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Re: It's official: Trump IS a dictator
Reply #45 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:13am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 8:42am:
Trump's lies and bullshit only work because his conservative, libertarian base wants to believe him.


This is true.

Who would have thought that after choosing to believe lie after lie, about the money Trump inherited, the bone spurs that magically exempted him from service, his father's birthplace, Obama's birthplace, the affairs, the hush money, the sham university, the fraudulent charity, his inflated net worth, his false heroics at Ground Zero, his business failures, his taxes, his refusal to release tax returns, the imaginary weather and crowd sizes at his inauguration, the "perfect" phone calls, the classified documents he stole, the insurrection he incited, and the election he lost, his supporters would finally hit a wall.

But here we are.

It turns out the Epstein files is a lie too far, the rot they can no longer ignore. Something so repugnant, so indefensible, that not even Trump's well-worn tactics of distraction and denial are enough.

And it's because Trump stirred the conspiracy pot over it.

And now he's panicking. Because for the first time, the lie isn't working. Accountability, long overdue, has finally entered the room, and it's not leaving quietly.
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Re: It's official: Trump IS a dictator
Reply #46 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:40am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:13am:
Posted by: ProudKangaroo        Posted on: Today at 9:13am
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MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 8:42am:
Trump's lies and bullshit only work because his conservative, libertarian base wants to believe him.



This is true.

Who would have thought that after choosing to believe lie after lie, about the money Trump inherited, the bone spurs that magically exempted him from service, his father's birthplace, Obama's birthplace, the affairs, the hush money, the sham university, the fraudulent charity, his inflated net worth, his false heroics at Ground Zero, his business failures, his taxes, his refusal to release tax returns, the imaginary weather and crowd sizes at his inauguration, the "perfect" phone calls, the classified documents he stole, the insurrection he incited, and the election he lost, his supporters would finally hit a wall.

But here we are.

Of course!

In the US, deep religio-cultural roots surface during political debates and elections, suppressing healthy scepticism.

It's similar to those Americans expressing their uber cultural-religiosity when they quickly forgive, then vehemently defend, an errant pastor's moral/legal failings... except for child abuse - hence Trump's current problem with Epstein.
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Reply #47 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:44am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:13am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 8:42am:
Trump's lies and bullshit only work because his conservative, libertarian base wants to believe him.


This is true.

Who would have thought that after choosing to believe lie after lie, about the money Trump inherited, the bone spurs that magically exempted him from service, his father's birthplace, Obama's birthplace, the affairs, the hush money, the sham university, the fraudulent charity, his inflated net worth, his false heroics at Ground Zero, his business failures, his taxes, his refusal to release tax returns, the imaginary weather and crowd sizes at his inauguration, the "perfect" phone calls, the classified documents he stole, the insurrection he incited, and the election he lost, his supporters would finally hit a wall.

But here we are.

It turns out the Epstein files is a lie too far, the rot they can no longer ignore. Something so repugnant, so indefensible, that not even Trump's well-worn tactics of distraction and denial are enough.

And it's because Trump stirred the conspiracy pot over it.

And now he's panicking. Because for the first time, the lie isn't working. Accountability, long overdue, has finally entered the room, and it's not leaving quietly.


Many, many talking heads on TV in the US - both Trump supporters and not - have all said the same thing: Trump's problems with the whole Epstein thing are entirely of his own making. That's the hilarious thing - he's come as close as you can to literally shooting yourself in the foot short of actually firing a gun into your own foot!
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Reply #48 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:47am
 
It's interesting that the most successful modern Democrat presidents - Johnson, Carter, Clinton and Obama have southern roots, or imitate them, in the case of Obama.
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Reply #49 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:51am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:13am:
It turns out the Epstein files is a lie too far, the rot they can no longer ignore. Something so repugnant, so indefensible, that not even Trump's well-worn tactics of distraction and denial are enough.

And it's because Trump stirred the conspiracy pot over it.

More like child abuse is something that his base's uber cultural relhiosity would not even forgive their pastor for... anything less, moral or legal... no problem.
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Reply #50 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 10:13am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:51am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:13am:
It turns out the Epstein files is a lie too far, the rot they can no longer ignore. Something so repugnant, so indefensible, that not even Trump's well-worn tactics of distraction and denial are enough.

And it's because Trump stirred the conspiracy pot over it.

More like child abuse is something that his base's uber cultural relhiosity would not even forgive their pastor for... anything less, moral or legal... no problem.


They forgive Republicans for everything: rape, abuse, corruption, you name it. There's no line they won't cross, no crime they won't excuse, so long as it serves the narrative.

