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How many feet above sea level….
Mar 31st, 2025 at 9:30am
 
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I decided to find out because…. I was watching a cooking vid online, about bottling tomatoes and boiling in water method… when they mentioned every so many feet/metres above sea level needed longer boiling time.
Another time I watched a cooking segment from Switzerland… a railway stop high in the alps… at a restaurant… needed 10 mins extra to boil pasta water because of high altitude!

I live 450 metres above sea level!
My cook times are not as fast as sea level folk in Melbourne!  Grin
450 metres the same as the place we visited last September…Santorini!
This high… in pic below!





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Reply #1 - Mar 31st, 2025 at 10:09am
 
You silly Billy.

If you put a glass of water inside
a sealed glass tank and you used a
vacuum pump to remove the air
the water would boil at room temperature.
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Reply #2 - Mar 31st, 2025 at 10:38am
 
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How many feet above sea level….


I try to keep both of them above sea level. (some short exceptions).
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Reply #3 - Mar 31st, 2025 at 11:14am
 
You might need a pressure canner Lols!
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Reply #4 - Mar 31st, 2025 at 11:34am
 
I live in an area with an average elevation  58 m above sea level.

I give rice 18 mins and dry pasta 22 mins.  Smiley

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Reply #5 - Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:26pm
 
I’m going to experiment.
I will use same pot and water and time it to boil here 450 m above sea level.
Then go down to bay and do same.
Just because  Smiley

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Reply #6 - Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:30pm
 
Water boils faster at sea level (or lower altitudes) than at higher altitudes, as the boiling point is lower at higher altitudes due to reduced atmospheric pressure.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Boiling Point and Altitude:
The boiling point of water is the temperature at which it transitions from a liquid to a gas (steam). At sea level, water boils at 100°C (212°F). However, as altitude increases, the atmospheric pressure decreases, and therefore, the boiling point of water also decreases.
Boiling Point at Higher Altitudes:
At 5,000 feet above sea level, water boils at around 203°F (95°C), and at 10,000 feet, it boils at approximately 194°F (90°C).
Why Boiling is Quicker at Sea Level:
Because water boils at a lower temperature at higher altitudes, it takes less energy (heat) to reach that lower boiling point, meaning it boils more quickly. At sea level, water needs to reach a higher temperature (100°C), requiring more energy and thus a longer time to boil.
Cooking at High Altitude:
While water boils faster at sea level, it's important to note that food takes longer to cook at higher altitudes because the lower boiling temperature means the food doesn't reach the required cooking temperature as quickly.
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Reply #7 - Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:43pm
 
When at 8000+ metres it took me ages for my coffee to come good and it got cold really quick after my first sip.
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Reply #8 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 9:15pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:43pm:
When at 8000+ metres it took me ages for my coffee to come good and it got cold really quick after my first sip.


We went to the Sapa this year. 3400 meters above sea level. Took us 2 mins to get 2 double shot long black and only 150000 dong.  Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #9 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 3:47pm
 
That's a mean coffee ☕  Grin
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Reply #10 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:16pm
 
Sophia wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:30pm:
Water boils faster at sea level (or lower altitudes) than at higher altitudes, as the boiling point is lower at higher altitudes due to reduced atmospheric pressure.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Boiling Point and Altitude:
The boiling point of water is the temperature at which it transitions from a liquid to a gas (steam). At sea level, water boils at 100°C (212°F). However, as altitude increases, the atmospheric pressure decreases, and therefore, the boiling point of water also decreases.
Boiling Point at Higher Altitudes:
At 5,000 feet above sea level, water boils at around 203°F (95°C), and at 10,000 feet, it boils at approximately 194°F (90°C).
Why Boiling is Quicker at Sea Level:
Because water boils at a lower temperature at higher altitudes, it takes less energy (heat) to reach that lower boiling point, meaning it boils more quickly. At sea level, water needs to reach a higher temperature (100°C), requiring more energy and thus a longer time to boil.
Cooking at High Altitude:
While water boils faster at sea level, it's important to note that food takes longer to cook at higher altitudes because the lower boiling temperature means the food doesn't reach the required cooking temperature as quickly.



