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Reply #75 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:34pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
FD's line here seems to be to pretend the worst thing that happened to Yasminn was that she was called an idiot.


Yeah, it's not like she said people who insult the prophet should be beheaded.  Cos that would be OK. 

Free speech innit. 



What does that have to do with Yassmin?


Apologists like yourself will defend free speech but only from one direction. 


that's ridiculous.

Would you like to try again? Or just recount your statement?



Did you mean recant dopey?
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Reply #76 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:29pm:
She got herself into a fight and got punched in the face as a result. No sympathy from me. She would have caused that man serious injury if he had not punched her in the face. She is part of a movement that consciously uses violence and intimidation to silence their opposition.


Yes. So she deserved all of those threats of rape and death, her work details, home details, family details and nude photos published all over the internet with express instruction to do her harm?

Much like Yassmin has received? Should know threats of graphic theats of sexual violence and death are to be expected, rrrright? Boys will be boys, after all.

Pfffft. Uppity women , hey?
Justice Minister Michael Keenan said it was the 13th alleged conspiracy thwarted since the terror threat level was raised to "probable" in 2014.

Since that time, a total of 70 people have faced charges as a result of 31 operations.


And you wonder why people don't like Yasmin's  mouth??
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Reply #77 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
Of course.


And yet you apparently have no freedom of speech concern with the way Yassmin Abdel-Magied was treated?


I do not think it is even possible to get that woman to shut up. She puts her foot in it every time she opens her mouth, so I doubt she is self censoring. So no, I am not particularly concerned. Are you? Which aspects of her treatment in particular worry you?


What aspects? Well the whole threatening to rape her thing for a start. You apparently don't think its a problem because it just happened that the threats didn't cause her to self censor.

But what concerns me even more is that it seems to be whenever a tinted muslim woman in a headscarf speaks out, we get the same routine of a) gang rape threats and b) high shrill demands for her to be deported. In this case it might not have caused her to self-censor (though she did promptly delete her tweet and apologised), but it might be a different story for others.

But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards. Case in point - in 2015 when a liberal MP did exactly what Yasminn was accused and given rape threats for - politicising ANZAC day, by making a crass comment about veterans benefiting from negative gearing. Did he get death threats, rape threats and calls for his deportation? Of course not. There was barely a whimper about it, and of course the MP didn't lose his job over it (he was a minister at the time). Bullying against those who speak up against racism and bigotry is always worse when the speaker is a woman - but its a whole different level when its a tinted woman and especially a hijabi. For some strange reason, the gang rape threats seem to go into overdrive against these women. Yasminn's ANZAC tweet saga has, if nothing else, shone a much needed light on this shameful aspect of our society.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #78 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy
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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Reply #79 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:38pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
FD's line here seems to be to pretend the worst thing that happened to Yasminn was that she was called an idiot.


Yeah, it's not like she said people who insult the prophet should be beheaded.  Cos that would be OK. 

Free speech innit. 


What on earth are you blubbering about?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #80 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:39pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
FD's line here seems to be to pretend the worst thing that happened to Yasminn was that she was called an idiot.


Yeah, it's not like she said people who insult the prophet should be beheaded.  Cos that would be OK. 

Free speech innit. 



What does that have to do with Yassmin?


Apologists like yourself will defend free speech but only from one direction. 


that's ridiculous.

Would you like to try again? Or just recount your statement?



Did you mean recant dopey?



Yes i did, thank you. Damn auto-correct. I had it on because i was in Word. I'll turn it off.
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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
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Reply #81 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:39pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy
I bet you weren't crying when Pauline Hanson copped all that s hit for her comments??
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Reply #82 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:41pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:39pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy
I bet you weren't crying when Pauline Hanson copped all that s hit for her comments??



Pauline Hanson has said a great deal more with a great many fewer consequences.
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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
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Reply #83 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:41pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:39pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
FD's line here seems to be to pretend the worst thing that happened to Yasminn was that she was called an idiot.


Yeah, it's not like she said people who insult the prophet should be beheaded.  Cos that would be OK. 

Free speech innit. 



What does that have to do with Yassmin?


Apologists like yourself will defend free speech but only from one direction. 


that's ridiculous.

Would you like to try again? Or just recount your statement?



Did you mean recant dopey?



Yes i did, thank you. Damn auto-correct. I had it on because i was in Word. I'll turn it off.
Only after it was brought to her attention.
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Reply #84 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:42pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:39pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy
I bet you weren't crying when Pauline Hanson copped all that s hit for her comments??



Pauline Hanson has said a great deal more with a great many fewer consequences.
Yasmin hasn't been thrown in jail on rubbish charges hey??
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Reply #85 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:43pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:39pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy
I bet you weren't crying when Pauline Hanson copped all that s hit for her comments??



Pauline Hanson has said a great deal more with a great many fewer consequences.
Yasmin hasn't been thrown in jail on rubbish charges hey??


They were rubbish charges?
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Reply #86 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:44pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy


Personally I never did understand what was wrong with the tweet and why it got people into such a lather. Come to think of it, I don't recall hearing any actual diggers object to it either - and indeed I did hear some who supported it. Seems to me it was an astute observation that was very much relevant to the ANZAC theme (all people referenced were victims of war)
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #87 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:45pm
 
I had no problem at all with her tweet.
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Reply #88 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:47pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:39pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy
I bet you weren't crying when Pauline Hanson copped all that s hit for her comments??



Pauline Hanson has said a great deal more with a great many fewer consequences.
Yasmin hasn't been thrown in jail on rubbish charges hey??


They were rubbish charges?
Oh yes. She was acquitted of all charges.
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Reply #89 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
But perhaps the bitterest pill to swallow is the blatant double standards.



are we still pretending it was about the tweet?

Ok then! Cheesy Cheesy


Personally I never did understand what was wrong with the tweet and why it got people into such a lather. Come to think of it, I don't recall hearing any actual diggers object to it either - and indeed I did hear some who supported it. Seems to me it was an astute observation that was very much relevant to the ANZAC theme (all people referenced were victims of war)
What's your opinion on cartoons of the prophet?
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