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Re: France perhaps the first European country to fall?
Reply #30 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:31pm

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:29pm:

http://alettertothetimes.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/the-frankfurt-school-and-cultu...

As good a starting point as any.

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Most Americans look back on the 1950s as a good time. Our homes were safe, to the point where many people did not bother to lock their doors. Public schools were generally excellent, and their problems were things like talking in class and running in the halls. Most men treated women like ladies, and most ladies devoted their time and effort to making good homes, rearing their children well and helping their communities through volunteer work. Children grew up in two–parent households, and the mother was there to meet the child when he came home from school. Entertainment was something the whole family could enjoy.

What happened?

Financial system.

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Reply #31 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:34pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:31pm:

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:29pm:

http://alettertothetimes.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/the-frankfurt-school-and-cultu...

As good a starting point as any.

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

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Most Americans look back on the 1950s as a good time. Our homes were safe, to the point where many people did not bother to lock their doors. Public schools were generally excellent, and their problems were things like talking in class and running in the halls. Most men treated women like ladies, and most ladies devoted their time and effort to making good homes, rearing their children well and helping their communities through volunteer work. Children grew up in two–parent households, and the mother was there to meet the child when he came home from school. Entertainment was something the whole family could enjoy.

What happened?

Financial system.

The "financial system" isn't exactly a new invention.

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Reply #32 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:36pm

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:34pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:31pm:

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:29pm:

http://alettertothetimes.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/the-frankfurt-school-and-cultu...

As good a starting point as any.

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

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Most Americans look back on the 1950s as a good time. Our homes were safe, to the point where many people did not bother to lock their doors. Public schools were generally excellent, and their problems were things like talking in class and running in the halls. Most men treated women like ladies, and most ladies devoted their time and effort to making good homes, rearing their children well and helping their communities through volunteer work. Children grew up in two–parent households, and the mother was there to meet the child when he came home from school. Entertainment was something the whole family could enjoy.

What happened?

Financial system.

The "financial system" isn't exactly a new invention.

Keep going.

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I think you need to read up on the history of the West Financial Sytem. When you do then we can then have a conversation.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: France perhaps the first European country to fall? Reply #34 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:37pm ... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:36pm: Brickwall if you must, I'm only trying to help. So you are of the position that the financial system has stayed exactly the same since the 50's?
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Reply #35 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:40pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:27pm:

It goes much deeper than that. It's a particular mindset or disposition toward the government and world.

Compare some of the classical liberal thinkers to today's postmodernists, for example.

A mindset that strangely only comes out when the government or western world does something despicable.

What are you expecting people to just stay the same? 100 years ago riding a horse was manly and now its sissy.

The neo-Marxists always, always criticize Western countries, but give every non-Western country a free pass. The latest classic example is the Taliban. The Taliban can do no wrong, but the West is always wrong.
The so-called humanitarian brigade always turn a blind eye to the abuses in non-Western countries. Why is that? It's because deep down in every Marxist is a hatred for their own country and people. A hatred so sublime it is expressed in sneaky humanitarian catchphrases.
This is only one facet. Elvis has highlighted another above.

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Reply #36 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:45pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:40pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:27pm:

It goes much deeper than that. It's a particular mindset or disposition toward the government and world.

Compare some of the classical liberal thinkers to today's postmodernists, for example.

A mindset that strangely only comes out when the government or western world does something despicable.

What are you expecting people to just stay the same? 100 years ago riding a horse was manly and now its sissy.

The neo-Marxists always, always criticize Western countries, but give every non-Western country a free pass. The latest classic example is the Taliban. The Taliban can do no wrong, but the West is always wrong.
The so-called humanitarian brigade always turn a blind eye to the abuses in non-Western countries. Why is that? It's because deep down in every Marxist is a hatred for their own country and people. A hatred so sublime it is expressed in sneaky humanitarian catchphrases.
This is only one facet. Elvis has highlighted another above.

Can you understand why some people might find it a bit trivial and pointless to criticise a country half way round the world when their own country is doing just as bad and in many cases much worse things. Not many people actually give non-western countries a free pass, they just don't focus on it as much as people like you do when you go in heat.
Who says the Taliban can do no wrong? The West is not always wrong proved by the fact that the same people you are calling marxists will praise it when it does good stuff. You cannot deny that.
The idea that speaking out against it is marxist or anarchists is actually a paradox when I think about it because you will note that these people are trying to improve it not destroy it. Your logic is deeply flawed.

Which humanitarian brigade? I see the biggest ones often focusing on non western countries, more so then they do the West.

True marxism is not created by a hatred for someones own country, that statement is pretty ignorant.

Your logic is flawed.

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Reply #38 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 1:23pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:42am:

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neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists).

Haha where are these so called neo-marxists and anarchists exactly?
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but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again.

Yeah cause people are going to trust gits like you again hey

Neo-Marxism and anarchism exists in the undermining of every facet of Western civilization. This occurs on numerous fronts. In the main, it is a relentless criticism of everything the West stands for. You are part of it.
Have you heard of or read any Gramsci and his 'long march through the institutions'?

I don't understand, Misty. Aren't you criticising the West by criticising anarchism/Marxism?

In fact, Bolshevik Destroyer, aren't most of your posts criticisms of what you see as some all-encompassing leftist intellectual bloc?

Seems to me that you're criticising the West there.

Not that there's anything wrong with it. Honky's living in denial too.

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Re: France perhaps the first European country to fall?
Reply #40 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 1:54pm

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Only insofar as diagnosing an illness is "criticising" the person suffering from it.

Good metonym. That's exactly what Bolshie seems to be doing.

Do we blame the mentally ill? Sometimes we do. It's a bit pointless though.

Same with ideological zealots. They don't change by being beaten over the head. Their denial is huge - which is why psychoanalysis was meant to take so long. Denial is the ego's mechanism for coping with neurosis.

Most change is slow. Everyone responds differently.

You'll submit eventually, Honky. All do. It's unavoidable.

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Reply #41 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:06pm

You could say I've already submitted to my nature - the one true master.

It is you denialists who continue to fight it, in the vain hope that "it'll be different this time". It won't.

Envision human nature as a rip. Those who swim against it inevitably tire and die, while those who go with the flow live to fight another day.

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Reply #42 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:43pm

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:06pm:

You could say I've already submitted to my nature - the one true master.

It is you denialists who continue to fight it, in the vain hope that "it'll be different this time". It won't.

Envision human nature as a rip. Those who swim against it inevitably tire and die, while those who go with the flow live to fight another day.

Yes, my frien, you are human natures. This is herd instinct, I sympathise with you. It is a fight always.

Some rare peoples choose the Gudly nature - much harder! This is a fight too - a fight against the human natures. You must try hard, isn't it.

The jihad is within, friendy.

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Reply #44 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:04pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:56pm:

You said earlier you were in Vietnam?

You cant be Pakistani and in Vietnam war - one of them is a lie.

Which is it?

Ah, friendy, there are many contradictions in the worlds, isn't it. Are you really Jewish? Are you Israeli? A soldier? A mensch? A man?

All are divided. And all is one, isn't it.

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