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Re: Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman
Reply #75 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 6:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Look at Gandalf's response - get a new Imam. Nothing about actually reforming Muslims' views on the right to mock Muhammed - and this is from a self described Islamic reformer.

Your right FD - scratch that then, keep the Imam. Thats obviously sets a far better example for "reforming muslim views" right?

Being honest about your views is the first step Gandalf. It is hard to reform Islam if their response to any criticism is to lie about Islam.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman Reply #76 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 7:27pm freediver wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 6:28pm: Being honest about your views is the first step Gandalf. Ah - like being honest about my view that what the Imam said was abhorrent? And my view that such behaviour from a representative of the Islam faith is unacceptable? ...I guess not.
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Reply #77 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 7:35pm

freediver wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Look at Gandalf's response - get a new Imam. Nothing about actually reforming Muslims' views on the right to mock Muhammed - and this is from a self described Islamic reformer.

Your right FD - scratch that then, keep the Imam. Thats obviously sets a far better example for "reforming muslim views" right?

Being honest about your views is the first step Gandalf.

It is hard to reform Islam if their response to any criticism is to lie about Islam.

I had to archive that quote/post FD!!!

It is just such an eloquently lucid moment from you! Wink

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman
Reply #78 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 7:42pm

freediver wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Look at Gandalf's response - get a new Imam. Nothing about actually reforming Muslims' views on the right to mock Muhammed - and this is from a self described Islamic reformer.

Your right FD - scratch that then, keep the Imam. Thats obviously sets a far better example for "reforming muslim views" right?

Being honest about your views is the first step Gandalf.

That’s right. FD is much more honest about your views than you are, G.

Are you a standard bearer?

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Reply #79 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 7:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

Being honest about your views is the first step Gandalf.

Ah - like being honest about my view that what the Imam said was abhorrent?

And my view that such behaviour from a representative of the Islam faith is unacceptable?

...I guess not. Undecided

gandalf,

Seriously, ....why should any non-moslem believe that any view that you express in this forum, relating to ISLAM, is sincere ?

Yadda said........
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1458991733/12#12
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QUESTION;
How can we know when moslems are lying to us [about ISLAM, or about their true motives, towards us] ?

ANSWER;

We can't.

But it is a sure bet, that moslems are lying to us, and often!!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #80 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 8:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

Being honest about your views is the first step Gandalf.

Ah - like being honest about my view that what the Imam said was abhorrent? And my view that such behaviour from a representative of the Islam faith is unacceptable?

...I guess not. Undecided

Do you think there is something different about Islam that leads to these situations where Muslim religious leaders misrepresent their own views?

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Reply #81 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 9:39pm

gandalf,

Do you consider yourself, to be a reasonable person ?

e.g.
Would you be willing to denounce a religious philosophy, which actually promoted murder, based upon a persons religious belief's, or lack thereof ???

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Do you think there is something different about Islam that leads to these situations where Muslim religious leaders misrepresent their own views?

Yup.......

IMO, all moslems, are mentally unstable.

And imo, it is the influence of ISLAM, upon the moslem psyche, which is the cause of that mentally instability.

Am i mistaken ???

Dictionary;
cognitive dissonance = = the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes.

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Cognitive dissonance

Cognitive dissonance is a psychological term to define the condition that results whenever an individual attempts to hold two incompatible, if not contradictory, thoughts at the same time even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

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Dictionary;
sanity = = the condition of being sane. reasonable and rational behaviour.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0
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A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Melanias purse Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100842	Re: Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman Reply #82 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 10:04pm A simple yes or no will suffice, G.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22652 A cat with a view	Re: Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman Reply #83 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 10:15pm I don't believe that it can be denied, that, .....Karnal is gandalf's shadow, and minder, and 'hand holder'. Correct Karnal Habibi ? Dictionary; alter ego = = 1 a person’s secondary or alternative personality. 2 a close friend who is very like oneself.
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Melanias purse Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100842	Re: Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman Reply #84 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 10:29pm Sometimes a question is just a question, habibi.
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Reply #85 - Mar 31^st, 2016 at 3:25pm

freediver wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

Being honest about your views is the first step Gandalf.

Ah - like being honest about my view that what the Imam said was abhorrent? And my view that such behaviour from a representative of the Islam faith is unacceptable?

...I guess not. Undecided

Do you think there is something different about Islam that leads to these situations where Muslim religious leaders misrepresent their own views?

Ah I guess this is where I say "no" and you proceed to call me dishonest.

Do you usually associate dishonesty with whatever you disagree with or is it just with muslims?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52394 At my desk.	Re: Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman Reply #86 - Mar 31^st, 2016 at 6:24pm It's not just me disagreeing with him. He disagrees with himself. Have you read the OP?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman Reply #87 - Mar 31^st, 2016 at 6:36pm FD do you think its dishonest to suggest that muslims are unique in being dishonest?
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Reply #88 - Mar 31^st, 2016 at 7:00pm

I think there is something unique in what we are seeing here, including the feebleness of the lies and the acceptance of the hypocrisy by the co-religionists, up to the point that it gets too much media attention (and then the response is limited to window dressing at best). There is a different motivation driving this to what we typically expect from religion.

I am not saying that only Muslims lie, so you can stop trying to shift the goalposts.

What about you Gandalf?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman Reply #89 - Mar 31^st, 2016 at 7:19pm freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2016 at 7:00pm: I am not saying that only Muslims lie, so you can stop trying to shift the goalposts. Fair enough - so actually its that only muslims tell feeble lies and are hypocritical?
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