In Chopper's words, Bryant said:

'...One minute I'm eating my Trevally (fish) and peas.
The next minute the room's full of dead people.'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HYZ4dbmV8E&lc=

I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:18am:

I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way.

Look deeper - do you think the person described could have done it?

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:29am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:18am: I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way. Look deeper - do you think the person described could have done it?

You starting another conspiracy theory, Bobby?

If the insane guy with the crazy eyes didn't kill all those people, who did?

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExd3p2cDBvdmlxOWJrOThtOGNva3prMXczdW04Nmp2YnZwZ3duYzF6dCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/tFK8urY6XHj2w/giphy.gif

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:29am: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:18am: I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way. Look deeper - do you think the person described could have done it? You starting another conspiracy theory, Bobby? If the insane guy with the crazy eyes didn't kill all those people, who did?

Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange.
Bryant is saying that he didn't do it -
he was eating food not killing people.

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:35am: Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:29am: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:18am: I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way. Look deeper - do you think the person described could have done it? You starting another conspiracy theory, Bobby? If the insane guy with the crazy eyes didn't kill all those people, who did? Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange. Bryant is saying that he didn't do it - he was eating food not killing people.

Was he?

Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes?

This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:48am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:35am: Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:29am: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:18am: I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way. Look deeper - do you think the person described could have done it? You starting another conspiracy theory, Bobby? If the insane guy with the crazy eyes didn't kill all those people, who did? Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange. Bryant is saying that he didn't do it - he was eating food not killing people. Was he? Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes? This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes.

Bullshit - he was joking.     ::)

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:48am: Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:35am: Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:29am: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:18am: I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way. Look deeper - do you think the person described could have done it? You starting another conspiracy theory, Bobby? If the insane guy with the crazy eyes didn't kill all those people, who did? Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange. Bryant is saying that he didn't do it - he was eating food not killing people. Was he? Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes? This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes. Bullshit - he was joking.     ::)

What do conspiracy theorists and Excel have in common?

Greggy,
I'm not playing your silly games of riddles.

The port Arthur massacre left many unanswered questions:

https://web.archive.org/web/20040203072156/www.shootersnews.addr.com/snportarthur.html

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 4:05pm:

Greggy, I'm not playing your silly games of riddles. The port Arthur massacre left many unanswered questions: https://web.archive.org/web/20040203072156/www.shootersnews.addr.com/snportarthur.html

No.  There are no unanswered questions.

What do conspiracy theorists and Excel have in common?

They spreadsheet.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 4:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 4:05pm: Greggy, I'm not playing your silly games of riddles. The port Arthur massacre left many unanswered questions: https://web.archive.org/web/20040203072156/www.shootersnews.addr.com/snportarthur.html No.  There are no unanswered questions. What do conspiracy theorists and Excel have in common? They spreadsheet.

There are over 60 links at the link above.

That should keep you busy for a few days.

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 5:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 4:57pm: Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 4:05pm: Greggy, I'm not playing your silly games of riddles. The port Arthur massacre left many unanswered questions: https://web.archive.org/web/20040203072156/www.shootersnews.addr.com/snportarthur.html No.  There are no unanswered questions. What do conspiracy theorists and Excel have in common? They spreadsheet. There are over 60 links at the link above. That should keep you busy for a few days.

I'll leave that to the crazy people, Bobby.

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:29am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:18am: I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way. Look deeper - do you think the person described could have done it?

I would say that the witness statements, and the fact that Bryant confessed after initially denying, is enough evidence that Bryant shot dead 35 people and injured many more.

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:48am: Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes? This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes. Bullshit - he was joking.     ::)

If ever there was a time to smack you over the back of the head to wake you up to your complete stupidity, it is straight after you posted this. Bryant does not go to a tourist spot to enjoy some meal and then get away with not getting shot by a gunman who shoots random people in the very cafe you were in.

