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Reply #75 - May 23rd, 2012 at 12:11pm
 
falah wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 11:15am:
freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:10pm:
Does it exist outside of my mind?

It could exist in other people's minds as well.


If it did, would you agree with it?
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Reply #76 - May 24th, 2012 at 8:31am
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi

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Academics and historians use the term to denote "a school of thought which surfaced in the second half of the 19th century as a reaction to the spread of European ideas," and "sought to expose the roots of modernity within Muslim civilization."


This bit in particular has caught my attention. It explains Abu's absurd attempts at rewriting history so Muslims were always the victims, never the aggressors, and so that Muslims made a huge contribution to basic science.

This requires an openness and willingness to simply reject reality and seek out a few exceptions to turn into a rule. Obviously reality can be a bit confronting, so where it gets too absurd Muslims just say that historical Muslims suffered because they strayed from the faith.

I think it explains Abu and Falah's beliefs that Muslims are on the verge of a big military victory. In this thread:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1337653279/31#31

Falah explains that the Palestinians should never surrender and accept Israeli statehood because their current plight is merely a temporary setback in an ongoing war in which the Muslims will soon have their glorious victory. He even digs up a few historical examples to prove that this is a sound principle, rather than crapping on your own plate. For example he claims that peaceful Australian aborigines were the ones that were killed and that history demonstrates they would have been better off to continue putting up fierce and violent resistance to European immigrants.
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Re: Salafism
Reply #77 - May 24th, 2012 at 10:49am
 
freediver wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 8:31am:
Falah explains that the Palestinians should never surrender and accept Israeli statehood because their current plight is merely a temporary setback in an ongoing war in which the Muslims will soon have their glorious victory. He even digs up a few historical examples to prove that this is a sound principle, rather than crapping on your own plate. For example he claims that peaceful Australian aborigines were the ones that were killed and that history demonstrates they would have been better off to continue putting up fierce and violent resistance to European immigrants.



The muslim principle is that anything that has ever been Muslim will always be Muslim. It is a geographic version of the doctrine that there is no conversion to Islam, only reversion.



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Reply #78 - May 24th, 2012 at 2:41pm
 
freediver wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 8:31am:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi

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Academics and historians use the term to denote "a school of thought which surfaced in the second half of the 19th century as a reaction to the spread of European ideas," and "sought to expose the roots of modernity within Muslim civilization."




This is totally incorrect.

The term "Salafi" is nothing new and refers to the methodology used by orthodox Muslim scholars in deriving Islamic rulings based on the Quran, hadeeth, and the interpretations based on the earliest generations of Muslims understandings.

The methodology is as old as Islam, and it is ludicrous to imagine that it is something invented in the 19th century when their are 1400 year-old references to it in hadeeth, and Islamic scholars have been mentioning it since then.

The prophet said peace & blessings of God upon him:

"The best of people is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them (i.e. the first three generations of Muslims)." [Reported by Bukhari and Muslim]

Therefore, orthodox Islamic methodology is based upon acknowledging that the ealiest generations of muslims's understanding of Islam is the basis for the understnading of the following generations.

The three generations referred to in the hadeeth are known as as-Salaf as-Saalih (the pious predecessors). Following the predeceesors ensures that Orthodox Islam remains uncorrupted and pure by deviant interpretations.

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Reply #79 - May 24th, 2012 at 5:48pm
 
The wikipedia article acknowledges that as the origin of the term Salafi.

The fact that an old term is used to describe the movement does not mean the movement doesn't exist or that it means nothing more than how the term was used historically. Otherwise you are basically arguing that people have to make up completely new words with no links to current language in order to identify themselves and their movement.

Why is there a pattern here of Muslims using the most ancient definition of words to define the modern world? We have seen Abu do the same with democracy for example. Is it that the focus on studying Islam in Arabic leads Muslims to believe that the English language has not changed either since the ancient Greeks used democracy? Or is it just another stupid excuse for not giving a straight answer - pretending that it is impossible because you don't have the language faculties to understand the question? It's like an elaborate version of "solly me no speaka da engrish".
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Reply #80 - Jun 4th, 2012 at 8:13am
 
Here is another classic example - an attempt to rewrite the history of Australian settlement, without farming as a driving force of settlement and dominant predictor of population density. It even has calls for more violence between settlers and aborigines, although at least this time Falah is not denying the link between Islam and violence. He is promoting it as a good thing.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338172056
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Reply #81 - Jun 4th, 2012 at 10:07am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 8:13am:
...It even has calls for more violence between settlers and aborigines...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338172056


More lies Freeliar. You really can't help yourself can you?

It is good for people to see that the Islam-haters are liars.

Your stupidity harms your own cause.
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