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Reply #15 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 1:50pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 1:40pm:
Depends on your definition of "right" baranacle.

I think FD's contention is that reacting to her free speech by calling her to be deported - including by elected politicians, racially abusing her and threatening her with gang-rape, to the extent that she was forced to change her residence - doesn't violate her rights.



As are the rights of muslims to call for the murder of non-muslims


It is all part of the rich tapestry that is modern Australia, and for that we thank you muslims for bringing it here with you.  Smiley Smiley


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Reply #16 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 2:03pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 1:35pm:
I am not dismissing her rights.

If you cannot do your job, you get fired. This is not a violation of your rights, even if that job happens to involve speaking.


Writing an inoffensive tweet and expressing her beliefs about sharia had nothing to do with her ability to do her job.

She was intimidated into self-censoring, and her employer was eventually intimidated into terminating her employment.

You know, the sort of self censorship you always cry about - when its muslims causing it.


Being an idiot publicly does affect her ability to be a public face of the ABC. They were not intimidated. They fired her for being an idiot. They made no effort to stop her being an idiot.
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Reply #17 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 2:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 12:11pm:
Calling for her to be sacked is not an attack on her freedom of speech. She should have been sacked instead of given the option of quitting. Image management was her job, and she failed miserably.

She was not hounded out of the country. She did a drama queen exit.



I agree FD, she's such a drama queen. Imagine a muslim objecting to calls to rape or murder her. How dare she. She should piss of back to where she came from.
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Reply #18 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 2:19pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 11:41am:
Freedom of Speech for Unpopular People



You seem to have mysteriously forgotten a far more high profile case involving Yassmin Abdel-Magied who made the following facebook post

"LEST. WE. FORGET. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine …)"

She then deleted the post and apologised for it, but this didn't stop a conservative campaign against her which included:

Pauline Hanson calling for her to be deported
Conservative media and politicians calling for her to be sacked
Right Wing extremists calling for her to be jailed
Nut cases sending death threats and rape threats

She was eventually hounded out of the country

Can't think why you have omitted this blatant attack on freedom of speech  Wink


He also left out zaky mallah .... Cheesy Cheesy  Cheesy
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Reply #19 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 3:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 2:03pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 1:35pm:
I am not dismissing her rights.

If you cannot do your job, you get fired. This is not a violation of your rights, even if that job happens to involve speaking.


Writing an inoffensive tweet and expressing her beliefs about sharia had nothing to do with her ability to do her job.

She was intimidated into self-censoring, and her employer was eventually intimidated into terminating her employment.

You know, the sort of self censorship you always cry about - when its muslims causing it.


Being an idiot publicly does affect her ability to be a public face of the ABC. They were not intimidated. They fired her for being an idiot. They made no effort to stop her being an idiot.


Tell me FD, do you think being threatened with gang rape for expressing your opinion might be an issue vis freedom of speech?
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Reply #20 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 3:51pm
 
Of course.
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Reply #21 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 3:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
Of course.


Let's see page after page of quote bombs of your own where you say as much, Effendi.
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Reply #22 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 3:54pm
 
Here is an example of me saying it Aussie:

freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
Of course.

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Reply #23 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
Of course.


And yet you apparently have no freedom of speech concern with the way Yassmin Abdel-Magied was treated?
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Reply #24 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:23pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 1:40pm:
Depends on your definition of "right" baranacle.

I think FD's contention is that reacting to her free speech by calling her to be deported - including by elected politicians, racially abusing her and threatening her with gang-rape, to the extent that she was forced to change her residence - doesn't violate her rights.



As are the rights of muslims to call for the murder of non-muslims


It is all part of the rich tapestry that is modern Australia, and for that we thank you muslims for bringing it here with you.  Smiley Smiley


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Reply #25 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:54pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
Of course.


And yet you apparently have no freedom of speech concern with the way Yassmin Abdel-Magied was treated?


I do not think it is even possible to get that woman to shut up. She puts her foot in it every time she opens her mouth, so I doubt she is self censoring. So no, I am not particularly concerned. Are you? Which aspects of her treatment in particular worry you?
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Reply #26 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 5:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
Of course.


And yet you apparently have no freedom of speech concern with the way Yassmin Abdel-Magied was treated?


I do not think it is even possible to get that woman to shut up. She puts her foot in it every time she opens her mouth, so I doubt she is self censoring. So no, I am not particularly concerned. Are you? Which aspects of her treatment in particular worry you?



Every time? Perhaps you have an extensive list of social and political gaffes she's made that has seen  her foot enter her mouth on every occasion?

Would you like to share it with us?
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Reply #27 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 5:43pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
And yet you apparently have no freedom of speech concern with the way Yassmin Abdel-Magied was treated?



of course not ... not only is she tinted, but she's a muslim AND a woman.
Shut her up, once and for all. Ain't that right FD?
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Reply #28 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 5:44pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 5:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
And yet you apparently have no freedom of speech concern with the way Yassmin Abdel-Magied was treated?



of course not ... not only is she tinted, but she's a muslim AND a woman.
Shut her up, once and for all. Ain't that right FD?
and a fa rking idiot.
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Reply #29 - Jul 30th, 2017 at 5:47pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 5:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 5:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
And yet you apparently have no freedom of speech concern with the way Yassmin Abdel-Magied was treated?



of course not ... not only is she tinted, but she's a muslim AND a woman.
Shut her up, once and for all. Ain't that right FD?
and a fa rking idiot.


so are you, and yet I don't see anyone saying you should be raped or killed.
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