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Aug 2nd, 2025 at 12:31pm
 
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Reply #1 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 12:59pm
 
Nice photos, very aboriginal looking people and the name Mikalya is so appropriate.

Learning languages and keeping obscure ones alive is a noble occupation and, best of all, requires no Government funding.
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Reply #2 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 5:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 12:31pm:


Absolute garbage that any Aboriginal language has been suppressed for the last 60 years.

What has happened is that languages have been lost/become extinct for a myriad of reasons.

The main one being that if Aboriginals were to progress in the modern world they had to learn to speak English.

All old dropkicks like Bwyan want is for Aboriginal people to remain in a 100 year time warp to remain his ideal of a museum piece of the noble savage.

There was no such thing as "silenced First nations".

Speaking tribal languages was discouraged in an attempt to bring Aboriginal people into the modern world.

Being able to speak a lost language - or more so a reinvented language for feel good reasons by white looking box ticking Aboriginals ... will do nothing for future aspirations of improvement in education or employment.
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Reply #3 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 11:29am
 
Gnads wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 5:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 12:31pm:


Absolute garbage that any Aboriginal language has been suppressed for the last 60 years.

What has happened is that languages have been lost/become extinct for a myriad of reasons.

The main one being that if Aboriginals were to progress in the modern world they had to learn to speak English.

All old dropkicks like Bwyan want is for Aboriginal people to remain in a 100 year time warp to remain his ideal of a museum piece of the noble savage.

There was no such thing as "silenced First nations".

Speaking tribal languages was discouraged in an attempt to bring Aboriginal people into the modern world.

Being able to speak a lost language - or more so a reinvented language for feel good reasons by white looking box ticking Aboriginals ... will do nothing for future aspirations of improvement in education or employment. 

Learning any language, lost or obscure, is a useful educational tool and being bilingual is thus to be encouraged, but as the cost is so minimal there should be no Government funding.
One can also have fun, my wife is fluent in Arabic, having been a private households’ nurse in Bahrain,, we both speak Hindi dialects, French and Irish.
We sometimes go to the shopping centre in Bankstown [NSW] and sit on the same bench and she listens in to Muslims’ conversations and relays their remarks about non-muslims to me in French or Hindi and I reply in Irish. As cover we use our phones so that we can speak softly.
Languages can be useful.
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Reply #4 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 11:34am
 
Gnads wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 5:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 12:31pm:


Absolute garbage that any Aboriginal language has been suppressed for the last 60 years.

What has happened is that languages have been lost/become extinct for a myriad of reasons.

The main one being that if Aboriginals were to progress in the modern world they had to learn to speak English.

All old dropkicks like Bwyan want is for Aboriginal people to remain in a 100 year time warp to remain his ideal of a museum piece of the noble savage.

There was no such thing as "silenced First nations".

Speaking tribal languages was discouraged in an attempt to bring Aboriginal people into the modern world.

Being able to speak a lost language - or more so a reinvented language for feel good reasons by white looking box ticking Aboriginals ... will do nothing for future aspirations of improvement in education or employment. 


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Reply #5 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:29pm
 
Yes - I can see everyone lining up to suppress Abo languages...  FFS.. get a life.
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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:46pm
 
Despite what some may believe, Indigenous languages were suppressed in the various Christian missions, Government homes and so on, to the point that many Indigenous people lost their languages.  They were forbidden to speak in anything other than English and a failure to do so resulted in punishment, beatings, starvation, etc.  This evidence in the numerous accounts by members of the Stolen Generations in the various inquiries into the matter.  Time you lot read them, educated yourselves as to the facts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:51pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:46pm:
Despite what some may believe, Indigenous languages were suppressed in the various Christian missions, Government homes and so on, to the point that many Indigenous people lost their languages.  They were forbidden to speak in anything other than English and a failure to do so resulted in punishment, beatings, starvation, etc.  This evident in the numerous accounts by members of the Stolen Generations in the various inquiries into the matter.  Time you lot read them, educated yourselves as to the facts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


When you go to school, you speak English.
Even today. All the diverse, vibrant kiddies in schools today are expected to speak only English.

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Reply #8 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:41pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:46pm:
Despite what some may believe, Indigenous languages were suppressed in the various Christian missions, Government homes and so on, to the point that many Indigenous people lost their languages.  They were forbidden to speak in anything other than English and a failure to do so resulted in punishment, beatings, starvation, etc.  This evident in the numerous accounts by members of the Stolen Generations in the various inquiries into the matter.  Time you lot read them, educated yourselves as to the facts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Agree, and not only Aboriginal children, two of my first cousins were caned for speaking Irish at school, their father, dad’s brother, narrowly escaped prosecution for taking the teacher’s cane and giving him a taste of his own medicine.
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Reply #9 - Aug 3rd, 2025 at 2:53pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 1:46pm:
Despite what some may believe, Indigenous languages were suppressed in the various Christian missions, Government homes and so on, to the point that many Indigenous people lost their languages.  They were forbidden to speak in anything other than English and a failure to do so resulted in punishment, beatings, starvation, etc.  This evident in the numerous accounts by members of the Stolen Generations in the various inquiries into the matter.  Time you lot read them, educated yourselves as to the facts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


When you go to school, you speak English.
Even today. All the diverse, vibrant kiddies in schools today are expected to speak only English.


