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Reply #15 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 4:18pm

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 12:23am:

Jasin wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 7:18pm:

It's a very interesting subject that has become popular around the world as it is showing everyone how well we are all from the same tribe - long, long ago. Heidelbergensis.

Sure, there were x3 'off-shoot' tribes that struck it out alone for awhile.
Neanderthals in Europe/Middle-East
Denisovians in Asia
'mystery X' in Africa

...then some mixed up Sapien lot emerged to breed with all of them.

The Neanderthal were mostly 'cave dwellers' and never ventured far for their resources - they were not as Nomadic as the Sapiens who 'followed the food' and its this lack of diversity was probably their downfall ...until there was so few of them left, they were probably hunted as 'Evil Ogres or Trolls' in Caves in their twilight.

I personally think that when Sapiens spread out into the world - there were many different species of modern Homo and ancient Hominids still roaming around - giving rise to legends and myths along the way. Eventually though, they either faded into the Sapien tree or died out in isolation.

San Bushmen have the most number of 'ancient genetic' combinations - their gene pool is the most varied, which is ironic, considering as a 'people' they are the most ...few.

In the end though - all males will be 'Dominant Gene' and females will be 'Regressive Gene'.
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How do you know Neanderthal were cave dwellers? Most humans used caves and rock shelters. Were Aboriginals cave dwellers? They certainly used caves and rock shelters as their paintings will attest. Then we have the replacers of Neanderthal using caves and rock shelters as paintings in Lascaux and Altamira will attest.

Do you have some sort of genetic memory going on? I don't fear the genetic future of man, just as his genetic past allowed me to be. Nothing stays constant.

Apparently modern humans were a lot more nomadic. Aborigines for example used caves, but didn't live in them permanently.

Some Indigenous Australians lived in caves, some in huts. Some Indigenous Australians were nomadic, some were not. Some were simple hunter-gathers, some were agricultural aquaculture farmers. You do like talking in stereotypes, don't you, FD? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 7:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 12:23am:

Jasin wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 7:18pm:

It's a very interesting subject that has become popular around the world as it is showing everyone how well we are all from the same tribe - long, long ago. Heidelbergensis.

Sure, there were x3 'off-shoot' tribes that struck it out alone for awhile.
Neanderthals in Europe/Middle-East
Denisovians in Asia
'mystery X' in Africa

...then some mixed up Sapien lot emerged to breed with all of them.

The Neanderthal were mostly 'cave dwellers' and never ventured far for their resources - they were not as Nomadic as the Sapiens who 'followed the food' and its this lack of diversity was probably their downfall ...until there was so few of them left, they were probably hunted as 'Evil Ogres or Trolls' in Caves in their twilight.

I personally think that when Sapiens spread out into the world - there were many different species of modern Homo and ancient Hominids still roaming around - giving rise to legends and myths along the way. Eventually though, they either faded into the Sapien tree or died out in isolation.

San Bushmen have the most number of 'ancient genetic' combinations - their gene pool is the most varied, which is ironic, considering as a 'people' they are the most ...few.

In the end though - all males will be 'Dominant Gene' and females will be 'Regressive Gene'.
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How do you know Neanderthal were cave dwellers? Most humans used caves and rock shelters. Were Aboriginals cave dwellers? They certainly used caves and rock shelters as their paintings will attest. Then we have the replacers of Neanderthal using caves and rock shelters as paintings in Lascaux and Altamira will attest.

Do you have some sort of genetic memory going on? I don't fear the genetic future of man, just as his genetic past allowed me to be. Nothing stays constant.

Apparently modern humans were a lot more nomadic. Aborigines for example used caves, but didn't live in them permanently.

Some Indigenous Australians lived in caves, some in huts. Some Indigenous Australians were nomadic, some were not. Some were simple hunter-gathers, some were agricultural aquaculture farmers. You do like talking in stereotypes, don't you, FD? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

You are living a lie my friend.

No aboriginals ever lived in a hut, some had lean tos but that was as far as aboriginal engineering went.

The only caves they lived in were where they hid from tge rain, the never actually "lived" as troglodites.

There is absolutely zero evidence of any agriculture anywhere, again, they dod not have the need for these things with their lazy nomadic lifestyle.

Australian Aboriginals were pre stone age, nothing more, nothing less.

And all the bovine excrete in the world will never change that

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Reply #17 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:07pm

Neanderthals became 'isolated' and developed distinctly different for a long while in Europe AND the Middle-East.
They, in essence - lived in a Cave.

