https://www.reuters.com/world/india/plane-crashes-indias-ahmedabad-airport-tv-channels-report-2025-06-12/


Air India plane crashes at India's Ahmedabad airport, source says

By Reuters

June 12, 2025    6:48 PM GMT+10    Updated 2 min ago



NEW DELHI, June 12 (Reuters) - An Air India plane crashed at the airport in India's western city of Ahmedabad, television channels reported on Thursday, without specifying whether there were any fatalities.
The plane was headed to Birmingham, an aviation source told Reuters.

The crash occurred when the aircraft was taking off, the TV channels reported. Visuals showed debris on fire, with thick black smoke rising up into the sky near the airport.
More than 100 people were on board the flight, channels said.
They also showed visuals of people being moved in stretchers and being taken away in ambulances.
Reporting by Sakshi Dayal; Editing by YP Rajesh

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/video/plane-crashes-near-ahmedabad-airport-during-takeoff-fire-engines-rush-to-spot-video-2739690-2025-06-12

Video:

Plane crashes near Ahmedabad Airport, fire engines rush to spot.


A plane crashed near Ahmedabad airport in Gujarat on Thursday reportedly during take-off.
Visuals showed heavy smoke billowing near the area,
as India Today learnt that seven fire engines rushed to the spot.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/plane-crashes-indias-ahmedabad-airport-tv-channels-report-2025-06-12/

Air India plane crashes at India's Ahmedabad airport, source says


By Reuters
June 12, 2025      7:05 PM GMT+10      Updated 15 min ago



NEW DELHI, June 12 (Reuters) - An Air India plane with more than 200 people on board crashed near the airport in India's western city of Ahmedabad, the airline and police officials said on Thursday, without specifying whether there were any fatalities.
The plane was headed to London's Gatwick airport in the UK, Air India said, while police officers said it crashed in a civilian area near the airport.

"At this moment, we are ascertaining the details and will share further updates," Air India said on X.
The crash occurred when the aircraft was taking off, television channels reported. Visuals showed debris on fire, with thick black smoke rising up into the sky near the airport.
They also showed visuals of people being moved in stretchers and being taken away in ambulances.
A total of 242 people were on board the flight,
news agency ANI reported, citing Gujarat state's police control room.
India's CNN News18 TV channel, however, said there were 220 passengers and 12 crew on the plane.

May the toilets exploded

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr42drdkwyxo

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/plane-crashes-indias-ahmedabad-airport-tv-channels-report-2025-06-12/


It was a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner.



https://www.travelandtourworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/image-46.jpg

Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner.

https://www.ifn.news/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Air-India-Boeing-787-8-e1633698368533-678x381.jpg

A Boeing airliner crashes again!

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1749723051211


less than 1 min ago

Citizens of India, UK, Canada and Portugal on board the flight

From CNN's Antoinette Radford

According to Air India, there were nationals from India, the UK, Canada and Portugal on the Air India flight 171.

169 are Indian nationals
53 are British nationals
1 is a Canadian national
7 are Portuguese nationals
CNN has reached out to officials for more information.

I blame Moslems and Mexicans.

As Heath Ledger said as the Joker
"Some people just like to watch the world burn"

...and the Left are fanning the flames. 🔥

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 6:56pm:

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/plane-crashes-indias-ahmedabad-airport-tv-channels-report-2025-06-12/ Air India plane crashes at India's Ahmedabad airport, source says By Reuters June 12, 2025    6:48 PM GMT+10    Updated 2 min ago NEW DELHI, June 12 (Reuters) - An Air India plane crashed at the airport in India's western city of Ahmedabad, television channels reported on Thursday, without specifying whether there were any fatalities. The plane was headed to Birmingham, an aviation source told Reuters. The crash occurred when the aircraft was taking off, the TV channels reported. Visuals showed debris on fire, with thick black smoke rising up into the sky near the airport. More than 100 people were on board the flight, channels said. They also showed visuals of people being moved in stretchers and being taken away in ambulances. Reporting by Sakshi Dayal; Editing by YP Rajesh

This video shows plane had landing gear down descent rate shows coming in to land before crash.

https://x.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1933095447230591321

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 8:54pm:

This video shows plane had landing gear down descent rate shows coming in to land before crash. https://x.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1933095447230591321

The wheels are still down and I don't think the flaps are deployed -
but I'm not sure.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 9:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 8:54pm: This video shows plane had landing gear down descent rate shows coming in to land before crash. https://x.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1933095447230591321 How come the wheels are still down?

