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Reply #60 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 10:00am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 3:33pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
A victory for common sense. The climate scam is beginning to unravel.


So if climate change is a scam, why do you think it is common sense to abandon coal fired power for a more expensive and more dangerous option?

You have to fairly creative to project any kind of common sense onto coalition policy.


Nuclear power is clean, efficient, less dangerous and cheaper than any other form of mass energy production. This is a problem for the climate scammers who are making billions out of so called 'renewables' that are both inefficient and environmentally harmful.
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Reply #61 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 10:22am
 
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Nuclear power is clean, efficient, less dangerous and cheaper than any other form of mass energy production.


LOL. No it isn't.
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Reply #62 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 10:34am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 10:22am:
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Nuclear power is clean, efficient, less dangerous and cheaper than any other form of mass energy production.


LOL. No it isn't.


It is if you ignore the plant construction, operation, maintenance and waste disposal costs.
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Reply #63 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 11:14am
 
Just to be clear:



Peter Dutton will not leave the Paris climate change agreement and remains committed to the Coalition’s pledge of net zero by 2050, despite attempts by the Albanese government to wedge Liberal and Nationals MPs over near-term emissions reduction targets.

The Australian understands that instead of promising unachievable 2030 and 2035 targets, the Coalition will argue detailed modelling and economic impact assessments must be conducted before committing to interim goals on the road to net zero.

With Anthony Albanese and Chris Bowen launching scare campaigns over nuclear power and the Paris accord, Mr Dutton on Sunday promised to “deliver a sensible and measured energy policy, which will be cheaper, consistent and cleaner electricity”.

“If we do that we will grow the economy – not shrink it like Labor is doing,” Mr Dutton said.

“There will be a big difference between the Prime Minister and I at the next election. Mr Albanese and Minister Bowen will be promising higher electricity prices, blackouts and an energy policy that will drive manufacturing and jobs offshore.

“As prime minister I will work day and night to bring power prices down and to make electricity reliable and cleaner. Labor is slowly wrecking the economy.”

Opposition energy and climate spokesman Ted O’Brien told The Australian “the Coalition’s position remains unchanged”.

“We remain committed to Paris and to net zero. Any shorter-term targets will be informed by the state of the economy, the trajectory of emissions and our suite of policies,” Mr O’Brien said.

Nobody believes Labor will achieve its 43 per cent target by 2030 and we do not want to be associated with Chris Bowen’s false prophecies saying otherwise.”

In an interview with The Weekend Australian, Mr Dutton said the Coalition would oppose Labor’s 43 per cent emissions reduction target by 2030 because there was “no sense in signing up to targets you don’t have any prospect of achieving”.

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Reply #64 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 11:18am
 
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The Australian understands that instead of promising unachievable 2030 and 2035 targets, the Coalition will argue detailed modelling and economic impact assessments must be conducted before committing to interim goals on the road to net zero.


LOL. 20 years later and they decide it is time to start thinking about how to keep the promises they made.

Asleep at the wheel.
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Reply #65 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 11:56am
 
Net zero, to use the first great climate change metaphor, hasn’t got a snowflake’s chance in hell. It’s a fraudulent concept. It’s not real. It requires an heroic leap of faith, magical thinking. It cannot exist in the physical universe.

Yet it’s the centre of Australian national policy. All our state governments are signed up to it. Net zero pledges of one kind or another – albeit often over time­frames which recall a Star Trek voyage more than a policy commitment – cover, notionally, two thirds of the global economy.



What does net zero mean?

It’s the idea that the world gets its total greenhouse emissions – now about 40 billion tonnes annually – down to a manageably small amount and then, by wondrous technology, takes carbon back out of the atmosphere equal to that still being emitted.

I am slightly overstating things by saying it’s absolutely impossible. It is possible if you believe in miracles. Miraculous technology may emerge which can extract vast amounts of carbon. Such technologies don’t exist today and are not in prospect. Today, net zero is impossible.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/emission-impossible-net-zero-carbon-re...


International Energy Agency works closely with the UN and is all on board with the net zero zeitgeist. In its Global Energy Transitions Stocktake it recognises that “half the emission reductions needed to reach net zero come from technologies not yet on the market”. Got that? We cannot ever get to net zero unless we develop technologies that are “under development” or yet to be invented.

Czech-Canadian scientist Vaclav Smil is the author of 40 books mainly focused on outlining complex realities and dilemmas. His 2022 book How the World Really Works contains bad news for those climate activists who just want to “do something” about climate change and believe the solution is easy – just decarbonise.

The real wrench in the works,” warns Smil, is that “we are a fossil-fuelled civilisation whose technical and scientific advances, quality of life and prosperity rest on the combustion of huge quantities of fossil carbon, and we cannot simply walk away from this critical determinant of our fortunes in a few decades, never mind years.”

