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Kowledge of 'god' is the product of the human mind
Jun 14^th, 2021 at 4:52pm

"The apprehension of 'god' is the product of the human mind..."

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:40am:

The apprehension of 'god' is the product of the human mind such that the definition of 'god' or 'god's purpose' merely serves humanity's needs through, ultimately, convenient characterisations of the 'will of the ineffable'.

The only true (and honest) statement regarding the ineffable is to know that you cannot know it.

Worship doubt and act well.

North,

I agree with you, to a point.

The existence of 'God' [in my experience] isn't merely a belief, that exists, only 'in the mind' of men,
or of a man.

But HE is almost unknowable, because the spirit of God [the 'purity' of God] is so far above the carnal man, the natural man, that such men cannot know or perceive Him, with their puny human intellect.

I cannot know or perceive Him, with my puny human intellect.

And yet, when i read HIS WORD, i know HIM.

And i [choose to] love HIM, and i [choose to] love HIS WORD. ...because to me, it is clear, that such knowledge teaches me, 'THE way', in which i should try to walk in this life.

And even in my weakness, in 'my walk', i know that my God helps me.

I know that i won't convince you.

No one, is able to convince another, of such things.

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I LOVE HIS WORD......

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

1 Chronicles 28:9
And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

Psalms 51:10
Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Psalms 5:4
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Malachi 3:7
...Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts....

James 4:8
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you....

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Jeremiah 15:19
Therefore thus saith the LORD, If thou return, then will I bring thee again, and thou shalt stand before me: and if thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth: let them return unto thee; but return not thou unto them.

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

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What the spirit of God wants us to know and to understand, it is all there, in God's WORD.

....and it is what Jesus taught.

The spirit of God urges, men to repent [their mistakes in this life], and to seek HIM.

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Matthew 6:33
.....seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness....

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39222 Gender:	Re: Kowledge of 'god' is the product of the human mind Reply #1 - Jun 14^th, 2021 at 4:58pm Quote: I know that i won't convince you. No one, is able to convince another, of such things. Correct, so stop shovelling this frogshit.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22240 A cat with a view	Re: Kowledge of 'god' is the product of the human mind Reply #2 - Jun 14^th, 2021 at 5:09pm Aussie wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 4:58pm: Quote: I know that i won't convince you. No one, is able to convince another, of such things. Correct, so stop shovelling this frogshit. [smiles. shakes his head.]
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Re: Kowledge of 'god' is the product of the human mind
Reply #3 - Jun 14^th, 2021 at 5:11pm

Reposted:

The apprehension of 'god' is the product of the human mind such that the definition of 'god' or 'god's purpose' merely serves humanity's needs through, ultimately, convenient characterisations of the 'will of the ineffable'.

The only true (and honest) statement regarding the ineffable is to know that you cannot know it.

Worship doubt and act well.

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Reply #4 - Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:34pm

I will let this thread remain as it can be philosophy.

"Knowledge of 'god' is the product of the human mind"

This I agree with. It is the product and invention of the human mind irrelevant if a GOD exists or not.

We invented the GOD or gods for political control of the masses and to explain what we couldn't explain.

Our knowledge is what was invented, shaped, manipulated, changed over time and passed down to those that couldn't invest one for themselves.

I have knowledge of Santa. This was passed to me like all collective knowledge accumulated over time.
My knowledge of fairies is limited but I am knowledgeable about vampires.

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Reply #5 - Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:40pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 5:11pm:

Reposted:

The apprehension of 'god' is the product of the human mind such that the definition of 'god' or 'god's purpose' merely serves humanity's needs through, ultimately, convenient characterisations of the 'will of the ineffable'.

The only true (and honest) statement regarding the ineffable is to know that you cannot know it.

Worship doubt and act well.

Worship doubt and act well.

I was under the misapprehension, that 'the creed of the individual' which is a guide to most atheists today, is;

'If it feels good, do it !'

....or, unrestrained hedonism.

???

'Act well ?'

Look at the present world that we have made [....through all of our 'act well' choices].

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Kowledge of 'god' is the product of the human mind
Reply #7 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 8:50am

Yadda wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:40pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 5:11pm:

Reposted:

The apprehension of 'god' is the product of the human mind such that the definition of 'god' or 'god's purpose' merely serves humanity's needs through, ultimately, convenient characterisations of the 'will of the ineffable'.

The only true (and honest) statement regarding the ineffable is to know that you cannot know it.

Worship doubt and act well.

Worship doubt and act well.

I was under the misapprehension, that 'the creed of the individual' which is a guide to most atheists today, is;

'If it feels good, do it !'

....or, unrestrained hedonism.

'Act well ?'

Look at the present world that we have made [....through all of our 'act well' choices].

You can interpret Worship doubt and act well. as an amalgam of Plato's Socratic ignorance : to know that you don't know and Kant's categorical imperative : “Act only according to that maxim by which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law”.

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Re: Kowledge of 'god' is the product of the human mind
Reply #8 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 1:19pm

Yadda's OP is so convoluted that its a chore to get what he's driving at, other than he believes in God, (whatever that means) which he has told us innumerable times. There is no knowledge of God that can be communicated between people. That is why the Abrahamics demand confirmation of faith on pain of damnation.

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Reply #9 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 1:27pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 1:19pm:

Yadda's OP is so convoluted that its a chore to get what he's driving at, other than he believes in God, (whatever that means) which he has told us innumerable times. There is no knowledge of God that can be communicated between people. That is why the Abrahamics demand confirmation of faith on pain of damnation.

So like every other OP he makes.

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Super Nova Moderator Offline Posts: 3081 Everywhere Gender:	Re: Kowledge of 'god' is the product of the human mind Reply #10 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 4:06pm I don't believe he believes in god. He never discusses it like a true god botherer. It is more a technique to troll for a response and get a giggle.
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Reply #11 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 4:09pm

Super Nova wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 4:06pm:

I don't believe he believes in god.

He never discusses it like a true god botherer. It is more a technique to troll for a response and get a giggle.

No, he believes in 'god' alright... He just needs to define what he means by 'god'... As we all do, if we believe.

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Reply #12 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 4:23pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 4:09pm:

Super Nova wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 4:06pm:

I don't believe he believes in god.

He never discusses it like a true god botherer. It is more a technique to troll for a response and get a giggle.

No, he believes in 'god' alright... He just needs to define what he means by 'god'... As we all do, if we believe.

Define what is "meant by God" should be hard for a true believer. Well at least what it/she/him/entity/Q means to them if they believe in a personal god.

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Reply #14 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 5:05pm

Super Nova wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 4:23pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 4:09pm:

Super Nova wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 4:06pm:

I don't believe he believes in god.

He never discusses it like a true god botherer. It is more a technique to troll for a response and get a giggle.

No, he believes in 'god' alright... He just needs to define what he means by 'god'... As we all do, if we believe.

Define what is "meant by God" should be hard for a true believer. Well at least what it/she/him/entity/Q means to them if they believe in a personal god.

A personal god cannot be a one god.

Monotheists don't have a concept of a personal god.

Christians since Paul have a personal saviour not a personal god.

However, Constantine was having none of it...Hence the Nicaean Creed
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