https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-29/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-begins/105226102

Erin Patterson's murder trial over alleged mushroom killings begins today

By court reporter Kristian Silva
Topic:   Courts

8h ago

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The jury empanelment process has started in the trial of Erin Patterson, who stands accused of murdering three relatives after allegedly cooking a poisonous beef Wellington.

A large pool of potential jurors gathered outside the Latrobe Valley Law Courts on Tuesday morning, before being brought into the precinct.

The group has been drawn from the area around the trial location of Morwell, about an hour's drive from where the alleged poisonings occurred in Leongatha.

Over the coming hours, a group of 14 or 15 will be picked to sit in on the highly-anticipated trial.


The case, which has attracted global media attention, is set to run for up to six weeks.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/crime/erin-patterson-family-friend-says-deadly-mushroom-cook-was-experienced-forager-of-wild-fungi-c-11603773

Erin Patterson:

Family friend says deadly mushroom cook was experienced forager of wild fungi

August 16,    2023 10:30AM


The deadly mushroom cook behind the poisonous lunch that killed three of her relatives was an experienced fungi forager, a friend of the family says.

The friend said Erin Patterson was “very good at foraging” and knew how to identify the wild mushroom varieties near her home in Leongatha in Victoria’s Gippsland region.

“The Patterson family (including Erin and ex-husband Simon) would pick mushrooms each year when they were in season,” the friend told the Daily Mail.

“It’s very common for people to go mushroom picking around that area.”

It comes as Ms Patterson has hit back at being unfairly “painted as an evil witch”.

“I lost my parents-in-law, my children lost their grandparents,’’ she told The Australian on Wednesday.

“And I’ve been painted as an evil witch. And the media is making it impossible for me to live in this town. I can’t have friends over.

“The media is at the house where my children are at. The media are at my sister’s house so I can’t go there. This is unfair.’’

Ms Patterson, 48, invited her form er in-laws Gail and Don Patterson, and Gail’s sister Heather Wilkinson and her husband Ian to her home for lunch on July 29.

After eating the beef Wellington cooked and served by Ms Paterson, the guests became violently ill.

Gail and Don, both 70, and Heather, 66, later died. Ian is in hospital fighting for his life.

Erin’s ex-husband Simon Patterson was also supposed to be at the meal but pulled out.

Police suspect that the lunch contained highly toxic death cap mushrooms.

In a written statement to police, Ms Patterson said she bought the mushrooms she used in the dish at two separate stores — button mushrooms from a supermarket and dried mushrooms from an Asian grocery shop in Melbourne

Many comments in Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/15ukdyd/deadly_mushroom_twist_chef_an_experienced_fungi/


theSaltySolo
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2y ago
So:

knows how to pick mushrooms

had a dehydrator

had dried mushrooms kept for months for some reason

ex had been previously ill mysteriously

history of getting inheritance money

too stressed about losing custody

cannot tell a consistent story on where she got the dried mushrooms

Yeah…it doesn’t look good for her.




KCDL
•
2y ago
The quote from the friend makes her sound even more guilty. How could you be an “experienced mushroom forager” and not recognise the most common deadly mushroom. Unless it’s a case of gamblers bias where she was lucky to find edible mushrooms most of the time and stumbled upon deadcaps for the first time. But if that’s the case she was merely a mostly lucky (until recently!) forager not an expert one.

Nov 3, 2023

#7NEWS #BREAKINGNEWS #melbourne


We're learning shocking new details about Victoria's mushroom poisoning mystery, as the woman at the centre of it faces court for the first time. Erin Patterson is accused of murder AND attempted murder police claiming she tried to kill her estranged husband four times before cooking the meal that took three lives.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqhw9r6Ezhk

Easy to go wrong,  foraging for wild mushrooms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OusLbOYb58c

Big food kill way more people then this MasterChef.


Get a load of the ads for Coco pops and nutrigraon saying they are health food.and having sniggering fatties laughing at people eating fruit.

They should also be on trial.

Thank God for RFK

Yes Aqua,
but will she beat the charges?

Can she get a fair trial?

eat more mushrooms.
'A large pool of potential jurors gathered outside the Latrobe Valley Law Courts on Tuesday morning. The group has been drawn from Morwell'.

Pie Addicts in Morwell, find award winning pies!

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1924756667947509

chimera wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 3:36pm:

eat more mushrooms. 'A large pool of potential jurors gathered outside the Latrobe Valley Law Courts on Tuesday morning. The group has been drawn from Morwell'. Pie Addicts in Morwell, find award winning pies! https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1924756667947509

Do they have a Beef Wellington?

It covers an area of 10,817 square kilometres (4,176 sq mi) and in June 2018 had a population of 44,019. Shire of Wellington Victoria. Location in Victoria.
About Wellington: main product - beef.

After dairying for many years Steven decided to venture into the livestock selling industry by working for a local corporate agency. Steven could see the need for a more personal, one on one service approach and started Wellington Livestock.

A new fungus for New Zealand discovered in Wellington’s Mount Victoria.  Earlier this year I was walking through Wellington’s Mount Victoria when I saw a very odd looking mushroom.

From the 14th to 18th century they would have charged her with:

sorcery and witchcraft.

Chinese witchcraft and Taoist sorcery, called  蠱道巫術  Gǔ Dào Wū Shù. "good day witch".

chimera wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 4:25pm:

Chinese witchcraft and Taoist sorcery, called  蠱道巫術  Gǔ Dào Wū Shù. "good day witch".

She's getting a much fairer trial than she would have got in the 14th to 18th century.

If the welcome to country went wrong that badly, she would have lost her smokey gum leaves.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 4:27pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 4:25pm: Chinese witchcraft and Taoist sorcery, called  蠱道巫術  Gǔ Dào Wū Shù. "good day witch". She's getting a much fairer trial than she would have got in the 14th to 18th century.

Or even 20th century, remember Lindy Chamberlain.

I’m listening and waiting.

She has the benefit of being innocent till proven guilty.

Something that is easily forgot.

Daves2017 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 6:30pm:

I’m listening and waiting. She has the benefit of being innocent till proven guilty. Something that is easily forgot.

I can understand that - remember Lindy Chamberlain?

The forensic evidence mixed up foetal blood and an anti-rust chemical from the car.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/feb/25/internationaleducationnews.australia


Joy Kuhl identified foetal blood in a car belonging to Lindy Chamberlain - the crucial evidence that led to her conviction for killing her baby daughter, Azaria, near Ayres Rock, in 1980. Six years later, she admitted to a royal commission she was mistaken and the "blood" was an anti-rust chemical. Ms Chamberlain, who claimed a dingo had stolen her baby, was cleared.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/29/australia/australia-mushroom-murder-trial-begins-intl-hnk/index.html


Erin Patterson’s legal team depart the Latrobe Valley Magistrates Court in Morwell, Victoria, Tuesday, April 29, 2025.

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Sydney
Reuters
—
The trial of a woman accused of murdering three elderly people after allegedly serving them a lunch of poisonous mushrooms began in Australia on Tuesday, as additional charges of the attempted murder of her husband were dropped by prosecutors.

Erin Patterson is charged with the 2023 murders of her mother-in-law Gail Patterson, father-in-law Donald Patterson and Gail’s sister Heather Wilkinson, along with the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson, Heather’s husband, in a case that has gripped Australia.

All four became ill after the lunch hosted by the accused at her home in Leongatha, a town of around 6,000 people some 135 kilometers (84 miles) from Melbourne.

Prosecutors allege the mushrooms were served to the victims as part of a beef Wellington.

Fifteen jurors were selected on Tuesday at the Latrobe Valley Magistrates’ Court in nearby Morwell, with the opening arguments expected to begin on Wednesday morning.


Charges regarding the attempted murder of the accused’s husband, Simon Patterson, have been dropped by prosecutors, Justice Christopher Beale told the court on Tuesday.

“Those charges have been dropped and you must put them out of your mind,” he told the jury.

Erin Patterson has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

The case has generated huge interest both in Australia and internationally, with the six seats in the courtroom reserved for media allocated in a daily ballot. Dozens more are expected to watch proceedings in an overflow room set up at the court.

State broadcaster ABC is producing a daily podcast during the trial, which is expected to run for five to six weeks, while streaming service Stan has commissioned a documentary on what it says is
“one of the highest profile criminal cases in recent history.”

That was CNN and Reuters -
it also made it on to BBC world news:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr5dj9q011lo


Some charges against alleged mushroom lunch killer dropped

6 hours ago

Justice Christopher Beale told the jury that most if not all them would probably have been aware of the previous charges in relation to Patterson's husband, but said that the Director of Public Prosecutions had dropped them.

"In other words... you must put them out of your mind," he said.

He also urged them to "dispassionately" weigh the evidence in the case, using their heads and not their hearts.

The trial is being held at a small courthouse in Morwell, about 60km (37 miles) from Leongatha, Victoria, where prosecutors allege the lunch took place.

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Katy Watson, Simon Atkinson and Tiffanie Turnbull
BBC News, Morwell and Sydney

I doubt there is a potential juror who has not been flooded with the media coverage of this case. It's going to be a hard call - and a lot will come down to 'feelings' again - in which I am going to throw the Usual suspect (by now) problem  .... all those years /decades now of 'determining what is right by feelings' - pushed on us by the fringe feminists and those who saw clear opportunity by allying with that madness which has ended up with gonad chopping boards determining the 'gender' of a person in some Frankenstein Mengele manner - has lead to the position where a hell of a lot of 'balance of probabilities' is going to influence the outcome, Brittany style in the anti-Bruce Crusade (he has piggy eyes - must be guilty, right?).

How determine if she made a genuine mistake over the mushies - or it was deliberate from an experienced mushie picker? If there were so many mushies available for the picking - how did she get to pick those, when most of us KNOW (and I loathe mushrooms) they are not to be eaten? I wouldn't pick those for anyone else!  Why did she not get sick herself?  Avoid the mushies?  That's pretty much the case.....

It will all come down, in the minds of the jurors no matter how dedicated etc - to that.

She may well walk - but who is ever going to dine with her again?

Yes Grapps,
but her story won't add up -
if she really got those mushrooms from a shop then why didn't
dozens of other customers and their families die too?


She was an expert in mushroom foraging -
so it looks like she went foraging -
found some death caps and cooked them in a meal for her victims.

I can't find evidence of something I heard or saw on the internet.
I remember hearing that she posted an article in the local newspaper
about how to safely forage for wild mushrooms and
she did so as a so called expert -
she was known as an expert.


If you go to a mushroom identifier website such as:
https://www.mushroom.world/mushrooms/identification


It says:


Quote:

DISCLAIMER Many mushrooms are poisonous and some are lethally poisonous and this website cannot and will not tell you whether the mushrooms you find are safe. In viewing the material on this website you agree that Mushroom World and its owner have no liability for injury, illness or death caused by eating wild plants or mushrooms after viewing this site. If you continue, you agree to view this website under these terms.

Here's another mushroom identifier site where you can upload
pictures and supply information to get a result.

https://champignouf.com/


It says:


Quote:

Champignouf is an automated mushroom identifier software program, you just have to upload a picture to know what kind of mushroom it could be. It knows more than 1000 species, and will suggest you results depending on the photo. Is that a cep, a chanterelle, or something that could kill you? It is still work in progress, and the accuracy is at the moment not that good, but will get better in time. BE VERY CAREFUL, do not eat any mushroom if you aren't 100% certain they are edible! YOU COULD DIE Remember that champignouf makes a lot of mistakes, because mushrooms are tricky, and toxic and edible ones can look almost indistinguishable. Even if it look like the one that Champignouf suggests, and it's edible, DO NOT TRUST OUR RESULTS.

There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable.

chimera wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 9:28am:

There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable.

You mean 12 jurors?

I just thought of an out -

What if someone sabotaged/contaminated the edible mushrooms in a shop
by adding one death cap into the mix of good mushrooms?  :-/

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 12:07pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:28am: There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable. You mean 12 jurors? I just thought of an out - What if someone sabotaged/contaminated the edible mushrooms in a shop by adding one death cap into the mix of good mushrooms?  :-/

The prosecution have to prove beyond doubt that she deliberately poisoned everyone.

Leroy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 12:07pm: chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:28am: There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable. You mean 12 jurors? I just thought of an out - What if someone sabotaged/contaminated the edible mushrooms in a shop by adding one death cap into the mix of good mushrooms?  :-/ The prosecution have to prove beyond doubt that she deliberately poisoned everyone.