This was particularly so in the 1960s, teachers in NSW State schools were not allowed to have such other children who were versed in a newcomers language to translate for them.
My first wife was a school teacher at the time and daily disregarded such a stupid education disabling instruction, fortunately the education system has progressed since then, at least in that particular.
Certainty children are expected to use English but today they are helped more.
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Reply #10 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 8:56pm
 
Reawakening Aboriginal linguistic vibrancy



Not since the advent of gravy trains has there been a bigger gravy train than appointment to a taxpayer-funded board, membership of which requires little by way of contribution aside from showing up to the monthly meetings.

It is a laugh, one of the greatest giggles in the corporate spheres of government. Money for nothing, cheques for free.

But if there was an unstated rule of this racket it’s simply that appointees avoid any vulgar behaviour that could bring their organisation into disrepute. Such as recording oneself angrily swearing into the lens of a phone camera, as Indigenous artist Fred Leone has done, and telling the Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Foreign Minister Penny Wong they are “c..ts” and can both go and “get f…ed”.

For practically anyone, this behaviour would fall within the bounds of immediate dismissal. Not for Leone, an Aboriginal songman. He’s keeping his ministerially-appointed job on the Music Australia Council until the term expires at the end of the month. Which is surprising, given his crude remarks.

Leone’s upset over the PM’s statements on the recognition of a Palestinian state, which is odd because Albanese is very warm to the proposal, as is Wong. It’s just that in a rare flight of sanity on this topic, the government has actually made that support conditional on the release of Israeli hostages and Hamas laying down its arms. The gall of them.

In posts published online over the weekend, Leone took issue with this, calling Albanese a “money-grabbing dog” who “bitched out like a dingo with its tale (sic) between its legs”.

He called Wong a “f%cktard (sic)” and then clarified by saying that both she and the PM were “a pair of dogs”.

Bad already, Leone went further, filming himself calling Albanese a “weak-as-piss c..t” and warning him not to approach should they see each other at an airport because he, Leone, would “f...ing rip you in front of everyone”, which sounded a bit like a physical threat.

Leone then levelled his anger at Tony Burke, the minister who appointed him to the Music Australia Council, saying: “F..k that weak-ass minister for immigration, Tony Burke, you can all go get f...ed.”

Membership of the Music Australia Council, an appendage of Creative Australia chaired by its CEO, Adrian Collette, attracts a modest salary of $24,540 per year, although it’s not the money that’s important here.

Burke had the opportunity to sack Leone more than a year ago when the musician vowed to boycott Jewish and pro-Israel artists in the music industry. Then as now, he didn’t take it.

“Hands up all the proud zionists in the Australian Music Industry! Wave ya flag instead of hiding behind ya money and power. We are boycotting you! Across the board, you don’t get to thrive here any more,” said Leone, who later removed the post and issued a statement vowing to stop expressing personal opinions while on the board of a government organisation, presumably so Burke wouldn’t sack him.

We put it to Burke that self-publishing a video calling the prime minister a “c..t” and being told himself to “get f…ed” might trip a boundary line and warrant dismissal, amid a recurring pattern of similarly revolting behaviour. Burke’s response was short. “His (Leone’s) language escalated as soon as he was told that he wasn’t going to be reappointed to Music Australia,” as though gentle non-reappointment is indicative of leadership and consequence on this issue.

But it’s not, and it feels like affirmative action at work because anyone else would have been fired on the spot. A set of rules for Leone, and a set of rules for everyone else.




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Reply #11 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 9:52pm
 
Well - YOU go to Langslamobad and expect them all to speak YOUR language.... see how far you get....

FFS - English is the Lingua Franca of the world - airline pilots are required to use it... it's a matter of respect and mutual understanding and to try to avoid any misunderstandings...

That is why SOME of us - but not the sum of us - work so hard to prevent language being perverted....

e.g. Men and Women Boys and Girls are not 'males' and 'females' - they are not laboratory specimens in some mad social scientist's laboratory - they are human individuals and entitled to respect as such.... and to be treated as such.... ad I would extend the same to all animals - who despite being different from humans, have their own innate intelligence and ways ...

.... fireside chat ........ traveling home from picking up some petrol for the generator to keep us going while TOG is recuperating from massive bowel surgery with poer out for more than 2.5 days .....  I was behind four other cars... coming up over a small crest I saw a run over wood duck in the middle of the road - apparently one of the cars had run over it .. they cross the road in a 'flock' ... thing was - the 'flock' were all standing on the side of the road when I arrived and looking back at their smashed compatriot and clearly regretted that it had happened ... they KNEW ... and FELT... what had happened to one of theirs....

As human beings I would hope that we could treat one another with the same degree of 'respect'... and let me be clear here.... there are far too many people who delight in harming others or who have no real regard for the harm they cause as long as they achieve their result .....  they are called psychopaths.... and they can breed ..... and they are found everywhere.... and many politicians and their 'ruling class' mates are a perfect example...

I was re-reading - after a span of years, my first book - a partial auto-bio... and I was amazed at two things - one was myself and what I am... the other was how low people can be... and then they get lower ....

Do YOU know what the difference between a SOO and an SFO is?


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Reply #12 - Aug 4th, 2025 at 11:12pm
 
When will the Abos stop raping and murdering babies?
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Boris wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 11:12pm:
When will the Abos stop raping and murdering babies?


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Reply #14 - Aug 5th, 2025 at 12:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2025 at 12:45pm:
Boris wrote on Aug 4th, 2025 at 11:12pm:
When will the Abos stop raping and murdering babies?


Twilight Zone.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Moron Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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