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Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion (Read 77696 times)
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #30 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:10pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:05pm:
What is IITL?


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Reply #31 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:11pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:53pm:
Here's an analogy you might prefer.  As a GMod, you warn a Member not to do something.  Said Member defies you.  You ban.

Why did you ban?  Who initiated the ban?


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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #32 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:13pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Why would you gaol a loon? A Jewish loon at that. The man has a right to say he doesn't believe history. We don't gaol IITL for moon-landing denial, we see him for what he is.


I have no idea as to Toben's religion.  As for gaoling a loon, it is obvious he has shown repeated contempt for the court, as the court is limited in the punishments it can hand out, gaoling is one that would teach him a lesson?    Roll Eyes
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #33 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:13pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:11pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:53pm:
Here's an analogy you might prefer.  As a GMod, you warn a Member not to do something.  Said Member defies you.  You ban.

Why did you ban?  Who initiated the ban?


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What? Lay out your case.

edit: OK. I see. But if I made an erroneous decision in telling them to STFU in the first place? That is what the court did.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #34 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Why would you gaol a loon? A Jewish loon at that. The man has a right to say he doesn't believe history. We don't gaol IITL for moon-landing denial, we see him for what he is.


I have no idea as to Toben's religion.  As for gaoling a loon, it is obvious he has shown repeated contempt for the court, as the court is limited in the punishments it can hand out, gaoling is one that would teach him a lesson?    Roll Eyes


Jewish is both a people and a religion. Toben is a Jewish name.
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Reply #35 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:39pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:13pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:11pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:53pm:
Here's an analogy you might prefer.  As a GMod, you warn a Member not to do something.  Said Member defies you.  You ban.

Why did you ban?  Who initiated the ban?


Setanta?


What? Lay out your case.

edit: OK. I see. But if I made an erroneous decision in telling them to STFU in the first place? That is what the court did.


No.  Read the bloody links.  To stay with the analogy....an appeal was made to FD who dismissed it.
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Reply #36 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:41pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Why would you gaol a loon? A Jewish loon at that. The man has a right to say he doesn't believe history. We don't gaol IITL for moon-landing denial, we see him for what he is.


I have no idea as to Toben's religion.  As for gaoling a loon, it is obvious he has shown repeated contempt for the court, as the court is limited in the punishments it can hand out, gaoling is one that would teach him a lesson?    Roll Eyes


Jewish is both a people and a religion. Toben is a Jewish name.


Do you extend the same wide interpretation to Islam?
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Reply #37 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:42pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:41pm:
Do you extend the same wide interpretation to Islam?


Why would I?
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Reply #38 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:45pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:39pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:13pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:11pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:53pm:
Here's an analogy you might prefer.  As a GMod, you warn a Member not to do something.  Said Member defies you.  You ban.

Why did you ban?  Who initiated the ban?


Setanta?


What? Lay out your case.

edit: OK. I see. But if I made an erroneous decision in telling them to STFU in the first place? That is what the court did.


No.  Read the bloody links.  To stay with the analogy....an appeal was made to FD who dismissed it.


I understand that, it's the contempt on 18c I disagree with. It shouldn't be punishable to hold and espouse an opinion if it does not incite harm to others.
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Reply #39 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:48pm
 
It's akin to blasphemy laws.
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Reply #40 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:53pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:41pm:
Do you extend the same wide interpretation to Islam?


Why would I?


To be consistent, I suppose.
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Reply #41 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:56pm
 
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....it's the contempt on 18c I disagree with.


Phaaaaaaaarrrk.  You still have not read the links.  Analogy ~ I was banned by you because I defied your ruling/order/edict.  I appealed to FD who dismissed the appeal.

What was I banned for?
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #42 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 11:05pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:41pm:
Do you extend the same wide interpretation to Islam?


Why would I?


To be consistent, I suppose.


It's not a nation, it encompasses many ethnic groups, as does Christianity it is a religion. There are Jewish people and Jewish people that are Jewish. Are there Islamic people that are Islamic and may also follow Islam?

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Reply #43 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 11:09pm
 
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There are Jewish people and Jewish people that are Jewish.


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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #44 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 11:38pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Why would you gaol a loon? A Jewish loon at that. The man has a right to say he doesn't believe history. We don't gaol IITL for moon-landing denial, we see him for what he is.


I have no idea as to Toben's religion.  As for gaoling a loon, it is obvious he has shown repeated contempt for the court, as the court is limited in the punishments it can hand out, gaoling is one that would teach him a lesson?    Roll Eyes


Jewish is both a people and a religion. Toben is a Jewish name.


Who cares?  He was found to be in contempt of a court decision which was held against him.  He suffered the correct penalty according to the court.  If he had not been so contemptuous of the court, he wouldn't have been imprisoned.  QED.   Roll Eyes
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Someone made a promise.  He has failed to keep it.  He is a liar and a bullshit artiste.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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