Yes - it's still a plausible story.

But-
why did she try to hide her dehydrator?
Hiding or destroying evidence makes her look bad.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 2:01pm:

Leroy wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 1:57pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 12:07pm: chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:28am: There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable. You mean 12 jurors? I just thought of an out - What if someone sabotaged/contaminated the edible mushrooms in a shop by adding one death cap into the mix of good mushrooms?  :-/ The prosecution have to prove beyond doubt that she deliberately poisoned everyone. Yes - it's still a plausible story. But- why did she try to hide her dehydrator? Hiding or destroying evidence makes her look bad.

Those facts will be addressed in court.

It's possible the mushroom shop was spiked by someone. Then the lady would be shouting about it and demanding the shop explain how it could happen. Also, when preparing the meal she would handle the poisonous one and could recognise it, to exclude it. It had to be a whole mushroom in the shop or others would have been ill.

Update:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c23054k1x05t


Key things we heard on day one of trial

published at 16:49
16:49

Helen Sullivan
Live reporter

The prosecution and defence have finished their opening statements on the first day of Erin Patterson's trial. Here's what they told the court:

Erin Patterson invited her estranged husband Simon Patterson, his parents, Don and Gail Patterson, and his aunt and uncle, Ian and Heather Wilkinson, to lunch to discuss "some medical issues that she had", prosecutors said, and at lunch she told them she had cancer

All attended except her husband Simon, who pulled out the day before. Three of the guests at the lunch later died from death cap mushroom poisoning

Prosecutors alleged that Ms Patterson lied about having cancer, using it as a pretence to have the adults at lunch without Ms Patterson's children present - the defence denied this and said Ms Patterson did have cancer

Ms Patterson served individual beef wellington portions – a dish of beef, mushroom paste, and pastry – to her guests on grey plates, while she ate off a smaller, orange plate, according to guest Ian Wilkinson, who became seriously ill after the lunch, but survived

The prosecution said Ms Patterson had posted online about using a food dehydrator to cook mushrooms, and wrote she had been "hiding powdered mushrooms in everything", the prosecution said

The prosecution also said Ms Patterson's fingerprints were found on a food dehydrator she was seen on CCTV dumping after the lunch. The dehydrator tested positive for death cap mushrooms, the jury was told

The prosecution alleged Ms Patterson lied about buying the dried mushrooms from an Asian grocery store, and that mobile phone data suggests she travelled to where death cap mushrooms grew

The defence argued that "what happened was a tragedy, a terrible accident" and Ms Patterson did not intend to hurt anyone
Ms Patterson's behaviour is being portrayed as "incriminating" by the prosecution, the defence said - but she "panicked" after her guests became ill: "Might people say or do things that are not well thought out... and might make them look bad?"
The defence said Ms Patterson was "generous and kind" to her family

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-30/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-lunch-poison-supreme-court/105232392


Jury shown pictures of dehydrator
The court heard Erin Patterson purchased a Sunbeam food dehydrator in April 2023.

At her police interview on August 6, the court heard Ms Patterson initially said she had never owned a food dehydrator but later said she may have owned one "a year ago".

Financial records showed Ms Patterson paid a fee at a waste transfer station for disposal of items, including e-waste.

Police later searched an e-waste bin at the disposal centre and found a food dehydrator in a black cardboard box.

Samples taken from the dehydrator found at the waste transfer centre were positive for amanita mushrooms.

The prosecution also alleged Ms Patterson kept two phones and switched SIM cards between them.

Analysis of one of the devices showed Ms Patterson had been talking to one of her online friends about a food dehydrator and how much she enjoyed using it.

The analysis also revealed she travelled to two nearby areas where death cap mushrooms had been identified as growing on a site called iNaturalist, a website where people can log flora and fauna they see.


Colin Mandy SC says his client "panicked" and lied to police because she was overwhelmed that people had died because of a meal she served.  (ABC New: Danielle Bonica)

Defence barrister Colin Mandy SC said Ms Patterson "panicked" and lied to police.

He conceded she did forage for mushrooms but said she was innocent of murder.

"The defence case is what happened was a tragedy and a terrible accident," he said.

"She's innocent."

Guilty.

How did she get the poisonous mushrooms?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 6:35pm:

Guilty. How did she get the poisonous mushrooms?

She went foraging for mushrooms in a place
where it is known that death caps can be found.
Then – death cap spores were found in the dehydrator that she tried to get rid of.


https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-day-one-mushroom-leongatha-don-gail-ian-heather-20250429-p5lv58.html

Key posts

3.39pm Patterson did factory resets of phone
3.33pm Patterson posted about dehydrating, ‘hiding powdered mushrooms in everything’
3.04pm Doctors concluded guests’ illness were ‘unsurvivable’
1.55pm Erin Patterson reported eating half her lunch
12.57pm Where did the mushrooms come from? A phone call from the hospital
12.20pm ‘I’ve puzzled about it since lunch’: Heather wondered why Erin served her guests with different plates
9.59am What you need to know about the mushroom lunch trial
9.46am Who is who in the family tragedy

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 6:35pm:

Guilty. How did she get the poisonous mushrooms?

She also did not eat any of the mushrooms herself???


Quote:

The prosecution said Ms Patterson had posted online about using a food dehydrator to cook mushrooms, and wrote she had been "hiding powdered mushrooms in everything", the prosecution said The prosecution also said Ms Patterson's fingerprints were found on a food dehydrator she was seen on CCTV dumping after the lunch. The dehydrator tested positive for death cap mushrooms, the jury was told The prosecution alleged Ms Patterson lied about buying the dried mushrooms from an Asian grocery store, and that mobile phone data suggests she travelled to where death cap mushrooms grew

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c23054k1x05t

::) ::) ::)

She had a smaller, different coloured plate all for her self and without mushrooms.... this looks bad...

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 12:07pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 9:28am: There should be 12 posters good and true who can be sworn to  allegiance and probity all.  Cheap and reliable. You mean 12 jurors? I just thought of an out - What if someone sabotaged/contaminated the edible mushrooms in a shop by adding one death cap into the mix of good mushrooms?  :-/

She couldn't say where the 'bought' them ..... sounds like Nightfall, Pilgrim...

chimera wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 4:38pm:

If the welcome to country went wrong that badly, she would have lost her smokey gum leaves.

You must have gum between the ears - it wasn't gum leaves that killed her relatives.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 6:46pm:

She had a smaller, different coloured plate all for her self and without mushrooms.... this looks bad...

And she invited them over using sympathy -
she made up a fake story about how she had cancer -
that's evil.


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c23054k1x05t

Prosecutors alleged that Ms Patterson lied about having cancer,
using it as a pretence to have the adults at lunch without Ms Patterson's children present -
the defence denied this and said Ms Patterson did have cancer.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 7:22pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 6:46pm: She had a smaller, different coloured plate all for her self and without mushrooms.... this looks bad... And she invited them over using sympathy - she made up a fake story about how she had cancer - that's evil. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c23054k1x05t Prosecutors alleged that Ms Patterson lied about having cancer, using it as a pretence to have the adults at lunch without Ms Patterson's children present - the defence denied this and said Ms Patterson did have cancer.

The shock of arrest caused a miracle cure....

I had the same feeling when Lindy Chamberlain was tried by media, she might be guilty but if she is innocent justice will not prevail.

Leroy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 8:27pm:

I had the same feeling when Lindy Chamberlain was tried by media, she might be guilty but if she is innocent justice will not prevail.

Yes -

Lindy Chamberlain?
The forensic evidence mixed up foetal blood and an anti-rust chemical from the car.

Erin Patterson -
could the forensic tests for what I assume are death cap mushroom spores
in the dehydrator be wrong and in fact they were ordinary mushroom spores ?

What do death caps look like?


https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Amanita_Phalloides.jpg

Gnads wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 7:15pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 4:38pm: If the welcome to country went wrong that badly, she would have lost her smokey gum leaves. You must have gum between the ears - it wasn't gum leaves that killed her relatives.

Thanks, now I understand how your mind fails to work properly.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/beef-wellington-mushroom-poisoning-australia-b2393987.html


Survivor of suspected mushroom poisoning was ‘experienced forager’ of wild fungi


‘Patterson family would pick mushrooms each year when they were in season,’ family friend claims

Namita Singh
Wednesday 16 August 2023

Erin Patterson, 46, was known to expertly pick wild mushrooms, and was “very good at foraging”, a family friend was quoted as saying by Daily MailAustralia.

“The Patterson family (including Erin and estranged husband Simon) would pick mushrooms each year when they were in season,” the friend said.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/crime/erin-patterson-family-friend-claims-deadly-mushroom-cook-had-collection-of-books-about-fungi-in-her-home-c-11638202

Erin Patterson: Family friend claims deadly mushroom cook
had collection of books about fungi in her home

Wayne Flower and Candace Sutton
Daily Mail
August 19, 2023


Erin Patterson had a collection of books about mushrooms that she kept at her home where her fatal beef wellington lunch took place, according to a family friend.

The friend claimed the shelves of her family home at Leongatha included books about delicious yet potentially deadly fungi.

It was reported this week that Ms Patterson, 48, was an “experienced forager” who — like many families in the area — picked mushrooms when they were in season.

The friend said she had a number of books on the subject in her library.



https://images.perthnow.com.au/publication/C-11638202/06045e56699f4e777d86e05baddb403549f6ce75-16x9-x1y0w2446h1376.jpg

I'd like to see clear evidence that she had those books, and that she was a forager etc...

It's called 'chain of evidence'   --someone says she had books on fungi - there are receipts or records of her purchasing such books or they are in evidence at her home....... otherwise it's hearsay.

This is like Martin Bryant - AFTER the event tall tales arose in the boondocks of Tasmania about how he was known to grab the steering wheel of the car his late benefactor drove and such and how he must therefore have caused her death and his own serious injury etc and thus gained her property and inheritance   ...  and that he was out shooting all the time and was an expert shot, which does not gel with his testimony on record and is not supported by ammunition purchase receipts etc ... and that he was known to be weird (well - he has a very low IQ) and loved surfing and didn't shoot animals ...

Somehow none of that gels with some alleged sudden urge to go down to the Broad Arrow and shoot some Asians/Japs or something ..... and in the absence of opportunity to do that - start shooting anyone in sight.... it just doesn't gel.

Where is the chain of evidence?  You can't just insert rumours and stories from neighbours... Where Are The Books?  Where are the people who went mushrooming with her in person to testify to her outstanding knowledge of all things fungi- including knowing the difference between the death fungi and others?

I'm starting to get the feeling she might walk on this one.....  and it's only just begun......

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 12:29am:

Where is the chain of evidence?  You can't just insert rumours and stories from neighbours... Where Are The Books?  Where are the people who went mushrooming with her in person to testify to her outstanding knowledge of all things fungi- including knowing the difference between the death fungi and others? I'm starting to get the feeling she might walk on this one.....  and it's only just begun......

I'm sure the prosecution would like to have those witnesses at the trial
if they can find them and the stories about "friends" were not made up.

On the other hand -she did realise that something was wrong when everyone else fell ill...... which kind of indicates a knowledge of fungal death...ay?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 2:09pm:

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/crime/erin-patterson-family-friend-says-deadly-mushroom-cook-was-experienced-forager-of-wild-fungi-c-11603773 Erin Patterson: Family friend says deadly mushroom cook was experienced forager of wild fungi August 16,    2023 10:30AM The deadly mushroom cook behind the poisonous lunch that killed three of her relatives was an experienced fungi forager, a friend of the family says. The friend said Erin Patterson was “very good at foraging” and knew how to identify the wild mushroom varieties near her home in Leongatha in Victoria’s Gippsland region. “The Patterson family (including Erin and ex-husband Simon) would pick mushrooms each year when they were in season,” the friend told the Daily Mail. “It’s very common for people to go mushroom picking around that area.” It comes as Ms Patterson has hit back at being unfairly “painted as an evil witch”. “I lost my parents-in-law, my children lost their grandparents,’’ she told The Australian on Wednesday. “And I’ve been painted as an evil witch. And the media is making it impossible for me to live in this town. I can’t have friends over. “The media is at the house where my children are at. The media are at my sister’s house so I can’t go there. This is unfair.’’ Ms Patterson, 48, invited her form er in-laws Gail and Don Patterson, and Gail’s sister Heather Wilkinson and her husband Ian to her home for lunch on July 29. After eating the beef Wellington cooked and served by Ms Paterson, the guests became violently ill. Gail and Don, both 70, and Heather, 66, later died. Ian is in hospital fighting for his life. Erin’s ex-husband Simon Patterson was also supposed to be at the meal but pulled out. Police suspect that the lunch contained highly toxic death cap mushrooms. In a written statement to police, Ms Patterson said she bought the mushrooms she used in the dish at two separate stores — button mushrooms from a supermarket and dried mushrooms from an Asian grocery shop in Melbourne

Obviously that's not true.

chimera wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 8:50pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 7:15pm: chimera wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 4:38pm: If the welcome to country went wrong that badly, she would have lost her smokey gum leaves. You must have gum between the ears - it wasn't gum leaves that killed her relatives. Thanks, now I understand how your mind fails to work properly.

