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Reply #420 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 12:22pm
 
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Reply #421 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 12:30pm
 
"Generation IV nuclear power refers to a system of fuel fabrication plants and reprocessing facilities that together overcome some of the shortcomings of current nuclear power installations. To be classified as Generation IV, a system must meet, or at least have the ability to meet, the following criteria: (1) it is much more fuel-efficient than current plants; (2) it is designed in such a way that severe accidents are not possible, that is, plant failure or an external event (such as an earthquake) should not result in radioactive material release to the outside world; (4) the fuel cycle is designed in such a way that uranium and plutonium are never separated (“diverged”) but only present in a mix and with other elements. This makes it more difficult to create nuclear weapons."

https://www.polytechnique-insights.com/en/braincamps/energy/the-latest-technolog...

GenIV approved for use in USA, already under construction China.
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Reply #422 - Sep 4th, 2024 at 10:13am
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 11:08am:
Gnads wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:07am:
Australia as a whole is not a known & regular high category earthquake region.

Nothing at all in comparison to those countries on the Ring of Fire or known large continental fault zones ....

where they either already have Nuclear power plants or are considering it in their future energy development plans.


Newcastle has had 4 high grade earthquakes with 14 people killed.

The last one a week ago was a grade 5 and occurred deep under an old coal mine.

i.e. deep under the type of topology where they want to build a nuclear plant.

I agree that Newcastle should be a low risk area but the historical frequence suggests that this assessment is likely incorrect.


Compared to other countries what happened in Newcastle is minor.

And you're mentioning one city in the whole country where there's been anything near damaging/collapsing buildings. And now 35 years ago.
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Reply #423 - Sep 4th, 2024 at 12:08pm
 
It is all good to talk about Gen 4 reactors, the costs, and earth quakes.  But let us not forget my friends, there is no nuclear power industry here in Australia!   We dont have the talent even for first gen nuclear reactors.   We dont have the experience or expertise on producing, storing or disposing nuclear rods of that magnitude.   We also need to improve infrastructures in those rural communities to sustain a nuclear industry.  We have none of that.    We can't even build an extension of rail way to the Airport from Melbourne, or to Rowville!   

7 Sites for nuclear power plants .... its a pipe dream, just like Brisbane to Melbourne high speed railway.   At maximum, Dutton will commission a nuclear authority to look at the viability of each of these sites.   And that would be it for 4 years until the next election.
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Reply #424 - Sep 4th, 2024 at 1:04pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 12:08pm:
But let us not forget my friends, there is no nuclear power industry here in Australia!



Lucas Heights anyone?

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 12:08pm:
We dont have the talent even for first gen nuclear reactors.


You never heard of skilled workers or SMR's? Modular. All ready to be fitted out and connected.
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Reply #425 - Sep 4th, 2024 at 2:01pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 1:04pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 12:08pm:
But let us not forget my friends, there is no nuclear power industry here in Australia!



Lucas Heights anyone?

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 12:08pm:
We dont have the talent even for first gen nuclear reactors.


You never heard of skilled workers or SMR's? Modular. All ready to be fitted out and connected.


Lucas Heights is a nuclear reactor, but not a power plant.   The actual reactor can generate electricity, however, the reactor is not built for that purpose.  It is used to make nuclear medicine. 

Nuclear power plants are end stage products.  Even though we have uranium in the ground.  Those uranium need to be processed and enriched into final products that had be used in the nuclear power plant.   We dont have this industry to support that.   

You can try to import skilled worker sure.  But try to import thousands of skilled workers in difference areas. of production chain at the same time, and to house and provide infrastructure to support them mostly in rural areas?  I am sorry, I just dont see this happening.   MAY be, MAY be, IF we have bipartisan support, with a real committed road map of say 40 to 50 years.  MAY Be... BIG MAY be.   
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Reply #427 - Sep 4th, 2024 at 6:53pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 2:01pm:
Lucas Heights is a nuclear reactor, but not a power plant. 



"ANSTO is home to Australia's only nuclear reactor OPAL in Lucas Heights, Sydney. OPAL stands for "Open Pool Australian Lightwater (OPAL)" - OPAL is a state-of-the-art 20 megawatt multi-purpose reactor that uses low enriched uranium (LEU) fuel to achieve a range of nuclear medicine, research, scientific, industrial and production goals."

https://www.ansto.gov.au/education/nuclear-facts

Sure sounds like a power plant.

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 2:01pm:
We dont have this industry to support that. 


"With Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States signing a historic deal on nuclear powered submarines, The Australian National University (ANU) stands ready to train the next generation of nuclear scientists and practitioners and fill the gap in our existing nuclear workforce.

For more than 70 years, ANU has trained the nation and the world's nuclear scientists and experts and is the only university in Australia providing comprehensive training in nuclear physics from the undergraduate to postdoctoral level."

https://science.anu.edu.au/news-events/news/anu-advance-australias-sovereign-nuc...

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 2:01pm:
You can try to import skilled worker sure.  But try to import thousands of skilled workers in difference areas. of production chain at the same time, and to house and provide infrastructure to support them mostly in rural areas?


Why would you need thousands?

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 2:01pm:
I am sorry, I just dont see this happening.


Well then I guess that's the end. You don't see therefore it is impossible.
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Reply #428 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:44am
 
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Reply #430 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:56am
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 10:13am:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 11:08am:
Gnads wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:07am:
Australia as a whole is not a known & regular high category earthquake region.

Nothing at all in comparison to those countries on the Ring of Fire or known large continental fault zones ....

where they either already have Nuclear power plants or are considering it in their future energy development plans.


Newcastle has had 4 high grade earthquakes with 14 people killed.

The last one a week ago was a grade 5 and occurred deep under an old coal mine.

i.e. deep under the type of topology where they want to build a nuclear plant.

I agree that Newcastle should be a low risk area but the historical frequence suggests that this assessment is likely incorrect.


Compared to other countries what happened in Newcastle is minor.

And you're mentioning one city in the whole country where there's been anything near damaging/collapsing buildings. And now 35 years ago.


The quake a few weeks ago was a 5, it would have toppled buildings had it been where there were buildings and it was at one of Duttons 7 sites. The area in Australia where the most deaths have occurred and the most earthquakes have taken place is on Duttons list of nuclear sites.
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Reply #431 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:58am
 
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Lucas Heights anyone?


There is a reason that the area around Lucas Heights glows in the dark.
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Reply #432 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:27am
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 10:58am:
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Lucas Heights anyone?

There is a reason that the area around Lucas Heights glows in the dark.


Mutant fireflies?
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Reply #433 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:31am
 
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SMRs have passive (inherent) safety systems, with a simpler design, a reactor core with lower core power and larger fractions of coolant. These altogether increase significantly the time allowed for operators to react in case of incidents or accidents.
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Reply #434 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:53am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 3:42pm:
Peter Dutton reveals seven sites for proposed nuclear power plants

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane

Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone

Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley

Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow

Port Augusta in SA

Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley

Muja in WA, near Collie


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