But the Sapiens nomadically ventured out into the world from Africa into the middle-East and beyond.

The Neanderthals were habitually 'territory' orientated, possibly shy, etc.

Aboriginals were considered 'Nomadic' and yet they weren't.
They never ventured off an Island and basically just shuffled around for 60,000 years in the same spot.
Island, Cave ...same thing.

So let's face it.
The best way to live is 'Grey Nomad' Wink

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Reply #18 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:24pm

http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium-1.793167

Man may not be all it’s cracked up to be. Homo sapiens, it turns out, had sex with other hominins: Neanderthal and Denisovan, certainly, and possibly a whole host of others. We just haven’t found their remains yet, explains Prof. Svante Pääbo, father of paleogenetics and the first to fully sequence the Neanderthal and find some of him lurking in our genes.
It’s all the rage to have our genes analyzed and share our personal percentage of Neanderthal DNA on Facebook. Among all non-Africans tested so far, about 2 percent of the genome is Neanderthal. Homo sapiens mated with them after leaving Africa, very possibly in Israel.
Asians have yet more genes from a second extinct human species, the Denisovans. Certain Pacific Islanders have a genetic signal from a third, and there may be yet more unknown human species lurking in our ancestry.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium-1.793167

This was recently discussed on the ABC in relation to revisions of the length of aboriginal presence and possible waves of migration on DNA evidence.

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Reply #20 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:57pm

The orientals once lived in the snow country near the Arctic Circle where Nature slitted their eyes just as the Eskimos have 'snow-glasses' that are a slit in carved bone.

The big mystery is where did the Pacific Islanders come from before they took refuge on the islands of Oceania. Needless to say their large and lumbering physical attributes are totally unsuited to living on tropical islands where coastal sea foods would have been their main diet, and where their sheer bulk would have been a handicap that gave them no natural advantages.

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Reply #21 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:07pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

The orientals once lived in the snow country near the Arctic Circle where Nature slitted their eyes just as the Eskimos have 'snow-glasses' that are a slit in carved bone.

The big mystery is where did the Pacific Islanders come from before they took refuge on the islands of Oceania. Needless to say their large and lumbering physical attributes are totally unsuited to living on tropical islands where coastal sea foods would have been their main diet, and where their sheer bulk would have been a handicap that gave them no natural advantages.

Unless they got into a fight.

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Reply #22 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:21pm

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:07pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

The orientals once lived in the snow country near the Arctic Circle where Nature slitted their eyes just as the Eskimos have 'snow-glasses' that are a slit in carved bone.

The big mystery is where did the Pacific Islanders come from before they took refuge on the islands of Oceania. Needless to say their large and lumbering physical attributes are totally unsuited to living on tropical islands where coastal sea foods would have been their main diet, and where their sheer bulk would have been a handicap that gave them no natural advantages.

Unless they got into a fight.

Hardly.

Their size gave them no advantage due to the fact their antagonists were just as large.

Needing to feed their Triple-X bulk meant greater depletion of the coastal waters for seemingly no natural advantage.

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Reply #23 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:38pm

Valkie wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 12:23am:

Jasin wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 7:18pm:

It's a very interesting subject that has become popular around the world as it is showing everyone how well we are all from the same tribe - long, long ago. Heidelbergensis.

Sure, there were x3 'off-shoot' tribes that struck it out alone for awhile.
Neanderthals in Europe/Middle-East
Denisovians in Asia
'mystery X' in Africa

...then some mixed up Sapien lot emerged to breed with all of them.

The Neanderthal were mostly 'cave dwellers' and never ventured far for their resources - they were not as Nomadic as the Sapiens who 'followed the food' and its this lack of diversity was probably their downfall ...until there was so few of them left, they were probably hunted as 'Evil Ogres or Trolls' in Caves in their twilight.

I personally think that when Sapiens spread out into the world - there were many different species of modern Homo and ancient Hominids still roaming around - giving rise to legends and myths along the way. Eventually though, they either faded into the Sapien tree or died out in isolation.

San Bushmen have the most number of 'ancient genetic' combinations - their gene pool is the most varied, which is ironic, considering as a 'people' they are the most ...few.

In the end though - all males will be 'Dominant Gene' and females will be 'Regressive Gene'.
Black Groom - White Bride Wink

How do you know Neanderthal were cave dwellers? Most humans used caves and rock shelters. Were Aboriginals cave dwellers? They certainly used caves and rock shelters as their paintings will attest. Then we have the replacers of Neanderthal using caves and rock shelters as paintings in Lascaux and Altamira will attest.