;D that's rich coming from you.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 12:29am:

I'd like to see clear evidence that she had those books, and that she was a forager etc... It's called 'chain of evidence'   --someone says she had books on fungi - there are receipts or records of her purchasing such books or they are in evidence at her home....... otherwise it's hearsay. This is like Martin Bryant - AFTER the event tall tales arose in the boondocks of Tasmania about how he was known to grab the steering wheel of the car his late benefactor drove and such and how he must therefore have caused her death and his own serious injury etc and thus gained her property and inheritance   ...  and that he was out shooting all the time and was an expert shot, which does not gel with his testimony on record and is not supported by ammunition purchase receipts etc ... and that he was known to be weird (well - he has a very low IQ) and loved surfing and didn't shoot animals ... Somehow none of that gels with some alleged sudden urge to go down to the Broad Arrow and shoot some Asians/Japs or something ..... and in the absence of opportunity to do that - start shooting anyone in sight.... it just doesn't gel. Where is the chain of evidence?  You can't just insert rumours and stories from neighbours... Where Are The Books?  Where are the people who went mushrooming with her in person to testify to her outstanding knowledge of all things fungi- including knowing the difference between the death fungi and others? I'm starting to get the feeling she might walk on this one.....  and it's only just begun......

If she was expert on foraging for mushrooms and had relevant guide books

then she's as guilty a sin .... no death cap mushrooms should have ever been in her hand for collection, to take home or use in cooking.

She would have known straight away what they were.

Gnads wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 1:41pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 8:50pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 30th, 2025 at 7:15pm: chimera wrote on Apr 29th, 2025 at 4:38pm: If the welcome to country went wrong that badly, she would have lost her smokey gum leaves. You must have gum between the ears - it wasn't gum leaves that killed her relatives. Thanks, now I understand how your mind fails to work properly. ;D that's rich coming from you.

you still don't get it?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 12:29am:

I'd like to see clear evidence that she had those books, and that she was a forager etc... It's called 'chain of evidence'   --someone says she had books on fungi - there are receipts or records of her purchasing such books or they are in evidence at her home....... otherwise it's hearsay. This is like Martin Bryant - AFTER the event tall tales arose in the boondocks of Tasmania about how he was known to grab the steering wheel of the car his late benefactor drove and such and how he must therefore have caused her death and his own serious injury etc and thus gained her property and inheritance   ...  and that he was out shooting all the time and was an expert shot, which does not gel with his testimony on record and is not supported by ammunition purchase receipts etc ... and that he was known to be weird (well - he has a very low IQ) and loved surfing and didn't shoot animals ... Somehow none of that gels with some alleged sudden urge to go down to the Broad Arrow and shoot some Asians/Japs or something ..... and in the absence of opportunity to do that - start shooting anyone in sight.... it just doesn't gel. Where is the chain of evidence?  You can't just insert rumours and stories from neighbours... Where Are The Books?  Where are the people who went mushrooming with her in person to testify to her outstanding knowledge of all things fungi- including knowing the difference between the death fungi and others? I'm starting to get the feeling she might walk on this one.....  and it's only just begun......

Police have CCTV of her dumping a food dehydrator at the tip after the murders that contained death cap mushrooms despite her claiming she never owned a food dehydrator....Death cap mushrooms are not sold in Australia....Her mobile phone showed she was in the area in the days leading up to the murders where death cap mushrooms grow....Her relatives were poisoned with death cap mushrooms she fed them but avaoided consuming the deadly meal herself....Relatives have confirmed she was well aware what death cap mushrooms are....Yes definatly innocent???

::) ::) ::)

Today's updates are here:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-mushroom-witnesses-leongatha-cancer-20250501-p5lvkn.html

3.59pm

The single colourful plate in Erin Patterson’s crockery collection

By  Marta Pascual Juanola

Defence counsel Colin Mandy, SC, is now asking Simon Patterson about his estranged wife Erin’s crockery at her home in Gibson Street, Leongatha.

Simon Patterson recalled that Erin had a few small uniform sets of crockery.


“She had a mixture of plates and it’s not that they’re all different to each other, but she had a bunch of ceramic plates generally that weren’t all the same, but there are a few of the same as each other,” Simon said.

“And then, couple more that was sort of same as each other but different to the first lot, if you know what I mean.”

Mandy: Amongst those plates, there are a number of colourful ones?

Simon: No, there’s only one colourful one.”

Good comment from another site:

She had a Labrador, but didn't give it the beef Wellington she chucked in the bin.

It's weird that the dog didn't get the special high value meat treat that was binned,
usually such a high value meat treat wouldn't be wasted like this which makes me suspicious.
After she spent so much money on the meat and you had some left over
you would at least give it to the dog before putting it into the bin.

philperth2010 wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 3:41pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 12:29am: I'd like to see clear evidence that she had those books, and that she was a forager etc... It's called 'chain of evidence'   --someone says she had books on fungi - there are receipts or records of her purchasing such books or they are in evidence at her home....... otherwise it's hearsay. This is like Martin Bryant - AFTER the event tall tales arose in the boondocks of Tasmania about how he was known to grab the steering wheel of the car his late benefactor drove and such and how he must therefore have caused her death and his own serious injury etc and thus gained her property and inheritance   ...  and that he was out shooting all the time and was an expert shot, which does not gel with his testimony on record and is not supported by ammunition purchase receipts etc ... and that he was known to be weird (well - he has a very low IQ) and loved surfing and didn't shoot animals ... Somehow none of that gels with some alleged sudden urge to go down to the Broad Arrow and shoot some Asians/Japs or something ..... and in the absence of opportunity to do that - start shooting anyone in sight.... it just doesn't gel. Where is the chain of evidence?  You can't just insert rumours and stories from neighbours... Where Are The Books?  Where are the people who went mushrooming with her in person to testify to her outstanding knowledge of all things fungi- including knowing the difference between the death fungi and others? I'm starting to get the feeling she might walk on this one.....  and it's only just begun...... Police have CCTV of her dumping a food dehydrator at the tip after the murders that contained death cap mushrooms despite her claiming she never owned a food dehydrator....Death cap mushrooms are not sold in Australia....Her mobile phone showed she was in the area in the days leading up to the murders where death cap mushrooms grow....Her relatives were poisoned with death cap mushrooms she fed them but avaoided consuming the deadly meal herself....Relatives have confirmed she was well aware what death cap mushrooms are....Yes definatly innocent??? ::) ::) ::)

I didn't say she was innocent - I said she might walk on the evidence and how it is interpreted.  Wait for the actual Evidence in court - not tales of what 'relatives' say etc.... on local tall tales you'd likely be hung tomorrow at dawn....

We are all aware of the dumping of the dehydrator etc.... it's how it is interpreted that matters.  Her defence team started off saying she panicked after the others fell ill... meaning they are not contesting the dehydrator.... now all the other things have to come together to avoid any doubt.... and that means people don't just repeat local stories - they must have first hand evidence.

Now I'm no chef - but why dehydrate mushrooms for beef wellington?  I thought they were cooked whole in the sauce...

OK - 'mushroom puree' before baking...... who dehydrates mushrooms to make a puree?  Anyone - I'm not a chef or a mushroom cook....??  I hate mushrooms... now I know why...

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 7:56pm:

Good comment from another site: She had a Labrador, but didn't give it the beef Wellington she chucked in the bin. It's weird that the dog didn't get the special high value meat treat that was binned, usually such a high value meat treat wouldn't be wasted like this which makes me suspicious. After she spent so much money on the meat and you had some left over you would at least give it to the dog before putting it into the bin.

It's so expensive to feed dogs that no one would chuck
beef Wellington containing big chunks of ribeye fillet in the rubbish bin -
it would either go in the fridge for yourself the next day
or you would feed it to your dog.
There is not a dog in the world that could resist it.

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 11:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 7:56pm: Good comment from another site: She had a Labrador, but didn't give it the beef Wellington she chucked in the bin. It's weird that the dog didn't get the special high value meat treat that was binned, usually such a high value meat treat wouldn't be wasted like this which makes me suspicious. After she spent so much money on the meat and you had some left over you would at least give it to the dog before putting it into the bin. It's so expensive to feed dogs that no one would chuck beef Wellington containing big chunks of ribeye fillet in the rubbish bin - it would either go in the fridge for yourself the next day or you would feed it to your dog. There is not a dog in the world that could resist it.

Evidence from here:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-day-one-mushroom-leongatha-don-gail-ian-heather-20250429-p5lv58.html

yesterday 4.05pm


Quote:

Signs of death cap mushrooms in beef Wellington leftovers found in bin The jury is now being told about the forensic evidence in the case.

This thread is making me hungry

Daves2017 wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 12:07am:

This thread is making me hungry

For a beef Wellington containing wild mushrooms?

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 11:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 7:56pm: Good comment from another site: She had a Labrador, but didn't give it the beef Wellington she chucked in the bin. It's weird that the dog didn't get the special high value meat treat that was binned, usually such a high value meat treat wouldn't be wasted like this which makes me suspicious. After she spent so much money on the meat and you had some left over you would at least give it to the dog before putting it into the bin. It's so expensive to feed dogs that no one would chuck beef Wellington containing big chunks of ribeye fillet in the rubbish bin - it would either go in the fridge for yourself the next day or you would feed it to your dog. There is not a dog in the world that could resist it.

yes.
If it was me I would be putting the leftovers in someones elses bin, a few blocks away

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 5:02am:

yes. If it was me I would be putting the leftovers in someones elses bin, a few blocks away

She wouldn't have lasted long if Columbo was on the case.   ::)

She went to an area known to have death caps and it was all
traced on her mobile phone.


https://hammer.ucla.edu/sites/default/files/styles/hero_r_large/public/2025-01/2Columbo.jpg

Of course Columbo could only keep one eye on the case.

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 11:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 7:56pm: Good comment from another site: She had a Labrador, but didn't give it the beef Wellington she chucked in the bin. It's weird that the dog didn't get the special high value meat treat that was binned, usually such a high value meat treat wouldn't be wasted like this which makes me suspicious. After she spent so much money on the meat and you had some left over you would at least give it to the dog before putting it into the bin. It's so expensive to feed dogs that no one would chuck beef Wellington containing big chunks of ribeye fillet in the rubbish bin - it would either go in the fridge for yourself the next day or you would feed it to your dog. There is not a dog in the world that could resist it.

Depends if it had onions in it, also I would not give my dog pastry.

I don't know anything about this case but I'm careful what I give my dog.

Have the prosecutors said what the motive was?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html

Fridays are shorter sitting days in court,
which means proceedings for the day will start about 10.30am and conclude by 1pm,
unlike other weekdays when they wrap up at 4.15pm.

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:18am:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Fridays are shorter sitting days in court, which means proceedings for the day will start about 10.30am and conclude by 1pm, unlike other weekdays when they wrap up at 4.15pm.

Motive?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:20am:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:18am: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Fridays are shorter sitting days in court, which means proceedings for the day will start about 10.30am and conclude by 1pm, unlike other weekdays when they wrap up at 4.15pm. Motive?

We dunno yet -

the main guest she would have wanted to murder didn't turn up.

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:20am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:18am: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Fridays are shorter sitting days in court, which means proceedings for the day will start about 10.30am and conclude by 1pm, unlike other weekdays when they wrap up at 4.15pm. Motive? We dunno yet - the main guest she would have wanted to murder didn't turn up.

Who was the main guest, and why did she want to murder them?

I haven't followed the story that closely, and all the evidence seems to indicate that she's guilty, but I can't find a motive.

