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Reply #45 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 1:07pm
 

I think it's the End Times -
the final battle is at Armageddon in Israel
according to the Bible.
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Reply #46 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 1:11pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 1:07pm:
I think it's the End Times -
the final battle is at Armageddon in Israel
according to the Bible.


Translation: GOBBLE GOBBLE PER-KURK!!! Tongue
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Reply #47 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 12:58pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 6:52am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Aren't Muslims allowed to express a political opinion, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Do you consider scaring the Jews off the streets of Sydney, so they could not collectively mourn all the Jews slaughtered by other Muslim terrorists, to be merely "expressing an opinion" Brian?


Do you consider scaring the Muslims off the streets of Sydney, so they could not collectively protest Israeli excesses and Palestinians slaughtered by Israeli soldiers, to be merely, "expressing an opinion", Freediver because that is what you other islamophobes are saying?


You are confused Brian. Why are you always so eager to support Muslims when they carry on like this?

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/andrew-bolt/jewish-community-warned-to-avoid-opera-house-while-propalestine-rally-takes-place/video/a956a4b370abd3ee189bdca5b7b21b7f

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Jewish community warned to avoid Opera House while pro-Palestine rally takes place

Australian Jewish Association President David Adler says the Jewish community has been warned to stay away from Sydney’s CBD tonight over the risk of being identified as Jewish in front of pro-Palestinian protestors.

Mr Adler said an email was sent to the Jewish community warning them to stay out of the city of Sydney.

“We’ve seen one or two Jewish people who turned up early, who have been taken away by police because they carried an Israeli flag,” Mr Adler told Sky News host Andrew Bolt.

“An email went around to the Jewish community warning us to stay out of the city of Sydney tonight, to stay away from the Town Hall area, to stay away from the Opera House area.

“We would be at risk if we were identified as Jewish in Sydney.”
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Reply #48 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:48pm
 
They are not happy in Gaza.
They are not happy in Egypt.
They are not happy in Libya.
They are not happy in Morocco.
They are not happy in Iran.
They are not happy in Iraq.
They are not happy in Yemen.
They are not happy in Afghanistan.
They are not happy in Pakistan.
They are not happy in Syria.
They are not happy in Lebanon.

SO WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They are happy in Australia.
They are happy in Canada.
They are happy in England.
They are happy in France.
They are happy in Italy.
They are happy in Germany.
They are happy in Sweden.
They are happy in the USA.
They are happy in Norway.
They are happy in Holland.
They are happy in Denmark.

Basically they are happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is.

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not Islam. Not their leadership.Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN.
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Reply #49 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 11:15pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 6:52am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Aren't Muslims allowed to express a political opinion, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Do you consider scaring the Jews off the streets of Sydney, so they could not collectively mourn all the Jews slaughtered by other Muslim terrorists, to be merely "expressing an opinion" Brian?

You may've missed my question directed at you mate.

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I'd also be interested in exactly which global and/or
territorial wars have been fought in the name of, or for
the cause of atheism.     Half a dozen will do.


   Or are you maybe unable to think of any?    Wink



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Reply #50 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:25am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 11:15pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 6:52am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Aren't Muslims allowed to express a political opinion, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Do you consider scaring the Jews off the streets of Sydney, so they could not collectively mourn all the Jews slaughtered by other Muslim terrorists, to be merely "expressing an opinion" Brian?

You may've missed my question directed at you mate.

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I'd also be interested in exactly which global and/or
territorial wars have been fought in the name of, or for
the cause of atheism.     Half a dozen will do.


   Or are you maybe unable to think of any?    Wink





Lemme see:

1789 French revolution and subsequent Jacobin terror and Napoleonic wars
1871 French Commune
1917 Russian revolution and subsequent civil war and Stalinist terror
Communist take-overs in a number of countries after 1945
Chinese civil war and subsequent Maoist terror and  Cultural Revolution
Vietnamese civil war between North and South
Cambodian civil war and Pol Pot terror
Shining Path's "People's War" and all sorts of other guerilla wars by communists



Will these do?

