Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Labor's new tax - UCGT (Read 2245 times)
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120191
Melbourne
Gender: male
Labor's new tax - UCGT
Apr 25th, 2025 at 8:24am
 
UCGT -  unrealized capital gains tax.


https://wentworthreport.com/2025/04/25/labors-tax-on-unrealized-capital-gains-wi...



Labor’s tax on unrealized capital gains
will strangle Australian small business and innovation —
and may spread to homes.


By Matthew Cranston in The Australian.

Labor wants to slap a 30 per cent tax on unrealised capital gains made in superannuation ­accounts worth $3m or more without any indexation. The Greens are willing to back Labor but want the threshold to be lowered to $2m …

“The problem with UCGT is that every time you raise capital for a company, it can take place at a higher valuation and every time that happens you would get taxed, but the trouble is the company could still fail, it could go to zero and yet you have paid all this tax on what wasn’t even there and there is no refund,” [CSL chairman Brian McNamee] said. …

Dr McNamee was made chairman of Australia’s third largest company, having been chief executive for 23 years, and is ­regarded as a leader in raising up small technology and drug ­companies. ..

In the most stunning intervention by a business leader in the election campaign so far, Dr McNamee said the Albanese government did “not understand the consequences” of the “frightening, shocking” unrealised capital gains tax policy that Jim Chalmers was championing.

“I am deeply troubled about what it will do and how it could make Australia a less attractive place to invest,” Dr McNamee told The Australian. …

Experts in raising money for companies say an unrealised capital gains tax would be a disaster. …

Mr Paton, the former UBS and Citi dealmaker who with his team assisted in raising more than $200bn in capital for companies, said Labor’s new tax was a “wrecking ball” for small and ­medium-sized business capital.

“My prediction, after 25 years in raising capital, is that this is a game stopper for entrepreneurial spirit in Australia unless Treasury finds a way for big industry funds to fill the space of providing long term risk capital for small early-stage companies.” …

Investment managers across Australia — including regional areas where people with illiquid assets such as farms and warehouses would also have to pay unrealised gains — are raising the idea that Labor’s new tax would eventually be used on the family home.

Note also that Labor’s tax trheshold is not indexed. Due to the western world’s need to print its way out of huge debts — which is now widely recognizable, and the root cause of the rising gold price — there is a lot of inflation headed our way. $3m will seem small in a decade. Your home is only worth $3m — you poor things.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22855
A cat with a view
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 8:58am
 

I propose that all 'special' and additional >> TAXPAYER contributions << to politicians superannuation payments,
should be subject to a plebiscite [a plebiscite which would be conducted in conjunction with every federal poll].


plebiscite = = the direct vote of all the members of an electorate on an important public question.



The plebiscite question could be;
AS A CITIZEN OF AUSTRALIA.......
ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE MANAGEMENT
OF >> OUR COMMONWEALTH <<,
BY OUR STEWARDS, THE POLITICAL CLASS,
DURING THE PAST 5 YEARS ?



If the answer is in the NEGATIVE, for more than 60% of the citizens polled........
then all 'special' and additional >> TAXPAYER contributions << to politicians superannuation payments would be withheld......
for the next five years.

i.e.
The politicians will receive the full returns for every cent, which they themselves contributed to their own superannuation.
BUT, politicians will NOT receive any 'special' and additional TAXPAYER contributions additions, to their parliamentary superannuation entitlements.


What do you think ?

We could call this action,
POLITICAL REFORM and 'incentivisation'.




Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120191
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #2 - Apr 25th, 2025 at 9:06am
 
Hi Yadda,
that won't stop politicians dreaming up new ways to tax us.

Even CGT on money in the bank is unfair -
they don't allow you to claim for losses due to inflation -
you lose money by having it in the bank.

Maybe everyone could be fitted with an air meter -
so they could tax us on how much air we breathe?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120191
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #3 - May 1st, 2025 at 8:23am
 

Apr 30, 2025

Wilson Asset Management founder Geoff Wilson says the introduction of
unrealised gains tax will be a “disaster” for Australia.

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has been vocal against a tax on unrealised gains for Australia.



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120191
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #4 - May 2nd, 2025 at 8:15pm
 

No date on this article?


https://www.primefinancial.com.au/blog/division-296-criticism-smsf-stressors-reg...


DIVISION 296: Criticism & SMSF Stressors Regarding the $3 million Super Tax.



With the Bill set to be introduced to the Lower House this week, it looks as though Division 296 legislation is set to been acted by July 1 next year, despite concerns from Industry. The proposed “$3million supertax” will impact less than 1% of Australians with a superannuation account in the 2025/26 financial year, but it remains controversial.

Indeed, since draft Division 295 legislation was introduced in October last year, critics describe it as rushed, flawed, and particularly punitive for SMSF members.


How is Division 296 Calculated?
Once the Division 296 tax is in effect, any earnings on superannuation balances exceeding $ 3 million in a financial year will be subject to an additional 15% tax, making the total tax on this portion of earnings 30%.

Each year, a member’s adjusted total superannuation balance (TSB) will be used to determine how much, if any, Division 296 tax should be applied. This ensures that only the change in value from the start to the end of the financial year is used in the Division 296 tax calculation.