Did I miss something?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:25am:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:20am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:18am: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Fridays are shorter sitting days in court, which means proceedings for the day will start about 10.30am and conclude by 1pm, unlike other weekdays when they wrap up at 4.15pm. Motive? We dunno yet - the main guest she would have wanted to murder didn't turn up. Who was the main guest, and why did she want to murder them? I haven't followed the story that closely, and all the evidence seems to indicate that she's guilty, but I can't find a motive. Did I miss something?

Simon Patterson - estranged husband.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/may/01/erin-patterson-husband-simon-mushroom-lunch-murder-trial-australia-ntwnfb

Murder accused urged Simon Patterson to change his mind
about not attending ‘special meal’, Victorian court hears

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:25am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:20am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:18am: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Fridays are shorter sitting days in court, which means proceedings for the day will start about 10.30am and conclude by 1pm, unlike other weekdays when they wrap up at 4.15pm. Motive? We dunno yet - the main guest she would have wanted to murder didn't turn up. Who was the main guest, and why did she want to murder them? I haven't followed the story that closely, and all the evidence seems to indicate that she's guilty, but I can't find a motive. Did I miss something? Simon Patterson - estranged husband. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/may/01/erin-patterson-husband-simon-mushroom-lunch-murder-trial-australia-ntwnfb Murder accused urged Simon Patterson to change his mind about not attending ‘special meal’, Victorian court hears

Why did she want to murder him?   :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:35am:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:34am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:25am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:20am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:18am: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Fridays are shorter sitting days in court, which means proceedings for the day will start about 10.30am and conclude by 1pm, unlike other weekdays when they wrap up at 4.15pm. Motive? We dunno yet - the main guest she would have wanted to murder didn't turn up. Who was the main guest, and why did she want to murder them? I haven't followed the story that closely, and all the evidence seems to indicate that she's guilty, but I can't find a motive. Did I miss something? Simon Patterson - estranged husband. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/may/01/erin-patterson-husband-simon-mushroom-lunch-murder-trial-australia-ntwnfb Murder accused urged Simon Patterson to change his mind about not attending ‘special meal’, Victorian court hears Why did she want to murder him?   :-/

Dunno yet - estranged husbands are usual murder targets.

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:35am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:34am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:25am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:20am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:18am: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Fridays are shorter sitting days in court, which means proceedings for the day will start about 10.30am and conclude by 1pm, unlike other weekdays when they wrap up at 4.15pm. Motive? We dunno yet - the main guest she would have wanted to murder didn't turn up. Who was the main guest, and why did she want to murder them? I haven't followed the story that closely, and all the evidence seems to indicate that she's guilty, but I can't find a motive. Did I miss something? Simon Patterson - estranged husband. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/may/01/erin-patterson-husband-simon-mushroom-lunch-murder-trial-australia-ntwnfb Murder accused urged Simon Patterson to change his mind about not attending ‘special meal’, Victorian court hears Why did she want to murder him?   :-/ Dunno yet - estranged husbands are usual murder targets.

He wasn't there, though.

So what was the motive for killing the other people?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:39am:

He wasn't there, though. So what was the motive for killing the other people?

Patience my son - patience -

just follow the trial and we'll all find out.


Maybe she is just crazy and wanted to murder as many people as possible?

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:39am: He wasn't there, though. So what was the motive for killing the other people? Patience my son - patience - just follow the trial and we'll all find out. Maybe she is just crazy and wanted to murder as many people as possible?

Dorrie Evans effect.

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:39am: He wasn't there, though. So what was the motive for killing the other people? Patience my son - patience - just follow the trial and we'll all find out. Maybe she is just crazy and wanted to murder as many people as possible?

Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned.

Leroy wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:45am:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:39am: He wasn't there, though. So what was the motive for killing the other people? Patience my son - patience - just follow the trial and we'll all find out. Maybe she is just crazy and wanted to murder as many people as possible? Dorrie Evans effect.

?


Dorrie Evans, a character played by actress Pat McDonald,
is best known for her portrayal as a comical, gossiping, and meddling character
in the Australian soap opera "Number 96".
She became a fan favorite for her recurring sayings,
particularly "Why wasn't I told?", and her malapropisms like calling headaches "migrants".

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 10:49am:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:39am: He wasn't there, though. So what was the motive for killing the other people? Patience my son - patience - just follow the trial and we'll all find out. Maybe she is just crazy and wanted to murder as many people as possible? Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned.

Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned.

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 11:02am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:49am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:39am: He wasn't there, though. So what was the motive for killing the other people? Patience my son - patience - just follow the trial and we'll all find out. Maybe she is just crazy and wanted to murder as many people as possible? Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned. Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned.

How was she scorned by the people who died?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 11:05am:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:02am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:49am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:39am: He wasn't there, though. So what was the motive for killing the other people? Patience my son - patience - just follow the trial and we'll all find out. Maybe she is just crazy and wanted to murder as many people as possible? Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned. Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned. How was she scorned by the people who died?

Patience my son - patience -

just follow the trial and we'll all find out.

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:02am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:49am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 10:39am: He wasn't there, though. So what was the motive for killing the other people? Patience my son - patience - just follow the trial and we'll all find out. Maybe she is just crazy and wanted to murder as many people as possible? Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned. Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned. How was she scorned by the people who died? Patience my son - patience - just follow the trial and we'll all find out.

Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 11:07am:

Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned.

Yes but I think I read that motive doesn't have to be proven?


Follow today here:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:07am: Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned. Yes but I think I read that motive doesn't have to be proven? Follow today here: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html

Sure.  The evidence suggests she's guilty.

But there just seems to be no motive at all.

It's very, very strange.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 11:18am:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:16am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:07am: Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned. Yes but I think I read that motive doesn't have to be proven? Follow today here: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Sure.  The evidence suggests she's guilty. But there just seems to be no motive at all. It's very, very strange.

Who knows what was going on inside that woman's head?

The prosecution only has to prove that she murdered them.

BTW - she won't take the stand so they can't ask her any questions.  ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 11:18am:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:16am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:07am: Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned. Yes but I think I read that motive doesn't have to be proven? Follow today here: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Sure.  The evidence suggests she's guilty. But there just seems to be no motive at all. It's very, very strange.

She has kids with her ex husband.   Assuming, her aim was to kill her ex husband, his parents, husband's aunt + her husband.  So, if they all die at the same time, then the inheritance will mainly go to her and her kids right? 

Money troubles with ex hubby:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html

Updated May 2, 2025 — 1.42pmfirst published at 10.08am


Erin Patterson trial LIVE updates:

Estranged husband Simon Patterson gives evidence on tense texts with wife,
family rift over birthday invites and child support as mushroom cook case continues.



1.42pm

‘You have to shut that conversation down’: Judge warns jurors against chit-chat

By Marta Pascual Juanola

Supreme Court Justice Christopher Beale has now concluded today’s proceedings by reminding jurors about the extensive media coverage of the case, and the fact they may come into contact with people over the weekend who know they are serving on the jury and will want to discuss the case.

“You have to shut that conversation down,” Beale said.

Beale also reminded jurors that they should ignore any information about the case online, and in the media, and urged them to “switch off”, enjoy their weekend and come back to court refreshed next week.

tickleandrose wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 11:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:18am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:16am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:07am: Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned. Yes but I think I read that motive doesn't have to be proven? Follow today here: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Sure.  The evidence suggests she's guilty. But there just seems to be no motive at all. It's very, very strange. She has kids with her ex husband.   Assuming, her aim was to kill her ex husband, his parents, husband's aunt + her husband.  So, if they all die at the same time, then the inheritance will mainly go to her and her kids right?

Depends if she's in the will or not.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 3:40pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:45am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:18am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:16am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:07am: Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned. Yes but I think I read that motive doesn't have to be proven? Follow today here: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Sure.  The evidence suggests she's guilty. But there just seems to be no motive at all. It's very, very strange. She has kids with her ex husband.   Assuming, her aim was to kill her ex husband, his parents, husband's aunt + her husband.  So, if they all die at the same time, then the inheritance will mainly go to her and her kids right?  Depends if she's in the will or not.

Reminds me of an old Steptoe and Son episode:

Steptoe was discussing his life insurance policy with Harold - and said -
"I'm worth more dead than alive" with a smile on his face.
Harold turned to Steptoe and in a slow serious voice and face said -
"yes - you are aren't you"
Steptoe then had a look of horror and fear on his face.  LOL

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 10:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 3:41pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 1st, 2025 at 12:29am: I'd like to see clear evidence that she had those books, and that she was a forager etc... It's called 'chain of evidence'   --someone says she had books on fungi - there are receipts or records of her purchasing such books or they are in evidence at her home....... otherwise it's hearsay. This is like Martin Bryant - AFTER the event tall tales arose in the boondocks of Tasmania about how he was known to grab the steering wheel of the car his late benefactor drove and such and how he must therefore have caused her death and his own serious injury etc and thus gained her property and inheritance   ...  and that he was out shooting all the time and was an expert shot, which does not gel with his testimony on record and is not supported by ammunition purchase receipts etc ... and that he was known to be weird (well - he has a very low IQ) and loved surfing and didn't shoot animals ... Somehow none of that gels with some alleged sudden urge to go down to the Broad Arrow and shoot some Asians/Japs or something ..... and in the absence of opportunity to do that - start shooting anyone in sight.... it just doesn't gel. Where is the chain of evidence?  You can't just insert rumours and stories from neighbours... Where Are The Books?  Where are the people who went mushrooming with her in person to testify to her outstanding knowledge of all things fungi- including knowing the difference between the death fungi and others? I'm starting to get the feeling she might walk on this one.....  and it's only just begun...... Police have CCTV of her dumping a food dehydrator at the tip after the murders that contained death cap mushrooms despite her claiming she never owned a food dehydrator....Death cap mushrooms are not sold in Australia....Her mobile phone showed she was in the area in the days leading up to the murders where death cap mushrooms grow....Her relatives were poisoned with death cap mushrooms she fed them but avaoided consuming the deadly meal herself....Relatives have confirmed she was well aware what death cap mushrooms are....Yes definatly innocent??? ::) ::) ::) I didn't say she was innocent - I said she might walk on the evidence and how it is interpreted.  Wait for the actual Evidence in court - not tales of what 'relatives' say etc.... on local tall tales you'd likely be hung tomorrow at dawn.... We are all aware of the dumping of the dehydrator etc.... it's how it is interpreted that matters.  Her defence team started off saying she panicked after the others fell ill... meaning they are not contesting the dehydrator.... now all the other things have to come together to avoid any doubt.... and that means people don't just repeat local stories - they must have first hand evidence. Now I'm no chef - but why dehydrate mushrooms for beef wellington?  I thought they were cooked whole in the sauce... OK - 'mushroom puree' before baking...... who dehydrates mushrooms to make a puree?  Anyone - I'm not a chef or a mushroom cook....??  I hate mushrooms... now I know why...

Mushrooms go in fresh - whole or sliced - at my place.

You'd only use dehydrated if there were no fresh available - surely?

But she could be the type that goes out when wild edibles are in season and picks the lot - uses some and dehydrates the rest so they keep longer. 

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 3:40pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:45am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:18am: Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:16am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2025 at 11:07am: Seems strange that the motive has never been mentioned. Yes but I think I read that motive doesn't have to be proven? Follow today here: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/erin-patterson-trial-live-updates-alleged-mushroom-killer-s-estranged-husband-simon-patterson-returns-to-the-stand-for-second-day-20250502-p5lvyj.html Sure.  The evidence suggests she's guilty. But there just seems to be no motive at all. It's very, very strange. She has kids with her ex husband.   Assuming, her aim was to kill her ex husband, his parents, husband's aunt + her husband.  So, if they all die at the same time, then the inheritance will mainly go to her and her kids right?  Depends if she's in the will or not.

She doesn't have to be in their wills ... if her children are then she as their guardian will be the trustee and have power over any assets or money left to her children.

Looks like Erin Patterson will do time for what she's done -

a lot of time.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-03/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-simon-husband-court-jury/105245990


The first week of Erin Patterson's mushroom murder trial
outlines the decision facing a jury

By court reporter Kristian Silva
Topic:Courts

Sat 3 May


When police turned up to Erin Patterson's house, they began looking through the rubbish for a leftover beef Wellington.

An officer walked to an outside bin, put on some gloves, and started fishing inside.

"The bin had approximately three bags piled on top of each other," crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC told the Supreme Court in Morwell this week.

"The leftovers, which looked like a meat-filled pastry, were in the bottom of the bottom bag."
As a packed courtroom watched on, pictures of the stale-looking remnants were flashed up on the screens.