Chopper is a attention whore for the media and so full of B/S.  ;D

I met Chopper once… he was selling off his wine at Sexpo Melbourne.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:48am:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:35am: Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:29am: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:18am: I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way. Look deeper - do you think the person described could have done it? You starting another conspiracy theory, Bobby? If the insane guy with the crazy eyes didn't kill all those people, who did? Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange. Bryant is saying that he didn't do it - he was eating food not killing people. Was he? Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes? This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes.

Just an aside here - which lies and crimes were those?

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:50am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:48am: Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes? This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes. Bullshit - he was joking.     ::) If ever there was a time to smack you over the back of the head to wake you up to your complete stupidity, it is straight after you posted this. Bryant does not go to a tourist spot to enjoy some meal and then get away with not getting shot by a gunman who shoots random people in the very cafe you were in.

Lot of people got away unshot....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:48am: Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:35am: Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:29am: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:18am: I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way. Look deeper - do you think the person described could have done it? You starting another conspiracy theory, Bobby? If the insane guy with the crazy eyes didn't kill all those people, who did? Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange. Bryant is saying that he didn't do it - he was eating food not killing people. Was he? Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes? This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes. Just an aside here - which lies and crimes were those?

Armed robbery, firearm offences, assault, arson, impersonating a police officer and kidnapping.

"Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange.
Bryant is saying that he didn't do it -
he was eating food not killing people.



Was he?

Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes?

This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes."


.. you see - you must connect your perpetrator to the offence ... not combine your statements... so - who committed these crimes?  Bryant or Read?  Who was eating food at the Broad Arrow?  Chopper or Vague Eyes?  A dangling party disciple....???

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

"Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange. Bryant is saying that he didn't do it - he was eating food not killing people. Was he? Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes? This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes." .. you see - you must connect your perpetrator to the offence ... not combine your statements... so - who committed these crimes?  Bryant or Read?  Who was eating food at the Broad Arrow?  Chopper or Vague Eyes?  A dangling party disciple....???

Chopper was convicted of crimes including: armed robbery, firearm offences, assault, arson, impersonating a police officer and kidnapping.

Chopper is a known liar and felon.

I wouldn't believe a word he says.

Chopper never met Bryant - it's just another one of his bullshit stories that he's well known for.

Bryant is a mass murderer.

Bobby is a conspiracy theorist with too much time on his hands.

We clear now?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:11pm: "Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange. Bryant is saying that he didn't do it - he was eating food not killing people. Was he? Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes? This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes." .. you see - you must connect your perpetrator to the offence ... not combine your statements... so - who committed these crimes?  Bryant or Read?  Who was eating food at the Broad Arrow?  Chopper or Vague Eyes?  A dangling party disciple....??? Chopper was convicted of crimes including: armed robbery, firearm offences, assault, arson, impersonating a police officer and kidnapping. Chopper is a known liar and felon. I wouldn't believe a word he says. Chopper never met Bryant - it's just another one of his bullshit stories that he's well known for. Bryant is a mass murderer. Bobby is a conspiracy theorist with too much time on his hands. We clear now?

Greggy,
you got the word on the street:

In Chopper's words, Bryant said:

'...One minute I'm eating my Trevally and peas.
The next minute the room's full of dead people.'

Jasin wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:58pm:

Chopper is a attention whore for the media and so full of B/S.  ;D

Yeah, but, how long after the Port Arthur massacre did this video recording take place? Even 28 years later, I would be pissed off at some guy laughing about how Bryant allegedly said something so flippant about the chaos he caused.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:17pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 12:39pm: Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:50am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:48am: Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes? This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes. Bullshit - he was joking.     ::) If ever there was a time to smack you over the back of the head to wake you up to your complete stupidity, it is straight after you posted this. Bryant does not go to a tourist spot to enjoy some meal and then get away with not getting shot by a gunman who shoots random people in the very cafe you were in. Lot of people got away unshot....

Two little girls ran from Bryant. Bryant ran after the youngest girl that tried to hide behind a tree. This straight after seeing her sister getting shot. The second person in the cafe to get shot was one guy that stood up to warn other people of the gunman shooting people. I run scenarios over and over in my head of the fear and confusion that people had at the attack. I also picture Bryant having no expression or remorse at what he did.

