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Does Abbott think he has it in the bag?
Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:17pm
 
I noted that the right wing media, led by the Australian, have started the Liberals push for another election to be held immediately.

Abbott clearly disappointed at not receiving the unquestioning subservience of the Independents, must think that if he goes back to the polls he will be a shoe in to get more votes, and somehow be able to form a government.

Am I alone in thinking that this is a very dodgy strategy for him to choose?

Does anyone think he has earned extra respect from the Australian public, with his behaviour, in the week since the Election, or actually lost some?

I can see that he currently thinks he has nothing to lose by choosing this option, but I think that is just indicative of how poor his judgement may be.

Maybe he is surrounded by extremist fanboys filling his, (not inconsiderable) Grin, ears, with rhetoric similar to some of the wilder musings that we have seen here, and he truly believes he deserves his time to rule.
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Re: Does Abbott think he has it in the bag?
Reply #1 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:26pm
 
For a moment there I thought you were implying that Tony has slipped one into Foolya. Grin
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Re: Does Abbott think he has it in the bag?
Reply #2 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:28pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:17pm:
I noted that the right wing media, led by the Australian, have started the Liberals push for another election to be held immediately.

Abbott clearly disappointed at not receiving the unquestioning subservience of the Independents, must think that if he goes back to the polls he will be a shoe in to get more votes, and somehow be able to form a government.

Am I alone in thinking that this is a very dodgy strategy for him to choose?

Does anyone think he has earned extra respect from the Australian public, with his behaviour, in the week since the Election, or actually lost some?

I can see that he currently thinks he has nothing to lose by choosing this option, but I think that is just indicative of how poor his judgement may be.

Maybe he is surrounded by extremist fanboys filling his, (not inconsiderable) Grin, ears, with rhetoric similar to some of the wilder musings that we have seen here, and he truly believes he deserves his time to rule.



Yes you are alone.

I'm thinking that Abbott is rightly waiting until all the votes have been counted before declaring his hand on pretty much anything hence why he is dragging his heels on lots of issues. Rightly so too. The will of the people has not been shown fully yet.

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Re: Does Abbott think he has it in the bag?
Reply #3 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:32pm
 
[quote author=mozzaok link=1282882659/0#0 date=1282882658]I noted that the right wing media, led by the Australian, have started the Liberals push for another election to be held immediately.

The only push (if you can call it that) by the media that I've seen, and I've checked out all the papers,  is that they are saying Windsor would seem to be leaning that way.

Maybe a House of reps. election might be a good thing,  hopefully give a clear result for one or other to govern without all the difficulties the minorities could cause either of the two majors.  Just a thought.







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Reply #4 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:41pm
 
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Maybe a House of reps. election might be a good thing,  hopefully give a clear result for one or other to govern without all the difficulties the minorities could cause either of the two majors.  Just a thought.



How so? The GREENS will still run and could well win their seat again the independents will win their seats again and I think we'll either end up with the same result, with maybe even more people voting for independents and GREENS.
The problem is BOTH MAJOR PARTIES SUCK and the voters have worked that out.
The only way I see a major party benefiting from another election is Labor getting back some of those GREENS first preference votes, but I cant see the coalition getting any more, the people who were pissed off with Labor mostly went to the GREENS, the coalition will not attract any new votes.
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Reply #5 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:45pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:17pm:
I noted that the right wing media, led by the Australian, have started the Liberals push for another election to be held immediately.

Abbott clearly disappointed at not receiving the unquestioning subservience of the Independents, must think that if he goes back to the polls he will be a shoe in to get more votes, and somehow be able to form a government.

Am I alone in thinking that this is a very dodgy strategy for him to choose?

Does anyone think he has earned extra respect from the Australian public, with his behaviour, in the week since the Election, or actually lost some?

I can see that he currently thinks he has nothing to lose by choosing this option, but I think that is just indicative of how poor his judgement may be.

Maybe he is surrounded by extremist fanboys filling his, (not inconsiderable) Grin, ears, with rhetoric similar to some of the wilder musings that we have seen here, and he truly believes he deserves his time to rule.



I think if he forces another election so soon after this one the voters will punish him like no other party has been punish. It will be the end of the liberal party as we know it now.

