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Reply #45 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 11:31am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 4:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 4:05pm:
Greggy,
I'm not playing your silly games of riddles.

The port Arthur massacre left many unanswered questions:

https://web.archive.org/web/20040203072156/www.shootersnews.addr.com/snportarthu...


No.  There are no unanswered questions.

What do conspiracy theorists and Excel have in common?

They spreadsheet.




Like your beloved American Media has for nearly a century before the Internet came along like Israel to the Moslem middle-east.
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Reply #46 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 11:42am
 
Martin Bryant Massacre, Azaria Chamberlain & the Dingo.
Australians are known as the biggest bullshyte artists in the world.
From Drop-Bears, to Mud-Sharks, to Crocodile Dundees and more.
Every Aussie is a larrikan in the Pub telling the biggest lies they can go for. You see them lay it on via the Footy Shows. You see them tell Porkies from the Police of the Luna Park Fire to Parliament House Showbiz.

One thing for sure. Martin Bryant was just trying to live up to the Media's Racism that all 'Blonde-White-Males' are Evil.
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Reply #47 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:39pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 6:12pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
I listened to that 60 Minutes segment about Bryant's mother. It seems that Bryant did confess. He pleaded not guilty at trial. But, he was persuaded to change his plea, to avoid a costly trial.


He confessed to the police when he thought the camera was off.

Watch the video and see for yourself:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1271617/Martin-Bryant-admits-guilt-...


I posted up a link to that "Sunday Night" program where the police interview of Martin Bryant was shown in snippets. Even without the context of the whole interview, Martin Bryant comes off as unremorseful and oblivious to the impact of what he committed. I could imagine Bryant just having a blank facial expression (perhaps with some determination of what he was doing) as he shot the people in the cafe.
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Reply #48 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:53pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 11:42am:

One thing for sure. Martin Bryant was just trying to live up to the Media's Racism that all 'Blonde-White-Males' are Evil.


One thing is for sure: In the last 28 years, you have not bothered to do a generalised research on Martin Bryant's act and his psychological profile, despite the plethora of information on Bryant.

Bryant was trying to commit suicide by authority. He wanted to be remembered. And he was too much of a psychopath to care about being remembered for doing something positive. He was going to go out in a blaze of glory for doing something, that many people would consider, insane.

The book I am reading: "Born or Bred? -- Martin Bryant: the making of a mass murderer" by Robert Wainwright & Paola Totaro. I have gotten two chapters into the book. I already have a good understanding of what went on. Please find a copy, even if it is online pdf and have a read.

There was no "trying to live up to" some media stereotype. Martin knew he was not liked. He just wanted to end it all. The thing is, he should have instead just gone into the garage and shot his brains out with that phukking AR-15.
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Reply #49 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:12pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:53pm:
Jasin wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 11:42am:

One thing for sure. Martin Bryant was just trying to live up to the Media's Racism that all 'Blonde-White-Males' are Evil.


One thing is for sure: In the last 28 years, you have not bothered to do a generalised research on Martin Bryant's act and his psychological profile, despite the plethora of information on Bryant.

Bryant was trying to commit suicide by authority. He wanted to be remembered. And he was too much of a psychopath to care about being remembered for doing something positive. He was going to go out in a blaze of glory for doing something, that many people would consider, insane.

The book I am reading: "Born or Bred? -- Martin Bryant: the making of a mass murderer" by Robert Wainwright & Paola Totaro. I have gotten two chapters into the book. I already have a good understanding of what went on. Please find a copy, even if it is online pdf and have a read.

There was no "trying to live up to" some media stereotype. Martin knew he was not liked. He just wanted to end it all. The thing is, he should have instead just gone into the garage and shot his brains out with that phukking AR-15.


Be fascinating to see their sources for all this.......
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Reply #50 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:15pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 6:12pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
I listened to that 60 Minutes segment about Bryant's mother. It seems that Bryant did confess. He pleaded not guilty at trial. But, he was persuaded to change his plea, to avoid a costly trial.


He confessed to the police when he thought the camera was off.

Watch the video and see for yourself:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1271617/Martin-Bryant-admits-guilt-...


I posted up a link to that "Sunday Night" program where the police interview of Martin Bryant was shown in snippets. Even without the context of the whole interview, Martin Bryant comes off as unremorseful and oblivious to the impact of what he committed. I could imagine Bryant just having a blank facial expression (perhaps with some determination of what he was doing) as he shot the people in the cafe.


A guy with a near moron IQ?  Are you kidding?

"In an examination after the massacre, forensic psychologist Ian Joblin found Bryant to be borderline mentally disabled with an I.Q. of 66, equivalent to an 11-year-old."


I'm surprised he could handle any firearm... maintain it so it didn't jam etc... these are not simple weapons to handle and maintain and clean.
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Reply #51 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:19pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 2:56pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 7:27am:
Martin Bryant

'...One minute I'm eating my Trevally and peas.

The next minute the room's full of dead people.'


That is an interesting thing to say when you are having a meal. He was in a room full of dead people. And it shocked Bryant so little that he could finish his meal, and walk out of the cafe and get arrested by police at the site of a burning guest house. Then Martin could laugh during an interview and smile most of the way through it.


so he's supposed to have killed the guest house owners and then returned there and set it alight?

