??

Current advice is no.

They shouldn't have had their lives disrupted for 2 years over this mild respiratory virus either.

Still it was good practice for the up coming climate lock downs. ::) ::)

"Should kids get the coronavirus vaccine?"

Yes. Yes they should.

SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) can just as easily cause brain fog damage and heart and other issues in young people as it can in older people.


aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2025 at 7:42am:

Current advice is no. They shouldn't have had their lives disrupted for 2 years over this mild respiratory virus either. Still it was good practice for the up coming climate lock downs. ::) ::)

Twilight Zone.  ::)

Carl D wrote on Jun 16^th, 2025 at 8:57am:

"Should kids get the coronavirus vaccine?" Yes. Yes they should. SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) can just as easily cause brain fog damage and heart and other issues in young people as it can in older people. aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 7:42am: Current advice is no. They shouldn't have had their lives disrupted for 2 years over this mild respiratory virus either. Still it was good practice for the up coming climate lock downs. ::) ::) Twilight Zone.  ::)

Seem you're in the twilight zone  ;D ;D ;D

https://i.ibb.co/sJJ84CsV/Screenshot-2025-06-16-at-18-50-51-COVID-19-vaccine-advice-and-recommendations-Australian-Government.png


https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination#advice-about-regular-covid19-booster-vaccinations

Funny how the respiratory illness seemed to affect heavily polluted areas like cities the most.

Gordon wrote on Jun 16^th, 2025 at 6:52pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 8:57am: "Should kids get the coronavirus vaccine?" Yes. Yes they should. SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) can just as easily cause brain fog damage and heart and other issues in young people as it can in older people. aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2025 at 7:42am: Current advice is no. They shouldn't have had their lives disrupted for 2 years over this mild respiratory virus either. Still it was good practice for the up coming climate lock downs. ::) ::) Twilight Zone.  ::) Seem you're in the twilight zone  ;D ;D ;D https://i.ibb.co/sJJ84CsV/Screenshot-2025-06-16-at-18-50-51-COVID-19-vaccine-advice-and-recommendations-Australian-Government.png https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination#advice-about-regular-covid19-booster-vaccinations

Very good, Gordon.

Now, all we need is for the government to inform the 99.999% of the population who have been led to believe the pandemic is over and/or Covid is now "just a cold" so no more vaccinations are needed about this with a national advertising campaign on the TV and in the newspapers, etc.

As I've said before - they can also include the States in this... starting with WA where, just like last year, not a word was said about Covid in their recent "Don't Assume You're Immune" vaccination advertising campaign.

Carl,

Why are you ignoring the science.

The best scientific minds in Australia have said NO covid vac for children.

You are a dangerous anti science fool

Twilight Zone... tsk, tsk.  ::)

Jasin wrote on Jun 16^th, 2025 at 8:33pm:

Funny how the respiratory illness seemed to affect heavily polluted areas like cities the most.

You mean densely populated cities with public transport, airports and crowded housing?

You're an idiot troll. Get lost.

Jasin wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 7:03pm:

You're an idiot troll. Get lost.

Are the heavily affected areas densely populated cities with extensive public transport infrastructure, international airports and crowded housing?

Is Carl slipping into the same alternative conspiratorial reality the Lastnail has descended into? Sorry, no-one I know GAF about Covid any more that they do colds or flus. Still haven't had it yet or it was so inconsequential I didn't notice, same with the wife. Is that possible after 6 years? My father had it 3 times in a WA nursing home at 88 and it didn't take him out. Carl, realign your negativity and paranoia or continue down the path of Nail.

I'm currently watching the series John Adams on MAX.

Just watched the scene where the Adams family get their smallpox vaccinations.

Not nice  :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWxDLG9_eOU

Setanta wrote on Jun 17^th, 2025 at 8:01pm:

Is Carl slipping into the same alternative conspiratorial reality the Lastnail has descended into? Sorry, no-one I know GAF about Covid any more that they do colds or flus. Still haven't had it yet or it was so inconsequential I didn't notice, same with the wife. Is that possible after 6 years? My father had it 3 times in a WA nursing home at 88 and it didn't take him out. Carl, realign your negativity and paranoia or continue down the path of Nail.

No.