Bryant  "joking" about confessing to his crimes? Bryant is a moron, and we can leave it at that as to the credibility of a false confession.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:55pm:

Bryant is a moron, and we can leave it at that as to the credibility of a false confession.

Bryant is too much of a moron to even tie his own shoe laces -
yet along carry out Australia's worst massacre.

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:26pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:11pm: "Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange. Bryant is saying that he didn't do it - he was eating food not killing people. Was he? Says who - a convicted killer who spent his entire life telling lies and committing crimes? This might come as a shock to you, Bobby, but Bryant confessed to his crimes." .. you see - you must connect your perpetrator to the offence ... not combine your statements... so - who committed these crimes?  Bryant or Read?  Who was eating food at the Broad Arrow?  Chopper or Vague Eyes?  A dangling party disciple....??? Chopper was convicted of crimes including: armed robbery, firearm offences, assault, arson, impersonating a police officer and kidnapping. Chopper is a known liar and felon. I wouldn't believe a word he says. Chopper never met Bryant - it's just another one of his bullshit stories that he's well known for. Bryant is a mass murderer. Bobby is a conspiracy theorist with too much time on his hands. We clear now? Greggy, you got the word on the street: In Chopper's words, Bryant said: '...One minute I'm eating my Trevally and peas. The next minute the room's full of dead people.'

Chopper was a lying piece of poo.

He never met Bryant.

If you think he did, prove it.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 9:30pm:

Chopper was a lying piece of poo. He never met Bryant. If you think he did, prove it.

I watched the video - Chopper convinced me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HYZ4dbmV8E&lc=

"a dangling party disciple".... this has merit .... I'll see if I can work it in somewhere....

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 7:16pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 4:55pm: Bryant is a moron, and we can leave it at that as to the credibility of a false confession. Bryant is too much of a moron to even tie his own shoe laces - yet along carry out Australia's worst massacre.

Bryant was known to hold people's lives with not consideration. He was even known for yanking the steering wheel of a driver to cause them to go off the road. There are people like that who have psychopathic tendencies. It would not surprise me that he would kill 35 people.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 7:16pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 4:55pm: Bryant is a moron, and we can leave it at that as to the credibility of a false confession. Bryant is too much of a moron to even tie his own shoe laces - yet along carry out Australia's worst massacre. Bryant was known to hold people's lives with not consideration. He was even known for yanking the steering wheel of a driver to cause them to go off the road. There are people like that who have psychopathic tendencies. It would not surprise me that he would kill 35 people.

umm -  he didn't even confess it to his mother:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56JCVbaCqCM

I listened to that 60 Minutes segment about Bryant's mother. It seems that Bryant did confess. He pleaded not guilty at trial. But, he was persuaded to change his plea, to avoid a costly trial.

What was the Coroner’s verdict?

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 4:30pm:

What was the Coroner’s verdict?

What are you talking about?

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

I listened to that 60 Minutes segment about Bryant's mother. It seems that Bryant did confess. He pleaded not guilty at trial. But, he was persuaded to change his plea, to avoid a costly trial.

He confessed to the police when he thought the camera was off.

Watch the video and see for yourself:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1271617/Martin-Bryant-admits-guilt-not-knowing-camera-recording.html

Bobby. wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 4:33pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 4:30pm: What was the Coroner’s verdict? What are you talking about?

I’m talking about the verdict by the Coroner who presided at the inquest into the 35 deaths.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 7:16pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 4:55pm: Bryant is a moron, and we can leave it at that as to the credibility of a false confession. Bryant is too much of a moron to even tie his own shoe laces - yet along carry out Australia's worst massacre. Bryant was known to hold people's lives with not consideration. He was even known for yanking the steering wheel of a driver to cause them to go off the road. There are people like that who have psychopathic tendencies. It would not surprise me that he would kill 35 people.

