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Reply #30 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:13am
 
rhino wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:03am:
A bunch of rocks concluded by one researcher to have constituted a village. No doubt some Aboriginals used fish traps but the extrapolation to settled farming communities is ridiculous.


Come on! Stop being a racist! We all know our Abos were rocket scientists before the British arrived and massacred their best brains.
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Reply #31 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 5:23pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:55am:
Emma wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 1:53am:
seems aboriginal Australians baked bread.

Kangaroo grass is now being used in replication of ancient practices.

Very manually intensive... superior bread, apparently.
yes, they built rocket ships too.


Oh, dearie,dearie, me.  Care to provide a link to where that was claimed, Rhino?  Tsk, tsk, your racism is showing again...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #32 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 5:28pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:55am:
rhino wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 8:57pm:
The orientals once lived in the snow country near the Arctic Circle where Nature slitted their eyes just as the Eskimos have 'snow-glasses' that are a slit in carved bone.

The big mystery is where did the Pacific Islanders come from before they took refuge on the islands of Oceania. Needless to say their large and lumbering physical attributes are totally unsuited to living on tropical islands where coastal sea foods would have been their main diet, and where their sheer bulk would have been a handicap that gave them no natural advantages.



Polynesian DNA analysis shows ancestry from Tawian.
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Genomic insights into the peopling of the Southwest Pacific   
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v538/n7626/full/nature19844.html One theory is that as they populated the islands by boat then strength  and bulk would have given the bigger ones an evolutionary advantage.



Exactly.

Those big, lumbering, blubber people are not native to the islands, but were invaders who no doubt soon barbecued and ate any indigenous people they happened to come across as they pushed on further south in Oceania.

It was sheer luck that these cannibal warrior-horrors didn't step onto Australia's shores to snack upon the locals.


It is believed that they did and found the locals more than a match for them, Herbie.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #33 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 5:30pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:03am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
I read somewhere that aborigines in Victoria briefly established eel farming. Might have been a Jared Diamond book.


Not "briefly" at all, FD.   The township discovered in Victoria by archaeologists lasted thousands of years.   Australia was and is a vast continent.  Settlement patterns varied across its length and width.   Fish traps have been discovered in Tasmania, in the North-West, in the Top End, down the East Coast.   This has all been well documented. Time to leave your stereotypes behind.    Roll Eyes
A bunch of rocks concluded by one researcher to have constituted a village. No doubt some Aboriginals used fish traps but the extrapolation to settled farming communities is ridiculous.


Museum of Victoria recognises it, Rhino.   Archaeologists across Australia recognise it.  Tsk, tsk, so, you're now an archaeology expert as well as an expect on the defence forces, Muslim religion, "race" relations.  Is there nothing you're not an expert on?  Really?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #34 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 7:38pm
 
Its amazing the lengths people will go to to try and "prove" the advaced technology of a pre-stone age existance.

It isnt a civilization because it was simply a collection of isolated family tribes incapable of getting together long enough to advance beyond primitive pre-stone age.

We get, so called, archeologists telling us that a few rocks strewn around the place indicates an advanced aquaculture many years ago.
Well, what happened, had the aboriginals reached their apex and then collapsed back into primitive?

It is far easier to believe that the race eradicated by the invading aborigines were the bright ones and after their genocide, the aboriginies could not make it work.

No matter how many time you say it, no matter how much (manufactured) evidence of advancement beyond pre-stone age, it will never make it true.

No wonder they have trouble fitting in.
Its like an amoeba trying to advance to a bird.
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Reply #35 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 7:59pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 8:57pm:
The orientals once lived in the snow country near the Arctic Circle where Nature slitted their eyes just as the Eskimos have 'snow-glasses' that are a slit in carved bone.

The big mystery is where did the Pacific Islanders come from before they took refuge on the islands of Oceania. Needless to say their large and lumbering physical attributes are totally unsuited to living on tropical islands where coastal sea foods would have been their main diet, and where their sheer bulk would have been a handicap that gave them no natural advantages.