He is not a complete pessimist, just anchored in the reality: “Complete decarbonisation of the global economy by 2050 is now conceivable only at the cost of unthinkable economic retreat, or as a result of extraordinarily rapid transformations relying on near miraculous technical advances.”

This is because we rely on fossil fuels not just to generate most of our electricity but to fuel our road, rail, air and sea transport, heat homes, power industry, mine minerals, create chemical and plastic products, manufacture fertilisers and grow food. While wealthy countries such as ours can make some expensive changes to improve efficiency and reduce emissions, more than half of the world’s population is still racing to get the energy it needs, massively expanding global energy demand.

“Annual global demand for fossil carbon is now just above 10 billion tons a year,” writes Smil, “a mass nearly five times more than the recent annual harvest of all staple grains feeding humanity, and more than twice the total mass of water drunk annually by the world’s nearly eight billion inhabitants – and it should be obvious that displacing and replacing such a mass is not something best handled by government targets for years ending in zero or five.”
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Reply #66 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:16pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 10:15pm:
Still running away from an answer I see.



You are the one running. They couldn't do a comparison with nuclear. It was and is still illegal. So you mean they didn't do a cost comparison? That stands to reason. You still haven't come up with ONE energy provider who did any number crunching. You just go back to your mantra "I was only asking a question". But you were the one saying "everyone knows". Are you now saying "everyone but you knows"? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #67 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:17pm
 
The Coalition cannot meet the 2030 targets without an investment in renewable energy which will tank if Dutton becomes Prime Minister....The Coalition propose to use gas to support the system until new Nuclear Power Plants are constructed and operational....This is why Dutton will not release his energy policy UNLESS he wins the next election....Dutton wants the Australian public to trust him without question???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.cleanenergycouncil.org.au/news/new-independent-research-nuclear-six-...
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Reply #68 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:24pm
 
phil, neither can Labor.

It is just 6 years away.

"Based on its current trajectory, no — and this is why.

In an unreleased WA government-commissioned report obtained by the ABC, it was said WA's emissions would need to be 11 per cent below 2005 levels in 2030 and 42 per cent below in 2035 in order to meet its own net zero target.
Internal 2030 projections raise questions about WA's net zero plans

West Australian Premier Roger Cook says his state is on track to achieve net zero emissions by 2050, but 7.30 understands internal modelling is projecting it will not, based on its current trajectory.
An aerial shot of the Gorgon gas project on the coast of Western Australia.
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But the projections are a far cry from that.

The modelling shows under the current state of play, WA's emissions would be just 2 per cent below 2005 levels in 2030 and 20 per cent below in 2035."

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"That's according to Professor Mark Howden, the director of the Institute for Climate, Energy & Disaster Solutions at the Australian National University.

Professor Mark Howden says reaching Australia's net zero targets would be a challenge if WA continued on it's current trajectory.(ABC Landline)

He said if WA's trajectory continued, "it would seem unlikely that Australia can meet its international obligations".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-25/can-australia-reach-net-zero-climate-targ...

And that is just WA.

BTW - I note your cited report does not go into Lazard's calculations.
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Reply #69 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:33pm
 
There is no way the Conalition can get anywhere near the 43% target by 2030 with there current (lack of) policy which would decemate investment in renewable energy....Labor may miss the target by 1% according to the latest report from the Climate Change Authority!!!

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Is Australia on track to achieve its 2030 targets?
Labor has dismissed suggestions it's not on track to meet its 2030 target.

The latest Climate Change Authority report released in 2023, projected Australia's emissions to be 42 per cent below 2005 levels in 2030. That's only 1 per cent below the target of 43 per cent.


Smiley Smiley Smiley

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/blow-our-budget-why-australias-2030-emission...
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Reply #70 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:40pm
 
The current level is 610.6MT.
The 43% is BELOW the 2005 level of 466MT.
43% below 2005 level is 265.6MT.
That would mean a drop of 345MtT by 2030.
Not achievable.
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Reply #71 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:56pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:40pm:
The current level is 610.6MT.
The 43% is BELOW the 2005 level of 466MT.
43% below 2005 level is 265.6MT.
That would mean a drop of 345MtT by 2030.
Not achievable.


Do you have a link to this report Lee???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #72 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 10:22am:
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Nuclear power is clean, efficient, less dangerous and cheaper than any other form of mass energy production.


LOL. No it isn't.


You are a victim of the relentless fear campaign that has been waged in Australia for decades, encouraged by the vested interests that are making billions out of so called 'renewables' . Good summary here:

https://www.spectator.com.au/2024/06/the-big-renewable-energy-lie/
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Reply #73 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:06pm
 
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Reply #74 - Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:06pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 8:39am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 8:08pm:
The radio journalist today has said that Australia has achieved a 29 of the 43% percent climate target. I would say that getting that last 14 of the 43% is not out of the question.


That's positive news.  I'll have to research more into it.

Funny what can happen when the adults are in charge.


I seriously believe that even if we get to 40% reduction in carbon emissions, that would be quite reasonable.
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