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Reply #30 - May 1st, 2013 at 7:53pm
 
The point being that it would not have been collected pre-GST.

At least 10c in the dollar is scooped up where otherwise it would not.
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Reply #31 - May 1st, 2013 at 7:54pm
 
Perhaps everything in the budget should be paid for by individual levies.

Then give the public the right to choose which funds they will pay into until their tax debt is paid.

That would be a pretty democratic system.
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Reply #32 - May 1st, 2013 at 8:43pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:05pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:02pm:
Swagman wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 1:12pm:
]It would have to be revenue positive or else there'd be no point.[/highlight]

I favour a GST increase because the funding burden is spread.

IMO GST (increases / decreases) would be a more effective means of monetary policy anyway and should be used in lieu of interest rate movements.  The downside is the admin of such policy would be difficult as systems are geared for a fixed percentage but the IT gurus should be able to work that out in this day and age.

Politicians of both sides are scared schitless about even talking about increasing the GST so I expect it will not happen and the minority that pay the majority of tax will continue to get shafted.... Sad


why shoudl the tax burden increase? spending is the problem not revenue. the GST taking the place of iniquitous taxes such as payroll tax and stamp duty would be a stimulus to industry and have a flowon effect in productivity instead of via tax increases.


I agree, stop wasting money propping up private corporations and we'd have plenty of money ..

no more money for private schools, private hospitals, no subsidising the mining industry, no giving tax breaks to millionaires .


an extra $10B per year needed to fund the ex-private schools... and extra $20B to build new public hospitals and lose $40B a year in mining taxes ar royalties from miners who largely move elsewhere.  and thos millionaires will just move to other countries and take their businesses with them.

terrific idea, numbskull
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Reply #33 - May 1st, 2013 at 8:44pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:06pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:05pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 3:02pm:
Swagman wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 10:53am:
Regardless of the merits of the scheme Smithy as advised many times on this forum by me, Rudd and Gillard Labor's buy now and pay later spending sprees, would be, in effect, future income tax increases. Angry

This has now come to fruition. Angry

The levy is required because the Govt since taking office has irresponsibly overspent by $271 Billion and climbing and has consistently failed to balance the budget despite an unpresendented mining boom.

Ironically the interest on this climbing debt (around at least $8 Billion per annum) would come close to covering the cost of the NDIS.

Now the minority that pays the majority of tax has to reach into its pocket yet again to pay the lion's share of Labor's fiscal irresponsibiliy and broken promises.  It is a sad and broken record.   Sad Sad Sad Sad

IMO the fairest option should a tax increase be required would be to increase the GST to cover not only this scheme but the whole health and education funding shortfalls.  This has not been mentioned by any side of politics to my knowledge, not even discussed.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure you will) but the medicare levy is paid by individual income taxpayers and not companies?

Personal income tax payers are a declining breed as a percentage of the population.  The baby boomers are retiring in droves and dropping off the list of income tax payers and the compounding burden of payment of Govt is falling upon fewer tax payers. Shocked

One of the reasons the GST (broad based tax) was introduced was due to the aging of the population issue and the problems this would have for the budget. Undecided


Companies don't pay GST either, or at least not in the long run ... they claim it back. It is the individuals or consumers that pay the GST (ie, taxpayers and pensioners and unemployed)


that is to avoid the add-on effect. without this, any single product could have GST added on at every stage of manufacture marketing and sale therefore making some products more tax that any other component. GST is the tax that companies dont pay but every owner or employee of said company does.


wrong, GST is the tax that the consumer pays.


no I was right. every owner and employee is a CONSUMER and therefore pays GST at the end of the chain.
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Reply #34 - May 1st, 2013 at 8:45pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:13pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:08pm:
you might as well just increase company tax to 47%


nothing wrong with that. ...

longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:08pm:
most company failures are nothing at all like that.


i guess that depends on if you ever worked in the building Industry or not  ... do you know it is expected that you will work for a builder who will go bust at some point during your career as a tradie .... and yet the builder rarely loses anything, keeps his money (usually all in his wifes name at this point) and starts again down the road.


yeah im sure that will really bolster the economy and employment. where do you get your stupid ideas from?
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Reply #35 - May 1st, 2013 at 8:51pm
 
miketrees wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 7:54pm:
Perhaps everything in the budget should be paid for by individual levies.

Then give the public the right to choose which funds they will pay into until their tax debt is paid.

That would be a pretty democratic system.


Except that the top 25% of tax payers pay for around 65% of Govt.
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Reply #36 - May 1st, 2013 at 9:14pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 8:43pm:
terrific idea, numbskull


please provide links to your figures or go away, you moron ....

longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 8:44pm:
no I was right. every owner and employee is a CONSUMER and therefore pays GST at the end of the chain.


no you were wrong ....  just admit it you loser (ever wonder why everyone calls you longloser?)

longweekend58 wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 8:45pm:
yeah im sure that will really bolster the economy and employment. where do you get your stupid ideas from?