Those are the rumours, anyway.  Those who told that story of wheel yanking had no real way of knowing for sure - kind of a Bruce thing - but when that pub jury is back in... well - they could be just yanking your wheel.

Remember that guy I've told yez about who did twelve years for a murder he had no way of committing - and on the basis of his drunken woman companion at the traveling campfire getting into a rave about how he killed that bloke etc ... when pissed to the gills?

Yes, yes - we all know the 'word' was that Bryant yanked the steering wheel of his benefactor older woman - but she wasn't around then to say Yay or Nay to that.  People criticise 'Deadly Deception at Port Arthur' and its conclusions and thoughts - yet accept without question a single book written after all these events by a journo, in which such things as 'wheel yanking' are mentioned as fact, but without proof or even evidence.

All wrong - Bryant was the real killer behind the JFK job... makes as much sense.... when people WANT to blackball someone, any old story will do no matter how absurd.

Grappler, can you do some plain speakin' and tell me what your opinion on Martin Bryant's mass murder spree?

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 7:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 4:33pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 4:30pm: What was the Coroner’s verdict? What are you talking about? I’m talking about the verdict by the Coroner who presided at the inquest into the 35 deaths.

And - what did he say?

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:35am: Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:29am: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:18am: I don't know how old this video is of Read. But, him joking about the Port Arthur massacre is something that really would rub most people the wrong way. Look deeper - do you think the person described could have done it? You starting another conspiracy theory, Bobby? If the insane guy with the crazy eyes didn't kill all those people, who did? Dunno - the whole thing seems a bit strange. Bryant is saying that he didn't do it - he was eating food not killing people.

Witness statements are that Bryant was there. Bryant had at least one firearm on his person. Bryant was found at the scene of a guest house, where he set fire to the house to try and confuse police in his attempt to escape. Here is a video of Martin Bryant's police video interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCyZbr-7SG0

Bryant said he was taken hostage and forced to the seaside cottages .... the usual suspect 'book written later to blacken his name' - arrives at the amazing conclusion that while he - a near moron - was 'behaving tactically' inside the house and holding his cover - he apparently also ran back and forth between the house and an outbuliding, exposing himself to police gunfire during a siege - from memory twice!!

WTF??  I'd pay no attention to this self-serving journo's book written after the event and filled with 'grabs at steering wheels' (trying to kill himself was he?) and other pub stories.... amazing what a bloke can have done after a few schooners.... there's yer Furphy.

You ever lived in a small town?  If you have you know what I am talking about... by the time it travels 10km up the valley, a simple request to the local copper to be allowed to cross the flooding river to get home, knocked back on safety grounds, becomes a dire confrontation between that cop and a licenced security guy ...  WTF???

There's a reason for the term 'village idiots'...... two-headed Taswegians  .... so what if Chopper did meet Martin Bryant?  They had different agendas... apparently Bryant had one  ... Chopper had his own .... Chopper wouldn't have given him a moment's thought or a single word..... "oo's this skinny little blond prick talkin' guns?"

Village idiocy at its very best..... of course Bryant conferred with Roger Rogerson before the massacre... and Rogerson was in on the whole plot..... Neddy Smith supplied the guns ........  FFS .... John Howard supplied the manpower - one was a Frenchman, the other a Yank, both trained in 'black ops'... contracted to the CIA over the years they were.... the Frog was in on the JFK hit, too .....

Christ some of you are gullible...

Martin Bryant

'...One minute I'm eating my Trevally and peas.

The next minute the room's full of dead people.'

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 11:45pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 7:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 4:33pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 4:30pm: What was the Coroner’s verdict? What are you talking about? I’m talking about the verdict by the Coroner who presided at the inquest into the 35 deaths. And - what did he say?

Nothing, there was no inquest; which is a bit surprising.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 7:27am:

Martin Bryant '...One minute I'm eating my Trevally and peas. The next minute the room's full of dead people.'