Do you have some sort of genetic memory going on? I don't fear the genetic future of man, just as his genetic past allowed me to be. Nothing stays constant.

Apparently modern humans were a lot more nomadic. Aborigines for example used caves, but didn't live in them permanently.

Some Indigenous Australians lived in caves, some in huts. Some Indigenous Australians were nomadic, some were not. Some were simple hunter-gathers, some were agricultural aquaculture farmers. You do like talking in stereotypes, don't you, FD? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

You are living a lie my friend.

No aboriginals ever lived in a hut, some had lean tos but that was as far as aboriginal engineering went.

The only caves they lived in were where they hid from tge rain, the never actually "lived" as troglodites.

There is absolutely zero evidence of any agriculture anywhere, again, they dod not have the need for these things with their lazy nomadic lifestyle.

Australian Aboriginals were pre stone age, nothing more, nothing less.

And all the bovine excrete in the world will never change that

Nothing worth reading here, folks, just move along, move along. It's just Valkie as usual, showing his racism for everybody to see. Indigenous Australians lived in huts in Victoria. Indeed, there was a settlement as large as many European towns. They lived off Aquaculture, farming eels. Indigenous Australians practised agriculture in NSW. Not all Indigenous Australians were nomadic, hunter-gatherers. Roll Eyes

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Reply #24 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:45pm:

I read somewhere that aborigines in Victoria briefly established eel farming. Might have been a Jared Diamond book.

Not "briefly" at all, FD. The township discovered in Victoria by archaeologists lasted thousands of years. Australia was and is a vast continent. Settlement patterns varied across its length and width. Fish traps have been discovered in Tasmania, in the North-West, in the Top End, down the East Coast. This has all been well documented. Time to leave your stereotypes behind. Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:43pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

The orientals once lived in the snow country near the Arctic Circle where Nature slitted their eyes just as the Eskimos have 'snow-glasses' that are a slit in carved bone.

The big mystery is where did the Pacific Islanders come from before they took refuge on the islands of Oceania. Needless to say their large and lumbering physical attributes are totally unsuited to living on tropical islands where coastal sea foods would have been their main diet, and where their sheer bulk would have been a handicap that gave them no natural advantages.

Polynesian DNA analysis shows ancestry from Tawian.
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Genomic insights into the peopling of the Southwest Pacific

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v538/n7626/full/nature19844.html One theory is that as they populated the islands by boat then strength and bulk would have given the bigger ones an evolutionary advantage.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Neanderthal DNA Reply #27 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 10:55am Emma wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 1:53am: seems aboriginal Australians baked bread. Kangaroo grass is now being used in replication of ancient practices. Very manually intensive... superior bread, apparently. yes, they built rocket ships too.
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Reply #28 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 10:55am

rhino wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

The orientals once lived in the snow country near the Arctic Circle where Nature slitted their eyes just as the Eskimos have 'snow-glasses' that are a slit in carved bone.

The big mystery is where did the Pacific Islanders come from before they took refuge on the islands of Oceania. Needless to say their large and lumbering physical attributes are totally unsuited to living on tropical islands where coastal sea foods would have been their main diet, and where their sheer bulk would have been a handicap that gave them no natural advantages.

Polynesian DNA analysis shows ancestry from Tawian.
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Genomic insights into the peopling of the Southwest Pacific

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v538/n7626/full/nature19844.html One theory is that as they populated the islands by boat then strength and bulk would have given the bigger ones an evolutionary advantage.

Exactly.

Those big, lumbering, blubber people are not native to the islands, but were invaders who no doubt soon barbecued and ate any indigenous people they happened to come across as they pushed on further south in Oceania.

It was sheer luck that these cannibal warrior-horrors didn't step onto Australia's shores to snack upon the locals.

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Re: Neanderthal DNA
Reply #29 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 11:03am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:42pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 8:45pm:

I read somewhere that aborigines in Victoria briefly established eel farming. Might have been a Jared Diamond book.

Not "briefly" at all, FD. The township discovered in Victoria by archaeologists lasted thousands of years. Australia was and is a vast continent. Settlement patterns varied across its length and width. Fish traps have been discovered in Tasmania, in the North-West, in the Top End, down the East Coast. This has all been well documented. Time to leave your stereotypes behind. Roll Eyes

A bunch of rocks concluded by one researcher to have constituted a village. No doubt some Aboriginals used fish traps but the extrapolation to settled farming communities is ridiculous.

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