But the Epstein files were meant to be their moment of vindication. The grand unmasking of the Deep State, the Hollywood elites, and every Democrat they've ever projected their own depravity onto. It was supposed to prove Pizzagate. It was the sacred pillar beneath the whole MAGA mythos, a leftover fantasy from the QAnon delusion that Trump was secretly saving children, even as his public and private behaviour reeked of predation.

They had to invent a messianic backstory for Trump because the real man, petty, cruel, sexist, racist, and steeped in filth, wasn't someone any sane person could idolise on merit. So they told themselves fairy tales. And now those lies are colliding with reality.

Trump can sack the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labour Statistics and replace them with a sycophant who'll falsify the numbers, but he can't suppress the collective craving among his cultists for Epstein file vindication. They were sure it would be the Democrats. They needed it to be the Democrats.

And now? The more we learn, the more we see why Trump wanted to bury it. Because the files are damning. Maybe even fatal.

Sure, most of the MAGA cult will still line up behind him as we see the most ardent of their brethren do here, just as they did for every other Republican predator. But there's a non-zero chance that what's in those files will finally puncture the illusion. Not because they care about the victims, mind you, but because their fantasy doesn't survive the realisation that their saviour was part of what they claimed to hate.

And the irony?

It's all his fault.

He fought to keep it buried. And by doing so, he made sure everyone started looking.

It's delicious.
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Re: It's official: Trump IS a dictator
Reply #51 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 10:37am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 8:27am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 7:59am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 6:56am:
You'd all reduce your risk of arthritis in the fingers if you realised that Trump is not a cause, he's a symptom.

He's the bastard child of a strange alliance between American conservative immigrant peoples and Appalachians.



You're overanalysing.

Trump is just a good marketer who understands how humans " buy".

They buy on emotions.

Skippy thinks they sit down and analyse the statistics from the department of trade.

People can't even watch a 15 second tok tok without fast forwarding it.

When there is zero focus. People just fall into the frame of whoever has the more stimulating  and self confident narrative.

The more the left react to Trump. The more he seems like the legitimate dude who everyone is reacting to.

We are hard-wired to accept whoever gets the most attention as the legitimate person of high status.

Trump would wither on the vine if the millions of Skippy's just ignored him.

Donald who ?
Never heard if him.

Truly they are the foundation on which his power is built.
His core investors.

Like a submissive in a co dependant relationship, they can't leave the abusive relationship because they are addicted on the emotions he provides.

Ask them to come up with a democrat leader and they too lose focus immediately and go back to the source of stimulation.

The very definition of TDS  Smiley


Your misstep here, Scoot, is thinking this is about Trump the individual, it's not. It's about his actions, past and present.

When you suggest that ignoring Trump will make him wither, that only makes sense if you're viewing everything through the lens of a cult of personality. And maybe that does describe you and all your "study" of him. But that's not what the rest of us are reacting to.

What people are focused on are his actions. You're asking us to ignore sexual abuse allegations, his long and well-documented history of sexualising children, his connections to Epstein, and most of all, his transparent attempts to cover it all up, especially when it comes to the Epstein files.

That aside, in the context of this thread alone, you're also asking us to overlook the damage of his economic policy, real, measurable damage. And instead of addressing it or defending it on merit, what did he do? He fired the messenger. That's not a historic footnote, that's a current, observable action.

He is deliberately lying to the public. He's making no attempt to hide it, because he assumes, rightly in yours and Frank's case, that there's a base willing to swallow the lie whole as long as it protects the image of Dear Leader.

You want us to ignore all of that, simply because it's inconvenient to your narrative. Because it doesn't paint Trump in a flattering light.

That's not principle. That's not analysis. That's blind devotion to a personality cult. And yet you accuse others of having TDS?

Scoot...

Come on, mate.

Even you don't believe the garbage you're shovelling here.



Nah.
I'm right on this one.

Your and the millions of leftie intellectuals who talk down to Trump supporters are making them double down.

Again you don't understand human behaviour.

If someone supported Trump for 4 years that's a lot of investment.

Could you change their minds.

Of course.

You would have to be very kind to them, very subtle, very nuanced, seek first to understand before asking to be understood.

This is all well understood.

But it's easier for the smug left to just criticise them relentlessly. Never a moment of collaboration.

And you seriously think THAT strategy will work?
You are dumber then them if you think that could ever improve the polarisation
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Reply #52 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 10:38am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 10:13am:
It's all his fault.

