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Trump steps WAY over the line in Brazil
Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:58pm
 
Trump has steps WAY over the line in Brazil, sanctioning a Judge overseeing a criminal case against former President Bolsonaro, who made an attempted coup when he lost his election for the Presidency. He is also imposing 50% tariffs on the country because of the Court case against Bolsonaro, the former strongman of Brazil. We are familiar with Trump going over the line in many areas, but to interfere in the justice system of another country is indefensible.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crlzn72eg25o
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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:59pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 12:58pm:
Trump has steped WAY over the line in Brazil, sanctioning a Judge overseeing a criminal case against former President Bolsonaro, who made an attempted coup when he lost his election for the Presidency. He is also imposing 50% tariffs on the country because of the Court case against Bolsonaro, the former strongman of Brazil. We are familiar with Trump going over the line in many areas, but to interfere in the justice system of another country is indefensible.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crlzn72eg25o


Indefensible, but in no way surprising.

This is just the beginning.

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Reply #2 - Aug 1st, 2025 at 3:44pm
 
Section 1.  National Emergency.  As President of the United States, my highest duty is protecting the national security, foreign policy, and economy of this country.  Recent policies, practices, and actions of the Government of Brazil threaten the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States.  Members of the Government of Brazil have taken actions that interfere with the economy of the United States, infringe the free expression rights of United States persons, violate human rights, and undermine the interest the United States has in protecting its citizens and companies.  Members of the Government of Brazil are also politically persecuting a former President of Brazil, which is contributing to the deliberate breakdown in the rule of law in Brazil, to politically motivated intimidation in that country, and to human rights abuses.

Recently, members of the Government of Brazil have taken unprecedented actions that harm and are a threat to the economy of the United States, conflict with and threaten the policy of the United States to promote free speech and free and fair elections at home and abroad, and violate fundamental human rights.  Indeed, certain Brazilian officials have issued orders to compel United States online platforms to censor the accounts or content of United States persons, where such accounts or content are protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution within the United States; block the ability of United States persons to raise money on their platforms; change their content moderation policies, enforcement practices, or algorithms in ways that may result in the censorship of the content and accounts of United States persons; and provide the user data of accounts belonging to United States persons, facilitating the targeting of political critics in the United States.

For example, Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes has abused his judicial authority to target political opponents, shield corrupt allies, and suppress dissent, often in coordination with other Brazilian officials.  Justice de Moraes has authorized politically motivated police raids, arrests, and bank account freezes.  He has also authorized the confiscation of passports, jailed individuals without trial for social media posts, opened unprecedented criminal investigations, including into United States citizens for their constitutionally protected speech in the United States, and issued secret orders to United States social media companies to censor thousands of posts and de-platform dozens of political critics, including United States persons, for lawful speech on United States soil.  When United States and United States-headquartered companies have refused to comply with his unlawful censorship demands, Justice de Moraes has imposed substantial fines on United States and United States-headquartered companies, ordered the suspension of United States and United States-headquartered companies in Brazil, and threatened United States and United States-headquartered company executives with criminal prosecution.  In fact, Justice de Moraes is currently overseeing the Government of Brazil’s criminal prosecution of a United States resident for speech he made on United States soil.

These judicial actions, taken under the pretext of combatting “disinformation,” “fake news,” or “anti-democratic” or “hateful” content, endanger the economy of the United States by tyrannically and arbitrarily coercing United States companies to censor political speech, turn over sensitive United States user data, or change their content moderation policies on pain of extraordinary fines, criminal prosecution, asset freezes, or complete exclusion from the Brazilian market.  These actions also chill and limit expression in the United States, violate human rights, and undermine the interest that the United States has in protecting its citizens and companies at home and abroad.

Brazilian officials are also persecuting former President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro.  The Government of Brazil has unjustly charged Bolsonaro with multiple crimes related to Bolsonaro’s 2022 runoff election, and the Supreme Court of Brazil has misguidedly ruled that Bolsonaro must stand trial for these unjustified criminal charges.  Political persecution, through drummed up prosecutions, threatens the orderly development of Brazil’s political, administrative, and economic institutions, including undermining the ability of Brazil to hold a free and fair election of the presidency in 2026.  The Government of Brazil’s treatment of former President Bolsonaro also contributes to the deliberate breakdown in the rule of law in Brazil, to politically motivated intimidation in that country, and to human rights abuses.

I find that the unprecedented actions taken by the Government of Brazil have violated the free expression rights of United States persons, interfered with the economy of the United States by coercing United States and United States-headquartered companies to censor United States persons for speech protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution on pain of extraordinary fines, criminal prosecution, asset freezes, or complete exclusion from the Brazilian market, subverted the interest of the United States in protecting its citizens and companies, undermined the rule of law in Brazil, and jeopardized the orderly development of Brazil’s political, administrative, and economic institutions. 
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Reply #3 - Aug 1st, 2025 at 3:46pm
 
The policies, practices, and actions of the Government of Brazil are repugnant to the moral and political values of democratic and free societies and conflict with the policy of the United States to promote democratic governments throughout the world, the principle of free expression and free and fair elections, the rule of law, and respect for human rights.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that the scope and gravity of the recent policies, practices, and actions of the Government of Brazil constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States and hereby declare a national emergency with respect to that threat.

To deal with the national emergency declared in this order, I determine that it is necessary and appropriate to impose an additional ad valorem duty rate of 40 percent on certain products of Brazil, as detailed below.  In my judgment, this action is necessary and appropriate to deal with the national emergency declared in this order.  I am taking the action in this order only for the purpose of addressing the national emergency declared in this order and not for any other purpose.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/addressing-threats-to-the-us/
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Reply #4 - Aug 1st, 2025 at 4:10pm
 
What a big, steaming pile of stinking B.S.!!!
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Reply #5 - Aug 1st, 2025 at 5:01pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 4:10pm:
What a big, steaming pile of stinking B.S.!!!