That is an interesting thing to say when you are having a meal. He was in a room full of dead people. And it shocked Bryant so little that he could finish his meal, and walk out of the cafe and get arrested by police at the site of a burning guest house. Then Martin could laugh during an interview and smile most of the way through it.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 2:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 7:27am: Martin Bryant '...One minute I'm eating my Trevally and peas. The next minute the room's full of dead people.' That is an interesting thing to say when you are having a meal. He was in a room full of dead people. And it shocked Bryant so little that he could finish his meal, and walk out of the cafe and get arrested by police at the site of a burning guest house. Then Martin could laugh during an interview and smile most of the way through it.

No - Martin Bryant is a halfwit -
he couldn't say what happened with precise grammar and tense.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:00pm:

No - Martin Bryant is a halfwit - he couldn't say what happened with precise grammar and tense.

Martin Bryant could string a competent sentence together in a police interview. Have you watched that "Sunday Night" video of Martin Bryant's interview with police?

Bryant would probably have known of Chopper's reputation for a number of years. But Bryant would likely have said what Chopper did not want to hear. It is just disheartening that Chopper would laugh about it on camera.

Given Bryant's admission to police on camera that he was responsible for the Port Arthur massacre, Bryant was competent enough to know what he was doing. He was doing a suicide by proxy mass murder. He wanted police to kill him. He probably wanted Chopper to kill him. Bryant has attempted numerous suicide attempts in prison. He does not like himself. And he wants to die. If only prison authorities would take their time getting to him.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 4:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 4:05pm: Greggy, I'm not playing your silly games of riddles. The port Arthur massacre left many unanswered questions: https://web.archive.org/web/20040203072156/www.shootersnews.addr.com/snportarthur.html No.  There are no unanswered questions. What do conspiracy theorists and Excel have in common? They spreadsheet.

Like your beloved American Media has for nearly a century before the Internet came along like Israel to the Moslem middle-east. ;)

Martin Bryant Massacre, Azaria Chamberlain & the Dingo.
Australians are known as the biggest bullshyte artists in the world.
From Drop-Bears, to Mud-Sharks, to Crocodile Dundees and more.
Every Aussie is a larrikan in the Pub telling the biggest lies they can go for. You see them lay it on via the Footy Shows. You see them tell Porkies from the Police of the Luna Park Fire to Parliament House Showbiz.

One thing for sure. Martin Bryant was just trying to live up to the Media's Racism that all 'Blonde-White-Males' are Evil.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 6:12pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 12:01pm: I listened to that 60 Minutes segment about Bryant's mother. It seems that Bryant did confess. He pleaded not guilty at trial. But, he was persuaded to change his plea, to avoid a costly trial. He confessed to the police when he thought the camera was off. Watch the video and see for yourself: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1271617/Martin-Bryant-admits-guilt-not-knowing-camera-recording.html

I posted up a link to that "Sunday Night" program where the police interview of Martin Bryant was shown in snippets. Even without the context of the whole interview, Martin Bryant comes off as unremorseful and oblivious to the impact of what he committed. I could imagine Bryant just having a blank facial expression (perhaps with some determination of what he was doing) as he shot the people in the cafe.

Jasin wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

One thing for sure. Martin Bryant was just trying to live up to the Media's Racism that all 'Blonde-White-Males' are Evil.

One thing is for sure: In the last 28 years, you have not bothered to do a generalised research on Martin Bryant's act and his psychological profile, despite the plethora of information on Bryant.

Bryant was trying to commit suicide by authority. He wanted to be remembered. And he was too much of a psychopath to care about being remembered for doing something positive. He was going to go out in a blaze of glory for doing something, that many people would consider, insane.

The book I am reading: "Born or Bred? -- Martin Bryant: the making of a mass murderer" by Robert Wainwright & Paola Totaro. I have gotten two chapters into the book. I already have a good understanding of what went on. Please find a copy, even if it is online pdf and have a read.