He fought to keep it buried. And by doing so, he made sure everyone started looking.

It's delicious.

JFK, MLK, RFK... All files in which the CIA are likely involved have been largely suppressed, regardless of what any US president orders.

Kennedy famously quipped that he joined the House of Representatives to use political power to get things done, but found there was no power there. So he became a US senator... no power there, either...  and when he became president... Power? Nada!
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Reply #53 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 10:42am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 10:37am:
Nah.
I'm right on this one.

Your and the millions of leftie intellectuals who talk down to Trump supporters are making them double down.

Again you don't understand human behaviour.

If someone supported Trump for 4 years that's a lot of investment.

Could you change their minds.

Of course.

You would have to be very kind to them, very subtle, very nuanced, seek first to understand before asking to be understood.

This is all well understood.

But it's easier for the smug left to just criticise them relentlessly. Never a moment of collaboration.

And you seriously think THAT strategy will work?
You are dumber then them if you think that could ever improve the polarisation

You're not aware of the religio-cultural instincts that drive the American psyche in politics.

Trump saw what others didn't: the potential for an alliance between conservative immigrant and Appalachian cultures.
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Reply #54 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 10:51am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 10:13am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:51am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 9:13am:
It turns out the Epstein files is a lie too far, the rot they can no longer ignore. Something so repugnant, so indefensible, that not even Trump's well-worn tactics of distraction and denial are enough.

And it's because Trump stirred the conspiracy pot over it.

More like child abuse is something that his base's uber cultural relhiosity would not even forgive their pastor for... anything less, moral or legal... no problem.


They forgive Republicans for everything: rape, abuse, corruption, you name it. There's no line they won't cross, no crime they won't excuse, so long as it serves the narrative.

But the Epstein files were meant to be their moment of vindication. The grand unmasking of the Deep State, the Hollywood elites, and every Democrat they've ever projected their own depravity onto. It was supposed to prove Pizzagate. It was the sacred pillar beneath the whole MAGA mythos, a leftover fantasy from the QAnon delusion that Trump was secretly saving children, even as his public and private behaviour reeked of predation.

They had to invent a messianic backstory for Trump because the real man, petty, cruel, sexist, racist, and steeped in filth, wasn't someone any sane person could idolise on merit. So they told themselves fairy tales. And now those lies are colliding with reality.

Trump can sack the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labour Statistics and replace them with a sycophant who'll falsify the numbers, but he can't suppress the collective craving among his cultists for Epstein file vindication. They were sure it would be the Democrats. They needed it to be the Democrats.

And now? The more we learn, the more we see why Trump wanted to bury it. Because the files are damning. Maybe even fatal.

Sure, most of the MAGA cult will still line up behind him as we see the most ardent of their brethren do here, just as they did for every other Republican predator. But there's a non-zero chance that what's in those files will finally puncture the illusion. Not because they care about the victims, mind you, but because their fantasy doesn't survive the realisation that their saviour was part of what they claimed to hate.

And the irony?

It's all his fault.

He fought to keep it buried. And by doing so, he made sure everyone started looking.

It's delicious.


It sure is   Smiley

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Re: It's official: Trump IS a dictator
Reply #55 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 10:56am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 6:51am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 6:12am:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 11:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:05pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:22pm:
Well, your are neither a good man nor do anything.



Stop defending paedophiles and rapists.


Anger is growing over a 'cover-up' after two Afghan asylum seekers were charged with the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl, but police advised authorities not to reveal their background.

Ahmad Mulakhil, 23, was charged with the rape of the girl in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. While a second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, was charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.


"Specialist care"? Is that specialists in being raped by blokes called Ahmad and Mohammad? Good to know they're not like every other specialist in the NHS, where it takes eight months to get an appointment.

But just in case you needed confirmation that the British constabulary have chosen a side, and it is not your side...

Sources told the Daily Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions'.

In my day, Warwickshire Constabulary were certainly Brit Wanker Coppers, but they did not regard their priority as lying to the public in support of the Official Narrative. So:

1) The Government imports sex predators every night of the week, and then settles them at public expense deep in the interior - overwhelmingly in England, but with enough in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to underline that there's nowhere to hide;

2) If you're the parents of a twelve-year-old girl seeking to assess the likelihood of your daughter being able to walk to the shop to buy a Mars Bar and return home in one piece, the corrupt and evil police will deny you the knowledge to make that assessment.

