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Re: It's official: Trump IS a dictator
Reply #30 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:25pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:24pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 4:56pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 2:03pm:
I thought the line was that DOGE didn't nake much difference.


To the budget bottom line, yeah.  But the cut jobs were very real.

Stop deflecting.

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In any case, getting rid of unnecessary bureocracies is a good thing.  And if YOU knew that the DOGE job losses were massive, why didn't the BLS? Hello?!?

As for job numbers, the monthly stats are NOT presented as  vague estimates based on polling and guesstimates that will be second and third guessed in due course.


The first round of reporting are presented as estimates and forecasts.  And they are as reported by companies.  Everyone knows how this works, the system has been in place since the 1910s.  Just because you didn't know doesn't mean everyone else is that dumb.

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People expect more solid and reliable infirmation. Markets, investors, pension funds etc are treating these reports as reliable, not as guesses based on guesses.


And that's what they get with the revisions.

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What use is a stats bureau if all it does is guesstimate and then revise, revise, revise in hindsight. No point in making monthly announcements of guessworks as if they were rigorous, scientific facts only to revise rhem wildly when actual facts come to hand.


We live in a speculative market, which underpins the entire capitalist structure.  I'm sure you don't want to transition to socialism or communism, right?

If you have a problem with how the BLS release the job stats, and has done so for more than 100 years now, to borrow from your logic, why didn't you say anything under Biden?



Well, call is the Bureau of Labor Speculations then.
But if you did you wouldn't need it at all. Everyone can speculate for free.


Just because you didn't know, or chose not to understand because facing reality would shatter your belief system, doesn't mean the rest of us are equally ignorant.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics operated consistently for over a century without issue. Then Trump bulldozes his way in, wrecks the system, and exactly as predicted, the data finally reflects the consequences of his policies. And suddenly, now, you've decided the BLS is the problem?

Instead of investigating the gas leak or evacuating the mine, you're out here throttling every canary because the grifter you built your identity around swore there wouldn't be any gas leaks under his watch.

Pity you're not trapped down there with the rest of the poor bastards who believed him.
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Re: It's official: Trump IS a dictator
Reply #31 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:29pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:58pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:24pm:
Well, call is the Bureau of Labor Speculations then



it's not the BLS speculating you dumbarse, it's the companies they poll

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



So it's just a polling bureau, speculating on 'What Can Be, Unburdened By What Has Been'?

Ta.

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Reply #32 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 7:03pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:05pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:22pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 2:55pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 2:05pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 1:44pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 11:31am:
During WWII, there were a number of attempts to assassinate Adolf Hitler, for obvious reasons. All failed, but by the end of the war, Allied leaders were actually grateful that those attempts had failed, for a surprising reason. Everyone who served Hitler, from his top Generals down were afraid of giving him news that he did not want to hear. It got to the point where he was making some decisions based on bad information, or information that his subordinates thought he would want to hear, not what he needed to hear, which is the truth. It lead to a serious of disastrous decisions that ultimately lead to Germany losing WWII.

Trump is falling into the same trap, and his administration officials are enabling this in their desire to bend over backwards in their attempts to please Trump and make him happy. This is bad for the country as a whole, because decisions will be made based on erroneous information and the people who will suffer the consequences will be ordinary Americans who can least afford it. While he may not have been happy with the data released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, at least it was honest and he could make or change his plans accordingly. But because he thinks it's "fake news" and politically biased, he won't listen to this advice and will make bad decisions that will only make the situation worse, not better. Again, ordinary average Americans will pay the price.


Yes, as Napoleon said, 'Never interrupt the enemy when he is making a mistake.'

On the other side of that same coin, a great deal of damage was done while not 'interrupting' Hitler.

That "God' of whom Trump speaks is indeed a mysterious bastard.



Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Hitler, Napoleon - next, Belzebub.


This is NOT the Russian fron in winter, fellas. Get a grip.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.




Well, your are neither a good man nor do anything.



Stop defending paedophiles and rapists.



And golf cheats. Don’t forget that he cheats at golf as well!!!!
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Reply #33 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 7:15pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 7:03pm:
And golf cheats. Don’t forget that he cheats at golf as well!!!!