What was initially thought to be the source of food poisoning, then became a suspected murder weapon.

Reduced to its simplest form, the jury in Ms Patterson's trial will have to decide whether a beef Wellington cooked in her kitchen represents a terrible accident, or the ultimate act of betrayal.

According to prosecutors, Ms Patterson carefully crafted a plan to lure her in-laws to her home on July 29, 2023.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-05/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-live-blog/105252270

2m ago

More on beef Wellington


By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy asks about Erin Patterson as a mother.

"Her life appeared to revolve around her children," Ms Barkley says.

"Absolutely it did, that's all she appeared to care about ... I thought she was a wonderful mother."

Ms Barkley says the cookbook RecipeTinEats was a prominent feature of the online group's discussion.

She says other members of the group had made beef Wellington before and it was a loved dish for the group.

Ms Barkley tells the court that Erin had mentioned her love of mushrooms to the group.

"I always knew that about her, yep," she says.

Latest updates but no knockout blows today.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-06/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-live-blog-tues/105257526

Results from today:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-07/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-live-blog-evidence/105262422

Results from today:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-08/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-live-blog-court-evidence/105267156

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2025/may/13/erin-patterson-trial-australian-woman-witness-evidence-mushroom-murder-case-day-ten-ntwnfb


Erin Patterson murder trial day 10 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

Distinguishing between edible and poisonous fungi is difficult, mushroom expert tells Erin Patterson trial.

3h ago

15.43 AEST

Fungi expert agrees death cap mushrooms under-reported in regional areas

Lawyer Sophie Stafford says Dr Thomas May has made clear the limitations of his opinion when looking at the 10 images and where he required further information.

“That is correct,” he says.

Under cross-examination by Stafford, May agrees that death cap mushrooms may not be reported on websites like iNaturalist because there are no regular surveys in the state besides “sweeps” done at some locations in the Royal Botanic Gardens in Melbourne.

He agrees there is an under-reporting of death cap mushrooms in regional areas.


4h ago
15.20 AEST
Fungi expert shown pictures of mushrooms in court

Erin Patterson’s lawyer, Sophie Stafford, has begun cross-examining Dr Thomas May.

Stafford is taking May through 10 images of mushrooms and asking him to identify which ones are consistent with death caps.

May says some images do not reflect the actual colour of the mushroom which can make it difficult to determine the species.

For all of these images there might be a possibility … it could be something else.

Looks like Erin won't take the stand.

If it was me on trial and I was innocent there is no way
I could sit there for 6 weeks and say nothing -
I'd want my say in court before they locked me up for life
for something I hadn't done.
They couldn't shut me up and I wouldn't care what my lawyer advised.

It's not looking good for Erin:

She had been an air traffic controller – a very high IQ job -
and the fact she survived eating foraged mushrooms before
meant she knew something about identifying them
or she would have been dead years ago.
Death cap mushrooms are easy to spot and they are the first ones
foragers learn about so they can avoid them.

Bobby. wrote on May 13^th, 2025 at 9:17pm:

It's not looking good for Erin: She had been an air traffic controller – a very high IQ job - and the fact she survived eating foraged mushrooms before meant she knew something about identifying them or she would have been dead years ago. Death cap mushrooms are easy to spot and they are the first ones foragers learn about so they can avoid them.

Quote:

Distinguishing between edible and poisonous fungi is difficult, mushroom expert tells Erin Patterson trial.

You have posted both of these.

Leroy wrote on May 13^th, 2025 at 10:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2025 at 9:17pm: It's not looking good for Erin: She had been an air traffic controller – a very high IQ job - and the fact she survived eating foraged mushrooms before meant she knew something about identifying them or she would have been dead years ago. Death cap mushrooms are easy to spot and they are the first ones foragers learn about so they can avoid them. Quote: Distinguishing between edible and poisonous fungi is difficult, mushroom expert tells Erin Patterson trial. You have posted both of these.

I think he is talking in general but death caps are easy to recognise.

For a start - they have white gills underneath them.

I’m not so sure that they are so easy to id.
I’m very slowly thinking she might not be guilty .

It’s definitely a case that will stop the mushroom market for a bit and I love mushrooms.

It’s the vegan answer to a steak!

I don’t believe mushrooms brought from a farmer or Woolworths are ever going to be dangerous !

Where did she say she got these mushrooms?
A Asian supermarket?

I suspect she picked them herself completely unknowingly they where deadly.

https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/lifestyle/why-mushrooms-are-popping-up-everywhere-on-the-gold-and-tweed-coasts/news-story/a38fe16fa560e3403f376283432948d2

Even mushrooms experts can get it wrong. It’s not hard to imagine she picked them not knowing.

It’s also easy to believe a Asian supermarket supplier got it wrong but then why didn’t anyone else who brought the mushrooms get sick?

Clearly, this is the government’s fault!!!!!🫠

latest here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-14/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-fungi-expert-live-blog/105289606



1h ago

Mycologist told doctors death cap poisoning should be 'impossible'

Judd Boaz profile image
By Judd Boaz

A photo is shown to the court, which is the same photo emailed to Dr Truong on July 31.

It shows a picture of the beef Wellington pastry and some of the finely-chopped brown filling.

"I told her based on this particular photograph, I would not be able to give her identification," Dr Truong says.

"She said they had been bought from a supermarket and … a Chinese shop I believe."

Dr Truong says she told Dr Muldoon it was "probably impossible" to be death cap mushrooms, due to them only growing in the wild and being unable to be cultivated.

"I also told her there were absolutely no sightings of death cap mushrooms during the last months," Dr Truong says.

"Based on the information I received, it was highly unlikely to be a case of death cap mushroom poisoning."

Well Erin knew enough about death cap mushrooms to make sure she did not consume them....She must have prepared her meal separately....Definatly innocent???

;) ;) ;)

philperth2010 wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 2:11pm:

Well Erin knew enough about death cap mushrooms to make sure she did not consume them....She must have prepared her meal separately....Definatly innocent??? ;) ;) ;)

I'd like to see her on the stand -

question -
why did you take a perfectly good Sunbeam food dehydrator to the tip?

I have not been following this very closely but there is room for that reasonable doubt from what I have read.

My 'gut' says she is guilty but if I was on that Jury, I could not convict based on what I have read/seen.

Aussie wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 2:48pm:

I have not been following this very closely but there is room for that reasonable doubt from what I have read. My 'gut' says she is guilty but if I was on that Jury, I could not convict based on what I have read/seen.

Don't think so -

looks like she did everything she could to hide or destroy evidence.

Bobby. wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 2:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 2:11pm: Well Erin knew enough about death cap mushrooms to make sure she did not consume them....She must have prepared her meal separately....Definatly innocent??? ;) ;) ;) I'd like to see her on the stand - question - why did you take a perfectly good Sunbeam food dehydrator to the tip?

Quote:

A Sunbeam FoodLab electronic dehydrator owned by Erin Patterson was a subject of the police investigation. Police say they found a Sunbeam food dehydrator with Ms Patterson's fingerprints on it dumped at the Koonwarra tip soon after the lunch. Defence lawyers for Ms Patterson say she admits she panicked and lied to authorities, claiming in her initial police interview she had never owned a dehydrator. Facebook friends of Ms Patterson told the court that Erin had posted about purchasing and using a dehydrator to a private group chat in the months before the lunch, explaining that she had been using it to dehydrate mushrooms.

:-? :-? :-?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-06/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-evidence-timeline/105245152

Aussie wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 2:48pm:

I have not been following this very closely but there is room for that reasonable doubt from what I have read. My 'gut' says she is guilty but if I was on that Jury, I could not convict based on what I have read/seen.

I agree, 100%.

philperth2010 wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 3:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 2:39pm: philperth2010 wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 2:11pm: Well Erin knew enough about death cap mushrooms to make sure she did not consume them....She must have prepared her meal separately....Definatly innocent??? ;) ;) ;) I'd like to see her on the stand - question - why did you take a perfectly good Sunbeam food dehydrator to the tip and then lie about it? :-? :-? :-?

I did not write the highlighted section.

That's a false quote from me and against Ozpol rules.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 3:07pm:

Aussie wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 2:48pm: I have not been following this very closely but there is room for that reasonable doubt from what I have read. My 'gut' says she is guilty but if I was on that Jury, I could not convict based on what I have read/seen. I agree, 100%.

Then -

Why did she fake a cancer claim to get the guests to come over for lunch?

Why did she lie about foraging for mushrooms?

How does she explain how all your dinner guests were poisoned by death cap mushrooms
(except herself and her children) but there were no death caps in the leftovers in her bin?

Bobby. wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 3:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 3:07pm: Aussie wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 2:48pm: I have not been following this very closely but there is room for that reasonable doubt from what I have read. My 'gut' says she is guilty but if I was on that Jury, I could not convict based on what I have read/seen. I agree, 100%. Then - Why did she fake a cancer claim to get the guests to come over for lunch? Why did she lie about foraging for mushrooms? How does she explain how all your dinner guests were poisoned by death cap mushrooms (except herself and her children) but there were no death caps in the leftovers in her bin?

I don't have answers.

I just agree with Aussie:

"My 'gut' says she is guilty but if I was on that Jury, I could not convict based on what I have read/seen."

I still haven't seen the prosecution say what the motive was.

More questions for Erin:

you went foraging for mushrooms before -
how did you avoid picking and consuming poisonous mushrooms?
Surely you can identify death caps?

Aussie and Greggy are soft cocks -

I'd convict her on what I've read.

Bobby. wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 3:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 3:07pm: Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 2:39pm: philperth2010 wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 2:11pm: Well Erin knew enough about death cap mushrooms to make sure she did not consume them....She must have prepared her meal separately....Definatly innocent??? ;) ;) ;) I'd like to see her on the stand - question - why did you take a perfectly good Sunbeam food dehydrator to the tip and then lie about it? :-? :-? :-? I did not write the highlighted section. That's a false quote from me and against Ozpol rules.

Fixed it ya sook!!!

:'( :'( :'(

There is no doubt Erin poisoned her guests and killed them....There is no doubt Erin went to the areas where death cap mushrooms were reported growing, how else would she get death cap mushrooms....Erin was the only one who did not eat the death cap mushrooms and supposedly ate the same meal as her guests....Erin lied to police about owning a food dehydrator and dumped it soon after the meal....The food dehydrator had Erin's fingerprints on it and tested positive to death cap mushrooms....I think she might be guilty!!!


Quote:

Dr Rogers says traces of amanita phalloides mushroom toxins were found on Ms Patterson's dehydrator located at the tip and from leftovers recovered by authorities

:-? :-? :-?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-30/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-leongatha-victoria-aus/105230440

Bobby. wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 3:16pm:

Aussie and Greggy are soft cocks -

You don't like soft cocks?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 3:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 3:16pm: Aussie and Greggy are soft cocks - You don't like soft cocks?

It was meant as a term describing a weak, effeminate personality -

like you and Aussie.

philperth2010 wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 3:30pm:

There is no doubt Erin poisoned her guests and killed them....There is no doubt Erin went to the areas where death cap mushrooms were reported growing, how else would she get death cap mushrooms....Erin was the only one who did not eat the death cap mushrooms and supposedly ate the same meal as her guests....Erin lied to police about owning a food dehydrator and dumped it soon after the meal....The food dehydrator had Erin's fingerprints on it and tested positive to death cap mushrooms....I think she might be guilty!!! Quote: Dr Rogers says traces of amanita phalloides mushroom toxins were found on Ms Patterson's dehydrator located at the tip and from leftovers recovered by authorities :-? :-? :-? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-30/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-leongatha-victoria-aus/105230440

As do I....but it is not enough to just 'think she MIGHT be guilty.'

Aussie wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 5:22pm:

As do I....but it is not enough to just 'think she MIGHT be guilty.'

The jury are just ordinary people.
They will go with their gut instincts that she's as guilty as sin.

Aussie wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 5:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 3:30pm: There is no doubt Erin poisoned her guests and killed them....There is no doubt Erin went to the areas where death cap mushrooms were reported growing, how else would she get death cap mushrooms....Erin was the only one who did not eat the death cap mushrooms and supposedly ate the same meal as her guests....Erin lied to police about owning a food dehydrator and dumped it soon after the meal....The food dehydrator had Erin's fingerprints on it and tested positive to death cap mushrooms....I think she might be guilty!!! Quote: Dr Rogers says traces of amanita phalloides mushroom toxins were found on Ms Patterson's dehydrator located at the tip and from leftovers recovered by authorities :-? :-? :-? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-30/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-leongatha-victoria-aus/105230440 As do I....but it is not enough to just 'think she MIGHT be guilty.'

