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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #60 - Apr 26^th, 2024 at 11:31am

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:43am:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 1:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 2:59pm:

Islam is the cause of the conflict -

I agree ban Islam.

If I were "King" of the world, I'd ban all religions.

Religions—all of them—have caused more deaths
than WWI and WWII combined.

Actually, the one ideology that has killed more people than any is atheist.

Mere assertion; everyone in areas of the former Roman empire from Constantine on - and later, the Islamic empire - was a believer of one stripe another.

Do you know the number killed in wars in that period, before the enlightenment - and Marx - established atheism as permissible? ("Religion is the opiate of the the people").

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There is nothing more dangerous than someone who wants to control what you think, and who sincerely believes they are doing it for your own good.

Maybe, but what naturally competive, self-interested individuals want to think might also prove problematic, when a majority are only thinking about themselves.

"All must submit to rule of law, for all to be free": Cicero.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict Reply #61 - Apr 26^th, 2024 at 11:48am The CCP managed to starve 50 million people to death with a single "administrative error". Between them, China and Russia have an enormous death toll.
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Reply #62 - Apr 26^th, 2024 at 12:26pm

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2024 at 11:48am:

The CCP managed to starve 50 million people to death with a single "administrative error". Between them, China and Russia have an enormous death toll.

Er.....you forgot to answer the post to which you imagined you were replying, repeated here for your convenience:

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There is nothing more dangerous than someone who wants to control what you think, and who sincerely believes they are doing it for your own good.

TGD: Maybe, but what naturally competive, self-interested individuals want to think might also prove problematic, when a majority are only thinking about themselves.

"All must submit to rule of law, for all to be free": Cicero.

So of course you divert to Mao's failures; do you really want to compare Russia and China under Stalin and Mao with the death toll from 2000 years of religious conflict?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict Reply #63 - Apr 26^th, 2024 at 12:48pm Another way to put it: the only thing more dangerous than a Nazi trying to exterminate you is a communist trying to help you.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101432 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict Reply #64 - Apr 26^th, 2024 at 2:01pm Muslims? This article nails the cause of our problems - the stabbing attack in a Sydney church, censorship and mass immigration: https://richardsonpost.com/davidhiscox/35739/australia-is-an-unsuccessful-multic...
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Reply #65 - Apr 26^th, 2024 at 4:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2024 at 2:01pm:

Muslims?

This article nails the cause of our problems -
the stabbing attack in a Sydney church, censorship and mass immigration:

https://richardsonpost.com/davidhiscox/35739/australia-is-an-unsuccessful-multic...

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With religious and ethnic diversity – and hence genuine religious freedom – vanishing in the Muslim countries, while Australia’s diversity inexorably rises, our much vaunted multiculturalism cannot be an excuse for tolerating a fanaticism that, still today, so readily morphs into murder.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40526 Gender:	Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict Reply #66 - Apr 26^th, 2024 at 5:21pm islam is involved in almost all conflicts they are the common denominator
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Reply #67 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:06pm

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2024 at 12:48pm:

Another way to put it: the only thing more dangerous than a Nazi trying to exterminate you is a communist trying to help you.

Wrong, mainstream neoclassical, freemarket orthodoxy is at least as dangerous; and you need to cite "communist" policies you have in mind.

One thing for certain: free markets create winners and losers, and entrench poverty, whereas current CCP policy is aiming to achieve common prosperity by mid-century.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12205 Gender:	Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict Reply #68 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:11pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 26^th, 2024 at 5:21pm: islam is involved in almost all conflicts they are the common denominator And Islam is based on the OT prophets of 'the One True God' (who authorized genocide) .... we have a problem....
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Reply #69 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 26^th, 2024 at 5:21pm:

islam is involved in almost all conflicts

they are the common denominator

And Islam is based on the OT prophets of 'the One True God' (who authorized genocide) .... we have a problem....

BINGO!
Even Islam is the Jews' fault!! Cheesy

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Reply #70 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:54pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:38pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 26^th, 2024 at 5:21pm:

islam is involved in almost all conflicts

they are the common denominator

And Islam is based on the OT prophets of 'the One True God' (who authorized genocide) .... we have a problem....