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Reply #51 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 8:28am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 11:15pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 6:52am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Aren't Muslims allowed to express a political opinion, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Do you consider scaring the Jews off the streets of Sydney, so they could not collectively mourn all the Jews slaughtered by other Muslim terrorists, to be merely "expressing an opinion" Brian?

You may've missed my question directed at you mate.

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I'd also be interested in exactly which global and/or
territorial wars have been fought in the name of, or for
the cause of atheism.     Half a dozen will do.


   Or are you maybe unable to think of any?    Wink





Communism.
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #52 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:28am
 
Islam Downgraded To Religion Of Mostly Peace
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #53 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:33pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 12:58pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 6:52am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Aren't Muslims allowed to express a political opinion, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Do you consider scaring the Jews off the streets of Sydney, so they could not collectively mourn all the Jews slaughtered by other Muslim terrorists, to be merely "expressing an opinion" Brian?


Do you consider scaring the Muslims off the streets of Sydney, so they could not collectively protest Israeli excesses and Palestinians slaughtered by Israeli soldiers, to be merely, "expressing an opinion", Freediver because that is what you other islamophobes are saying?

Hamas Islamists murdered, raped, beheaded Jewish civilians on Saturday. You are excusing them, spineless worm.
You are siding with Hamas who prevented Jews from mourning their dead in Sydney and staged a supporting rally for the murdering, raping savages for Allah. You are like them, despicable worm, spineless apologist for terrorism and murder, ya drooling shite.
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Reply #54 - Oct 13th, 2023 at 12:05am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:25am:
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 11:15pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 6:52am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Aren't Muslims allowed to express a political opinion, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Do you consider scaring the Jews off the streets of Sydney, so they could not collectively mourn all the Jews slaughtered by other Muslim terrorists, to be merely "expressing an opinion" Brian?

You may've missed my question directed at you mate.

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I'd also be interested in exactly which global and/or
territorial wars have been fought in the name of, or for
the cause of atheism.     Half a dozen will do.


   Or are you maybe unable to think of any?    Wink





Lemme see:

1789 French revolution and subsequent Jacobin terror and Napoleonic wars
1871 French Commune
1917 Russian revolution and subsequent civil war and Stalinist terror
Communist take-overs in a number of countries after 1945
Chinese civil war and subsequent Maoist terror and  Cultural Revolution
Vietnamese civil war between North and South
Cambodian civil war and Pol Pot terror
Shining Path's "People's War" and all sorts of other guerilla wars by communists

Will these do?

Nope.  None originated or were catalysed solely
in the cause of atheism or in the name of atheism.

You'll have to try harder.    Cool


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Reply #55 - Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:20am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 12:05am:
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:25am:
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 11:15pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 6:52am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Aren't Muslims allowed to express a political opinion, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Do you consider scaring the Jews off the streets of Sydney, so they could not collectively mourn all the Jews slaughtered by other Muslim terrorists, to be merely "expressing an opinion" Brian?

You may've missed my question directed at you mate.

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I'd also be interested in exactly which global and/or
territorial wars have been fought in the name of, or for
the cause of atheism.     Half a dozen will do.


   Or are you maybe unable to think of any?    Wink





Lemme see:

1789 French revolution and subsequent Jacobin terror and Napoleonic wars
1871 French Commune
1917 Russian revolution and subsequent civil war and Stalinist terror
Communist take-overs in a number of countries after 1945
Chinese civil war and subsequent Maoist terror and  Cultural Revolution
Vietnamese civil war between North and South
Cambodian civil war and Pol Pot terror
Shining Path's "People's War" and all sorts of other guerilla wars by communists

Will these do?

Nope.  None originated or were catalysed solely
in the cause of atheism or in the name of atheism.

You'll have to try harder.    Cool




And yet atheist causes have still killed more people than any other, despite their historical rarity. The fact that they can't even be bothered giving an excuse doesn't really take away from that.