Do you really care about people cheating at golf? Is it worth the emphatic "!!!!!".
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Reply #34 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 8:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:58pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:24pm:
Well, call is the Bureau of Labor Speculations then



it's not the BLS speculating you dumbarse, it's the companies they poll

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



So it's just a polling bureau, speculating on 'What Can Be, Unburdened By What Has Been'?

Ta.



Are you getting sick of looking stupid yet?  Cheesy
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Reply #35 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 11:44pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:05pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:22pm:
Well, your are neither a good man nor do anything.



Stop defending paedophiles and rapists.


Anger is growing over a 'cover-up' after two Afghan asylum seekers were charged with the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl, but police advised authorities not to reveal their background.

Ahmad Mulakhil, 23, was charged with the rape of the girl in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. While a second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, was charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.


"Specialist care"? Is that specialists in being raped by blokes called Ahmad and Mohammad? Good to know they're not like every other specialist in the NHS, where it takes eight months to get an appointment.

But just in case you needed confirmation that the British constabulary have chosen a side, and it is not your side...

Sources told the Daily Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions'.

In my day, Warwickshire Constabulary were certainly Brit Wanker Coppers, but they did not regard their priority as lying to the public in support of the Official Narrative. So:

1) The Government imports sex predators every night of the week, and then settles them at public expense deep in the interior - overwhelmingly in England, but with enough in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to underline that there's nowhere to hide;

2) If you're the parents of a twelve-year-old girl seeking to assess the likelihood of your daughter being able to walk to the shop to buy a Mars Bar and return home in one piece, the corrupt and evil police will deny you the knowledge to make that assessment.

I mean, it's not as if this isn't happening every single day now:

Migrant 'tried to kidnap a little girl, 10,' while living in 3-star taxpayer-funded asylum hotel in leafy suburb

This would be one Edris Abdelrazig, formerly of Sudan, now of "leafy Manchester suburb Wilmslow". Aside from his eye for a comely ten-year-old, does Mr Abdelrazig have any other skill-set that would make his presence vital to a developed nation?

We all know the answer to that. So apply the Neil Oliver rule:

This is happening because the people in charge want it to happen
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Reply #36 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 11:45pm
 
There are obvious reasons why this would be so. There's a lot of money to be made in selling out your country. If you make the mistake of taking the London media seriously, you will be aware of a chap called Morgan McSweeney, "Chief of Staff" to Keir Starmer and the sort of backroom boy the court eunuchs of the press get terribly excited by. He is said to have urged Sir Keir to get tough on these migrants. We now learn that Mr McSweeney's dad, an accountant in County Cork, set up a new company to help provide accommodation for "asylum seekers". In the two years since, he has received six million pounds from the government in Dublin. As Mrs Thatcher was wont to observe, enriching people for managing a problem ensures that you will never be rid of the problem.

Indeed, in fairness to McSweeney Senior, six mil is chump change. My pal Leilani Dowding introduces us to the first refugee billionaire:


The establishment won't stop illegals because there is too much money to be made from housing, feeding, furnishing and providing security for them . It's from our taxes so it's guaranteed money 💴 There's will be brown envelopes flying around... lots of people are getting very... pic.twitter.com/PGuO3mqBR9

— leilani dowding 🌸🚜 ☮️ (@LeilaniDowding) August 3, 2025
If it's making the PM's Chief of Staff's dad and all his pals very rich, why would you want to "fix" the "crisis"?

Here is rare footage from the early hours of Saturday morning, of bus loads of "asylum seekers" being discharged at the four-star Britannia Hotel:


🚨🇬🇧 Under the cover of darkness in the middle of the night - Bus loads of Migrants are ferried into a Luxury Hotel in Canary Wharf, London - one of the Capitals most expensive areas.

All Military Age Fighting Men who look like they're dressed in Uniform clutching an envelope.... pic.twitter.com/oRp2RrlmVh

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) August 2, 2025
The tweeter is not wrong. This is the most age- and sex-distorted "refugee" population cohort in history: not a single old person, not a single child, not a single woman; just young fit men from some of the most barbaric cultures on earth. By "barbaric", I mean countries where your ten-year-old's desirability as a Saturday-night date is perfectly normal, and doesn't require a corsage and a box of chocolates.