It will be a Labor Goverment with a Green opposition.
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Reply #6 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:45pm
 
Do I think Abbott is pushing for a new election, YES
Do I think its a smart thing to do, NO
All the attack dogs like Ackerman are out there today calling for another election, everybody knows that Ackerman doesn't pick his nose without asking Abbott what to do with the resulting boogers.
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Reply #7 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:46pm
 
Another election would be interesting - would the liblabs have any money for advertising??
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Reply #8 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 3:00pm
 
John S wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:45pm:
I think if he forces another election so soon after this one the voters will punish him like no other party has been punish. It will be the end of the liberal party as we know it now.

It will be a Labor Goverment with a Green opposition.


Who knows what we'll end up with, but I think the Liberals will suffer as a result.

No-one wants to vote again. The expense is astronomical and what an extravagance for an economically conservative party to suggest more waste in the hope of self gain.  
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Reply #9 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 3:12pm
 
I think if we were forced back to the polls that a record number would not even bother turning up. I won't vote again on principle. The result speaks for itself, if they can't accept it, bad luck.
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Re: Does Abbott think he has it in the bag?
Reply #10 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 3:15pm
 
Please delete wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:46pm:
Another election would be interesting - would the liblabs have any money for advertising??


I don't think they should be allowed to campaign the way they did in the lead up to this one....rather should be expected to maintain a relative passive stance, this and allow the public to engage in the debate the way we weren't encouraged to do last time round as could be demonstrated by their having closed down numerous media-associated news message boards in the lead up to their last election campaign.

Even our leading media opinion-polls were biased, whereby only certain opinions were allowed to be posted on certain sites.

Murdoch - Left

Fairfax - right



Perhaps they should be granted fair and even media coverage...(so many hours)...this and only allowed so many self-funded adds (not at the public's expense).... this and be instructed to keep vicious 3rd party's out of their smear campaigns, like the Australian Workers Unions tacky "Abbott family" youtube clips and false scaremongering adds, they had hoped would go viral.

Rather ironic I thought, given it's the Labor party who appear to all be related to one-another.

How could we regulate the fair use of our media, so neither party exploits it for financial gain?

Also, electoral betting should be scrapped, it's down right unethical...and like all betting, only increases the odds of corruption and cheatery.

Not to mention false misleading figures, so as to appease the punters who bet their houses on them thinking they might cash in..

We need a more transparent and ethical electoral system, this is without a doubt, ideally an electoral reform decided by neither one party or the other, only for it to get changed again whenever someone else becomes PM.

The preference voting system is critically flawed, and is in need of reform.

People should be able to list their preferred independents without having to align themselves with their chosen representatives own preferences.


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Reply #11 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 3:16pm
 
I read that the only way they  can go straight to another election would be for the parliament to meet and be so deadlocked that no full-time government could be formed.


However, in the mean time...

So have Hockey and Robb, and maybe Abbott, committed a criminal offence by referring to the costings of the Coalition election promises an an 'Audit'?
petermartin.blogspot.com/.../...or-as-good-as.html

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"Subsequently, I was informed by the Australian Electoral Commission that following an internal audit, an AEC employee had now admitted to improperly dealing with approximately 3000 ballot papers and that numerous potential breaches of the Commonwealth Electoral Act had occurred."
www.adelaidenow.com.au/.../story-fn5rhd15-1225910892936







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Re: Does Abbott think he has it in the bag?
Reply #12 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 3:18pm
 
mantra wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 3:00pm:
John S wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 2:45pm:
I think if he forces another election so soon after this one the voters will punish him like no other party has been punish. It will be the end of the liberal party as we know it now.

It will be a Labor Goverment with a Green opposition.


Who knows what we'll end up with, but I think the Liberals will suffer as a result.

No-one wants to vote again. The expense is astronomical and what an extravagance for an economically conservative party to suggest more waste in the hope of self gain.  


More waste? Since when was the ALP worried about waste?
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Re: Does Abbott think he has it in the bag?
Reply #13 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 3:18pm
 
I am more concerned with three people holding either side to randsom.

We will see pork barrelling of the highest order.
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Re: Does Abbott think he has it in the bag?
Reply #14 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 3:19pm
 
A
Born-to-Rule
mindset is part of Liberal Party DNA

The Liberal Party of Australia has ALWAYS seen itself as a
government-in-exile
when on the opposition benches

Abbot thought he had it 'in the bag' before election day
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