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Reply #15 - Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:37pm
 

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1...


The United Kingdom’s King Charles said he and Queen Camilla are
“desperately shocked” by the “terrible events” in Ahmedabad.

“Our special prayers and deepest possible sympathy are with the families and friends
of all those affected by this appallingly tragic incident across so many nations,
as they await news of their loved ones,” the King said
in a message posted to the Royal Family’s official X account.
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Reply #16 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 12:37am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm:
Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed.



Phew! At least none of them were black and en route to Chicago. eh, Blooby, you f**king racist piece of trash. 
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Reply #17 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 7:31am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm:
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1...

7 min ago

Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed.


There's one survivor - a British man.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, who was in seat 11A of the flight, said the aircraft crashed almost immediately after takeoff. It is believed his brother was on the same flight.

“Thirty seconds after takeoff there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh told the Hindustan Times from a general ward in the civil hospital in Asarwa, Ahmedabad.
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Reply #18 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 8:05am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 7:31am:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm:
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1...

7 min ago

Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed.


There's one survivor - a British man.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, who was in seat 11A of the flight, said the aircraft crashed almost immediately after takeoff. It is believed his brother was on the same flight.

“Thirty seconds after takeoff there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh told the Hindustan Times from a general ward in the civil hospital in Asarwa, Ahmedabad.



It's a miracle that he survived.
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Reply #19 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 8:08am
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 7:32pm:


Looks like you may be right Gordo
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Reply #20 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 8:31am
 
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Reply #21 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 8:58am
 
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Reply #22 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 9:06am
 
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Reply #23 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 9:29am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 7:31am:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm:
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1...

7 min ago

Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed.


There's one survivor - a British man.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, who was in seat 11A of the flight, said the aircraft crashed almost immediately after takeoff. It is believed his brother was on the same flight.

“Thirty seconds after takeoff there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh told the Hindustan Times from a general ward in the civil hospital in Asarwa, Ahmedabad.


That was astounding! Lucky seat 11A (a window seat at that). He may have survived but did he sustain any injuries/burns?
The footage shows the plane coming in to land then crashed…yet it says it happened after take off?
Did the plane do a u-turn after taking off to come back to land?

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Reply #24 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 9:38am
 
Sophia wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 9:29am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 7:31am:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm:
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1...

7 min ago

Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed.


There's one survivor - a British man.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, who was in seat 11A of the flight, said the aircraft crashed almost immediately after takeoff. It is believed his brother was on the same flight.

“Thirty seconds after takeoff there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh told the Hindustan Times from a general ward in the civil hospital in Asarwa, Ahmedabad.


That was astounding! Lucky seat 11A (a window seat at that). He may have survived but did he sustain any injuries/burns?
The footage shows the plane coming in to land then crashed…yet it says it happened after take off?
Did the plane do a u-turn after taking off to come back to land?



It was taking off, but struggled to get altitude.



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Reply #25 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 9:40am
 
From this video there is an expert comment:


@CaptainSteve777

56 minutes ago

25,000-hour B777 captain here.  It may be pilot error.  Selecting flaps up after takeoff instead of the landing gear is my theory, and it explains why the gear stayed fully down. The crash pics show the L/E slats extended on the ground with little or no T/E flaps extended. That could not have been the T/O configuration, and "proves" the flaps were selected up after T/O.  Selecting flaps up at a speed behind the power curve would feel to the flying pilot like a loss of power, thus the "mayday lost power" radio call.  If true, the FDR will confirm.





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Reply #26 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 9:51am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 9:36pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 9:20pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 9:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 9:01pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 8:54pm:
This video shows plane had landing gear down descent rate shows coming in to land before crash.

https://x.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1933095447230591321





How come the wheels are still down?


As a pilot it looks like plane was coming in to land.

Why do you believe everything the fake news publishes?



It's not fake. 

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It's fake news they said plane was taking off.



What the hell is wrong with you?   Undecided

You can see the plane on the ground and then lift off.