Unless they got into a fight.


Hardly.

Their size gave them no advantage due to the fact their antagonists were just as large.


That's how natural selection works. Only a slight difference can mean the difference between life and death. On Islands in particular, the population is always too small for organised warfare to develop. Thus individual brute strength counts more than organisational ability.
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Reply #36 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:11pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
Its amazing the lengths people will go to to try and "prove" the advaced technology of a pre-stone age existance.

It isnt a civilization because it was simply a collection of isolated family tribes incapable of getting together long enough to advance beyond primitive pre-stone age.

We get, so called, archeologists telling us that a few rocks strewn around the place indicates an advanced aquaculture many years ago.
Well, what happened, had the aboriginals reached their apex and then collapsed back into primitive?

It is far easier to believe that the race eradicated by the invading aborigines were the bright ones and after their genocide, the aboriginies could not make it work.

No matter how many time you say it, no matter how much (manufactured) evidence of advancement beyond pre-stone age, it will never make it true.

No wonder they have trouble fitting in.
Its like an amoeba trying to advance to a bird.


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Run along, Valkie.  Stop displaying your ignorance.  It is embarrassing to watch a grown man act as foolish and ignorant as you appear to delight in.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #37 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
That's how natural selection works. Only a slight difference can mean the difference between life and death. On Islands in particular, the population is always too small for organised warfare to develop. Thus individual brute strength counts more than organisational ability.


There was not nearly enough fighting between the Pacific Islanders for Nature to then tweak their genes to produce a better model of fighter.

Of far more urgency was the ability to harvest the coastal waters for sea food and the sandy land for root crops and the like.

Being of huge bulk militated against them settling into crudely-crafted canoes to fish from.

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Reply #38 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 9:50pm
 
Actually, there is a place in WAust where the Aboriginals 'carved' possibly the first 'pillared' structure into rock. As you can see - the time it would have taken, but cleverly conceived. Provided a very good 'first up' effort for anyone to achieve.

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Reply #39 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:06pm
 
As for Polynesians (Pineapples) - well they are only 'big & fat' NOW because they pig out on Maccas, etc.
Before that - their physiology of going long distances over long periods between islands provided them with the ability to last longer than other peoples.
Example: (taken from 'In the Heart of the Sea' book, that inspired Moby Dick) - In a life raft for 93 days, the various attributes of different races came into being. It was said that the 'Negro' Whalers were the first to die of starvation because of the very minimal fat content in their system. Then, the White men would die and the Polynesians would last the longest - because they were used to it over a period of 800 years.
Now though, their 'physical' adaption now 'bites them in the big bum' with junk food.

Neanderthal 'genes' also provide the extra retention of 'fat', but people in the modern world of 'junk food' that have the Neanderthal gene - now put on more weight easier than others.

The 'coincidence' of x3 off-shoot races (Neanderthal, Denisovian & 'mystery X') sort of represented Europe, Asia & Africa (just like Britain, Japan & Madagascar were ...'detached'.  Wink

The San Bushman contain the 'most and oldest' genes passed down through they ages - yep, genetically, they've been around and amongst all the 'Ancient' races - long before a 'branch' went walkabout into Australia.
The 'youngest' Gene Pools are the Europeans (Non-Neanderthal) and Asians (Non-Denisovians).

Polynesian Pineapples come from Asia and you can see the racial & cultural similarities with the Anu of Japan (Nippon) and the Borneans of (Indonesia).
The Melanesian 'Coconuts' have been around far longer than the Polynesians even farted out of Asia - out towards the 'far pacific' of Oceania.
The Melanesians mostly stuck in the region of Sahul, around the outskirts of the more older Aboriginals that were based in Australia.
It is said that the Aboriginals are very closely related to 'Caucasians' too - genetically linked to the 'Caucasus Mountain' area when they started their migration east through India. Hence the 'caucasoid' WAVY HAIR, rather than the Curly or Straight fibres of Negroid/Melanesian and Mongoloid.

