fd I don't even follow what you're on about nowadays, because it's just drivel really.

From what I can guess, you seem to have had some discussion with Lestat in which you claimed I don't consider apostasy to be treason... Yet on several occasions I've stated this very fact. As follows:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:08pm:


abu_rashid wrote on Oct 8^th, 2009 at 10:26am:


abu_rashid wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2009 at 2:10pm:


abu_rashid wrote on Mar 12^th, 2009 at 9:35am:


abu_rashid wrote on Feb 15^th, 2009 at 11:57pm:


abu_rashid wrote on Feb 14^th, 2009 at 7:43am:


abu_rashid wrote on Feb 8^th, 2009 at 11:04pm:


Now in several of those quotes, you were the other party engaged in the discussion. And you wonder why nobody here is interested in playing "lets do research for fd".

You can try and claim it's about deflections or obfuscating the "truth" from you, but the mundane fact is it's just about people tiring of posting things for you time and time again. Either your memory is extremely poor, or you're just not very bright, either way (and I think it's a bit of both personally), it's not our position to have to keep reiterating these things for you.

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 9:34pm:


And just what is wrong with stoning and beheading? HTFU will you. And just remember Islam is a religion of peace.

freediver wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 9:48am:


Muslims want Sharia law here.
Death is the only penalty for apostasy.

see my post
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1316819115/0

salad in wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 7:53am:


Post of the year!

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 3:35pm:


Really? Did you ever read the Common misconceptions thread?

Let me quote for you:

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “He who harms a person under covenant, or charged him more than he can, I will argue against him on the Day of Judgement.”

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “He who hurts a dhimmi hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys Allah.”

The classical scholars of Islam also detailed the rights of the Muslims towards the dhimmi. The famous Maliki jurist, Shaha al-Deen al-Qarafi states:

"The covenant of protection imposes upon us certain obligations toward the ahl al-dhimmah. They are our neighbours, under our shelter and protection upon the guarantee of Allah, His Messenger (saw), and the religion of Islam. Whoever violates these obligations against any one of them by so much as an abusive word, by slandering his reputation, or by doing him some injury or assisting in it, has breached the guarantee of Allah, His Messenger (saw), and the religion of Islam."

I think it's quite clear from this what Islam promotes relating to the treatment of non-Muslims within shari'ah jurisdiction. However, you're not interested in what Islam promotes, you are only interested in peddling the garbage you've read on jihadwatch and other such loon haunts.

I can lead you to the water, but I can't make you drink it, that's up to you.

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I think this is another case of you wanting to project Christianity's own failings onto Islam. We all know Christianity sets up lofty standards of peace loving and turning the other cheek etc. yet in reality this never existed all throughout the 2000 year history of Christianity. It is a fantasy. So I can see why you'd want to then try and superimpose your own religion's failings onto others.

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As you know, I do not consider Pakistan an Islamic state, nor could any sane person. It is quite clearly so far removed from Islamic Shari'ah, and always has been since its inception. The last Shari'ah state ceased implementation in the early 1900's, this is a simple fact. For 1350~ years prior to that though, Shari'ah was implemented, and Ahl al-Dhimma were protected, this is the reality you cannot deny, hence your pathetic scramble to put Pakistan up as an example. Personally I'd like to see Pakistan, and the evil it implements, gone more than you would, so you're only preaching to the converted on that issue.

Again, I state that Islam protects the rights of Ahl al-Dhimma, and that the Prophet (pbuh) made it quite clear what the obligations of Muslims were towards them.

Also for the record your example of business men in post-Shari'ah states can be just as easily used to show how those people do the same things to fellow Muslims, it's got nothing to do with Muslim/Kafir at all. I know of many cases of non-Saudi Muslims for instance being completely ruined by their Saudi "sponsors" who are their mandatory business partners when doing business there. Then on the other hand, there's hundreds of Western corporations doing business there getting mighty fine treatment, so your examples are nonsense, and are proved to be such.

Yadda....
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Abu responds....
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 8:17pm:


As per usual, we see....







abu_rashid wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 8:17pm:


Abu,

It is absolutely impossible for ISLAM to produce a harmonious, just, and stable society.

Any rational person who was to examine what ISLAM promotes, would have to come to that conclusion.

And it is also true that, much of recorded ISLAMIC history [recording that moslems were the most benevolent masters of other peoples, and that those periods of ISLAMIC dominance of other peoples were always virtuous and benevolent], was manufactured, and 'confected'.

An 'ISLAMIC' history, which is 'confected' by moslems themselves, to be a veil of ISLAMIC lies about ISLAM's own self professed virtue, so as to conceal the history of depraved tyranny, which always underlines ISLAMIC authority.

In today's world, only a liar would deny, that ISLAM's 'example', is one of a clear history of always seeking to erase every thought, every honest expression of man, which attempts to critically and truthfully scrutinise the real 'form' of ISLAM.

A wicked, corrupt beast.



And when anyone asks a moslem, today, to give an example of a good, and just, benevolent Sharia society, a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law, today, no moslem can point to such an example.

Not in all of the ISLAMIC world, is there even one example, of such a virtuous society.

And that is not surprising, because [almost always] examples of ISLAMIC and Sharia guided societies in the world today, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.

Just as any rational person, would expect them to be.





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e.g.

Pakistan: Muslim businessman falsely accuses Christian rival of blasphemy, forces him to flee, mob sets fire to his shop

....how Pakistan's blasphemy laws are so easily abused and used to victimize non-Muslims. "Pakistan: Sialkot: Muslim businessman uses blasphemy law against Christian rival," from SperoNews, May 12:
.....Ten years ago, Gulzar Masih opened a bookstore in Druman Wala Chowk, a Sialkot neighbourhood, along with a Muslim associate Abdul Rauf. As business increased, they bought a bigger store.
    “As soon as the business started growing, Abdul Rauf wanted to take over the business. Some issues started between the partners, and ultimately in 2009 the Delight Book Shop was divided into two shops, Delight Books and New Delight Books,” said Fr Anwar Feroze, who knows the victim. “However, because Gulzar Masih had good contacts with suppliers, his business grew. Rauf was not happy with that and quarrelled with his old partner.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-muslim-businessman-falsely-accuses-ch...



No professed 'virtue' within ISLAM, is ever a virtue.

e.g.
The "covenant of protection" for non-moslems.

More examples of how the "covenant of protection" for non-moslems is universally and systematically abused and circumvented [by moslems], so as to always keep non-moslem minorities in a state of constant fear of the moslem majority...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/blasphemy/


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