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Reply #195 - Jun 20th, 2025 at 6:39pm
 
She's not a stupid person, she worked briefly as an air traffic controller which is a very hard course to qualify from.

But smart people do dumb things.

If she indeed killed them on purpose, all she had to do was claim it was a terrible accident form the beginning and there would be probably no case. She could say she foraged the mushrooms and made a terrible mistake. The max case they could bring would be something like criminal negligence.
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Reply #196 - Jun 20th, 2025 at 7:55pm
 
They'll put her away in a dark room like a mushroom 🍄
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #197 - Jun 20th, 2025 at 8:27pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 7:55pm:
They'll put her away in a dark room like a mushroom 🍄


Will they let her tend the prison garden?
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Reply #198 - Jun 21st, 2025 at 5:29am
 
I'm the same as Gregg and Daves - I feel she is guilty - but you cannot convict on a feeling.

The prosecutor is intensely rhetorical - which also raises concerns in my mind.  It looks like she is working very hard to give the worst impression rather than letting the facts speak for themselves - as they must.

If Patterson were a yob bloke with a magistrate - she'd be a goner.

Let's see what a jury can work out.
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Reply #199 - Jun 21st, 2025 at 11:50am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 6:32pm:
[quote author=Aquarius link=1745899549/192#192 date=1750402039]

Wy would anyone procure poisonous mushrooms?
I'ld imagine poisonous mushrooms are not easy to get.
They are not commercially available.
Why would anyone go out of their way

Eh nein,i can collect poison mushrooms any day after rain followed by humidity in my front yard/ jungle.

I never would because-

1 doesn’t matter how much a expert you just can’t tell the difference between the good ones or death ones.

2 they aren’t going send me broke  to buy from a supermarket and ( hopefully) know I have healthy ones.


I think she’s guilty of man slaughter and has admitted as much.

They haven’t proven she did it on purpose .

If I mistaken killing three people from my cooking i would lose the plot and possibly act as she has.

People do crazy things under  huge pressure.

They have proven she’s a liar .

So what?

We have governments full of liars!

P.s she’s admitting to man slaughter. I believe that. I don’t believe they have proven she murdered .
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Reply #200 - Jun 21st, 2025 at 2:23pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 6:32pm:
Aquarius wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 4:47pm:
Erin Patterson is a very devious woman and a compulsive liar.

She went to great pains to lure her guests to lunch by stating she had been diagnosed with cancer.  Why?

She deviously ensured that only her guests ate the Beef Wellingtons with the death cap mushrooms in it.  Why?

As far as I am concerned she is guilty. Whether the jury finds the same is another thing.


Totally guilty.
Wy would anyone procure poisonous mushrooms?
I'ld imagine poisonous mushrooms are not easy to get.
They are not commercially available.
Why would anyone go out of their way to identify, travel somewhere, pick some, then bring poisonous mushrooms home?
Why put them in a desiccator?
Why discard the desiccator away afterwards?


All logical points.

And then there were the spontaneous tears - poor little innocent me.  But she knew what she was doing.  She is not an uneducated person. She procured those death cap mushrooms and used them in the meal knowing full well that they were there - otherwise she would have innocently eaten them and died along with others or become extremely ill like the one survivor. She knew what death cap mushrooms are, she knew what they looked like.  She made sure she didn't eat any.

The husband has also eaten meals made by Erin Patterson that left him in a near fatal condition in hospital. 

Honestly, I know my cooking is pretty much atrocious but I've never left anyone retching after a meal - let alone on death's doorstep! 
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Reply #201 - Jun 21st, 2025 at 6:40pm
 
just did 10 seconds of googling.
The difference between poisonous mushies and normal ones is pretty obvious.

the ones out the front of our place are poisonous
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Reply #202 - Jun 21st, 2025 at 6:50pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 2:48pm:
I have not been following this very closely but there is room for that reasonable doubt from what I have read.

My 'gut' says she is guilty but if I was on that Jury, I could not convict based on what I have read/seen.


Still my view.
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Reply #203 - Jun 21st, 2025 at 7:05pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 21st, 2025 at 6:40pm:
just did 10 seconds of googling.
The difference between poisonous mushies and normal ones is pretty obvious.

the ones out the front of our place are poisonous


Make sure the missus knows about that and it is on video..... just in case, you understand.
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Reply #204 - Jun 21st, 2025 at 7:07pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 8:27pm:
Jasin wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 7:55pm:
They'll put her away in a dark room like a mushroom 🍄


Will they let her tend the prison garden?


Chief chef...
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Reply #205 - Jul 2nd, 2025 at 4:34pm
 

The jury is out now.

My opinion -

The judge seemed to be on Erin's side when he gave the jury advice.
He said something about how she wasn't on trial for lying -
she couldn't be convicted of murder for lying -
even though any jury member would see those lies as
an attempt to cover up the crime.

If the jury follows that advice then Erin might walk free.    Undecided
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Reply #206 - Jul 2nd, 2025 at 4:50pm
 
Her first meal in prison should be Mushrooms and Mash.
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Reply #207 - Jul 2nd, 2025 at 5:06pm
 

I've been mushrooming myself and believe me more than
90% of what I picked went into the rubbish bin.
Even all those Apps on the web can't 100% identify any mushroom.
Any mushroom near a tree with white gills is too suspicious to eat.
Was she asked any questions along those lines?

Even field mushrooms can look OK but with the poisonous yellow stainers -
you rub your thumbnail across the cap and if it leaves a yellow stain – don't eat it.
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Reply #208 - Jul 2nd, 2025 at 5:41pm
 

She should have known what death caps looked like.

I have had a bit of experience watching court cases and
the intelligence of the person on trial always came up and
was mentioned by the magistrate.
I seemed to me that the more intelligent someone was the more severe the sentence.
Since Erin was in a high IQ air traffic control job – ATC – it will count against her.
Not only that but ATC is all about public safety.
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Reply #209 - Jul 2nd, 2025 at 8:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2025 at 5:41pm:
She should have known what death caps looked like.

I have had a bit of experience watching court cases and
the intelligence of the person on trial always came up and
was mentioned by the magistrate.
I seemed to me that the more intelligent someone was the more severe the sentence.
Since Erin was in a high IQ air traffic control job – ATC – it will count against her.
Not only that but ATC is all about public safety.


She's devious.  She's smart.  She's wholly responsible for the deaths of 3 people.  She almost killed her husband.  Fortunately he survived. 

She knew what death cap mushrooms looked like.  She made sure she and her children didn't eat any.  If she was totally innocent she would have eaten those mushrooms herself.  She tried to blame an Asian grocer ... but funnily enough no one else who bought mushrooms from that grocer died.

If she is found not guilty it will be biggest travesty of all time.   But lots of people on juries are loathe to convict.  And the verdict has to be unanimous.  There are 14 people on that jury and regardless of their decision, she will always be guilty in my mind.

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