abu_rashid wrote on Sep 10^th, 2012 at 9:13pm:


The Qur'an does not contain every minute detail of every single law and punishment. Many things were given a general ruling in the Qur'an, and their fine details were expounded upon by Muhammad (pbuh) himself.
Allah claimed Islam had been perfected in sura 5:3, he left out the punishments for apostasy and adultery with the Quran so how can allah claim Islam is perfected when the Quran does not instruct muslims to kill for apostasy and adultery?
If Mohammad had to expand on the details then Allah is guilty of passing off an incomplete work as being perfected.
Since all these details came from Mohammad it is Mohammad you are following and not Allah,please cite where Allah and not Mohammad says apostates are to be killed.



And those witnessing and recording what he did and said were the first transmitters of hadith. The compilation of al-Bukhari's book of hadith may have not been finalised until that year, but the hadiths were certainly reported and transmitted prior to this time. There is an unbroken authentic chain of narration for all of the hadiths he collected and included in his work.
If Islam was perfected as Allah claims then why is there a need for the hadith?
I think muslims realised how incomplete the Quran really is , they could not add verses after it had been finalised or that would be corrupting the texts like the other religions so they came up with the hadith to explain the unexplained without corrupting the original texts.
The hadith is a collection of sayings from Mohammad passed down like a series of chinese whispers over 200 years before someone made it into a book.
If more than one person heard the same chinese whispers it becomes legitimate for muslims.





Compare this with any other body of religious texts, and we find none of them even come remotely close to having been as accurately transmitted and recorded as this. For instance the Jewish Old Testament does not contain texts recorded within the lifetimes of any of the people it mentions. The New Testament does not contain a single valid link to the time or place of Jesus (pbuh). We don't even know for sure the first names (let alone family history, as is known with hadith transmitters) of any one of the supposed authors of the New Testament.
The Quran was not accurately transmitted it was contained in the memory of the hafiz for 23 years before a caliph decided to make it into a book because the hafiz were getting killed in battles.
The Quran was also passed down like a series of chinese whispers over 2 decades relying on the memory of humans and you claim it has been accurately preserved.




This is just a fact of the technology level of the time. How you can pretend to present it as an argument against Islam is beyond me.[quote/]
Does Allah have the Quran written on stone tablets in Paradise?
If you were to invent a religion today i suspect the god might have a t IPAD instead of stone tablets.
Allah has stone tablets and the kafir has computers with search functions to get the right page.

Soren wrote on Sep 11^th, 2012 at 9:30pm:


No, I mean implemented by Muhammad (pbuh). He was the embodiment of the message of Islam, or the "walking Qur'an".

I do no such thing. Anyone worshipping him is a mushrik, and is outside of the bounds of Islam.