Except that when the building industry thrives, so does the rest of the economy .... wherever I get my ideas from you can guarantee one thing,  unlike yours my ideas are based on reality.
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Reply #37 - May 1st, 2013 at 9:29pm
 
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 7:52pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 7:39pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:26pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:18pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:13pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 10:05am:
Gillard has announced a levy of .5% to fund the NDIS scheme .


http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/16957956/gillard-set-to-announce-...

I personally don't mind paying a little extra for this type of service, especially if it can help a lot of my opponents on this forum, who will most likely complain about it.



How about ALP repairing the MMRT so not only individual will pay, our ore can also fund the disabled.

And while we are at it, lets decrease future Australians with disabilities by closing down Labor's concentration camp on Manus.


Sure, I'd be in that,

by the way, I wasn't paying attention at the time, so maybe you can provide an answer, did the greens support the original propsal for the MMRT put forward by labor?



The Australian Greens made a last ditch bid have the tax rate increased to 40 per cent.

Another Greens amendment to apply the tax to gold, uranium and rare earth minerals.

Yes we passed an inferior MRRT, yet we haven't given up on fixing Labor's mistakes.

If Labor had listened to the Greens, Labor's black hole would not be so so deep and the NDIS would not have been such a hard sell.



you didn't answer the question .... I don't care about what the greens wanted, I asked if they supported labors original bill?



We voted for it in it's weak ALP form so it can be fixed afterwards.


Why is Labor refusing to bring NDIS to parliament now since it will be passed before the election.

Is Labor hiding behind the disabled, hoping the election whack against them may not be so hard.

If so, Labor is gutless.


no they didn't. The mining tax in it's original form was the mining super profits tax, the greens failure to support it led to Rudds demise (in some part) and the watered down MRRT version that exists today,  ... don't come crying now that it hasn't raised enough money.
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Re: New NDIS Levy
Reply #38 - May 1st, 2013 at 9:54pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 9:29pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 7:52pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 7:39pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:26pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:18pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:13pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 10:05am:
Gillard has announced a levy of .5% to fund the NDIS scheme .


http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/16957956/gillard-set-to-announce-...

I personally don't mind paying a little extra for this type of service, especially if it can help a lot of my opponents on this forum, who will most likely complain about it.



How about ALP repairing the MMRT so not only individual will pay, our ore can also fund the disabled.

And while we are at it, lets decrease future Australians with disabilities by closing down Labor's concentration camp on Manus.


Sure, I'd be in that,

by the way, I wasn't paying attention at the time, so maybe you can provide an answer, did the greens support the original propsal for the MMRT put forward by labor?



The Australian Greens made a last ditch bid have the tax rate increased to 40 per cent.

Another Greens amendment to apply the tax to gold, uranium and rare earth minerals.

Yes we passed an inferior MRRT, yet we haven't given up on fixing Labor's mistakes.

If Labor had listened to the Greens, Labor's black hole would not be so so deep and the NDIS would not have been such a hard sell.



you didn't answer the question .... I don't care about what the greens wanted, I asked if they supported labors original bill?



We voted for it in it's weak ALP form so it can be fixed afterwards.


Why is Labor refusing to bring NDIS to parliament now since it will be passed before the election.

Is Labor hiding behind the disabled, hoping the election whack against them may not be so hard.

If so, Labor is gutless.


no they didn't. The mining tax in it's original form was the mining super profits tax, the greens failure to support it led to Rudds demise (in some part) and the watered down MRRT version that exists today,  ... don't come crying now that it hasn't raised enough money.



If you were talking about the super profit tax, then why didn't you say that.

Labor should be congratulating Greens for saving them from a even deeper ALP black hole.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/original-mining-tax-would-cost-bill...

''People are screaming that the revised tax is a disaster because it has hardly raised any money. But they would have been screaming more if we had the original tax - it would have cost the government money,'' Mr Richardson said. ''Much of the bad press about the revised tax has been overdone. Yes, it was a hurried compromise, but any super profits tax would be struggling to make money at the moment because the miners aren't making super profits.''

...

''Over the long term the original tax would have raised more than the redesigned one, there's no doubt about that. For one thing, it had a higher rate,'' he said. ''But the revenue would have been more variable. Right now, the government would have been helping miners out.''



Now why isn't Labor bringing the NDIS to parliament before the election ... trying to hide behind the disabled?
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Reply #39 - May 1st, 2013 at 10:24pm
 
Swagy we can still have different tax scales, just be able to choose where our tax goes.

We can actually do this to a point now.
Gifts to charity are tax deductible so we can direct tax money a bit.
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Reply #40 - May 2nd, 2013 at 7:19am
 
Why mess with a Disability pension system that wasn't Broke.

Why so they can claim more tax into the Governments coffers, and stick more people on Disbility Pension, and destroy more peoples Lives.
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Reply #41 - May 2nd, 2013 at 7:24am
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 9:29pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 7:52pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 7:39pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:26pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:18pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:13pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 10:05am:
Gillard has announced a levy of .5% to fund the NDIS scheme .


http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/16957956/gillard-set-to-announce-...