I mean, it's not as if this isn't happening every single day now:

Migrant 'tried to kidnap a little girl, 10,' while living in 3-star taxpayer-funded asylum hotel in leafy suburb

This would be one Edris Abdelrazig, formerly of Sudan, now of "leafy Manchester suburb Wilmslow". Aside from his eye for a comely ten-year-old, does Mr Abdelrazig have any other skill-set that would make his presence vital to a developed nation?

We all know the answer to that. So apply the Neil Oliver rule:

This is happening because the people in charge want it to happen


So you lose this argument and are now just posting random garbage? Huh


He'll be talking about Hamas in a thread about Job numbers and the impacts of Trump's disastrous economic policy soon.



Not at all.
You guys keep bringing up pedophilia but only if you can accuse and beat particular political enemies over the head with it. The industrial scale pedophilia by the protected demographics (Muslims, Aborigines) goes totally unremarkable by you lot because it has no Trump or Jew angle.

So I am merely pointing out your total lack of integrity and honesty.


The march by English women against migrants raping their daughters. Now prohibited by the Labour government for for fear of 'inflaming community tensions'.
No dictatorship or protection of pedos there, eh??
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Reply #56 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 11:04am
 

More deflection from Frannie   Roll Eyes


IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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JANE DOE, proceeding under a pseudonym,
Plaintiff,
v.
DONALD J. TRUMP and J EFFREY E. EPSTEIN,
Defendants.
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)
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Case No.:
JURY TRIAL DEMANDED
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COMPLAINT FOR RAPE, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, CRIMINAL SEXUAL ACTS,
SEXUAL ABUSE, FORCIBLE TOUCHING, ASSAULT, BATTERY, INTENTIONAL
AND RECKLESS INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS, DURESS, FALSE
IMPRISONMENT, AND DEFAMATION
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Reply #57 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 11:05am
 
Something people often overlook is the intensity of Appalachian conservatism and libertarianism, such that QAnon conspiracies are a manifestation of their preparedness to believe even the ridiculously unbelievable in their defence of them.

The crazier the conspiracy, the more kudos there is to be had in believing it in defence of their conservatism and libertarianism.

"Y'all can burn me for a fool, but yer won't get no ash".
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Reply #58 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 12:12pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 10:37am:
Nah.
I'm right on this one.

Your and the millions of leftie intellectuals who talk down to Trump supporters are making them double down.

Again you don't understand human behaviour.

If someone supported Trump for 4 years that's a lot of investment.

Could you change their minds.

Of course.

You would have to be very kind to them, very subtle, very nuanced, seek first to understand before asking to be understood.

This is all well understood.

But it's easier for the smug left to just criticise them relentlessly. Never a moment of collaboration.

And you seriously think THAT strategy will work?
You are dumber then them if you think that could ever improve the polarisation


You're not "right on this one," Scoot.

You're just repeating a marketing cliche and confusing it for psychological insight.

You're mistaking understanding how people buy a toaster with how they assess the moral and legal fitness of a national leader. That's not psychology, it's shallow salesmanship, and Trump has coasted on it because people like you keep mistaking manipulation for merit.

The "leftie intellectuals" you sneer at are criticising Trump's actions, not because it's politically convenient, but because those actions are corrupt, dangerous, and in many cases, criminal. You're trying to reframe that as emotional overreaction so you can ignore the content and pretend it's just about tone.

It's not.

This isn't about hurt feelings or bruised egos. It's about a man who has been credibly accused of sexual abuse, who attempted to overturn an election, and who is neck-deep in a cover-up involving one of the most prolific child traffickers in recent history.

And your response? "Be nicer to his fans."

Mate, are you serious?

This "we need to be gentle with them" routine only makes sense if you think they're emotionally fragile toddlers rather than adults responsible for their choices. You're trying to guilt-trip people into silence because your side can't defend its actions on the facts.

That's not "understanding psychology," that's emotional blackmail dressed up as strategy.

You want less polarisation? Great. That starts by not asking people to turn a blind eye to abuse, corruption, and authoritarianism just so Trump fans don't feel sad.

Call it what it is, Scoot, complicity.
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Reply #59 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 12:20pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 11:05am:
Something people often overlook is the intensity of Appalachian conservatism and libertarianism, such that QAnon conspiracies are a manifestation of their preparedness to believe even the ridiculously unbelievable in their defence of them.

The crazier the conspiracy, the more kudos there is to be had in believing it in defence of their conservatism and libertarianism.

"Y'all can burn me for a fool, but yer won't get no ash".

And it's hilarious watching Australians twist themselves into pretzels trying to empathise with Appalachians... Like there's Australian honour, and not ridicule, in becoming a Clampett from the Beverley Hillbillies.
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