5 mins 10 secs

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Reply #27 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 11:20am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 8:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 6:56pm:
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/plane-crashes-indias-ahmedabad-airport-tv-ch...


Air India plane crashes at India's Ahmedabad airport, source says


By Reuters

June 12, 2025    6:48 PM GMT+10    Updated 2 min ago



NEW DELHI, June 12 (Reuters) - An Air India plane crashed at the airport in India's western city of Ahmedabad, television channels reported on Thursday, without specifying whether there were any fatalities.
The plane was headed to Birmingham, an aviation source told Reuters.

The crash occurred when the aircraft was taking off, the TV channels reported. Visuals showed debris on fire, with thick black smoke rising up into the sky near the airport.
More than 100 people were on board the flight, channels said.
They also showed visuals of people being moved in stretchers and being taken away in ambulances.
Reporting by Sakshi Dayal; Editing by YP Rajesh


This video shows plane had landing gear down descent rate shows coming in to land before crash.

https://x.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1933095447230591321




Sure looked like it was landing not taking off.

Edit - that's how it looked in the first video.

The second video was more informative.
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Reply #28 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 6:08pm
 
Ron Bartsch is a leading expert in aviation safety and chairman of Avlaw — a respected international aviation consulting company.

He said it appears the aircraft's flaps — which help increase lift on take-off and landing — do not appear to be in the right position, and the landing gear is down.

"There are some abnormalities with the video that I've seen," he told ABC NEWS Verify.

"The fact that the aircraft still appears to be with its gear down and flaps retracted at 600 feet after take-off is not the usual configuration for an aircraft.

"The aircraft would have been very close to maximum take-off weight, the ambient conditions were around 40 degrees Celsius — so they're not conditions for aircraft performance.

"The aircraft can climb with its gear down, but at a low speed like that, it would need to have extra lift generated by the flaps, so obviously in the configuration it was at the time, it wasn't able to climb," Professor Bartsch said.

He added that it is early days in the investigation but said engine failure was unlikely.

"Double engine failures is virtually something that can be completely ruled out because the chances of an engine failure in these modern aircraft is very, very remote," Professor Bartsch said.

"It really does appear that there's been some degree of human error in this catastrophe."

Guy Hirst, a career pilot and aviation educator, told the ABC that a bird strike could have caused the incident.

"Ahmedabad does suffer quite a lot from flocks of birds, and although they've been doing quite a lot at the airport to try and reduce the possibilities, that is always a possibility."

Another expert agreed that pilot error could be the blame.

"This is indicative of the pilots pulling up the flaps instead of the landing gear after take-off," former pilot and aviation analyst James Nixon told ABC Melbourne.

Aviation expert Keith Tonkin told ABC News Breakfast, the landing gear being left down shows the pilots were occupied.

"The fact that the landing gear was left down probably indicates that the pilots were pretty busy trying to deal with whatever those circumstances were," he said.

According to Reuters, air traffic control said the plane made an "mayday" call — signalling an emergency — just after take-off, but after that point, there was no response from the aircraft.

Authorities are now working to find the aircraft's black box — an on-board crash-protected recording device, which captures aircraft data and sound from the cockpit.
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Reply #29 - Jun 13th, 2025 at 8:24pm
 
Video to me says no flaps and slats... nose went up - either the pilots tried to gun it out of an incipient stall or it stalled first ... not enough lift for the speed without flaps and slats, and no room for nose down to build speed.

FFS - fundamental error... kinda makes you wish you'd signed up for the kamikaze corps, don' it ... instead of planning a world trip?

No - I didn't see the expert's opinion below.

No word on fatalities?  There was one survivor - a Brit.  Hot air is thinner and provides less lift ... pilots should be well trained in that... this is like the Heathrow VC-10 crash decades ago ... slats and flaps in too early... and that was cool air.

Were the pilots drunk or something?  Cockpit management wrong?
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