As a pilot it looks like plane was coming in to land.

Why do you believe everything the fake news publishes?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 9:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 9:01pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 8:54pm: This video shows plane had landing gear down descent rate shows coming in to land before crash. https://x.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1933095447230591321 How come the wheels are still down? As a pilot it looks like plane was coming in to land. Why do you believe everything the fake news publishes?

It's not fake. 

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 9:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 9:07pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 9:01pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 8:54pm: This video shows plane had landing gear down descent rate shows coming in to land before crash. https://x.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1933095447230591321 How come the wheels are still down? As a pilot it looks like plane was coming in to land. Why do you believe everything the fake news publishes? It's not fake.  forgiven namaste

It's fake news they said plane was taking off.

Looks like plane was coming in to land gear down descent rate and AOA shows landing.

AOA increases just before crash nose too high going to slow looks like pilot error.

Doesn't look like flaps are in landing/takeoff position either.

I liked flying United they employed ex fighter pilots before that woke garbage infected hiring

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1749730066981

7 min ago

Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1749731780749


The United Kingdom’s King Charles said he and Queen Camilla are
“desperately shocked” by the “terrible events” in Ahmedabad.

“Our special prayers and deepest possible sympathy are with the families and friends
of all those affected by this appallingly tragic incident across so many nations,
as they await news of their loved ones,” the King said
in a message posted to the Royal Family’s official X account.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 10:08pm:

Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed.

Phew! At least none of them were black and en route to Chicago. eh, Blooby, you f**king racist piece of trash. 

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 10:08pm:

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1749730066981 7 min ago Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed.

There's one survivor - a British man.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, who was in seat 11A of the flight, said the aircraft crashed almost immediately after takeoff. It is believed his brother was on the same flight.

“Thirty seconds after takeoff there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh told the Hindustan Times from a general ward in the civil hospital in Asarwa, Ahmedabad.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 7:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm: https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1749730066981 7 min ago Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed. There's one survivor - a British man. Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, who was in seat 11A of the flight, said the aircraft crashed almost immediately after takeoff. It is believed his brother was on the same flight. “Thirty seconds after takeoff there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh told the Hindustan Times from a general ward in the civil hospital in Asarwa, Ahmedabad.

It's a miracle that he survived.

Gordon wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 7:32pm:

May the toilets exploded https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr42drdkwyxo

Looks like you may be right Gordo

The show has been unwatchable for more than half of its 18 years.

The panel show failed because of its tedious whataboutery. If one panellist was invited along who had a particular view of the world, another with the precise opposite view would be installed in the interests of balance. The reach for yin and yang commentary became ridiculous, and on social media Q+A became known as The Very Bad Show.

The most exciting thing about the show in recent years was its shift from an ampersand between the Q and the A to a plus sign in 2022.

Frank - I think you posted in the wrong thread.

forgiven

namaste

Trump calling in the National guard was a very good thing.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 7:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm: https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1749730066981 7 min ago Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed. There's one survivor - a British man. Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, who was in seat 11A of the flight, said the aircraft crashed almost immediately after takeoff. It is believed his brother was on the same flight. “Thirty seconds after takeoff there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh told the Hindustan Times from a general ward in the civil hospital in Asarwa, Ahmedabad.

That was astounding! Lucky seat 11A (a window seat at that). He may have survived but did he sustain any injuries/burns?
The footage shows the plane coming in to land then crashed…yet it says it happened after take off?
Did the plane do a u-turn after taking off to come back to land?

Sophia wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 9:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 7:31am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm: https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1749730066981 7 min ago Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed. There's one survivor - a British man. Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, who was in seat 11A of the flight, said the aircraft crashed almost immediately after takeoff. It is believed his brother was on the same flight. “Thirty seconds after takeoff there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” Ramesh told the Hindustan Times from a general ward in the civil hospital in Asarwa, Ahmedabad. That was astounding! Lucky seat 11A (a window seat at that). He may have survived but did he sustain any injuries/burns? The footage shows the plane coming in to land then crashed…yet it says it happened after take off? Did the plane do a u-turn after taking off to come back to land?