Needless to say, the Government lies about this as it does about everything else that matters. Cabinet ministers go on the BBC and assure viewers that the majority of small-boat arrivals are "children, babies and women" - and the incompetent hack who hosts the show fails to call him on it.
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Reply #37 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 11:51pm
 
The identical envelope each man is clutching informs the desk clerk that His Majesty's Government will be picking up all expenses for room and board, plus forty-nine quid per week pocket money. So why is the British state importing an invading army at taxpayer expense?

To reprise the obvious:

This is happening because the people in charge want it to happen.


The large protest of brave mothers outside of the Britannia hotel in Canary Wharf, are now sat on the pavement and road chanting "stop the boats!"

Absolutely agree with them. Government(s) have let women and girls down. pic.twitter.com/Tm9fxwbLKz

— Chris Rose (@ArchRose90) August 3, 2025
It is interesting to see the dominance of the English flag - the Red Cross of St George - in the above footage rather than the Union Jack. It's almost as if the citizenry are beginning to discern that Britishness is a supra-national identity that, applied as it currently is, has provided a useful cover for the English people's dispossession in their own homeland.

By the way, the video of the arriving "refugees" and the women's protest have been so effective that the dirty stinkin' rotten corrupt Metropolitan Police have invoked emergency powers to prevent it happening again.


Outrageous. The police have now allegedly enacted Section 42A, which bans protestors from demonstrating outside the Britannia hotel for 28 days.

Women peacefully protesting is causing "distress" to men in the hotel.

Antisemites and Islamists in London every week is fine. pic.twitter.com/7xVlRU1hNq

— Chris Rose (@ArchRose90) August 3, 2025
That makes a crude kind of sense. Back home in Krappistan, these uppity women would not be allowed to hold mass protests. So one can see why it would cause "distress" to Ahmed and Mohammed glancing out the window from their penthouse suite.

Presumably denying ladies the right to protest is now one of those "British values" the depraved political class is always boring on about.

One more time:

This is happening because the people in charge want it to happen.

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Reply #38 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 6:12am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 11:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:05pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:22pm:
Well, your are neither a good man nor do anything.



Stop defending paedophiles and rapists.


Anger is growing over a 'cover-up' after two Afghan asylum seekers were charged with the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl, but police advised authorities not to reveal their background.

Ahmad Mulakhil, 23, was charged with the rape of the girl in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. While a second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, was charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.


"Specialist care"? Is that specialists in being raped by blokes called Ahmad and Mohammad? Good to know they're not like every other specialist in the NHS, where it takes eight months to get an appointment.

But just in case you needed confirmation that the British constabulary have chosen a side, and it is not your side...

Sources told the Daily Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions'.

In my day, Warwickshire Constabulary were certainly Brit Wanker Coppers, but they did not regard their priority as lying to the public in support of the Official Narrative. So:

1) The Government imports sex predators every night of the week, and then settles them at public expense deep in the interior - overwhelmingly in England, but with enough in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to underline that there's nowhere to hide;

2) If you're the parents of a twelve-year-old girl seeking to assess the likelihood of your daughter being able to walk to the shop to buy a Mars Bar and return home in one piece, the corrupt and evil police will deny you the knowledge to make that assessment.

I mean, it's not as if this isn't happening every single day now:

Migrant 'tried to kidnap a little girl, 10,' while living in 3-star taxpayer-funded asylum hotel in leafy suburb

This would be one Edris Abdelrazig, formerly of Sudan, now of "leafy Manchester suburb Wilmslow". Aside from his eye for a comely ten-year-old, does Mr Abdelrazig have any other skill-set that would make his presence vital to a developed nation?

We all know the answer to that. So apply the Neil Oliver rule:

This is happening because the people in charge want it to happen


So you lose this argument and are now just posting random garbage? Huh
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Re: It's official: Trump IS a dictator
Reply #39 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 6:51am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 6:12am:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 11:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:05pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:22pm:
Well, your are neither a good man nor do anything.



Stop defending paedophiles and rapists.


Anger is growing over a 'cover-up' after two Afghan asylum seekers were charged with the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl, but police advised authorities not to reveal their background.