You are really mixed up.

Water boils slower at sea level  - it takes longer to boil.
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Reply #11 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:17pm
 
We're about 13 meters (42 feet) above sea level here in Rivervale, Perth.

https://elevationmap.net/rivervale-belmont-perth-au-1010908370

Which reminds me - see attached picture.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.  Grin
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Reply #12 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:51pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:16pm:
Sophia wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:30pm:
Water boils faster at sea level (or lower altitudes) than at higher altitudes, as the boiling point is lower at higher altitudes due to reduced atmospheric pressure.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Boiling Point and Altitude:
The boiling point of water is the temperature at which it transitions from a liquid to a gas (steam). At sea level, water boils at 100°C (212°F). However, as altitude increases, the atmospheric pressure decreases, and therefore, the boiling point of water also decreases.
Boiling Point at Higher Altitudes:
At 5,000 feet above sea level, water boils at around 203°F (95°C), and at 10,000 feet, it boils at approximately 194°F (90°C).
Why Boiling is Quicker at Sea Level:
Because water boils at a lower temperature at higher altitudes, it takes less energy (heat) to reach that lower boiling point, meaning it boils more quickly. At sea level, water needs to reach a higher temperature (100°C), requiring more energy and thus a longer time to boil.
Cooking at High Altitude:
While water boils faster at sea level, it's important to note that food takes longer to cook at higher altitudes because the lower boiling temperature means the food doesn't reach the required cooking temperature as quickly.



You are really mixed up.

Water boils slower at sea level  - it takes longer to boil.


How so Bobby?

Explain this then.
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Reply #13 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:52pm
 
Carl D wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:17pm:
We're about 13 meters (42 feet) above sea level here in Rivervale, Perth.

https://elevationmap.net/rivervale-belmont-perth-au-1010908370

Which reminds me - see attached picture.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.  Grin


Ah … ha…ha … Roll Eyes  Smiley
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Reply #14 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:57pm
 
Sophia wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:16pm:
Sophia wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:30pm:
Water boils faster at sea level (or lower altitudes) than at higher altitudes, as the boiling point is lower at higher altitudes due to reduced atmospheric pressure.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Boiling Point and Altitude:
The boiling point of water is the temperature at which it transitions from a liquid to a gas (steam). At sea level, water boils at 100°C (212°F). However, as altitude increases, the atmospheric pressure decreases, and therefore, the boiling point of water also decreases.
Boiling Point at Higher Altitudes:
At 5,000 feet above sea level, water boils at around 203°F (95°C), and at 10,000 feet, it boils at approximately 194°F (90°C).
Why Boiling is Quicker at Sea Level:
Because water boils at a lower temperature at higher altitudes, it takes less energy (heat) to reach that lower boiling point, meaning it boils more quickly. At sea level, water needs to reach a higher temperature (100°C), requiring more energy and thus a longer time to boil.
Cooking at High Altitude:
While water boils faster at sea level, it's important to note that food takes longer to cook at higher altitudes because the lower boiling temperature means the food doesn't reach the required cooking temperature as quickly.



You are really mixed up.

Water boils slower at sea level  - it takes longer to boil.


How so Bobby?

Explain this then.



That meme is wrong.
It takes less energy to make the water boil at high altitude -
so it boils much faster than at sea level.
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Reply #15 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
Sophia wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 4:16pm:
Sophia wrote on Mar 31st, 2025 at 2:30pm:
Water boils faster at sea level (or lower altitudes) than at higher altitudes, as the boiling point is lower at higher altitudes due to reduced atmospheric pressure.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Boiling Point and Altitude:
The boiling point of water is the temperature at which it transitions from a liquid to a gas (steam). At sea level, water boils at 100°C (212°F). However, as altitude increases, the atmospheric pressure decreases, and therefore, the boiling point of water also decreases.
Boiling Point at Higher Altitudes:
At 5,000 feet above sea level, water boils at around 203°F (95°C), and at 10,000 feet, it boils at approximately 194°F (90°C).
Why Boiling is Quicker at Sea Level:
Because water boils at a lower temperature at higher altitudes, it takes less energy (heat) to reach that lower boiling point, meaning it boils more quickly. At sea level, water needs to reach a higher temperature (100°C), requiring more energy and thus a longer time to boil.
Cooking at High Altitude:
While water boils faster at sea level, it's important to note that food takes longer to cook at higher altitudes because the lower boiling temperature means the food doesn't reach the required cooking temperature as quickly.