But, I feel like I'm living in an alternate reality when governments advise people to get their flu vaccinations but completely ignore telling everyone to also get their Covid vaccinations - especially when Covid is still at least 5 times more deadly than the flu here in Australia.

I'm guessing it's almost impossible for governments to BS people into believing the flu has "gone away" or it's now "just a cold" like they've done with Covid due to the length of time the flu has been around compared with Covid (but I'm sure they would give it a go if they thought they had any chance of getting away with it).

Twilight Zone indeed.

"Should kids get the coronavirus vaccine?"



I HEARD IT ON A RADIO NEWS BULLETIN LAST WEEK.....

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'Governemt Health Departments across Australia cannot understand why vaccination rates in Australia are 'historically' so low, .....and why so many people are so reluctant today, to get vaccinated.'

Duh !

They know very well.......why
.....and so does everyone else with at least two functioning brain cells..

Lack of veracity.....of the dangers of mRNA vaccines associated with 'the COVID pandemic'.

veracity = = conformity to facts; accuracy.   habitual truthfulness.




WWW search....
covid vaccine safety study data, lacking veracity
covid vaccine safety studies, lacking veracity




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The Autopsy Data Are In: What They Reveal About COVID-19 Vaccines and Public Health Oversight James Lyons-Weiler Editorial 02/06/2025 Editorial Two newly published peer-reviewed studies in Science, Public Health Policy & the Law provide critical forensic evidence that strengthens the link between COVID-19 vaccination and a range of fatal adverse events. The systematic review led by Hulscher et al. and the VAERS-based autopsy analysis by Rose together represent an important step forward in our effort to understand COVID-19 vaccine safety through post-mortem investigation. These studies highlight both the urgent need for greater transparency in pre-release and pre-approval vaccine safety science and the systemic failures that have hindered the collection of autopsy data in the COVID-19 era. A Pattern in Post-Vaccination Deaths The Hulscher et al. systematic review examined 325 autopsy cases from 44 published studies, finding that 73.9% of deaths were adjudicated by independent physicians as being directly caused by or significantly linked to COVID-19 vaccination​. The leading causes of death included: – Sudden cardiac death (35%) – Pulmonary embolism (12.5%) – Myocardial infarction (12%) – Vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT, 7.9%) – Myocarditis (7.1%) – Multisystem inflammatory syndrome (4.6%) – Cerebral hemorrhage (3.8%) Most deaths occurred within one to two weeks of vaccination, with the highest concentration in the first week. The temporal relationship between vaccination and fatal outcomes suggests an urgent need for deeper forensic investigation. However, while the autopsies in Hulscher et al.’s study provide invaluable insight, they are only part of the picture. Rose’s (2025) new analysis of VAERS autopsy data exposes an even larger issue: the dramatic decline in autopsy rates despite rising post-vaccine deaths. The Vanishing Autopsies: What Rose’s Study Reveals If an increase in unexpected deaths follows the administration of a medical intervention, the logical response is to increase forensic investigations. Yet, Rose’s analysis of VAERS autopsy data from 2021 to 2023 demonstrates the opposite​: – The absolute number of autopsy reports in VAERS increased by 1,714% compared to influenza vaccines. – Paradoxically, the rate of autopsies per reported death declined by 77.6%. This paradox suggests that while more post-vaccine deaths were reported, fewer autopsies were conducted to determine causality. The study further demonstrates that the majority of COVID-19 vaccine-associated autopsies linked the cause of death to cardiovascular events, including: – Myocarditis (11%) – Cardiac arrest (12%) – Pulmonary embolism (16%) Strikingly, when compared to influenza vaccines, VAERS data contained no cases of cardiac arrest or pulmonary embolism as a cause of death following influenza vaccination. This discrepancy further supports concerns over unique cardiovascular risks associated with COVID-19 vaccines.