Fair enough....However she did poison her guests which is not in doubt....I believe the jury will find her guilty!!!

:-/ :-/ :-/

philperth2010 wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Fair enough....However she did poison her guests which is not in doubt....I believe the jury will find her guilty!!! :-/ :-/ :-/

And then she will appeal the case - it will go on for years.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 5:25pm:

Aussie wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:22pm: As do I....but it is not enough to just 'think she MIGHT be guilty.' The jury are just ordinary people. They will go with their gut instincts that she's as guilty as sin.

I agree Bobby....The only reason she lied was to cover up her crime....If it was an innocent mistake she would not have known the mushrooms were the cause of the illness and dispose of the food dehydrator which implicated her in the murder???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:25pm: Aussie wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:22pm: As do I....but it is not enough to just 'think she MIGHT be guilty.' The jury are just ordinary people. They will go with their gut instincts that she's as guilty as sin. I agree Bobby....The only reason she lied was to cover up her crime....If it was an innocent mistake she would not have known the mushrooms were the cause of the illness and dispose of the food dehydrator which implicated her in the murder??? :-? :-? :-?

Yes it looks like she picked the death caps when they were in season -
dried them with her Sunbeam food dehydrator and kept them in a container
to use in her murder plot.

Bobby. wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:40pm: Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:25pm: Aussie wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:22pm: As do I....but it is not enough to just 'think she MIGHT be guilty.' The jury are just ordinary people. They will go with their gut instincts that she's as guilty as sin. I agree Bobby....The only reason she lied was to cover up her crime....If it was an innocent mistake she would not have known the mushrooms were the cause of the illness and dispose of the food dehydrator which implicated her in the murder??? :-? :-? :-? Yes it looks like she picked the death caps when they were in season - dried them with her Sunbeam food dehydrator and kept them in a container to use in her murder plot.

I agree Bobby....Erin has lied about everything!!!


Quote:

Security footage has been played to Erin Patterson's triple-murder trial, showing her dumping a food dehydrator at the tip in the days after she hosted a deadly lunch. Prosecutors allege traces of death cap mushrooms were found on the black Sunbeam dehydrator, the same toxin ingested by four guests who ate beef Wellingtons at Ms Patterson's home on July 29, 2023. CCTV from the Koonwarra Transfer Station And Landfill was played to the Supreme Court on Wednesday, showing Ms Patterson's red car pull up outside a large green shed on August 2, 2023. Ms Patterson is seen retrieving the dehydrator from her boot and taking it inside the shed. Tip manager Darren Canty said the item was later retrieved from an e-waste bin and given to police.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-14/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-food-dehydrator-tip/105289716

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 3:30pm:

There is no doubt Erin poisoned her guests and killed them....There is no doubt Erin went to the areas where death cap mushrooms were reported growing, how else would she get death cap mushrooms....Erin was the only one who did not eat the death cap mushrooms and supposedly ate the same meal as her guests....Erin lied to police about owning a food dehydrator and dumped it soon after the meal....The food dehydrator had Erin's fingerprints on it and tested positive to death cap mushrooms....I think she might be guilty!!! Quote: Dr Rogers says traces of amanita phalloides mushroom toxins were found on Ms Patterson's dehydrator located at the tip and from leftovers recovered by authorities :-? :-? :-? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-30/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-leongatha-victoria-aus/105230440

She is guilty.
Death cap mushrooms do not appear in a meal by accident.
They are not available commercially.
She has been linked to a similar death in the past.

It must have been a terrible way to die.

philperth2010 wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 5:53pm:

I agree Bobby....Erin has lied about everything!!!

Of course she has.

Identifying the Deathcap. Amanita phalloides.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uey7ohDORvI

Imagine if she did take the stand?

She's the Hollywood type who would break down in tears all the time -
especially when asked a hard question.

It would have been painful to watch her Academy Award acting.

philperth2010 wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:25pm: Aussie wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:22pm: As do I....but it is not enough to just 'think she MIGHT be guilty.' The jury are just ordinary people. They will go with their gut instincts that she's as guilty as sin. I agree Bobby....The only reason she lied was to cover up her crime....If it was an innocent mistake she would not have known the mushrooms were the cause of the illness and dispose of the food dehydrator which implicated her in the murder??? :-? :-? :-?

If it was an innocent mistake, she would have also eaten those deathcap mushrooms and died like the rest of her guests - or been on death's doorstep like the pastor.

Today's live action:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-15/blog-erin-patterson-mushroom-trial-thursday-may-15/105294536

Aquarius wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:23am:

philperth2010 wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:40pm: Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:25pm: Aussie wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:22pm: As do I....but it is not enough to just 'think she MIGHT be guilty.' The jury are just ordinary people. They will go with their gut instincts that she's as guilty as sin. I agree Bobby....The only reason she lied was to cover up her crime....If it was an innocent mistake she would not have known the mushrooms were the cause of the illness and dispose of the food dehydrator which implicated her in the murder??? :-? :-? :-? If it was an innocent mistake, she would have also eaten those deathcap mushrooms and died like the rest of her guests - or been on death's doorstep like the pastor.

Agreed....Her mistake was leaving evidence and lying to police....Guilty!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 1:08pm:

Aquarius wrote on May 15th, 2025 at 11:23am: philperth2010 wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:40pm: Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:25pm: Aussie wrote on May 14th, 2025 at 5:22pm: As do I....but it is not enough to just 'think she MIGHT be guilty.' The jury are just ordinary people. They will go with their gut instincts that she's as guilty as sin. I agree Bobby....The only reason she lied was to cover up her crime....If it was an innocent mistake she would not have known the mushrooms were the cause of the illness and dispose of the food dehydrator which implicated her in the murder??? :-? :-? :-? If it was an innocent mistake, she would have also eaten those deathcap mushrooms and died like the rest of her guests - or been on death's doorstep like the pastor. Agreed....Her mistake was leaving evidence and lying to police....Guilty!!! ::) ::) ::)

Still got those gallows at Fremantle jail Phil?.

This is remarkably unremarkable and it is one of the obvious flaws in the Jury system.  If anyone really believes Jurors do NOT discuss the day by day events of Trials with at least one Family Member, then you are denying human nature and common sense.  Sequestration is the answer especially when a person's liberty is at stake.  Yes, it costs large but, if we are fair dinkum about it, that is only way to prevent pillow talk.

Link.

Aussie wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 6:42pm:

This is remarkably unremarkable and it is one of the obvious flaws in the Jury system.  If anyone really believes Jurors do NOT discuss the day by day events of Trials with at least one Family Member, then you are denying human nature and common sense.  Sequestration is the answer especially when a person's liberty is at stake.  Yes, it costs large but, if we are fair dinkum about it, that is only way to prevent pillow talk. Link.

Jury sequestration means a jury is isolated from the public and media during a trial to prevent outside influences from impacting their decision-making. This isolation typically involves jurors being housed together in a hotel or other location with limited contact with family, friends, or the public, and they are often prohibited from accessing news reports or other information about the case.

Bobby. wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 6:44pm:

Aussie wrote on May 15th, 2025 at 6:42pm: This is remarkably unremarkable and it is one of the obvious flaws in the Jury system.  If anyone really believes Jurors do NOT discuss the day by day events of Trials with at least one Family Member, then you are denying human nature and common sense.  Sequestration is the answer especially when a person's liberty is at stake.  Yes, it costs large but, if we are fair dinkum about it, that is only way to prevent pillow talk. Link. Jury sequestration means a jury is isolated from the public and media during a trial to prevent outside influences from impacting their decision-making. This isolation typically involves jurors being housed together in a hotel or other location with limited contact with family, friends, or the public, and they are often prohibited from accessing news reports or other information about the case.

People lose control -

they can't help gossiping -

we see it here on Ozpol every day.

I wonder what evidence is being covered up?

If the cops would have found witchcraft books at her home would
they hide that from the court or would the Judge prevent it being disclosed?

I’ve been working so not really up on everything but it seems-

1 the police haven’t established a motive.

2 the police cannot prove it was death cap mushrooms added by her too the meal.

3 Mushroom experts are on record saying that what they have been shown aren’t death cap mushrooms.

There is now rumours of the occult and witchcraft.

Hmmmm, another “ dingoes got my baby “ case?

Was the poison something all together different? Added by someone without her knowing?

I do note the estranged husband new the dinner party was on.

More than one cook in the kitchen?

It was Aliens.
Afterall, Joe Biden pushed that they're real, during his term.

Latest up to the minute news:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-16/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-blog-friday-16-may/105299730

Interesting. I’m really 50/50 on if she’s guilty.

What was her motivation?

Daves2017 wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 11:05am:

Interesting. I’m really 50/50 on if she’s guilty. What was her motivation?

A witch?

Bobby. wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 11:10am:

Daves2017 wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 11:05am: Interesting. I’m really 50/50 on if she’s guilty. What was her motivation? A witch?

A revenge fuelled bwitch?

Bobby. wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 11:10am:

Daves2017 wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 11:05am: Interesting. I’m really 50/50 on if she’s guilty. What was her motivation? A witch?

That's not a motive.

I still feel in my gut that she's guilty (although I still couldn't convict if I was on the jury), but I'm wondering why the prosecutors haven't mentioned a motive (yes, I know they don't have to).

Let's, just for the sake of the argument, say that she is guilty of premeditated murder.

Why did she do it?

Bobby. wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 10:40am:

Latest up to the minute news: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-16/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-blog-friday-16-may/105299730

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/mushroom-case-daily

greggerypeccary wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 1:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 11:10am: Daves2017 wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 11:05am: Interesting. I’m really 50/50 on if she’s guilty. What was her motivation? A witch? That's not a motive. I still feel in my gut that she's guilty (although I still couldn't convict if I was on the jury), but I'm wondering why the prosecutors haven't mentioned a motive (yes, I know they don't have to). Let's, just for the sake of the argument, say that she is guilty of premeditated murder. Why did she do it?

It’s interesting. I don’t pretend to be a lawyer ( hi Aussie) but I just can’t see how they have proven she actually put the poison in the food.

You can’t lock someone up for murder ( 4 years, good behaviour, out in 2) on a vibe can you?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 1:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 11:10am: Daves2017 wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 11:05am: Interesting. I’m really 50/50 on if she’s guilty. What was her motivation? A witch? That's not a motive. I still feel in my gut that she's guilty (although I still couldn't convict if I was on the jury), but I'm wondering why the prosecutors haven't mentioned a motive (yes, I know they don't have to). Let's, just for the sake of the argument, say that she is guilty of premeditated murder. Why did she do it?

Do witches need a motive? -
I'm curious.


Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVoOLdLgWaU

Bobby. wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 1:39pm: Bobby. wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 11:10am: Daves2017 wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 11:05am: Interesting. I’m really 50/50 on if she’s guilty. What was her motivation? A witch? That's not a motive. I still feel in my gut that she's guilty (although I still couldn't convict if I was on the jury), but I'm wondering why the prosecutors haven't mentioned a motive (yes, I know they don't have to). Let's, just for the sake of the argument, say that she is guilty of premeditated murder. Why did she do it? Do witches need a motive? -

Usually, yes.

So, what was her motive?

It seems that there's not a single person on the planet who can answer that question.

For me, that raises a big red flag.

Daves2017 wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 4:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 1:39pm: Bobby. wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 11:10am: Daves2017 wrote on May 16th, 2025 at 11:05am: Interesting. I’m really 50/50 on if she’s guilty. What was her motivation? A witch? That's not a motive. I still feel in my gut that she's guilty (although I still couldn't convict if I was on the jury), but I'm wondering why the prosecutors haven't mentioned a motive (yes, I know they don't have to). Let's, just for the sake of the argument, say that she is guilty of premeditated murder. Why did she do it? It’s interesting. I don’t pretend to be a lawyer ( hi Aussie) but I just can’t see how they have proven she actually put the poison in the food.

They haven't.

The evidence against her certainly looks damning, but they haven't proven her guilt and they haven't suggested a motive.

“ 5.He told the court the phone may have made multiple trips to the areas, but was likely to be stationary in Outtrim for 25 minutes on May 22, a day after a death cap was observed in the area.”