You are really mixed up.

Water boils slower at sea level  - it takes longer to boil.


How so Bobby?

Explain this then.



That meme is wrong.
It takes less energy to make the water boil at high altitude -
so it boils much faster than at sea level.


We now talk about energy required to boil water?
It uses less energy to boil water at high altitude but it takes longer.
At lower altitude there’s more energy so it boils quicker.
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Reply #16 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:33pm
 
Sophia wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:29pm:
We now talk about energy required to boil water?
It uses less energy to boil water at high altitude but it takes longer.
At lower altitude there’s more energy so it boils quicker.



Dear Sophia,
you are so mixed up.
Trust me - I'm a scientist.     Grin
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Reply #17 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:34pm
 
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No, boiling water at higher altitudes actually requires less energy, not more. At higher altitudes, the lower atmospheric pressure means water will boil at a lower temperature, and therefore less heat is needed to reach that boiling point. While the boiling point is lower, the amount of time it takes to heat the water to that lower boiling point is not necessarily increased.
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Reply #18 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:39pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:34pm:
AI response-

No, boiling water at higher altitudes actually requires less energy, not more. At higher altitudes, the lower atmospheric pressure means water will boil at a lower temperature, and therefore less heat is needed to reach that boiling point. While the boiling point is lower, the amount of time it takes to heat the water to that lower boiling point is not necessarily increased.



The AI is wrong.

If you put a glass of water inside a tank and use a vacuum pump to remove all the air -
the water will boil at room temperature.

No energy required - and it will boil instantly.

Trust me - I'm a scientist.   Grin
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Reply #19 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:39pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:34pm:
AI response-

No, boiling water at higher altitudes actually requires less energy, not more. At higher altitudes, the lower atmospheric pressure means water will boil at a lower temperature, and therefore less heat is needed to reach that boiling point. While the boiling point is lower, the amount of time it takes to heat the water to that lower boiling point is not necessarily increased.



The AI is wrong.

If you put a glass of water inside a tank and use a vacuum pump to remove all the air -
the water will boil at room temperature.

No energy required - and it will boil instantly.

Trust me - I'm a scientist.   Grin


You still need energy for vacum pump.

Are you boiling water to make it hot or just to evaporate it?
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Reply #20 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:50pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:39pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:34pm:
AI response-

No, boiling water at higher altitudes actually requires less energy, not more. At higher altitudes, the lower atmospheric pressure means water will boil at a lower temperature, and therefore less heat is needed to reach that boiling point. While the boiling point is lower, the amount of time it takes to heat the water to that lower boiling point is not necessarily increased.



The AI is wrong.

If you put a glass of water inside a tank and use a vacuum pump to remove all the air -
the water will boil at room temperature.

No energy required - and it will boil instantly.

Trust me - I'm a scientist.   Grin


You still need energy for vacum pump



Yes - but that's all - it just simulates a very high altitude.

That's the way they use less energy to desalinate water by distillation.
They take the vacuum down to a low pressure and
then only a little bit of heat and energy will boil the water.
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Reply #21 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 8:02pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:50pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:39pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:34pm:
AI response-

No, boiling water at higher altitudes actually requires less energy, not more. At higher altitudes, the lower atmospheric pressure means water will boil at a lower temperature, and therefore less heat is needed to reach that boiling point. While the boiling point is lower, the amount of time it takes to heat the water to that lower boiling point is not necessarily increased.



The AI is wrong.

If you put a glass of water inside a tank and use a vacuum pump to remove all the air -
the water will boil at room temperature.