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Why the Decrease in Autopsy Rates? Rose’s findings raise a pressing question: Why were fewer autopsies performed when they were needed most? The study points to several contributing factors​: 1. Systematic discouragement of autopsies—During the COVID-19 pandemic, medical institutions actively discouraged autopsies, citing concerns about viral transmission. This reluctance appears to have extended into the vaccine era, despite the clear need for forensic clarity. 2. Gaps in VAERS reporting—While autopsies should be systematically recorded in VAERS for cases of post-vaccine mortality, many reports list only “death” with no additional details, limiting their forensic utility. 3. Institutional reluctance to probe vaccine-related fatalities—Given the scale and urgency of the vaccine rollout, regulatory agencies may have been hesitant to conduct widespread forensic investigations that could raise public concerns. This failure to perform and record autopsies represents a significant void in our understanding of vaccine safety. Had systematic forensic investigations been conducted from the outset, we might have better characterized these risks and taken steps to prevent unnecessary deaths. The Urgent Need for Systematic Autopsy Studies Both studies reinforce the critical importance of post-mortem analysis in assessing vaccine safety. Given the documented cardiovascular risks associated with mRNA-based vaccines, the absence of widespread forensic investigations is particularly concerning. Evidence continues to emerge that spike protein toxicity, lipid nanoparticle biodistribution, and immune dysregulation may contribute to post-vaccine fatal outcomes​. Historical precedent also demands a more proactive approach. Previous vaccines, including the 1976 swine flu vaccine (linked to Guillain-Barré Syndrome) and the 1998 Rotashield vaccine (linked to intussusception), were withdrawn in response to a fraction of the adverse event reports now associated with COVID-19 vaccination​. The lack of forensic scrutiny surrounding COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths is anomalous and inconsistent with past safety practices. Conclusions: A Scientific and Ethical Imperative The findings from Hulscher et al. and Rose collectively underscore a critical need for reform in vaccine safety monitoring and forensic investigation. Moving forward, the following actions are called for: 1. Deaths in clinical trials should not be ruled out causally for first-in-human exposures. 2. Autopsies should be mandatory for all sudden, unexplained deaths post-vaccination. 3. A forensic review of VAERS autopsy data should be conducted to fill existing knowledge gaps. 4. Independent oversight bodies must be established to ensure transparency in vaccine safety investigations. If we are to uphold scientific integrity and public trust, we must ensure that every post-vaccine death receives the level of scrutiny it warrants. Science, Public Health Policy & the Law has provided a vital service in publishing these studies, which challenge prevailing narratives on vaccine safety. The question now is whether regulatory agencies and medical institutions will act on this evidence—or continue to look the other way. References Hulscher N, Alexander P E., Amerling R, Gessling H, Hodkinson R, Makis W et al. A Systematic Review Of Autopsy Findings In Deaths After COVID-19 Vaccination. Science, Public Health Policy and the Law. 2024 Nov 17; v5.2019-2024 Rose J. Reports Of Autopsies In VAERS And Associated Adverse Events Linked To Cause Of Death. Science, Public Health Policy and the Law. 2025 Feb 07; v6.2019-2025

https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/the-autopsy-data-are-in-what-they-reveal-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-public-health-oversight/

At this point in time - anyone giving a baby/child a vaccine should be charged with Child Abuse …

Yes, why is there no Covid vaccine for children in Australia?

https://x.com/psvbluemts/status/1928966202782892461


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Why no C19 vax for children in Australia? Last year, ACIP reported 58 deaths in infants ages less than a year, 44 deaths in children ages 1-4 years and 81 deaths in children ages 5-19 years.  50% of children hospitalised with COVID had no underlying health conditions.

https://x.com/55leeanne/status/1929053028985749937


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Good question.  WHY?    Is it the cost, or as I suspect, the continuing priority of dismissing Covid as a threat to anyone other than the elderly? The Govt are derelict in not informing the public of the long term dangers of Covid infection on any age group.

Yes, sure seems like it.

https://www.cdc.gov/acip/evidence-to-recommendations/covid-19-2024-2025-6-months-and-older-etr.html


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Children without underlying medical conditions continue to be hospitalized with COVID-19 and have severe outcomes. Out of all children with a COVID-19-associated hospitalization between July 2023 and March 2024, 50% had no underlying medical conditions; and, of those, 18% were admitted to the intensive care unit. When comparing annual hospitalizations due to COVID-19 in the US pediatric population compared to other vaccine preventable diseases prior to their respective vaccine recommendations, there were higher rates of COVID-19 hospitalizations during 2022-2023 and 2023-2024. Similarly, when comparing pediatric deaths per year in the United States due to COVID-19 compared to other vaccine preventable diseases prior to their respective vaccine recommendations, there were a higher number of deaths due to COVID-19 in 2023.