The fact that you are so eager to repeat the mistakes of the past just shows how dangerous atheist causes can be. You are so smugly assured of your own righteousness that you think nothing of demanding that atheism be imposed on everyone else for their own good. That's when the killing starts. If any other ideologue even hinted at what you do, they would be howled down as a dangerous extremist, yet when atheists do it it they somehow manage to convince themselves it is entirely normal.
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Reply #56 - Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:04am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 12:05am:
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:25am:
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 11:15pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 6:52am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:08pm:
Aren't Muslims allowed to express a political opinion, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Do you consider scaring the Jews off the streets of Sydney, so they could not collectively mourn all the Jews slaughtered by other Muslim terrorists, to be merely "expressing an opinion" Brian?

You may've missed my question directed at you mate.

Quote:
I'd also be interested in exactly which global and/or
territorial wars have been fought in the name of, or for
the cause of atheism.     Half a dozen will do.


   Or are you maybe unable to think of any?    Wink





Lemme see:

1789 French revolution and subsequent Jacobin terror and Napoleonic wars
1871 French Commune
1917 Russian revolution and subsequent civil war and Stalinist terror
Communist take-overs in a number of countries after 1945
Chinese civil war and subsequent Maoist terror and  Cultural Revolution
Vietnamese civil war between North and South
Cambodian civil war and Pol Pot terror
Shining Path's "People's War" and all sorts of other guerilla wars by communists

Will these do?

Nope.  None originated or were catalysed solely
in the cause of atheism or in the name of atheism.

You'll have to try harder.    Cool




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Cute attempt to smuggle in that little word, Guff.

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Reply #57 - Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:08am
 
Apparently if an atheist happens to be angry about something other than religion at the same time he is slaughtering religious people, it has nothing to do with Atheism.
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Reply #58 - Oct 13th, 2023 at 11:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:20am:
...And yet atheist causes have still killed more people than any other, despite their historical rarity. The fact that they can't even be bothered giving an excuse doesn't really take away from that.

To support that claim, you'll need to provide verifiable
citations
.  I couldn't find any confirmatory references.
At any rate you're (deliberately?) missing the point that
I was making—that religion and its cause has, historically,
started more wars (which are still ongoing today) than
any supposed atheistic cause.

Name me one current war raging today whereby one
group of atheists is fighting another group of atheists.
You can't, because it's never happened.

freediver wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:20am:
The fact that you are so eager to repeat the mistakes of the past just shows how dangerous atheist causes can be.

Once again—based on this comment—as I suggested
earlier, atheism does not have an enabling "cause". 
It's nothing more than a personal state of mind held
by an individual.  There is no "group-think" or doctrine
or book of rules, or places of worshipful gatherings, or
"wise men" telling us what to do with our lives.           

freediver wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:20am:
You are so smugly assured of your own righteousness that you think nothing of demanding that atheism be imposed on everyone else for their own good.

Well, being "smug"—or not—about one's state of mind
really has nothing to do with this argument.  Good try
at slipping in an ad hominem though LOL.

Anyway... no atheist, including me, would ever
"demand" that atheism be "imposed" on everyone. 
We don't offer absurd public "prayers" during national
tragedies, or "pray" for children afflicted with cancer,
or knock on people's doors trying to convince them
that "God is the way".  Even the Australian parliament
still has the antiquated, irrelevant, so-called "Lord's
Prayer" recited at its every opening session!  Welcome
back to the 1600s!

freediver wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 8:20am:
That's when the killing starts. If any other ideologue even hinted at what you do, they would be howled down as a dangerous extremist, yet when atheists do it it they somehow manage to convince themselves it is entirely normal.

I'm afraid I have no idea what you mean by this.  Can
you clarify further what the "at what you do" claim means?

It's the Catholics, the Protestants, the Muslims, the
Jews, the the Sikhs, and even the  Buddhists who've
initiated numerous wars, driven—of course—by their
religious views, and attempts to overthrow and/or
abolish opposing religions.

