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Reply #150 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:10pm
 
Cottrel and his associates have been found guilty of making a video mocking terrorists. Gandalf is yet to decide whether such criticism should be banned, but does support bans in towns that are considering building a mosque or are having a broader discussion about Islam.

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Reply #151 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:13pm
 
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Cottrel and his associates have been found guilty of making a video mocking terrorists.

Is that an offence, Effendi?

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Reply #152 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 9:15pm
 
Apparently. But it's the intention that matters, and the context, not what you actually do.
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Reply #153 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
Cottrel and his associates have been found guilty of making a video mocking terrorists.


They weren't FD, as you're well aware I don't doubt.  They were found guilty of making a video mocking Muslims.   There is a difference.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #154 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:29pm
 
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Even if the terrorists they are mocking happen to be Muslims? Are we only allowed to make fun of generic, unidentifiable terrorists now?

Brian do you have the right to criticise other nations and religions? How about the ability to do so?
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Reply #155 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:42pm
 
has anyone seen the videos mocking the Pope or Catholics... Grin Grin....sheez these muslims are a touchy lot are they not.?
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Reply #156 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 11:22am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:29pm:
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There is a difference.


Even if the terrorists they are mocking happen to be Muslims? Are we only allowed to make fun of generic, unidentifiable terrorists now?


Frivolous as usual.   How typical FD.   They were mocking Muslims as a whole.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #157 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 9:34pm
 
And you think that should be illegal?
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Reply #158 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 9:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
Apparently. But it's the intention that matters, and the context, not what you actually do.


Can you refer me to the section of the Act which makes it an offence specifically to make a video mocking terrorists, Effendi?

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Cottrel and his associates have been found guilty of making a video mocking terrorists.



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Reply #159 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 3:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
And you think that should be illegal?


Depends on context, FD.  Time to mature up, instead of subscribing to black and white thinking...   Roll Eyes
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Re: Freedom of Speech for Unpopular People
Reply #160 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 3:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:07pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
Cottrel and his associates have been found guilty of making a video mocking terrorists.


They weren't FD, as you're well aware I don't doubt.  They were found guilty of making a video mocking Muslims.   There is a difference.    Roll Eyes

What is it?


Is every muslim a potential headhacker? That is the only way in which this mocking was of every muslim, not just the crazies.
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Reply #161 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 3:51pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 3:01pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
And you think that should be illegal?


Depends on context, FD.  Time to mature up, instead of subscribing to black and white thinking...   Roll Eyes


How does it depend on context? Must we refrain from mocking terrorists if there is public discussion about building a mosque? Or do you only support the law when Muslims are being protected?

Do you have the right or ability to criticise other religions and other countries?
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Reply #162 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 3:59pm
 
Freedom of Speech for Unpopular People

no such thing as freedom of speech. For anyone.
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Reply #163 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 6:25pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:07pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
Cottrel and his associates have been found guilty of making a video mocking terrorists.


They weren't FD, as you're well aware I don't doubt.  They were found guilty of making a video mocking Muslims.   There is a difference.    Roll Eyes

What is it?


Is every muslim a potential headhacker? That is the only way in which this mocking was of every muslim, not just the crazies.



Tell me, Soren, is every Christian to be fed to the lions?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #164 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 6:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 3:01pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
And you think that should be illegal?


Depends on context, FD.  Time to mature up, instead of subscribing to black and white thinking...   Roll Eyes


How does it depend on context? Must we refrain from mocking terrorists if there is public discussion about building a mosque? Or do you only support the law when Muslims are being protected?

Do you have the right or ability to criticise other religions and other countries?



I support the law because it protects everyone, FD.   You only mock the law when it protects Muslims for some strange, unfathomable, Islamophobic reason...   Roll Eyes
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