It was taking off, but struggled to get altitude.

From this video there is an expert comment:


@CaptainSteve777

56 minutes ago

25,000-hour B777 captain here.  It may be pilot error.  Selecting flaps up after takeoff instead of the landing gear is my theory, and it explains why the gear stayed fully down. The crash pics show the L/E slats extended on the ground with little or no T/E flaps extended. That could not have been the T/O configuration, and "proves" the flaps were selected up after T/O.  Selecting flaps up at a speed behind the power curve would feel to the flying pilot like a loss of power, thus the "mayday lost power" radio call.  If true, the FDR will confirm.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbDJjgN7Xbo

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 9:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 9:20pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 9:07pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 9:01pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 8:54pm: This video shows plane had landing gear down descent rate shows coming in to land before crash. https://x.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1933095447230591321 How come the wheels are still down? As a pilot it looks like plane was coming in to land. Why do you believe everything the fake news publishes? It's not fake.  forgiven namaste It's fake news they said plane was taking off.

What the hell is wrong with you?   :-/

You can see the plane on the ground and then lift off.

5 mins 10 secs

https://youtu.be/SbDJjgN7Xbo

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 8:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 6:56pm: https://www.reuters.com/world/india/plane-crashes-indias-ahmedabad-airport-tv-channels-report-2025-06-12/ Air India plane crashes at India's Ahmedabad airport, source says By Reuters June 12, 2025    6:48 PM GMT+10    Updated 2 min ago NEW DELHI, June 12 (Reuters) - An Air India plane crashed at the airport in India's western city of Ahmedabad, television channels reported on Thursday, without specifying whether there were any fatalities. The plane was headed to Birmingham, an aviation source told Reuters. The crash occurred when the aircraft was taking off, the TV channels reported. Visuals showed debris on fire, with thick black smoke rising up into the sky near the airport. More than 100 people were on board the flight, channels said. They also showed visuals of people being moved in stretchers and being taken away in ambulances. Reporting by Sakshi Dayal; Editing by YP Rajesh This video shows plane had landing gear down descent rate shows coming in to land before crash. https://x.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1933095447230591321

Sure looked like it was landing not taking off.

Edit - that's how it looked in the first video.

The second video was more informative.

Ron Bartsch is a leading expert in aviation safety and chairman of Avlaw — a respected international aviation consulting company.

He said it appears the aircraft's flaps — which help increase lift on take-off and landing — do not appear to be in the right position, and the landing gear is down.

"There are some abnormalities with the video that I've seen," he told ABC NEWS Verify.

"The fact that the aircraft still appears to be with its gear down and flaps retracted at 600 feet after take-off is not the usual configuration for an aircraft.

"The aircraft would have been very close to maximum take-off weight, the ambient conditions were around 40 degrees Celsius — so they're not conditions for aircraft performance.

"The aircraft can climb with its gear down, but at a low speed like that, it would need to have extra lift generated by the flaps, so obviously in the configuration it was at the time, it wasn't able to climb," Professor Bartsch said.

He added that it is early days in the investigation but said engine failure was unlikely.

"Double engine failures is virtually something that can be completely ruled out because the chances of an engine failure in these modern aircraft is very, very remote," Professor Bartsch said.

"It really does appear that there's been some degree of human error in this catastrophe."

Guy Hirst, a career pilot and aviation educator, told the ABC that a bird strike could have caused the incident.

"Ahmedabad does suffer quite a lot from flocks of birds, and although they've been doing quite a lot at the airport to try and reduce the possibilities, that is always a possibility."

Another expert agreed that pilot error could be the blame.

"This is indicative of the pilots pulling up the flaps instead of the landing gear after take-off," former pilot and aviation analyst James Nixon told ABC Melbourne.

Aviation expert Keith Tonkin told ABC News Breakfast, the landing gear being left down shows the pilots were occupied.

"The fact that the landing gear was left down probably indicates that the pilots were pretty busy trying to deal with whatever those circumstances were," he said.