Ahmad Mulakhil, 23, was charged with the rape of the girl in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. While a second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, was charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.


"Specialist care"? Is that specialists in being raped by blokes called Ahmad and Mohammad? Good to know they're not like every other specialist in the NHS, where it takes eight months to get an appointment.

But just in case you needed confirmation that the British constabulary have chosen a side, and it is not your side...

Sources told the Daily Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions'.

In my day, Warwickshire Constabulary were certainly Brit Wanker Coppers, but they did not regard their priority as lying to the public in support of the Official Narrative. So:

1) The Government imports sex predators every night of the week, and then settles them at public expense deep in the interior - overwhelmingly in England, but with enough in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to underline that there's nowhere to hide;

2) If you're the parents of a twelve-year-old girl seeking to assess the likelihood of your daughter being able to walk to the shop to buy a Mars Bar and return home in one piece, the corrupt and evil police will deny you the knowledge to make that assessment.

I mean, it's not as if this isn't happening every single day now:

Migrant 'tried to kidnap a little girl, 10,' while living in 3-star taxpayer-funded asylum hotel in leafy suburb

This would be one Edris Abdelrazig, formerly of Sudan, now of "leafy Manchester suburb Wilmslow". Aside from his eye for a comely ten-year-old, does Mr Abdelrazig have any other skill-set that would make his presence vital to a developed nation?

We all know the answer to that. So apply the Neil Oliver rule:

This is happening because the people in charge want it to happen


So you lose this argument and are now just posting random garbage? Huh


He'll be talking about Hamas in a thread about Job numbers and the impacts of Trump's disastrous economic policy soon.
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Reply #40 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 6:56am
 
You'd all reduce your risk of arthritis in the fingers if you realised that Trump is not a cause, he's a symptom.

He's the bastard child of a strange alliance between American conservative immigrant peoples and Appalachians.

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Reply #41 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 7:00am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 6:25pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 5:24pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 4:56pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 2:03pm:
I thought the line was that DOGE didn't nake much difference.


To the budget bottom line, yeah.  But the cut jobs were very real.

Stop deflecting.

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In any case, getting rid of unnecessary bureocracies is a good thing.  And if YOU knew that the DOGE job losses were massive, why didn't the BLS? Hello?!?

As for job numbers, the monthly stats are NOT presented as  vague estimates based on polling and guesstimates that will be second and third guessed in due course.


The first round of reporting are presented as estimates and forecasts.  And they are as reported by companies.  Everyone knows how this works, the system has been in place since the 1910s.  Just because you didn't know doesn't mean everyone else is that dumb.

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People expect more solid and reliable infirmation. Markets, investors, pension funds etc are treating these reports as reliable, not as guesses based on guesses.


And that's what they get with the revisions.

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What use is a stats bureau if all it does is guesstimate and then revise, revise, revise in hindsight. No point in making monthly announcements of guessworks as if they were rigorous, scientific facts only to revise rhem wildly when actual facts come to hand.


We live in a speculative market, which underpins the entire capitalist structure.  I'm sure you don't want to transition to socialism or communism, right?

If you have a problem with how the BLS release the job stats, and has done so for more than 100 years now, to borrow from your logic, why didn't you say anything under Biden?



Well, call is the Bureau of Labor Speculations then.
But if you did you wouldn't need it at all. Everyone can speculate for free.


Just because you didn't know, or chose not to understand because facing reality would shatter your belief system, doesn't mean the rest of us are equally ignorant.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics operated consistently for over a century without issue. Then Trump bulldozes his way in, wrecks the system, and exactly as predicted, the data finally reflects the consequences of his policies. And suddenly, now, you've decided the BLS is the problem?

Instead of investigating the gas leak or evacuating the mine, you're out here throttling every canary because the grifter you built your identity around swore there wouldn't be any gas leaks under his watch.

Pity you're not trapped down there with the rest of the poor bastards who believed him.


So, another white flag Frank?

Oh, did I ruin your attempt to bury this with garbage posts by quoting it?

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Reply #42 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 7:59am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 6:56am:
You'd all reduce your risk of arthritis in the fingers if you realised that Trump is not a cause, he's a symptom.