For example, Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes has abused his judicial authority to target political opponents, shield corrupt allies, and suppress dissent, often in coordination with other Brazilian officials.  Justice de Moraes has authorized politically motivated police raids, arrests, and bank account freezes.  He has also authorized the confiscation of passports, jailed individuals without trial for social media posts, opened unprecedented criminal investigations, including into United States citizens for their constitutionally protected speech in the United States, and issued secret orders to United States social media companies to censor thousands of posts and de-platform dozens of political critics, including United States persons, for lawful speech on United States soil.  When United States and United States-headquartered companies have refused to comply with his unlawful censorship demands, Justice de Moraes has imposed substantial fines on United States and United States-headquartered companies, ordered the suspension of United States and United States-headquartered companies in Brazil, and threatened United States and United States-headquartered company executives with criminal prosecution.  In fact, Justice de Moraes is currently overseeing the Government of Brazil’s criminal prosecution of a United States resident for speech he made on United States soil.

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Reply #6 - Aug 1st, 2025 at 6:55pm
 
Frank is exactly the type of idiot Trump was referring to when he said that he could shoot someone in cold blood in front of him, and he'd still support him

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Reply #7 - Aug 1st, 2025 at 7:00pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 6:55pm:
Frank is exactly the type of idiot Trump was referring to when he said that he could shoot someone in cold blood in front of him, and he'd still support him


Absolutely.

There's nothing Trump can do that crosses the line for Frank.

Rape?  He's fine with that.

Fraud?  No problem.

Stealing from kids' cancer charities?  All good.

And now we have him defending Trump over the Epstein files.

Disturbing, to say the least.
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Reply #8 - Aug 1st, 2025 at 7:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 7:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 6:55pm:
Frank is exactly the type of idiot Trump was referring to when he said that he could shoot someone in cold blood in front of him, and he'd still support him


Absolutely.

There's nothing Trump can do that crosses the line for Frank.

Rape?  He's fine with that.

Fraud?  No problem.

Stealing from kids' cancer charities?  All good.

And now we have him defending Trump over the Epstein files.

Disturbing, to say the least.


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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:23am
 
Jolly good. We should follow Brazil's lead and ban Twitter too.

Like Brazil, we import more from the US than export. Why would it truly matter if we copped a few extra US tariffs?

We should make friends with Chi-na, and quick. Albo and Penny are betting on DL lasting four years. All good, but if this goes on any longer, the world's going to need an exit strategy.

Brazil is showing us all the way.
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Reply #10 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:33am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 7:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 6:55pm:
Frank is exactly the type of idiot Trump was referring to when he said that he could shoot someone in cold blood in front of him, and he'd still support him


Absolutely.

There's nothing Trump can do that crosses the line for Frank.

Rape?  He's fine with that.

Fraud?  No problem.

Stealing from kids' cancer charities?  All good.

And now we have him defending Trump over the Epstein files.

Disturbing, to say the least.


That's not entirely fair, Frank may agree that if Trump is in the Epstein files and he's proven to have sexually abused children that he'll want Trump to face justice.
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Reply #11 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:44am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:33am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 7:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 1st, 2025 at 6:55pm:
Frank is exactly the type of idiot Trump was referring to when he said that he could shoot someone in cold blood in front of him, and he'd still support him


Absolutely.

There's nothing Trump can do that crosses the line for Frank.

Rape?  He's fine with that.

Fraud?  No problem.

Stealing from kids' cancer charities?  All good.

And now we have him defending Trump over the Epstein files.

Disturbing, to say the least.


That's not entirely fair, Frank may agree that if Trump is in the Epstein files and he's proven to have sexually abused children that he'll want Trump to face justice.


That's not very fair, Sad. Are you seriously suggesting Frank should accept his DL facing justice?

That's for mincing teapots and despicable creeps.

I mean, come come, would you be okay with a leftard being held to account?

SO UNFAIR !!!
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Reply #12 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:56am
 
Forget that Trump is involved for a minute. Are there genuine problems in Brazil?
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Reply #13 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:02am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:56am:
Forget that Trump is involved for a minute. Are there genuine problems in Brazil?


Bolsonaro refused to accept the results of the election in which he lost (sound familiar?), and he and his supporters attempted to remove the elected government in a coup, which failed. Sure, his supporters are saying he wasn't involved, just as MAGA say Trump had no role in the J6 insurrection. That's why Bolsonaro is before the Court in Brazil, to give him the opportunity to defend himself before a Judge. If he's innocent, that will surely come through. Trump inserting himself into the judicial process of a sovereign nation is beyond appalling, but hardly surprising when it comes to Trump.
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Reply #14 - Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:12am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 8:02am:
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2025 at 7:56am:
Forget that Trump is involved for a minute. Are there genuine problems in Brazil?


Bolsonaro refused to accept the results of the election in which he lost (sound familiar?), and he and his supporters attempted to remove the elected government in a coup, which failed. Sure, his supporters are saying he wasn't involved, just as MAGA say Trump had no role in the J6 insurrection. That's why Bolsonaro is before the Court in Brazil, to give him the opportunity to defend himself before a Judge. If he's innocent, that will surely come through. Trump inserting himself into the judicial process of a sovereign nation is beyond appalling, but hardly surprising when it comes to Trump.


And it would be the same if it were any other external world leader interfering, not just Trump.

I can't imagine Americans would be ok if the roles were reversed.
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