According to Reuters, air traffic control said the plane made an "mayday" call — signalling an emergency — just after take-off, but after that point, there was no response from the aircraft.

Authorities are now working to find the aircraft's black box — an on-board crash-protected recording device, which captures aircraft data and sound from the cockpit.

Video to me says no flaps and slats... nose went up - either the pilots tried to gun it out of an incipient stall or it stalled first ... not enough lift for the speed without flaps and slats, and no room for nose down to build speed.

FFS - fundamental error... kinda makes you wish you'd signed up for the kamikaze corps, don' it ... instead of planning a world trip?

No - I didn't see the expert's opinion below.

No word on fatalities?  There was one survivor - a Brit.  Hot air is thinner and provides less lift ... pilots should be well trained in that... this is like the Heathrow VC-10 crash decades ago ... slats and flaps in too early... and that was cool air.

Were the pilots drunk or something?  Cockpit management wrong?

At this early stage, I’m reluctant to label this accident “human error” but it’s worth observing that at around the time the aircraft started its terminal descent into the ground, the undercarriage was still deployed. Landing gear retraction is the first configuration change after lift-off. As soon as the aircraft is confirmed airborne and with a positive rate of climb the pilots retract the gear. It has no more use and simply creates aerodynamic drag so it is raised into the airframe.

The key question here is – were the flaps retracted after take-off instead of the undercarriage?

David Evans was a Qantas pilot for 37 years.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-can-t-be-certain-what-caused-the-air-india-crash-but-there-s-one-thing-my-pilot-s-eyes-can-t-ignore-20250613-p5m76n.html

Ron Bartsch is a leading expert in aviation safety and chairman of Avlaw — a respected international aviation consulting company.

He said it appears the aircraft's flaps — which help increase lift on take-off and landing — do not appear to be in the right position, and the landing gear is down.

"There are some abnormalities with the video that I've seen," he told ABC NEWS Verify.

"The fact that the aircraft still appears to be with its gear down and flaps retracted at 600 feet after take-off is not the usual configuration for an aircraft.

"The aircraft would have been very close to maximum take-off weight, the ambient conditions were around 40 degrees Celsius — so they're not conditions for aircraft performance.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-13/india-plane-crash-what-happened-video-flight-data/105414220

Here is a full video of takeoff to crash
https://x.com/Pulsebyshinde/status/1933171445003391136

Looked OK up to V1 which is where you decide to continue or abort.

At VR plane lifted off appeared to climb ok no problem so far.

Around 30 seconds into video appears plane stops climbing.

With one engine out and the other working plane should achieve V2 speed which gives climb around 200 ft/min.

Even if one engine fails landing gear should be brought up to reduce drag to maintain V2 speed.

Flaps help low speed flight he wasn't going fast enough to reduce them it doesn't look like they were set for takeoff.

The plane was nose high going too slow and stalled. Pilot should have pushed stick forward and levelled out to keep speed nose up slowed it even further.
Yes there was an emergency first rule in those situations is fly the plane.

Link mentions possible failure with FADEC it could have been a bird strike like Captain Sully had when he landed in Hudson river.

Takeoff is the most dangerous part with flying you have no speed or altitude where you can push nose down to gain speed plane is at it heaviest which means stall speeds are higher.
Look what happened with Concorde crash.

Yep - I don't see flaps.  FFS .... second nature on takeoff and landing.. got up coupla hundred feet then faltered - lack of lift.  Plenty of power from the dust swirls on liftoff.... also crabbed to the right a bit... possible engine failure...

Full investigation as to why  - if that is the case - and how the pilots missed flaps and slats.  When I were learning to fly, flaps were tested with engines off to check batteries - if they wouldn't extend properly on battery power alone, no fly today.  Cockpit check lists are clear and there are warnings about flaps etc.

I'm going with flaps not set - tired or drunk pilots or something or arguing over something or playing with the hosties.

Not a good year for aviation so far, is it?

Full list of horror plane crashes in 2025 that have claimed the lives of 383 passengers

You won't catch me getting on a plane anytime in the near future. In fact, probably never.

I can't help but wonder if a certain virus that isn't talked about anymore but has been proved to cause brain damage (referred to as "brain fog" to try and make it sound mostly harmless) - especially with multiple infections - has a lot to do with this?