Oh, while I'm here - I was looking for this a while ago to use in another thread. A compilation of screenshots of some of the "promises" Anthony Albanese made about how he was going to deal with Covid if he was elected in the 2022 Federal election. All while criticising Scott Morrison, of course.

(Take special note of the "Parents deserve to know..." and "Kids can get sick from Covid..." posts).

Then, after winning the election he did (and continues to do)... absolutely nothing. Worthless lying piece of sh!t.

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So you're going against the science?
The chief health officer says no but Carl knows better .

Narcissist

I prefer my science to come from medical people who have no connection with (and don't have their strings pulled by) politicians.

Carl D wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2025 at 12:17pm:

I prefer my science to come from medical people who have no connection with (and don't have their strings pulled by) politicians.

But when those government scientists recommended lockdowns , you were fine with it.


So you like science that agrees with your bias and beliefs  ::)

Intriguing  :-[ :-[

Carl D wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2025 at 12:17pm:

I prefer my science to come from medical people who have no connection with (and don't have their strings pulled by) politicians.

I worked on a Medical research Institute for decades.

I believe the risk to reward ratio for children means a covid  vaccination for them is not recommended.
ie, kids usually recover from covid ok. It's still better for them to not get it.

Kids don't need to get the covid vaccine because Omicron doesn't cause severe illness in young children.  And children who are infected with Omicron tend to only get a mild illness anyway so do not need to be hospitalised.

Personally I will not have an mRNA vaccine. 

Aquarius wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 8:46am:

Kids don't need to get the covid vaccine because Omicron doesn't cause severe illness in young children.  And children who are infected with Omicron tend to only get a mild illness anyway so do not need to be hospitalised. Personally I will not have an mRNA vaccine.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749984214/17#17


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Children without underlying medical conditions continue to be hospitalized with COVID-19 and have severe outcomes. Out of all children with a COVID-19-associated hospitalization between July 2023 and March 2024, 50% had no underlying medical conditions; and, of those, 18% were admitted to the intensive care unit.

This is in the US but it also applies to Australia and everywhere else in the world.

And, mRNA vaccines are safe - despite what the antivaxxers say.

https://www.globalvaccinedatanetwork.org/news/how_mrna_vaccines_are_made_why_they_are_very_safe

Please don't go against the science and advise childhood covid vaccination.

Much smarter people then you have advised against it

Last thing a kid needs is to feel punctured by Lefties.

Jasin wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 7:26pm:

Last thing a kid needs is to feel punctured by Lefties.

If the left aren't injected them with Pfizer's ineffective rubbish, they are injecting them with puberty blockers

Why is there so much "drama" about kids getting a Covid vaccination?

But, I never see or have seen any such "drama" about this:

Childhood immunisation schedule

A series of free vaccinations is available for children aged 0 to 4 years to protect them against serious diseases

Even influenza is in the schedule.

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?...

Cold and Flu are good for you.
They build your immune system up 'naturally'.
Short term pain, long term gain.

Maybe not, Jas.

CDC: 13% of kids who died from flu this year had brain damage


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Today in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, researchers from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) say that 13% of children who have died from seasonal flu this season had influenza-associated encephalopathy or encephalitis (IAE), a severe neurologic complication. Included in these cases are four patients who had acute necrotizing encephalopathy (ANE), the most severe form of IAE, which can lead to varying degrees of brain dysfunction, inflammation, and other neurologic problems. The data come from the Influenza-Associated Pediatric Mortality Surveillance System, which has tracked kids' flu deaths since 2004. Encephalitis is swelling of the brain, while encephalopathy is a more general term for brain dysfunction that is not primarily an inflammatory condition.

And...

How the Flu Virus Invades the Brain


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Summary: Researchers uncovered how the influenza virus may infiltrate the brain, leading to a serious condition known as influenza-associated encephalopathy (IAE). The study identifies endothelial cells, which form the blood-brain barrier, as the primary entry points for the virus. The team found that traditional antivirals that block viral replication were ineffective against this mode of invasion, but those that inhibit viral protein synthesis showed promise in reducing symptoms and mortality in a mouse model. This breakthrough offers potential new treatment avenues for IAE and similar viral encephalopathies.

Well, well... it isn't just Covid that can cause brain fog damage.