There was no "trying to live up to" some media stereotype. Martin knew he was not liked. He just wanted to end it all. The thing is, he should have instead just gone into the garage and shot his brains out with that phukking AR-15.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 11:42am: One thing for sure. Martin Bryant was just trying to live up to the Media's Racism that all 'Blonde-White-Males' are Evil. One thing is for sure: In the last 28 years, you have not bothered to do a generalised research on Martin Bryant's act and his psychological profile, despite the plethora of information on Bryant. Bryant was trying to commit suicide by authority. He wanted to be remembered. And he was too much of a psychopath to care about being remembered for doing something positive. He was going to go out in a blaze of glory for doing something, that many people would consider, insane. The book I am reading: "Born or Bred? -- Martin Bryant: the making of a mass murderer" by Robert Wainwright & Paola Totaro. I have gotten two chapters into the book. I already have a good understanding of what went on. Please find a copy, even if it is online pdf and have a read. There was no "trying to live up to" some media stereotype. Martin knew he was not liked. He just wanted to end it all. The thing is, he should have instead just gone into the garage and shot his brains out with that phukking AR-15.

Be fascinating to see their sources for all this.......

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 6:12pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 12:01pm: I listened to that 60 Minutes segment about Bryant's mother. It seems that Bryant did confess. He pleaded not guilty at trial. But, he was persuaded to change his plea, to avoid a costly trial. He confessed to the police when he thought the camera was off. Watch the video and see for yourself: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1271617/Martin-Bryant-admits-guilt-not-knowing-camera-recording.html I posted up a link to that "Sunday Night" program where the police interview of Martin Bryant was shown in snippets. Even without the context of the whole interview, Martin Bryant comes off as unremorseful and oblivious to the impact of what he committed. I could imagine Bryant just having a blank facial expression (perhaps with some determination of what he was doing) as he shot the people in the cafe.

A guy with a near moron IQ?  Are you kidding?

"In an examination after the massacre, forensic psychologist Ian Joblin found Bryant to be borderline mentally disabled with an I.Q. of 66, equivalent to an 11-year-old."

I'm surprised he could handle any firearm... maintain it so it didn't jam etc... these are not simple weapons to handle and maintain and clean.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 2:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 7:27am: Martin Bryant '...One minute I'm eating my Trevally and peas. The next minute the room's full of dead people.' That is an interesting thing to say when you are having a meal. He was in a room full of dead people. And it shocked Bryant so little that he could finish his meal, and walk out of the cafe and get arrested by police at the site of a burning guest house. Then Martin could laugh during an interview and smile most of the way through it.

so he's supposed to have killed the guest house owners and then returned there and set it alight?

IQ 66 .... hmmm ... he'd hardly know WTF they were talking about in an interview.

Hmm - a review says the book is poorly written and tendentious and lacking in real detail and verity... so to speak...

Yeah well... hey - I've got a book in GoodReads!!  It's one of a series - the one I hate but they all love!!

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

Be fascinating to see their sources for all this.......

I just checked the book. No sources.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 9:15pm:

A guy with a near moron IQ?  Are you kidding? "In an examination after the massacre, forensic psychologist Ian Joblin found Bryant to be borderline mentally disabled with an I.Q. of 66, equivalent to an 11-year-old." I'm surprised he could handle any firearm... maintain it so it didn't jam etc... these are not simple weapons to handle and maintain and clean.

If you have handled weapons for a while, there is no reason why your IQ needs to be average or better to be able to maintain and use. Even a simpleton can load and fire an AR-15.

I have fired pistols at age 8. I fired a .303 at age 17. I have fired automatic weapons before I turned 30. I am no idiot. But, if Martin Bryant can load, fire and maintain weapons, he would have learned how to do this over time.

For someone with nothing better to do, Bryant would have had ample time to learn how to shoot. Even if it took him 3 or 4 times longer to learn how to use a semi automatic than any other adult, Bryant would have learned how.