Going anywhere near pilots and air traffic controllers affected by brain "fog". I'll pass, thanks.

Carl D wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 10:13am:

Not a good year for aviation so far, is it? Full list of horror plane crashes in 2025 that have claimed the lives of 383 passengers You won't catch me getting on a plane anytime in the near future. In fact, probably never. I can't help but wonder if a certain virus that isn't talked about anymore but has been proved to cause brain damage (referred to as "brain fog" to try and make it sound mostly harmless) - especially with multiple infections - has a lot to do with this? Going anywhere near pilots and air traffic controllers affected by brain "fog". I'll pass, thanks.

What about bus drivers? Zimmer-frame drivers?

Moving right along...

Aussie cricket star David Warner has vowed to NEVER fly with Air India again after plane crash disaster


Quote:

Former Australian cricketer David Warner has vowed to never fly Air India against after the recent plane crash disaster that killed 274 people. On June 12, Air India Flight AI171, a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner enroute from Ahmedabad to London Gatwick, crashed shortly after takeoff, resulting in 274 fatalities, including 241 onboard and 33 on the ground.

Quote:

Warner, who recently returned to Pakistan for the completion of the PSL, shared an alleged account from an ex-Air India crew person named Vivek that had been posted to social media. 'Hey! I'm an ex air india crew and this was a frequent aircraft that I'd fly,' the original post read. 'This aircraft has had issues for YEARS. Literally years. 'The crew, pilots, engineers, literally everyone has always mentioned about it in the log book. 'But the company didn't have a spare Dreamliner for their most precious Gatwick sector. Which is why we were always made to fly this aircraft. 'I've myself had an engine failure on this aircraft. Thankfully we landed back safely. 'It was a similar case where we took off and immediately landed back without being in air for even 30 mins. 'Here, no staff but solely the company is at fault. But the company won't let any staff talk about it on a public channel. They'd rather blame the staff and not take accountability.'

Interesting.

But, the "black boxes" have now been recovered so I don't think it should take too long to pinpoint the cause of this disaster.

Marla wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 12:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm: Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed. Phew! At least none of them were black and en route to Chicago. eh, Blooby, you f**king racist piece of trash.

Nope. They were curry-munchers on their way to London to live. England is basically colonised by Indians.

This is a fascinating read about miraculous survivors of plane crashes.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/sole-survivors-of-plane-crashes-why-do-people-survive-crashes-when-noone-else-does/ff70f491-497c-4757-8b41-18952b77f586

Some interesting pointers about seats location and crashes.
Seems best to sit in back third of plane where I usually sit  :)

https://www.9news.com.au/world/plane-crash-accident-survival-south-korea-jeju-air-azerbaijan-disasters/74dfb479-1e4e-4c1a-9fe2-b6f2aadbce47

Jasin wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 8:08am:

Gordon wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 7:32pm: May the toilets exploded https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr42drdkwyxo Looks like you may be right Gordo

Have you got a few hundred more jokes?

They could be put on the memorial

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Marla wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 12:37am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm: Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed. Phew! At least none of them were black and en route to Chicago. eh, Blooby, you f**king racist piece of trash.  Nope. They were curry-munchers on their way to London to live. England is basically colonised by Indians.

You’re right, English is an Indo-European language, and contains many Sanskrit words.
You probably have proto-Indian ancestors yourself.
Also it is nigh on impossible to munch curry, toast yes but curry no.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 8:24am:

Yep - I don't see flaps.  FFS .... second nature on takeoff and landing.. got up coupla hundred feet then faltered - lack of lift.  Plenty of power from the dust swirls on liftoff.... also crabbed to the right a bit... possible engine failure... Full investigation as to why  - if that is the case - and how the pilots missed flaps and slats.  When I were learning to fly, flaps were tested with engines off to check batteries - if they wouldn't extend properly on battery power alone, no fly today.  Cockpit check lists are clear and there are warnings about flaps etc. I'm going with flaps not set - tired or drunk pilots or something or arguing over something or playing with the hosties.

Like all crashes it's a combination of mistakes not just one cause.

I doubt flaps caused it flight radar showed it peaked at 625ft flight problems would have showed up before it reached that altutude.