As I've said before... if governments thought they had the slightest chance of getting away with making (almost) everyone believe the flu has "gone away" (like they've done with Covid) I'm sure they would be right onto it.

Carl D wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 9:19pm:

Why is there so much "drama" about kids getting a Covid vaccination? But, I never see or have seen any such "drama" about this: Childhood immunisation schedule A series of free vaccinations is available for children aged 0 to 4 years to protect them against serious diseases Even influenza is in the schedule. Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?...

Could it be because
These vaccines WORK.

ever heard of anyone getting tetanus or diphtheria after vaccination.

Never. Not one.

But plenty of people with multiple covid vaccines get it over and over.
Clearly the stuff is garbage.
Doesn't do what it was supposed to do.
Which is why sane people stop being scammed

Plenty of people keep getting the flu over and over after having the flu vaccine every year.

Doesn't mean the flu vaccine isn't working.

Just like the Covid vaccine, it keeps a lot of people out of hospital (and the morgue).

So, again... why all the "drama" about Covid vaccinations in particular?

Oh, and again... why do governments (including our own State and Federal governments) refuse to talk about Covid anymore, even in vaccination advertising campaigns?

And, why did Albanese blatantly lie about Covid before the 2022 Federal election? One of the lies was setting up a "Mass public information campaign" about vaccination (the word "campaign" is obscured in the screenshot).

(Don't bother answering... the questions are purely rhetorical).

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Incorrect

Fluvax is 70 % effective.
Not perfect but not bad.
I get it every 3 yrs or so

And it's a vaccine that's been out for 60 yrs

And it's not using your own genes via rna so it can't hurt you.

Covid Vax is

New
Rushed through
Should have been tested for 10 years of trials like ever other vaccine.
A novel technology
Definitely caused cardiac issues .
And
FAIRLY USELESS.

It's a lemon

Carl D wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2025 at 8:52am:

Aquarius wrote on Jun 23rd, 2025 at 8:46am: Kids don't need to get the covid vaccine because Omicron doesn't cause severe illness in young children.  And children who are infected with Omicron tend to only get a mild illness anyway so do not need to be hospitalised. Personally I will not have an mRNA vaccine.  https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749984214/17#17 Quote: Children without underlying medical conditions continue to be hospitalized with COVID-19 and have severe outcomes. Out of all children with a COVID-19-associated hospitalization between July 2023 and March 2024, 50% had no underlying medical conditions; and, of those, 18% were admitted to the intensive care unit. This is in the US but it also applies to Australia and everywhere else in the world. And, mRNA vaccines are safe - despite what the antivaxxers say. https://www.globalvaccinedatanetwork.org/news/how_mrna_vaccines_are_made_why_they_are_very_safe

It is more relevant to observe the Australian statistics rather than the US. They will always have more deaths in winter due to their worse conditions.


Covid Deaths in Australia from 2020 - 2024

Males 0-19 years - 14

Females 0-19 years - 10

It is not recommended that children up to 17 have the vaccine.

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia-deaths-registered-until-31-january-2024

Most of the deaths were due to pre existing chronic conditions, and being immunocompromised.

And I am NOT an antivaxxer. However I will not have the flu vaccine because I never get the flu.  I had it once when I was 18 and that was the only time.  I obviously have an immunity to flu and I have worked through several flu epidemics. That was tough because obviously you cannot get agency staff because you're in lockdown so that meant at times working with a skeleton staff and having to do double shifts.  But the last vaccine I had was the whooping cough/diphtheria/tenanus triple vaccine in 2016 because there was an epidemic of whooping cough on the Northern Beaches and I wanted to see my new baby grandson who was too young to be vaccinated.  This epidemic was caused by anti-vaxxers refusing to get their infants immunised. 

The original covid virus has continued to mutate as viruses do.  It is not the same virus and our immune systems are catching up.  Whilst we will always remain 2 to 3 steps behind - we're just dealing with another respiratory virus at the moment. 

As for the effectiveness of mRNA vaccines - I still prefer the traditional ones that don't need to be stored at -70 Celsius which is colder than Antarctica!  The mRNA vaccines have been around since the 60s but never used for humans until Ebola. And as we know, it takes 10.7 years for a vaccine to be developed and then marketed. That is to ensure long-term safety, the technology is proven and that all side-effects are tested.