No energy required - and it will boil instantly.

Trust me - I'm a scientist.   Grin


You still need energy for vacum pump



Yes - but that's all - it just simulates a very high altitude.

That's the way they use less energy to desalinate water by distillation.
They take the vacuum down to a low pressure and
then only a little bit of heat and energy will boil the water.


They don't use vacum to desalinate water.

This is the smallest electric desalinator
https://www.katadyngroup.com/us/en/8013438-Katadyn-PowerSurvivor-40E~p6702

This is the smallest hand held desalinator for life rafts.
https://www.katadyngroup.com/us/en/Katadyn-Survivor-06-LS-RES~p30344
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Reply #22 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 8:09pm
 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286714630_The_Natural_Vacuum_Desalinati...


Seawater desalination technology is an important way to solve the freshwater shortage problem. Natural vacuum desalination (NVD) technology generates very low pressure environment in the headspace of 10 meters high water column. The weight of the water column is balanced by atmospheric pressure, and low-temperature desalination proceeds in the headspace. NVD technology drives the desalination process without any mechanical pumping, and requires relatively inferior quality of device material and simple structures. In this paper, the basic theory of NVD technology is introduced and physical model is described. Research progresses of different types of NVD technologies are summarized, and the method of increasing freshwater production is pointed out. This paper also illustrates the outlook on future development of NVD technology.
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Reply #23 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 8:25pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:39pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:34pm:
AI response-

No, boiling water at higher altitudes actually requires less energy, not more. At higher altitudes, the lower atmospheric pressure means water will boil at a lower temperature, and therefore less heat is needed to reach that boiling point. While the boiling point is lower, the amount of time it takes to heat the water to that lower boiling point is not necessarily increased.



The AI is wrong.

If you put a glass of water inside a tank and use a vacuum pump to remove all the air -
the water will boil at room temperature.

No energy required - and it will boil instantly.

Trust me - I'm a scientist.   Grin


Well…professorie.. since I’m living higher up in the mountains, my energy bill should be cheaper since everything operates at lower rates for the same outcome as anyone down in the boondocks.


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Reply #24 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 8:32pm
 
Sophia wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 8:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:39pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:34pm:
AI response-

No, boiling water at higher altitudes actually requires less energy, not more. At higher altitudes, the lower atmospheric pressure means water will boil at a lower temperature, and therefore less heat is needed to reach that boiling point. While the boiling point is lower, the amount of time it takes to heat the water to that lower boiling point is not necessarily increased.



The AI is wrong.

If you put a glass of water inside a tank and use a vacuum pump to remove all the air -
the water will boil at room temperature.

No energy required - and it will boil instantly.

Trust me - I'm a scientist.   Grin


Well…professorie.. since I’m living higher up in the mountains, my energy bill should be cheaper since everything operates at lower rates for the same outcome as anyone down in the boondocks.





No - it's colder at high altitude - your heating bill would be higher.
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Reply #25 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 8:42pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 8:32pm:
Sophia wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 8:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:39pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 7:34pm:
AI response-

No, boiling water at higher altitudes actually requires less energy, not more. At higher altitudes, the lower atmospheric pressure means water will boil at a lower temperature, and therefore less heat is needed to reach that boiling point. While the boiling point is lower, the amount of time it takes to heat the water to that lower boiling point is not necessarily increased.



The AI is wrong.

If you put a glass of water inside a tank and use a vacuum pump to remove all the air -
the water will boil at room temperature.

No energy required - and it will boil instantly.

Trust me - I'm a scientist.   Grin


Well…professorie.. since I’m living higher up in the mountains, my energy bill should be cheaper since everything operates at lower rates for the same outcome as anyone down in the boondocks.





No - it's colder at high altitude - your heating bill would be higher.


Not with a fireplace! And free wood galore here  Smiley

I watched a show last year about train travel through the Swiss alps… they stopped at a restaurant up high… with amazing views.
Then in the kitchen they were saying it took longer to boil the water for pasta to cook in.
Because of the high altitude.
And I found this article.
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