Pilot complained loss of power yet first video i posted you can hear engine working plane can still fly with one engine.
No sparks or flames coming out which is common with ingesting stuff into engine.

It was flying with nose high AOA which increases drag reducing lift if you're not going fast.
Planes hold nosewheel off the ground with this AOA when landing to increase drag helping slow down.

If 1 engine failed he should have pushed the nose down neutral AOA level flight hold 600ft altitude until speed builds up lift landing gear.They can fly Ok on one engine. Next step would be considering dumping fuel before turning around to land as maximum takeoff weight is always higher than maximum landing weight.

If it was a problem with both engines he was going down just a question of where.

It crashed into a student accommodation… and 24 people on the ground died as a result, on top of the number of passengers that died.  :'(

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 7:25pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14th, 2025 at 1:34pm: Marla wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 12:37am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm: Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed. Phew! At least none of them were black and en route to Chicago. eh, Blooby, you f**king racist piece of trash.  Nope. They were curry-munchers on their way to London to live. England is basically colonised by Indians. You’re right, English is an Indo-European language, and contains many Sanskrit words. You probably have proto-Indian ancestors yourself. Also it is nigh on impossible to munch curry, toast yes but curry no.

Curry on toast? Curry on a cruskit?  ;D

Gnads wrote on Jun 15^th, 2025 at 7:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 14th, 2025 at 7:25pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14th, 2025 at 1:34pm: Marla wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 12:37am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm: Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed. Phew! At least none of them were black and en route to Chicago. eh, Blooby, you f**king racist piece of trash.  Nope. They were curry-munchers on their way to London to live. England is basically colonised by Indians. You’re right, English is an Indo-European language, and contains many Sanskrit words. You probably have proto-Indian ancestors yourself. Also it is nigh on impossible to munch curry, toast yes but curry no. Curry on toast? Curry on a cruskit?  ;D

Butter and jam on toast; munching butter and jam?

As an Indian once told me, regarding a bus load of Indians driving off a cliff road and killing 70 (riding on roof as well).
"Meh. More of us where we come from."

Life is cheap in India, but toilet paper is expensive.

Jasin wrote on Jun 15^th, 2025 at 7:49am:

As an Indian once told me, regarding a bus load of Indians driving off a cliff road and killing 70 (riding on roof as well). "Meh. More of us where we come from." Life is cheap in India, but toilet paper is expensive.

Reduced demand.
One reason is because Muslims use their left hand, therefore Muslims always eat with their right hands.

Lack of maintenance i.e. cost cutting with maintenance will usually end up biting you in the @ss, especially when hundreds of lives are at stake.

‘Nothing worked’: Haunting video hours before Air India crash


Quote:

Shocking footage showed the Boeing 787 Dreamliner’s interior with defective TV screens and “no air conditioning at all” when it flew from Delhi to Ahmedadbad – two hours prior to the horror smash.

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He posted horrifying footage which showed many parts of the plane not functioning properly during its second last ever flight. He said on X: “I was in the same damn flight 2 hours before it took off from AMD. I came in this from DEL-AMD.” The shocked passenger added that he had “noticed unusual things” in the plane which he suggested may have been telltale signs that it was defective. In the concerning footage, he can be heard saying: “The AC is not working at all. And as usual, your TV screens are also not working, neither this button for calling the cabin crew.” He said: “Nothing is working. Nothing! Not even the light is working.”

This is starting to look more like a (lack of) maintenance disaster and not pilot error.

Sounds like a plane run on Leftism.
Crewed by Hamas.
Maintenance by illegal Mexicans.

The plot thickens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XYO-mj1ugg

Why the RAT Changes Everything – Air India 171 Update

Captain Steeeve


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In this update to our original video on Air India Flight 171, Captain Steeeve revisits his initial theory—and sets the record straight. Previously, Steeeve leaned heavily into the possibility that the pilot may have accidentally retracted the flaps instead of the landing gear during the takeoff roll, resulting in a critical loss of lift. But new, higher-quality footage tells a different story. In this video, we clearly see the Ram Air Turbine (RAT) deployed—something that only happens in the event of significant power loss. This changes everything. Steeeve breaks down what the RAT deployment means, walks through the new evidence frame by frame, and explores the very real possibility that this was a dual engine failure scenario. It’s important to get these stories right. Aviation is a world of learning—and when new information comes to light, good pilots update their understanding. If you watched the original video, don’t miss this one.