Certain withdrawals are added, and the year's superannuation contributions are subtracted to produce a TSB. Withdrawals are added to prevent taxpayers from taking money from their superannuation account to avoid a Division 296 tax liability. Meanwhile, contributions are considered an injection of capital rather than fund earnings, so they’re excluded from the Division 296 calculation. This area is complex due to the nature and number of withdrawals and contributions that may result in an adjusted TSB. Exclusions to withdraw and contributions are set to apply, so once legislation is enacted, it’s a good idea to become familiar with these conditions.

If the TSB at year-end is less than $3million, the taxpayer will not be subject to Division 296 tax for that income year.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sophia
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 9704
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 10:10am
 
So there’s going to be changes made with CGT.
Usually you get 50% off but soon….
It will be a raise to 70% off for new purchased units and a drop to 35% for purchases of undetached existing houses. Existing investment property owners will remain at 50%.
This will definitely encourage sardine can living!

https://apple.news/AXAu7-wUJQhmWr7Ovh_Wk6A
Back to top
 

If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.

Milton Friedman
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 61808
Here
Gender: male
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 10:20am
 
Quote:
Labor’s tax on unrealized capital gains
will strangle Australian small business and innovation and may spread to homes.


This only applies to superannuation over $3 Million.

What is business doing holding money and assets in superannuation besides to avoid their tax bill ?

If it can spread to Home values than why do people have their home held in superannuation ? How does that work or is it just a lie ?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 61808
Here
Gender: male
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 10:25am
 
Quote:
strangle Australian small business


How many people do small business pay over $3 million in superannuation ?

The adjustment would be no more than an update to the payroll software - virtually zero cost.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 51474
Gender: male
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #8 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 11:03am
 
Lols said “. . . undetached existing houses. . ”

I assume you meant unattached houses? Single dwellings?
Back to top
 

OzPolitic needs a >real< Environment MRB now!
OzPolitic needs a >real< Food MRB now!
OzPolitic needs a >real< Health MRB now!
OzPolitic needs a >real< Economics MRB now!

Topics in the right MRB!
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 61808
Here
Gender: male
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 11:43am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 11:03am:
Lols said “. . . undetached existing houses. . ”

I assume you meant unattached houses? Single dwellings?


I think I worked it out - this topic is referring to 2 completely different things. One is superannuation changes and the other a tax concession change to housing.

Both completely unrelated ?

Business are not really doing  a housing tax scam under the superannuation umbrella ?


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 78311
Gender: male
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 12:24pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2025 at 8:24am:
“The problem with UCGT is that every time you raise capital for a company, it can take place at a higher valuation and every time that happens you would get taxed, but the trouble is the company could still fail, it could go to zero and yet you have paid all this tax on what wasn’t even there and there is no refund,” [CSL chairman Brian McNamee] said.



not different to what is done with land tax Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 120191
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 12:48pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 12:24pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2025 at 8:24am:
“The problem with UCGT is that every time you raise capital for a company, it can take place at a higher valuation and every time that happens you would get taxed, but the trouble is the company could still fail, it could go to zero and yet you have paid all this tax on what wasn’t even there and there is no refund,” [CSL chairman Brian McNamee] said.



not different to what is done with land tax Roll Eyes



Labor brought in new land taxes to Victoria.

Same happens with GST.
A company can sell an item at below cost
yet the Govt still gets 10% GST.
Taxes are a rip off.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53190
At my desk.
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 1:39pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 12:24pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2025 at 8:24am:
“The problem with UCGT is that every time you raise capital for a company, it can take place at a higher valuation and every time that happens you would get taxed, but the trouble is the company could still fail, it could go to zero and yet you have paid all this tax on what wasn’t even there and there is no refund,” [CSL chairman Brian McNamee] said.



not different to what is done with land tax Roll Eyes


No it isn't. Land is taxed based on its value, not the increase in it's value. Depending on the circumstances, you could pay a fortune in land tax while making no capital gain, or you could make huge capital gains while paying little land tax.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 78311
Gender: male
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 2:15pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 1:39pm:
No it isn't. Land is taxed based on its value, not the increase in it's value. Depending on the circumstances, you could pay a fortune in land tax while making no capital gain, or you could make huge capital gains while paying little land tax.


the value is determined by whatever someone is willing to pay for it, not some random number someone in Canberra nominates
Back to top
 

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
IP Logged
 
Sophia
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 9704
Re: Labor's new tax - UCGT
Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2025 at 6:42pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 11:43am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 21st, 2025 at 11:03am:
Lols said “. . . undetached existing houses. . ”

I assume you meant unattached houses? Single dwellings?


I think I worked it out - this topic is referring to 2 completely different things. One is superannuation changes and the other a tax concession change to housing.

Both completely unrelated ?

Business are not really doing  a housing tax scam under the superannuation umbrella ?




Oh oops.
I was thinking of starting a new heading… but the way most topics veer off course… I’m not too way off maybe  Sad
Yeah unattached … undetached …. My new word for the day…. Good to see I am being paid attention to  Tongue
Back to top
 

If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.

Milton Friedman
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print