He's the bastard child of a strange alliance between American conservative immigrant peoples and Appalachians.



You're overanalysing.

Trump is just a good marketer who understands how humans " buy".

They buy on emotions.

Skippy thinks they sit down and analyse the statistics from the department of trade.

People can't even watch a 15 second tok tok without fast forwarding it.

When there is zero focus. People just fall into the frame of whoever has the more stimulating  and self confident narrative.

The more the left react to Trump. The more he seems like the legitimate dude who everyone is reacting to.

We are hard-wired to accept whoever gets the most attention as the legitimate person of high status.

Trump would wither on the vine if the millions of Skippy's just ignored him.

Donald who ?
Never heard if him.

Truly they are the foundation on which his power is built.
His core investors.

Like a submissive in a co dependant relationship, they can't leave the abusive relationship because they are addicted on the emotions he provides.

Ask them to come up with a democrat leader and they too lose focus immediately and go back to the source of stimulation.

The very definition of TDS  Smiley

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Reply #43 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 8:27am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 7:59am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 6:56am:
You'd all reduce your risk of arthritis in the fingers if you realised that Trump is not a cause, he's a symptom.

He's the bastard child of a strange alliance between American conservative immigrant peoples and Appalachians.



You're overanalysing.

Trump is just a good marketer who understands how humans " buy".

They buy on emotions.

Skippy thinks they sit down and analyse the statistics from the department of trade.

People can't even watch a 15 second tok tok without fast forwarding it.

When there is zero focus. People just fall into the frame of whoever has the more stimulating  and self confident narrative.

The more the left react to Trump. The more he seems like the legitimate dude who everyone is reacting to.

We are hard-wired to accept whoever gets the most attention as the legitimate person of high status.

Trump would wither on the vine if the millions of Skippy's just ignored him.

Donald who ?
Never heard if him.

Truly they are the foundation on which his power is built.
His core investors.

Like a submissive in a co dependant relationship, they can't leave the abusive relationship because they are addicted on the emotions he provides.

Ask them to come up with a democrat leader and they too lose focus immediately and go back to the source of stimulation.

The very definition of TDS  Smiley


Your misstep here, Scoot, is thinking this is about Trump the individual, it's not. It's about his actions, past and present.

When you suggest that ignoring Trump will make him wither, that only makes sense if you're viewing everything through the lens of a cult of personality. And maybe that does describe you and all your "study" of him. But that's not what the rest of us are reacting to.

What people are focused on are his actions. You're asking us to ignore sexual abuse allegations, his long and well-documented history of sexualising children, his connections to Epstein, and most of all, his transparent attempts to cover it all up, especially when it comes to the Epstein files.

That aside, in the context of this thread alone, you're also asking us to overlook the damage of his economic policy, real, measurable damage. And instead of addressing it or defending it on merit, what did he do? He fired the messenger. That's not a historic footnote, that's a current, observable action.

He is deliberately lying to the public. He's making no attempt to hide it, because he assumes, rightly in yours and Frank's case, that there's a base willing to swallow the lie whole as long as it protects the image of Dear Leader.

You want us to ignore all of that, simply because it's inconvenient to your narrative. Because it doesn't paint Trump in a flattering light.

That's not principle. That's not analysis. That's blind devotion to a personality cult. And yet you accuse others of having TDS?

Scoot...

Come on, mate.

Even you don't believe the garbage you're shovelling here.
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Reply #44 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 8:42am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 7:59am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 6:56am:
You'd all reduce your risk of arthritis in the fingers if you realised that Trump is not a cause, he's a symptom.

He's the bastard child of a strange alliance between American conservative immigrant peoples and Appalachians.



You're overanalysing.


You're under-analysing.

American culture is predicated on four core religio-social cultures that drive American politics and culture:

Traditional northeast/New England Puritanical culture.

Traditional Southeast/Southern culture.

Traditional Appalachian culture.

Collective immigrant cultures.

Trump has captured the minds of conservative immigrant cultures and traditional Appalachian culture.

Trump's lies and bullshit only work because his conservative, libertarian base wants to believe him.

His lies and bullshit have the least traction in the US northeastern and western lower 48 states.
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