I personally don't mind paying a little extra for this type of service, especially if it can help a lot of my opponents on this forum, who will most likely complain about it.



How about ALP repairing the MMRT so not only individual will pay, our ore can also fund the disabled.

And while we are at it, lets decrease future Australians with disabilities by closing down Labor's concentration camp on Manus.


Sure, I'd be in that,

by the way, I wasn't paying attention at the time, so maybe you can provide an answer, did the greens support the original propsal for the MMRT put forward by labor?



The Australian Greens made a last ditch bid have the tax rate increased to 40 per cent.

Another Greens amendment to apply the tax to gold, uranium and rare earth minerals.

Yes we passed an inferior MRRT, yet we haven't given up on fixing Labor's mistakes.

If Labor had listened to the Greens, Labor's black hole would not be so so deep and the NDIS would not have been such a hard sell.



you didn't answer the question .... I don't care about what the greens wanted, I asked if they supported labors original bill?



We voted for it in it's weak ALP form so it can be fixed afterwards.


Why is Labor refusing to bring NDIS to parliament now since it will be passed before the election.

Is Labor hiding behind the disabled, hoping the election whack against them may not be so hard.

If so, Labor is gutless.


no they didn't. The mining tax in it's original form was the mining super profits tax, the greens failure to support it led to Rudds demise (in some part) and the watered down MRRT version that exists today,  ... don't come crying now that it hasn't raised enough money.


Well John Smith it clearly hasn't raised enough money for this country, if it did we wouldn't have a 10 billion dolar black hole.

And services that are no able to be funded.
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Reply #42 - May 2nd, 2013 at 10:16am
 
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 9:54pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 9:29pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 7:52pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 7:39pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:26pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:18pm:
____ wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 6:13pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 10:05am:
Gillard has announced a levy of .5% to fund the NDIS scheme .


http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/16957956/gillard-set-to-announce-...

I personally don't mind paying a little extra for this type of service, especially if it can help a lot of my opponents on this forum, who will most likely complain about it.



How about ALP repairing the MMRT so not only individual will pay, our ore can also fund the disabled.

And while we are at it, lets decrease future Australians with disabilities by closing down Labor's concentration camp on Manus.


Sure, I'd be in that,

by the way, I wasn't paying attention at the time, so maybe you can provide an answer, did the greens support the original propsal for the MMRT put forward by labor?



The Australian Greens made a last ditch bid have the tax rate increased to 40 per cent.

Another Greens amendment to apply the tax to gold, uranium and rare earth minerals.

Yes we passed an inferior MRRT, yet we haven't given up on fixing Labor's mistakes.

If Labor had listened to the Greens, Labor's black hole would not be so so deep and the NDIS would not have been such a hard sell.



you didn't answer the question .... I don't care about what the greens wanted, I asked if they supported labors original bill?



We voted for it in it's weak ALP form so it can be fixed afterwards.


Why is Labor refusing to bring NDIS to parliament now since it will be passed before the election.

Is Labor hiding behind the disabled, hoping the election whack against them may not be so hard.

If so, Labor is gutless.


no they didn't. The mining tax in it's original form was the mining super profits tax, the greens failure to support it led to Rudds demise (in some part) and the watered down MRRT version that exists today,  ... don't come crying now that it hasn't raised enough money.



If you were talking about the super profit tax, then why didn't you say that.

Labor should be congratulating Greens for saving them from a even deeper ALP black hole.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/original-mining-tax-would-cost-bill...

''People are screaming that the revised tax is a disaster because it has hardly raised any money. But they would have been screaming more if we had the original tax - it would have cost the government money,'' Mr Richardson said. ''Much of the bad press about the revised tax has been overdone. Yes, it was a hurried compromise, but any super profits tax would be struggling to make money at the moment because the miners aren't making super profits.''

...

''Over the long term the original tax would have raised more than the redesigned one, there's no doubt about that. For one thing, it had a higher rate,'' he said. ''But the revenue would have been more variable. Right now, the government would have been helping miners out.''



Now why isn't Labor bringing the NDIS to parliament before the election ... trying to hide behind the disabled?


I did say in it's original form ... call it whatever acronym you like .... opinion pieces are just that, opinion pieces ... not necessarily based on any reality.

The Greens are like the farmer who neuters his dog, and then complains it can't have pups.
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Reply #43 - May 2nd, 2013 at 10:30am
 
You have had your little vent, now back on topic John.

Why are labor wanting to use the disabled as human shields at the election.


Just another piece of evidence Labor has no moral compass?
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Reply #44 - May 2nd, 2013 at 10:36am
 
Because the disabled have been asking for this issue to be bought to the forefront, you don't think it's should be an election issue?  ... I think it's the best time ... you want people to pay for it, let them vote for it.

if you wanted a higher mining tax, maybe the greens should have made that the deal breaker when negotiating for the minority govt, and left Gillard to pursue the ETS as she had originally planned ... the greens are slime who never offer real support and never provide real alternatives .. all they do is force watered down versions of other parties policies and then complain when the policies don't work. Whatever the result of this election, I'll be glad when the Greens go the way of the democrats ....
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