BINGO!
Even Islam is the Jews' fault!! Cheesy

Correct.

Muhammad should have looked East to the old Persian religion for inspiration re the "One True God", namely Ahura Mazda; a good God as opposed to "jealous Jehovah"....

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Reply #71 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 4:12pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:38pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 26^th, 2024 at 5:21pm:

islam is involved in almost all conflicts

they are the common denominator

And Islam is based on the OT prophets of 'the One True God' (who authorized genocide) .... we have a problem....

BINGO!
Even Islam is the Jews' fault!! Cheesy

Correct.

Muhammad should have looked East to the old Persian religion for inspiration re the "One True God", namely Ahura Mazda; a good God as opposed to "jealous Jehovah"....

The Jews didn't let Mohammed look for a good Mazda. They MADE him come up with the ridiculous, stupid mish-mash of Islam insted of giving him a government job with a guaranteed above poverty wage. We'd have common prosperity by now. But no, the Jews HAD TO make Mohammed into a priapic warlord and made him imagine he was the final prophet of the Moon God Allah.

Oy- vey!!

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Reply #72 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 5:18pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 4:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:38pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 26^th, 2024 at 5:21pm:

islam is involved in almost all conflicts

they are the common denominator

And Islam is based on the OT prophets of 'the One True God' (who authorized genocide) .... we have a problem....

BINGO!
Even Islam is the Jews' fault!! Cheesy

Correct.

Muhammad should have looked East to the old Persian religion for inspiration re the "One True God", namely Ahura Mazda; a good God as opposed to "jealous Jehovah"....

The Jews didn't let Mohammed look for a good Mazda.

Wrong of course; he was responsible for adopting the ancient bronze age "jealous" god of the Jews.

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They MADE him come up with the ridiculous, stupid mish-mash of Islam insted of giving him a government job with a guaranteed above poverty wage.

Wrong again.... no explanation needed for your error
this time......

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We'd have common prosperity by now.

Not necessarily....

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But no, the Jews HAD TO make Mohammed into a priapic warlord and made him imagine he was the final prophet of the Moon God Allah.

Oy- vey!!

Wrong again, M had free will to choose a scripture, or revelation, for his new One True God religion for the Arabs. Apart from the accident of hearing the tales of the the OT prophets, and going with their revelations.

btw, Judaism (ie, the OT scripture) only survives today because Constantine adopted Christianity in the 4th century AD, along with the OT - because many Christian converts were Jews who demanded the Jewish 'bible' be retained as a prologue to the Christian Bible, given that Jesus often referred to OT law (though Marcion rejected the OT entirely, as being antithetical to a religion of the "Prince of Peace").

Remember too, Cyrus the Great, following the good God of Zoroastrianism, 'A. Mazda' (sic), freed the Jews from the Babylonian captivity. Modern Islam would have been completely different with a mazda....

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Reply #73 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 5:45pm

I don't understand how there can be an all knowing "God" and "free will". How can an all knowing God, whom genuinely knows everything before during and after, exist without knowing every decision before you make it? The entity knows everything, therefore your future decisions are not excluded from that and known. In fact all future "actions" of every existing "thing" are already known by an "All Knowing God". lIf all your future decisions are already known, by any entity, then there is no actual "Free Will", it's already mapped and known. Unless of course even "God" doesn't actually know everything!! That of course raises all sorts of entertaining possibilities. I mean perhaps humans really were created in a particular "Gods" image just as "they" say and rather than being perfect and all-knowing, that "God" is imperfect and still learning!!!! Wink

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Reply #74 - Apr 29^th, 2024 at 6:00pm

goosecat wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 5:45pm:

I don't understand how there can be an all knowing "God" and "free will".

I think we have to accept 'God' can grant free will to men, without God knowing the outcome.

If this universe doesn't progress, God can always create another one.

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How can an all knowing God, whom genuinely knows everything before during and after, exist without knowing every decision before you make it?

Yes, that's a contradiction.

Perhaps God is concerned to see if good can triumph over evil, in a conscious 'flesh and blood' world.

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