This really has me intrigued now, I'll be watching for any new updates.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 15^th, 2025 at 7:43am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 15th, 2025 at 7:05am: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 14th, 2025 at 7:25pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14th, 2025 at 1:34pm: Marla wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 12:37am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 12th, 2025 at 10:08pm: Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed. Phew! At least none of them were black and en route to Chicago. eh, Blooby, you f**king racist piece of trash.  Nope. They were curry-munchers on their way to London to live. England is basically colonised by Indians. You’re right, English is an Indo-European language, and contains many Sanskrit words. You probably have proto-Indian ancestors yourself. Also it is nigh on impossible to munch curry, toast yes but curry no. Curry on toast? Curry on a cruskit?  ;D Butter and jam on toast; munching butter and jam?

If you say so .... but it depends on how well you do your toast.

Not everyone has a "sweet" breakfast.

Bacon & eggs on toast?  ;D

Carl D wrote on Jun 15^th, 2025 at 1:04pm:

Lack of maintenance i.e. cost cutting with maintenance will usually end up biting you in the @ss, especially when hundreds of lives are at stake. ‘Nothing worked’: Haunting video hours before Air India crash Quote: Shocking footage showed the Boeing 787 Dreamliner’s interior with defective TV screens and “no air conditioning at all” when it flew from Delhi to Ahmedadbad – two hours prior to the horror smash. [quote]He posted horrifying footage which showed many parts of the plane not functioning properly during its second last ever flight. He said on X: “I was in the same damn flight 2 hours before it took off from AMD. I came in this from DEL-AMD.” The shocked passenger added that he had “noticed unusual things” in the plane which he suggested may have been telltale signs that it was defective. In the concerning footage, he can be heard saying: “The AC is not working at all. And as usual, your TV screens are also not working, neither this button for calling the cabin crew.” He said: “Nothing is working. Nothing! Not even the light is working.”

This is starting to look more like a (lack of) maintenance disaster and not pilot error.[/quote]

Sounds like it should not have been in service.

But that would be typical of priorities & buck passing in Indian culture.

One theory is looking like a Pilot or First officer suicide.   :(

Nasty. If you're going to do yourself in, why take 241 other people with you?

Reports indicate that the fuel supply switches were both turned off shortly after takeoff (but were both in the ON position at the time of impact).

Apparently, those switches cannot be moved without deliberate action by the crew.

The engines were therefore starved of fuel very shortly after takeoff and one of the crew members asked the other if he had switched off the fuel but this was denied by the other.   :o

The engines were then set to restart by one of the crew but there was insufficient time to gain enough thrust.

Blimey, not the first time a pilot or first officer has deliberately crashed an aircraft.   :(

On the other hand, did one of them try to cycle the engines after engine failure and it was just a tragic accident?

Well, after all that, it turns out that one of the pilots turned off the fuel.

Jasin wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 8:46pm:

I blame Moslems and Mexicans. As Heath Ledger said as the Joker "Some people just like to watch the world burn" ...and the Left are fanning the flames. 🔥

I was right.
Suicide Terrorism.

Jasin wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

I was right.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, वांकर.


Jasin wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

Suicide.

Possible.


Jasin wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

Terrorism.

Unlikely.

No apparent motive or manifesto.

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 10:39am:

One theory is looking like a Pilot or First officer suicide.   :( Nasty. If you're going to do yourself in, why take 241 other people with you? Reports indicate that the fuel supply switches were both turned off shortly after takeoff (but were both in the ON position at the time of impact). Apparently, those switches cannot be moved without deliberate action by the crew.

Captain Nemo,

Yes.

That scenario [of 'Pilot or First officer suicide'] is plausible.

More so, if the investigators uncover a realistic motive [....which would explain such an intent].


Also......if the investigators do discover a realistic motive [for one of the pilots 'doing the deed'],
will 'the politic of the incident/occasion', 'incentivise' the investigators
to try to suppress the 'full truth' from being publicly [openly] known ?