“ Abc

That sounds like pure speculation?
It proves nothing?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-19/erin-patterson-mushroom-trial-evidence-continues-court/105310220


Erin Patterson's phone recorded in areas near where
death cap mushrooms were reported, court told

By court reporter Kristian Silva
Topic:Courts

16m ago



In short:
A telecommunications expert says Erin Patterson's phone connected to towers near Outtrim and Loch after the poisonous mushrooms were reported growing in the towns.

Ms Patterson denies she deliberately put death cap mushrooms in the beef Wellingtons eaten by her lunch guests in July 2023.

What's next?
The trial is due to resume on Tuesday.


Erin Patterson's phone connected to cell towers near where death cap mushrooms were growing in the months before the fatal lunch at her home, the Supreme Court has been told.

According to phone records, Ms Patterson's mobile was detected during a potential visit to Outtrim on May 22, 2023, a day after a mushroom expert posted that death caps were growing in Neilson Street.

The trial of Erin Patterson, who stands accused of using a poisoned meal to murder three relatives, continues.

Catch up on the latest developments from Monday's hearing with our blog.

Ms Patterson's phone also connected to towers near the town of Loch earlier on May 22, the court heard. A death cap mushroom sighting was also reported in that area in April 2023.

Ms Patterson, who lived in the nearby town of Leongatha, is accused of using death cap mushrooms to poison four relatives at a family lunch on July 29, 2023.

This is how it becomes trail by media!

I will quote exactly what the expert witness said today in court


Daves2017 wrote on May 19^th, 2025 at 5:02pm:

“ 5.He told the court the phone may have made multiple trips to the areas, but was likely to be stationary in Outtrim for 25 minutes on May 22, a day after a death cap was observed in the area.” “ Abc

“ MAY” have been in the location.

Therefore logically you can assume it MAY not have been.

Daves2017 wrote on May 19^th, 2025 at 6:48pm:

This is how it becomes trail by media! I will quote exactly what the expert witness said today in court Daves2017 wrote on May 19th, 2025 at 5:02pm: “ 5.He told the court the phone may have made multiple trips to the areas, but was likely to be stationary in Outtrim for 25 minutes on May 22, a day after a death cap was observed in the area.” “ Abc “ MAY” have been in the location. Therefore logically you can assume it MAY not have been.

I think she's as guilty as sin.

I hope they find as such.

Just thinking about my own mushroom foraging:

I went foraging for mushrooms myself, a few years ago and the problem was that even using
3 different apps on my mobile phone I couldn't identify the type of mushroom 100%.
All those apps had large warnings saying the results could be wrong
and that eating them could make you sick or even cause death -
so – all the mushrooms I found went into the rubbish bin
except for a few found on a grassy field – not under trees
that I was confident were ordinary safe mushrooms.
Even then it was difficult as some of them were known as yellow stainers
and had to be rejected -
if you ran your fingernail over the cap you'd see a yellow stain
yet they looked almost identical to the edible field mushrooms.
The ones I did eat were delicious and didn't hurt me.
I don't think I'd do it again – it's too risky and the ones
that are most prized seem to grow on wood which is also
where the most poisonous ones are too.

Many years ago, mum told me about how my dad had picked fresh field mushrooms, cooked them and ate them only to have to go to hospital ill as they were poisonous.
I think he was lucky by the looks of this case with 3 dying from it.
It must be hard to tell them apart… I see lovely mushrooms growing but I wouldn’t have a clue and can’t tell the difference.…so I don’t pick them.

As kids - we used to pick mushrooms - and I hated them even then.  As I grew to be able to decide my own likes in food - I dumped mushrooms and a few other things.

Point is - we never picked 'bad' mushrooms .. there were rules on what to pick and what to leave... only the best ones were chosen.

Sophia wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:46pm:

Many years ago, mum told me about how my dad had picked fresh field mushrooms, cooked them and ate them only to have to go to hospital ill as they were poisonous. I think he was lucky by the looks of this case with 3 dying from it. It must be hard to tell them apart… I see lovely mushrooms growing but I wouldn’t have a clue and can’t tell the difference.…so I don’t pick them.

Anything that is not round, flat, white & with brown gills underneath is poisonous.

Like many frog and insect species - the gawdier/brighter the colours the more deadly poison they are.

One thing I miss from my 1950s childhood is
wandering around paddocks after a spring rain
and gathering mushrooms in a bucket.  There's
nothing quite like a black field mushroom sautéed
in salty butter, and maybe on toast or with a steak.

Nowadays farmers are using so many chemicals
on their pastures that I never see them growing
in the wild any more, and the pretend mushrooms
that Coles and Woolies sell are absolute crap.

Laughably, both stores call these things "field" mushrooms...

https://i.postimg.cc/PqkZ5PBM/Screenshot-2025-05-31-at-22-29-29-Flat-Field-Mushrooms-Queen-Victoria-Market.png

Sophia wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:46pm:

Many years ago, mum told me about how my dad had picked fresh field mushrooms, cooked them and ate them only to have to go to hospital ill as they were poisonous. I think he was lucky by the looks of this case with 3 dying from it. It must be hard to tell them apart… I see lovely mushrooms growing but I wouldn’t have a clue and can’t tell the difference.…so I don’t pick them.

As a guess what he picked in the field was a yellow stainer mushroom.
They are very common amongst wild edible field mushrooms.
If you run your thumbnail across the cap
you'll see a yellow stain as per here and if you eat them
you'll get very sick but you won't die:


https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/6d/6f/bf/6d6fbf052700ba4bd1b11279f8718fea.jpg

Also - amongst wild mushrooms the ones with white gills underneath are normally poisonous -
however - this type of shop bought mushroom is very tasty - amongst the best you can buy -
and has white gills underneath:


https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/ca/5c/c7/ca5cc785cc137110c2b431bbedd136d5.jpg

Wow - I assume she can be cross examined by the prosecution now!


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-02/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-live-blog-june-2/105364950

Accused triple murderer Erin Patterson has taken the stand to give evidence in court.


After the prosecution wrapped up their case, defence barrister Colin Mandy SC informed the jury that Erin Patterson would take the stand.

Here are some of the things we heard from the beginning of her evidence:

1.Erin and Simon Patterson met at work at Monash City Council in 2004. They started dating in 2005, got engaged in 2007, and married that year. Her parents were on holiday in Russia at the time so Ian Wilkinson’s son walked her down the aisle.
2.Simon converted her to Christianity. She described her first church service, led by Ian Wilkinson, as “a spiritual experience”.
3.Erin says the 2009 birth of her son was long and traumatic,  requiring an emergency caesarean.
4.When her son was ready to be sent home, the hospital wanted Erin to stay but she discharged herself against medical advice.
5.They separated in late 2009, the first of a number of separations. Erin said she and Simon had trouble communicating.
6.Erin told the court she had been fighting “a never-ending battle of low self-esteem”, particularly as she gained weight.
7.In 2023, Erin’s children were living with her full time. Their daughter often spent Saturdays with Simon Patterson, but Erin says their son only saw his father at church or youth group.
8.By 2023, Erin felt a distance had grown between her and the Patterson family, particularly Don and Gail. She didn’t think Simon wanted her to be involved with his family anymore.

The police have work hard to discredit her but that’s not proof.

I look forward too the police bringing her kindergarten school mate forward too provided damnin testimony about she thinks she did it because she’s got a vibe after 50 years she’s guilty!

Have they proven anything?
Anything at all?

The prosecution will make mincemeat of her tomorrow.

Decoding the Behavior of Erin Patterson with The Behavior Panel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WJMuWRnMIg

Live trial updates today here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-03/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-tuesday-june-3/105369752


2m ago

Separation was 'difficult', Erin testifies


Joseph Dunstan profile image
By Joseph Dunstan

Erin says in the "immediate aftermath" of the separation, "it was difficult, as it had been at other separations".

"But that only lasted a handful of weeks. We went back to just being really good friends," she says.

She says she "constantly" reflected on the reasons for the separation.

"I didn't want to be separated, but I felt there was no choice," Erin says.

"Our primary problem was, if we had a disagreement or any kind of conflict, we didn't seem to be able to talk about it in a way where either or us felt heard or understood. We just felt hurt, and we didn't really know how to do that well."

 Could Patterson go the well-trodden "diminished responsibility" path?

Double post.

Server super slow 2320 3/06.

Only if they can eventually providing some proof she actually put the mushrooms in the meal.

I’m sure eventually they will submit some proof to the court after all the heresy and this is our vibe of what occurred unproven rubbish is finally done with.

The way it’s going atm I suggest I could argue equally as well “ a dingo” put the deadly mushrooms in the meal!

Why bother with proof when you don’t have any?

The dingo did it! ;D

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-04/blog-erin-patterson-trial-wednesday-june-4/105374160

9m ago

We return to the preparation of the deadly lunch
Joseph Dunstan profile image
By Joseph Dunstan

We're back on the meal preparations, as Erin outlines how she fried the steaks on both sides, then let them rest.

Then she assembled the beef Wellingtons.

"I used the egg flip again to, I guess, lift a little bit [of the duxelles] out of the oven try and put on each steak ... and then wrapped each one in filo, and then wrapped each one in puff pastry," she says.

She says she made six of the individual beef Wellingtons.

"At the appropriate time, I put them in the oven ... I wanted them to be out and resting by 12:30 [when guests arrived]," she says.

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 4^th, 2025 at 2:14am:

Only if they can eventually providing some proof she actually put the mushrooms in the meal. I’m sure eventually they will submit some proof to the court after all the heresy and this is our vibe of what occurred unproven rubbish is finally done with. The way it’s going atm I suggest I could argue equally as well “ a dingo” put the deadly mushrooms in the meal! Why bother with proof when you don’t have any?

She made the meal - she put the mushrooms in the meal - the only question that she is trying to raise is whether it was deliberate or not.  That's why her history of lying about things is being explored.

It is not enough to say that she is guilty because she can be proven to have lied... this is a criminal case - not a Deuce case of 'just my opinion' said the judge - that she lied about other things does not mean she is lying about this.

It is clear she DID put the mushrooms in the meal - she is accepting that - her defence is that she did it inadvertently - which is contradicted by the fact that she alone did not get sick at the meal time.  Her kids eating leftovers - of the dish she specially prepared for herself, is not a valid argument.  If the kids DID eat leftovers from the full meal - they would have fallen ill as well.

So now she claims that she ate too much cake after the beef wellington meal and
so she made herself vomit and that's why she didn't get sick from the mushrooms.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 4^th, 2025 at 12:23pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 4th, 2025 at 2:14am: Only if they can eventually providing some proof she actually put the mushrooms in the meal. I’m sure eventually they will submit some proof to the court after all the heresy and this is our vibe of what occurred unproven rubbish is finally done with. The way it’s going atm I suggest I could argue equally as well “ a dingo” put the deadly mushrooms in the meal! Why bother with proof when you don’t have any? She made the meal - she put the mushrooms in the meal - the only question that she is trying to raise is whether it was deliberate or not.  That's why her history of lying about things is being explored. It is not enough to say that she is guilty because she can be proven to have lied... this is a criminal case - not a Deuce case of 'just my opinion' said the judge - that she lied about other things does not mean she is lying about this. It is clear she DID put the mushrooms in the meal - she is accepting that - her defence is that she did it inadvertently - which is contradicted by the fact that she alone did not get sick at the meal time.  Her kids eating leftovers - of the dish she specially prepared for herself, is not a valid argument.  If the kids DID eat leftovers from the full meal - they would have fallen ill as well.

So if she did it unintentionally that’s man slaughter not murder?

Yes or no?

Latest news from trial:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-05/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-blog-thursday-june-5/105378798


4m ago

Prosecution continues on Erin's conversation at hospital

Joseph Dunstan profile image
By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers suggests that Erin lied to the doctor about mushrooming.

Erin responds that "nobody was interested in what I did months and years ago" during those conversations, and that everything was all centred specifically on the meal.

"Are you telling this jury that you understood Professor Stuart to be asking you questions only about the beef Wellington?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I believe that's what I understood at the time, yes," Erin says.


Key Event
8m ago
Erin says she doesn't recall denying foraging mushrooms
Joseph Dunstan profile image
By Joseph Dunstan

Erin's asked about previous evidence from another senior doctor at Monash Health, Rhonda Stuart, who saw Ms Patterson days after the lunch.

The doctor previously told the court she asked Erin where she had bought the mushrooms in the meal from but Erin was unable to tell her specifically.