Geez, Grappler... you make it sound like Bryant was not involved in the massacre.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

so he's supposed to have killed the guest house owners and then returned there and set it alight? IQ 66 .... hmmm ... he'd hardly know WTF they were talking about in an interview.

Have a read of the link I will provide, after this quote:


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Mr Bryant was an oversensitive individual who attributed aggression and malevolence to many of those around him. This in my opinion is not as a result of persecutory delusions or of morbid experiences, but a product of the very real rejection and distain which Mr Bryant has experienced through much of his life, largely as a result of his intellectual limitation and his peculiarities of personality. Mr Bryant is a selfabsorbed individual, with a markedly egocentric view of the world. He has high expectations of others and a sense of entitlement which are both constantly being disappointed. The disappointment of his hopes is usually explained by Mr Bryant in terms of the insensitivity and illwill of others. In my opinion though Mr Bryant was clearly a distressed and disturbed young man he was not mentally ill. There is no evidence to support the notion that this man has a schizophrenic illness. The use of this diagnostic term in association with Mr Bryant by Dr Mather and Dr McCartney was based on the report of Mrs Bryant who had clearly misunderstood the opinion of Dr Cunningham-Dax. She had come to the conclusion that her son had been diagnosed with this condition. Neither Dr Sale, Dr Lucas nor myself found evidence in Mr Bryant of his ever having had schizophrenia. Similarly, in my opinion, he does not have evidence for a major depressive disorder. There was nother in his history to suggest that he has ever been manic. Dr Sale, in his report of the 6 August 1996, indicates that in his opinion Mr Bryant manifested severe developmental problems during childhood and that he could be regarded as having shown a mixture of conduct disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity and a rare condition known as Asperger's Syndrome. I am in agreement with Dr Sale that the records indicate that Mr Bryant was grossly disturbed from early childhood. He can certainly be fitted within the criteria for conduct disorder, but all this amounts to in the diagnostic manual is a list of a range of aggressive destructive and deceitful behaviors during childhood and as such does not advance understanding to any degree. Asperger's Syndrome is a condition which could explain some of the abnormalities in Mr Bryant and in noting this possibility Dr Sale raises a potentially important question. The section from the text on Forensic Psychiatry convering Asperger's Syndrome appended to his report by Dr Sale though providing a good account of the forensic implications does not adequately describe the critical clinical features (as one of the authors of the chapter I can perhaps be allowed this criticism). Mr Bryant craves the attention of others. He desires relationships but fails to effectively communicate with others unlike the patients with Asperger's who are blandly indifferent to others. Mr Bryant also lacks, in my opinion, the central features of this condition which are repetitive activities, unusual skills with all absorbing obsessive interests and problems with motor coordination. He also showed marked delay in the acquisition of language skills and required remedial therapy for this language deficit which is contrary to the picture found in those with Asperger's Syndrome.

Source: https://cray.apana.org.au/cas/articles/bryant.html#:~:text=In%20February%201984%20Mr%20Bryant,intellectually%20handicapped%20and%20personality%20disordered.

There is nothing to suggest the incapability of carrying out a mass shooting. If Bryant had the intelligence to socialise normally, he would not have the motivation to conduct such a shooting in revenge and the attempt of suicide by proxy.

There seems to be an implication that the witnesses to the massacre are all a bunch of liars. I recall the conspiracy that went about 20 years ago was that some SAS soldier donned a blond wig and went to shoot up the place and made Bryant a scapegoat. I happen to have met probably less than 10 SAS soldiers in my adulthood. Even though their demeanour is battle hardened soldiers and a tough guy outlook, they are not psychotic or even willing to shoot a bunch of Australian civilians. I doubt that the soldiers I have met are people that know anyone in the army psychotic enough to conduct an insane mass shooting against Australian civilians.

Have you ever seen someone get shot, Grappler? I have seen incidents happen, even in town here, that would have you suffer a stroke from the horror of it all. The shooters I have seen have always shown remorse for their actions. Martin Bryant did not show any for his.