The 21st century......a place where open truth goes to die.

Maybe the pilots ate some street food before their flight?

https://youtube.com/shorts/fKURwfX4tXg?si=IwUyASZDHZTQJRU_

A dodgy vindaloo?

Now the focus seems to be on whether one of the pilots turned the fuel switches off or if a computer or electrical 'glitch' caused the fuel to shut off despite the switches being in the on position.

The plot thickens.

And, a few pilots have commented on the lack of video cameras recording what goes on in the cockpits of aircraft... it would make it a lot easier to see who operated which switch or control, etc.

Should have been mandated a long time ago.

Carl D wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 9:15am:

Now the focus seems to be on whether one of the pilots turned the fuel switches off or if a computer or electrical 'glitch' caused the fuel to shut off despite the switches being in the on position. The plot thickens. And, a few pilots have commented on the lack of video cameras recording what goes on in the cockpits of aircraft... it would make it a lot easier to see who operated which switch or control, etc. Should have been mandated a long time ago.

Certainly is mysterious.

The cockpit voice recording captures one pilot asking the other why he "did the cut-off", to which the person replies that he didn't. The recording doesn't clarify who said what. At the time of take-off, the co-pilot was flying the aircraft while the captain was monitoring.

I’d actually feel safer if they were to use auto pilot for the whole flight including tax off and landing.

Oh dear...

Chilling Air India warning - six years before crash that killed 241 passengers on board


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Air India was warned about wrongly installed fuel switches more than six years before a crash that killed 260 people, it was revealed yesterday. Investigators are probing how two fuel switches in the cockpit of Air India Flight 171 were turned off shortly after take off, resulting in a catastrophic loss of power and the aircraft crashing to the ground. The switches' 'locking feature' meant pilots had to lift them up before changing their position. But a preliminary report by India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (IAAB) said yesterday that in December 2018 the US air regulator Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) warned airlines that fuel switches had been installed in some Boeing 737s 'with the locking feature disengaged'. 'If the locking feature is disengaged, the switch can be moved between the two positions without lifting the switch during transition, and the switch would be exposed to the potential of inadvertent operation,' the FAA warned in a Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin. 'Inadvertent operation of the switch could result in an unintended consequence, such as an in-flight engine shutdown.'

The article says Boeing 737's and not 787's. Don't know if that's a mistake or not?


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It recommended airlines inspect the switches, including 'whether the fuel control switch can be moved between the two positions without lifting up the switch'. Air India has suggested such inspections were not carried out because the FAA's bulletin was 'advisory and not mandatory'.

And that decision will no doubt come back to bite Air India, the FAA and Boeing in the @ss if it turns out that this was wholly or even partially responsible for the disaster.

I remember driving my Cortina (first car) and it had a Kill Switch over and under on the passenger side. Driving on a main road of traffic.
My Cor... Cor..  Cortina suddenly conked out. For 20 mins my mate & I couldn't work out the problem and my mate was in trouble with his partner for being late. Eventually it clicked. His knee had flicked the kill switch.

Wow.

Air India pilots' medical records are being examined over mental health fears after report reveals fuel switches 'were turned off in cockpit'


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Investigations into the Air India plane crash are looking into the pilots' medical records as it's claimed one of them had depression and mental health issues. Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, an experienced pilot with more than 8,200 hours in the cockpit, was piloting the Boeing 787 Dreamliner when it plummeted into a residential area, called Meghani Nagar, killing 241 people on board and claiming 19 more lives of those on the ground. Seconds after taking off on June 12, two fuel switches in the cockpit of Air India Flight 171 were turned off shortly after take off, resulting in a catastrophic loss of power and the aircraft crashing to the ground. The switches' 'locking feature' meant pilots had to lift them up before changing their position, they are not simple push buttons which can be accidentally turned off.

The captain in the left hand seat (who was monitoring the takeoff) would be the more likely of the two to turn the switches off (if indeed that was what happened), the co-pilot was flying the plane and he would have been too preoccupied with the take off to do it (the switches are under the thrust levers in between the two pilots).

And, assuming both pilots were right handed it would have been easier for the captain to operate the switches with his right hand than for the co-pilot to do it with his left (especially when he was busy flying the plane during takeoff).

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