So, again, can you name me even one single war started
solely in the name of, or for the cause of atheism?


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Wakeley is merely Islam’s latest attack against Christianity


The guilt or innocence of the 16-year-old accused of stabbing Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel and three others at Wakeley’s Assyrian Church of Christ the Good Shepherd last week will ultimately be tested in court, as will that of any accomplices. But what the incident confirms, were further confirmation needed, is the continued vehemence of Islamism’s hostility to Christianity.

Islamist attacks on churches are scarcely isolated incidents. In France alone there were more than 600 attacks on Christian places of worship in 2020, culminating in the murder of three parishioners at Nice’s Basilica of Notre Dame by an Islamist carrying a Koran.

Meanwhile, violence against Christians remains endemic in the Arab Middle East, where the share of Christians in the population has, over the course of the past century, collapsed from around 14 per cent to barely 3 per cent.

Seen in the longer term, the eradication of Christianity from its regions of birth appears even more starkly. In AD732, when Islam consolidated its hegemony over what later became the Arab lands, Christians were by far the majority of the population in the Oriental patriarchates of Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem, as well as in North Africa.

Now, after centuries of persecution, those ancient churches are becoming an insignificant presence, with their Middle Eastern congregations accounting for less than 1 per cent of Christians worldwide.

Whether that persecution has a clear basis in the Koran is controversial. It is, however, indisputable that the Koran directly condemns Christianity, claiming that Christians “accept two gods”, will not “tolerate you (Muslims) until you follow their religion” and wilfully lie about the Bible.

Moreover, the so-called “verse of the sword” – which, according to many Islamic scholars, abrogates the Koran’s more tolerant affirmations – enjoins Muslims to “slay the idolaters wherever you find them”, sparing them only if they “repent, perform the prayer and pay alms”.

And according to a tradition authoritatively reported by Malik ibn Anas (711-795), the Prophet’s last words were “May God fight the Jews and the Christians! Two religions will not remain in the land of the Arabs.”

It is therefore unsurprising that the Muslim conquest was viewed by Mesopotamian Christians as an apocalyptic disaster, with the first substantial Christian commentary warning that there is “no truth to be found in the so-called prophet, only the shedding of men’s blood”.

The construction of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, with the explicit denunciation of Christian belief in its magnificent gold leaf inscriptions, merely heightened their fears, which were confirmed when sweeping restrictions on Christian worship, along with deliberately humiliating rules of conduct and punitive taxes, were formalised in the mid-9th century.
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After increasing in each decade, that violence reached a peak in the period immediately prior to, during and just after the short-lived rule of the Hamas-affiliated Muslim Brotherhood, when at least 150 Copts were murdered, many thousands rendered homeless, and Coptic churches and monasteries stormed – with 64 churches being attacked, and 23 incinerated, in a single day.

It is therefore unsurprising that 100,000 Copts fled Egypt between March and September 2011 alone; and since then the haemorrhage has continued, as have the murders, the kidnappings, rapes and forced conversions of young women, the destruction of homes and the coerced evacuations of Coptic villages.

Nor is that pattern confined to Egypt: its latest manifestation is the expulsion from their ancestral home of Karabakh’s entire Christian population, and the demolition of one of the Caucasus’s most iconic churches, by the Muslim government of Azerbaijan – all without a peep being heard from our keffiyeh-touting protesters.
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Bernard Lewis famously stated some years ago that “for Christians and Muslims alike, tolerance is a new virtue and intolerance a new crime”. The great historian was only half right: Christianity has changed, but tolerance has scarcely made its mark in the Islamic world, and when it has, it has invariably struggled. With religious and ethnic diversity – and hence genuine religious freedom – vanishing in the Muslim countries, while Australia’s diversity inexorably rises, our much vaunted multiculturalism cannot be an excuse for tolerating a fanaticism that, still today, so readily morphs into murder.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/wakeley-is-merely-islams-latest-attack-against-christianity/news-story/adf8bbb63d2669b2d221e5cca7a2abdd

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