In essence though - the success of the Homo Sapiens was due to both their genetic variety and cultural versatility.
Yep - the most successful race was the MONGREL, not the Pure-Blood.

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Reply #40 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 12:16am
 
rhino wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:55am:
Emma wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 1:53am:
seems aboriginal Australians baked bread.

Kangaroo grass is now being used in replication of ancient practices.

Very manually intensive... superior bread, apparently.
yes, they built rocket ships too.


NO BS at all Rhino. It was a show Landline on ABC.

Not talking 'yeasty bread', obviously.
Just flour , water, and maybe some fat.
Like Damper.??? Heard of that?

An indigenous couple are producing and selling this flour, and cannot keep up with the demand.
If you had any idea what Kangaroo grass is, you'd understand just what a task this is.
Good on 'm.
I love Kangaroo grass, and it grows naturally on my property but the yield? Mind-blowing. but it makes sense, given how determined and skilled the people are at living off the land.
Recent Cave Art findings NOW are being dated at 65,000yrs ago.
I only saw them briefly on the News, but they are ,,,,,..........so ..um gripping, so immediate, they are very powerful.
I'd love to see them again  soon. May have to wait for that.
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Reply #41 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 12:20am
 
I love aboriginal foods.
I haven't heard of Kangaroo Grass before.
Gotta look into that one!
Sounds yummy  Smiley
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Reply #42 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 12:34am
 
well as I said they spoke to two elders who were producing this flour. WA I think.
Good luck with that. Smiley
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Reply #43 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:13pm
 
While the Incas were building their castles in the clouds.

Abbos were burning things and throwing sticks at animals.

While the Egyptians were building civilizations and pyramids,

Abbos were burning things and throwing sticks at animals.

While the Romans build one of the largest and most influential civilization on earth,

Abbos were burning things and throwing sticks at animals

While the Chinese dynasties grew and evolved into massive and formidable civilizations,

Abbos were burning things and throwing sticks at animals.

While the British empire grew and advanced nmany civilizations throughout the world,

Abbos burned things and threw sticks at animals.

Now as Australia grows and advances into the future

Abbos burn things, throw down copious quantities of grog and drugs and hold out their hands for more.

Yep, quite a record of advancement I must say.

No written word
No stone age tools
No architecture
No real art, just dots on a piece of bark
No real musical instruments, just some sticks and a hollow log (even a 3 year old knows how to make noise with a hollow object)

Just what do they have that is worthwhile?

Anything?
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Reply #44 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 10:44pm
 
Actually Valkie

While the Aboriginals were probably the most 'culturally' advanced of all the early people's, even the ancient Hominids still hanging around in patches. Most of all the other Sapien tribes were still a couple of stone tools short of the picnic.

Now it seems, that occupation in Australia came from around 65,000 years ago.
That's amazing.
But as for other civilisations 'catching up' then advancing past Aboriginal culture.
Well you got to remember that for 10-15,000 years - the Australia continent 'dried out' considerably due to a massive Ice Age. It basically scuttled the Aboriginal existence from 'Living' to 'surviving'.
This is where their culture stagnated and nearly died.
Even 'white people' in Rural Towns struggle to exist even after a 10 year drought. Besides many 'suicides', many leave. So try dealing with that for 10,000 years! That's longer than the History of the so-called 'Civilised World'.

What British Colonisation came up against was an Aboriginal culture that was a 'shadow' of its former self. It's Golden Age had long gone.

Who knows - maybe 50,000 years ago. Migrations of Sapiens ventured out of Africa and into the 'promised Land' of Australia ...as they followed the water's edge of the Indian Ocean.

Yeah sure - the Aboriginals racked up just 50 points while everyone could only manage 1 point.
But they held that 50 points for 85% of the time, until in the last 15% (5,000 years) - everyone finally surpassed them to reach 200 points.

Yep - they lead the field by 25 lengths for the entire circuit until coming down the straight, when the pack 'finally' over-took them.
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