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Reply #60 - Jul 13th, 2025 at 9:22am
 
Carl D wrote on Jul 13th, 2025 at 9:15am:
Now the focus seems to be on whether one of the pilots turned the fuel switches off or if a computer or electrical 'glitch' caused the fuel to shut off despite the switches being in the on position.

The plot thickens.

And, a few pilots have commented on the lack of video cameras recording what goes on in the cockpits of aircraft... it would make it a lot easier to see who operated which switch or control, etc.

Should have been mandated a long time ago.


Certainly is mysterious.

The cockpit voice recording captures one pilot asking the other why he "did the cut-off", to which the person replies that he didn't. The recording doesn't clarify who said what. At the time of take-off, the co-pilot was flying the aircraft while the captain was monitoring.
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Reply #61 - Jul 13th, 2025 at 10:11am
 
I’d actually feel safer if they were to use auto pilot for the whole flight including tax off and landing.
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Reply #62 - Jul 13th, 2025 at 11:12am
 
Oh dear...

Chilling Air India warning - six years before crash that killed 241 passengers on board

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Air India was warned about wrongly installed fuel switches more than six years before a crash that killed 260 people, it was revealed yesterday.

Investigators are probing how two fuel switches in the cockpit of Air India Flight 171 were turned off shortly after take off, resulting in a catastrophic loss of power and the aircraft crashing to the ground.

The switches' 'locking feature' meant pilots had to lift them up before changing their position.

But a preliminary report by India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (IAAB) said yesterday that in December 2018 the US air regulator Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) warned airlines that fuel switches had been installed in some Boeing 737s 'with the locking feature disengaged'.

'If the locking feature is disengaged, the switch can be moved between the two positions without lifting the switch during transition, and the switch would be exposed to the potential of inadvertent operation,' the FAA warned in a Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin.

'Inadvertent operation of the switch could result in an unintended consequence, such as an in-flight engine shutdown.'


The article says Boeing 737's and not 787's. Don't know if that's a mistake or not?

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It recommended airlines inspect the switches, including 'whether the fuel control switch can be moved between the two positions without lifting up the switch'.

Air India has suggested such inspections were not carried out because the FAA's bulletin was 'advisory and not mandatory'.


And that decision will no doubt come back to bite Air India, the FAA and Boeing in the @ss if it turns out that this was wholly or even partially responsible for the disaster.
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Reply #63 - Jul 13th, 2025 at 12:06pm
 
I remember driving my Cortina (first car) and it had a Kill Switch over and under on the passenger side. Driving on a main road of traffic.
My Cor... Cor..  Cortina suddenly conked out. For 20 mins my mate & I couldn't work out the problem and my mate was in trouble with his partner for being late. Eventually it clicked. His knee had flicked the kill switch.
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Reply #64 - Jul 14th, 2025 at 12:20pm
 
Wow.

Air India pilots' medical records are being examined over mental health fears after report reveals fuel switches 'were turned off in cockpit'

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Investigations into the Air India plane crash are looking into the pilots' medical records as it's claimed one of them had depression and mental health issues.

Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, an experienced pilot with more than 8,200 hours in the cockpit, was piloting the Boeing 787 Dreamliner when it plummeted into a residential area, called Meghani Nagar, killing 241 people on board and claiming 19 more lives of those on the ground.

Seconds after taking off on June 12, two fuel switches in the cockpit of Air India Flight 171 were turned off shortly after take off, resulting in a catastrophic loss of power and the aircraft crashing to the ground.

The switches' 'locking feature' meant pilots had to lift them up before changing their position, they are not simple push buttons which can be accidentally turned off.


The captain in the left hand seat (who was monitoring the takeoff) would be the more likely of the two to turn the switches off (if indeed that was what happened), the co-pilot was flying the plane and he would have been too preoccupied with the take off to do it (the switches are under the thrust levers in between the two pilots).

And, assuming both pilots were right handed it would have been easier for the captain to operate the switches with his right hand than for the co-pilot to do it with his left (especially when he was busy flying the plane during takeoff).
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