Professor Stuart previously told the court she had asked Erin "if she'd been mushrooming and if she'd used any other mushrooms" but Erin told her no, she'd only used the two types of mushrooms described, from Woolworths and the Asian grocer.

"Do you accept that Professor Stuart asked you if you'd been mushrooming?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I accept that that's what she said," Ms Patterson says.

"Did you, in effect, say no to Professor Stuart?"

"To which question?"

"If you'd been mushrooming."

"I don't remember that conversation."

Dr Rogers suggests that in that conversation, Erin denied going mushrooming to Professor Stuart.

"I don't remember the conversation," Erin repeats.

I think she’s admitted it has occurred and how but I don’t believe the police have proven intent.

Guilty of man slaughter definitely but so far I see no evidence of murder.

It’s a really interesting and  totally tragic event.

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 5^th, 2025 at 3:12pm:

I think she’s admitted it has occurred and how but I don’t believe the police have proven intent. Guilty of man slaughter definitely but so far I see no evidence of murder. It’s a really interesting and  totally tragic event.

I agree. If there was ever intent of murder of 4 persons, one would think of being more discreet so as not as obvious. She’s just too easy for the pickings and trial by media imo.
I would hate to be part of jury duty… I think it’s manslaughter… not murder.

I read how she was saying her son and grandfather were like 2 minds together. They got on so well.
I doubt she would want to kill that.
Very sad, tragic.

I just think she stuffed up.
Sadly for her, in a very bad way.

Just because people don't have media savvy personalities or even perceive the Media as an all powerful god with its Holy Celebrities, that rule their entire persona and existence of correctness.
The Media will paint them as akin to heathens, unbelievers and GUILTY of being untrue.

Erin Patterson seems to be the type of person who will lie if they think
it can be advantageous for them.
She better not lie in court – that would be perjury.

She has told so many lies outside of court -
to the doctors at the hospital,
to the police, to her guests at the meal,
the list goes on and on.
Is she a compulsive liar?


Latest here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-06/live-blog-erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-june-6/105384340

In my uneducated opinion I don’t believe that she can be found guilty of murder as what she has admitted to is man slaughter.

If she is acquitted will she walk free or face a future trial for man slaughter?

The whole thing is a terrible mess.

Just like her cooking.

^ 😂

Jasin wrote on Jun 6^th, 2025 at 5:34pm:

Just like her cooking.

You can't believe anything she says.
She believes it's OK to tell lies if you are panicking.  ::)

When Erin Patterson went to the hospital or even knew about her
dinner guests being in hospital after her meal -
she should have taken all mushrooms she had in a bag and any leftover or
thrown out food from that meal to the hospital so the chemists there
could analyze it for poisons.
There is an antidote for death caps and if taken soon enough
they may very well have still been alive.

All she did was hide the truth and try to cover up any evidence -
then claim she panicked in case it was pinned on her -
she didn't think about those poor people who were poisoned by her food -
only herself.
Just her bad attitude would make me vote against her if I was in the jury -
whether the poisonings were deliberate or not.

Also -
I would never serve anyone mushrooms that were picked in the wild
without telling my guests first because
everyone knows that wild mushrooms can be poisonous and are hard to identify.
She gave the guests no chance to refuse the meal.

Latest today:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-11/erin-patterson-mushroom-murder-trial-live-blog-wednesday-june-11/105401832



24m ago
Things the court heard today
Mikaela Ortolan profile image
By Mikaela Ortolan

Erin Patterson took to the witness box for a seventh day today, as lead prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC continued to question her.

Here's what the court heard:

1.Dr Rogers said Ms Patterson was "initially reluctant" to have her children assessed at hospital following the deadly lunch because she knew they had not eaten leftovers from the contaminated meal and their lives were not at risk. Ms Patterson said that was incorrect.

2.Ms Patterson was asked why she would feed her children leftovers even though she'd been experiencing diarrhoea in the aftermath of the lunch and knew some of the guests were unwell. Ms Patterson said she "didn't know or suspect" the meal had made them ill.

3.Ms Patterson accepted that the ENRICH Clinic in Melbourne, where she previously told the jury she had an appointment regarding gastric-bypass surgery, did not offer gastric-bypass procedures.

4. The accused maintains she bought dried mushrooms which she believed ended up in the fatal meal from an Asian grocer in Melbourne's south-east. But the prosecution said that was a "deliberate lie" because "you knew you were guilty of deliberately poisoning your [guests]". Ms Patterson rejected that.

5.Ms Patterson told the jury a beef Wellington was "the perfect meal" for pungent dried mushrooms. Ms Patterson previously told the court she had avoided using dried mushrooms she purchased from an Asian grocer because of their strong smell.

I can’t see that they have proven she did it on purpose?

:)

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSkGWfFdQ/

She wasn't an Iron Chef or Master Chef.
But she did make it to Ninja Chef

Gordon wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 7:47am:

:) https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSkGWfFdQ/

Now that is bad taste graffiti. 

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2025 at 11:28pm:

I can’t see that they have proven she did it on purpose?

Indeed.

No motive either.

My gut tells me that she's guilty, but if I was on that jury there's no way I could convict.

A gut feeling isn't good enough, and the prosecution's evidence just isn't convincing enough.

She looks like a Mushroom, what further evidence do you need?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 3:59pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 19th, 2025 at 11:28pm: I can’t see that they have proven she did it on purpose? Indeed. No motive either. My gut tells me that she's guilty, but if I was on that jury there's no way I could convict. A gut feeling isn't good enough, and the prosecution's evidence just isn't convincing enough.

I think they have , I would give a guilty verdict

Erin Patterson is a very devious woman and a compulsive liar.

She went to great pains to lure her guests to lunch by stating she had been diagnosed with cancer.  Why?

She deviously ensured that only her guests ate the Beef Wellingtons with the death cap mushrooms in it.  Why?

As far as I am concerned she is guilty. Whether the jury finds the same is another thing.

Apparently she was found to have changed her stories a lot with contradictions and lies which basically helped to do herself in.

Aquarius wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

Erin Patterson is a very devious woman and a compulsive liar. She went to great pains to lure her guests to lunch by stating she had been diagnosed with cancer.  Why? She deviously ensured that only her guests ate the Beef Wellingtons with the death cap mushrooms in it.  Why? As far as I am concerned she is guilty. Whether the jury finds the same is another thing.

Totally guilty.
Wy would anyone procure poisonous mushrooms?
I'ld imagine poisonous mushrooms are not easy to get.
They are not commercially available.
Why would anyone go out of their way to identify, travel somewhere, pick some, then bring poisonous mushrooms home?
Why put them in a desiccator?
Why discard the desiccator away afterwards?

She's not a stupid person, she worked briefly as an air traffic controller which is a very hard course to qualify from.

But smart people do dumb things.

If she indeed killed them on purpose, all she had to do was claim it was a terrible accident form the beginning and there would be probably no case. She could say she foraged the mushrooms and made a terrible mistake. The max case they could bring would be something like criminal negligence.

They'll put her away in a dark room like a mushroom 🍄

Jasin wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 7:55pm:

They'll put her away in a dark room like a mushroom 🍄

Will they let her tend the prison garden?

I'm the same as Gregg and Daves - I feel she is guilty - but you cannot convict on a feeling.

The prosecutor is intensely rhetorical - which also raises concerns in my mind.  It looks like she is working very hard to give the worst impression rather than letting the facts speak for themselves - as they must.

If Patterson were a yob bloke with a magistrate - she'd be a goner.

Let's see what a jury can work out.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 6:32pm:

[quote author=Aquarius link=1745899549/192#192 date=1750402039] Wy would anyone procure poisonous mushrooms? I'ld imagine poisonous mushrooms are not easy to get. They are not commercially available. Why would anyone go out of their way

Eh nein,i can collect poison mushrooms any day after rain followed by humidity in my front yard/ jungle.

I never would because-

1 doesn’t matter how much a expert you just can’t tell the difference between the good ones or death ones.

2 they aren’t going send me broke  to buy from a supermarket and ( hopefully) know I have healthy ones.


I think she’s guilty of man slaughter and has admitted as much.

They haven’t proven she did it on purpose .

If I mistaken killing three people from my cooking i would lose the plot and possibly act as she has.

People do crazy things under  huge pressure.

They have proven she’s a liar .

So what?

We have governments full of liars!

P.s she’s admitting to man slaughter. I believe that. I don’t believe they have proven she murdered .

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 6:32pm:

Aquarius wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 4:47pm: Erin Patterson is a very devious woman and a compulsive liar. She went to great pains to lure her guests to lunch by stating she had been diagnosed with cancer.  Why? She deviously ensured that only her guests ate the Beef Wellingtons with the death cap mushrooms in it.  Why? As far as I am concerned she is guilty. Whether the jury finds the same is another thing. Totally guilty. Wy would anyone procure poisonous mushrooms? I'ld imagine poisonous mushrooms are not easy to get. They are not commercially available. Why would anyone go out of their way to identify, travel somewhere, pick some, then bring poisonous mushrooms home? Why put them in a desiccator? Why discard the desiccator away afterwards?

All logical points.

And then there were the spontaneous tears - poor little innocent me.  But she knew what she was doing.  She is not an uneducated person. She procured those death cap mushrooms and used them in the meal knowing full well that they were there - otherwise she would have innocently eaten them and died along with others or become extremely ill like the one survivor. She knew what death cap mushrooms are, she knew what they looked like.  She made sure she didn't eat any.

The husband has also eaten meals made by Erin Patterson that left him in a near fatal condition in hospital. 

Honestly, I know my cooking is pretty much atrocious but I've never left anyone retching after a meal - let alone on death's doorstep! 

just did 10 seconds of googling.
The difference between poisonous mushies and normal ones is pretty obvious.

the ones out the front of our place are poisonous

Aussie wrote on May 14^th, 2025 at 2:48pm:

I have not been following this very closely but there is room for that reasonable doubt from what I have read. My 'gut' says she is guilty but if I was on that Jury, I could not convict based on what I have read/seen.

Still my view.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 21^st, 2025 at 6:40pm:

just did 10 seconds of googling. The difference between poisonous mushies and normal ones is pretty obvious. the ones out the front of our place are poisonous

Make sure the missus knows about that and it is on video..... just in case, you understand.

Gordon wrote on Jun 20^th, 2025 at 8:27pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 20th, 2025 at 7:55pm: They'll put her away in a dark room like a mushroom 🍄 Will they let her tend the prison garden?

Chief chef...

The jury is out now.

My opinion -

The judge seemed to be on Erin's side when he gave the jury advice.
He said something about how she wasn't on trial for lying -
she couldn't be convicted of murder for lying -
even though any jury member would see those lies as
an attempt to cover up the crime.

If the jury follows that advice then Erin might walk free.    :-/

Her first meal in prison should be Mushrooms and Mash.

I've been mushrooming myself and believe me more than
90% of what I picked went into the rubbish bin.
Even all those Apps on the web can't 100% identify any mushroom.
Any mushroom near a tree with white gills is too suspicious to eat.
Was she asked any questions along those lines?

Even field mushrooms can look OK but with the poisonous yellow stainers -
you rub your thumbnail across the cap and if it leaves a yellow stain – don't eat it.

She should have known what death caps looked like.

I have had a bit of experience watching court cases and
the intelligence of the person on trial always came up and
was mentioned by the magistrate.
I seemed to me that the more intelligent someone was the more severe the sentence.
Since Erin was in a high IQ air traffic control job – ATC – it will count against her.
Not only that but ATC is all about public safety.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2025 at 5:41pm:

She should have known what death caps looked like. I have had a bit of experience watching court cases and the intelligence of the person on trial always came up and was mentioned by the magistrate. I seemed to me that the more intelligent someone was the more severe the sentence. Since Erin was in a high IQ air traffic control job – ATC – it will count against her. Not only that but ATC is all about public safety.

She's devious.  She's smart.  She's wholly responsible for the deaths of 3 people.  She almost killed her husband.  Fortunately he survived. 

She knew what death cap mushrooms looked like.  She made sure she and her children didn't eat any.  If she was totally innocent she would have eaten those mushrooms herself.  She tried to blame an Asian grocer ... but funnily enough no one else who bought mushrooms from that grocer died.

If she is found not guilty it will be biggest travesty of all time.   But lots of people on juries are loathe to convict.  And the verdict has to be unanimous.  There are 14 people on that jury and regardless of their decision, she will always be guilty in my mind.