IQ 66 .... hmmm ... he'd hardly know WTF they were talking about in an interview.
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Reply #52 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:25pm
 
Hmm - a review says the book is poorly written and tendentious and lacking in real detail and verity... so to speak...

Yeah well... hey - I've got a book in GoodReads!!  It's one of a series - the one I hate but they all love!!
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Reply #53 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:36pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:12pm:
Be fascinating to see their sources for all this.......


I just checked the book. No sources.
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Reply #54 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 10:02pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:15pm:
A guy with a near moron IQ?  Are you kidding?

"In an examination after the massacre, forensic psychologist Ian Joblin found Bryant to be borderline mentally disabled with an I.Q. of 66, equivalent to an 11-year-old."


I'm surprised he could handle any firearm... maintain it so it didn't jam etc... these are not simple weapons to handle and maintain and clean.


If you have handled weapons for a while, there is no reason why your IQ needs to be average or better to be able to maintain and use. Even a simpleton can load and fire an AR-15.

I have fired pistols at age 8. I fired a .303 at age 17. I have fired automatic weapons before I turned 30. I am no idiot. But, if Martin Bryant can load, fire and maintain weapons, he would have learned how to do this over time.

For someone with nothing better to do, Bryant would have had ample time to learn how to shoot. Even if it took him 3 or 4 times longer to learn how to use a semi automatic than any other adult, Bryant would have learned how.

Geez, Grappler... you make it sound like Bryant was not involved in the massacre.
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Reply #55 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 10:25pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:19pm:
so he's supposed to have killed the guest house owners and then returned there and set it alight?

IQ 66 .... hmmm ... he'd hardly know WTF they were talking about in an interview.


Have a read of the link I will provide, after this quote:

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Mr Bryant was an oversensitive individual who attributed aggression and malevolence to many of those around him. This in my opinion is not as a result of persecutory delusions or of morbid experiences, but a product of the very real rejection and distain which Mr Bryant has experienced through much of his life, largely as a result of his intellectual limitation and his peculiarities of personality. Mr Bryant is a selfabsorbed individual, with a markedly egocentric view of the world. He has high expectations of others and a sense of entitlement which are both constantly being disappointed. The disappointment of his hopes is usually explained by Mr Bryant in terms of the insensitivity and illwill of others.

In my opinion though Mr Bryant was clearly a distressed and disturbed young man he was not mentally ill. There is no evidence to support the notion that this man has a schizophrenic illness. The use of this diagnostic term in association with Mr Bryant by Dr Mather and Dr McCartney was based on the report of Mrs Bryant who had clearly misunderstood the opinion of Dr Cunningham-Dax. She had come to the conclusion that her son had been diagnosed with this condition. Neither Dr Sale, Dr Lucas nor myself found evidence in Mr Bryant of his ever having had schizophrenia. Similarly, in my opinion, he does not have evidence for a major depressive disorder. There was nother in his history to suggest that he has ever been manic.

Dr Sale, in his report of the 6 August 1996, indicates that in his opinion Mr Bryant manifested severe developmental problems during childhood and that he could be regarded as having shown a mixture of conduct disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity and a rare condition known as Asperger's Syndrome. I am in agreement with Dr Sale that the records indicate that Mr Bryant was grossly disturbed from early childhood. He can certainly be fitted within the criteria for conduct disorder, but all this amounts to in the diagnostic manual is a list of a range of aggressive destructive and deceitful behaviors during childhood and as such does not advance understanding to any degree. Asperger's Syndrome is a condition which could explain some of the abnormalities in Mr Bryant and in noting this possibility Dr Sale raises a potentially important question. The section from the text on Forensic Psychiatry convering Asperger's Syndrome appended to his report by Dr Sale though providing a good account of the forensic implications does not adequately describe the critical clinical features (as one of the authors of the chapter I can perhaps be allowed this criticism). Mr Bryant craves the attention of others. He desires relationships but fails to effectively communicate with others unlike the patients with Asperger's who are blandly indifferent to others. Mr Bryant also lacks, in my opinion, the central features of this condition which are repetitive activities, unusual skills with all absorbing obsessive interests and problems with motor coordination. He also showed marked delay in the acquisition of language skills and required remedial therapy for this language deficit which is contrary to the picture found in those with Asperger's Syndrome.


Source: https://cray.apana.org.au/cas/articles/bryant.html#:~:text=In%20February%201984%...

There is nothing to suggest the incapability of carrying out a mass shooting. If Bryant had the intelligence to socialise normally, he would not have the motivation to conduct such a shooting in revenge and the attempt of suicide by proxy.

There seems to be an implication that the witnesses to the massacre are all a bunch of liars. I recall the conspiracy that went about 20 years ago was that some SAS soldier donned a blond wig and went to shoot up the place and made Bryant a scapegoat. I happen to have met probably less than 10 SAS soldiers in my adulthood. Even though their demeanour is battle hardened soldiers and a tough guy outlook, they are not psychotic or even willing to shoot a bunch of Australian civilians. I doubt that the soldiers I have met are people that know anyone in the army psychotic enough to conduct an insane mass shooting against Australian civilians.

Have you ever seen someone get shot, Grappler? I have seen incidents happen, even in town here, that would have you suffer a stroke from the horror of it all. The shooters I have seen have always shown remorse for their actions. Martin Bryant did not show any for his.
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