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General Discussion >> Federal Politics >> Australia is drowning in public servants: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1716542524 Message started by Bobby. on May 24th, 2024 at 7:22pm |
Title: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 24th, 2024 at 7:22pm
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/11/november-11-2021-the-day-the-great-war-against-the-private-sector-was-won/
12 November 2021 November 11, 2021: the day the great war against the private sector was won Stephen Spartacus Without the slightest hint of irony, the Australian Bureau of Statistics yesterday released the latest Employment and Earnings, Public Sector data for Australia. On the eleventh day of the eleventh month, Australians learned about how many people work for our bureaucratic leviathan. The data showed the war was over. The Australian private sector has clearly been defeated. The war is over and government has, as in the old joke about auditors, come in and bayoneted the wounded. For all the economic damage of Covid, it is party, party, party in the public, public sector. To paraphrase the words of Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Stalin to his friends), a single private sector destroyed job is a tragedy; a million destroyed jobs is a statistic. So, let’s go to the statistics. In the 12 months to end June 2021, the number of public sector employees across the three levels of Australian (Commonwealth, State and Local) government increased by 3% to 2.1 million. Yes. In a country where the working age population is 12.5 million, 2.1 million people work for the government. One in six people. Let’s put that in context: It’s four times the population of Tasmania. Nine times the population of the Northern Territory. Five times the population of the ACT. One and a half times the population of Adelaide. More than the population of Perth. But as bad as this sounds, it’s really worse. Much, much worse. These numbers don’t include overseas posted diplomats or those in the military. It does not include “off-balance sheet” employees such as those working for government business enterprises such as the NBN, Australia Post or the Clean Energy Finance Corporation or various state government (still) owned energy companies. Excluded also are ABC and SBS staff and those whose jobs only exist because of government such as lobbyists and the compliance industrial complex. For the cherry top, it does not include those in the multi-billion-dollar consulting industry that feeds off the taxpayers. That includes you, KPMG. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 24th, 2024 at 7:22pm
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There is of course no aggregate data on such “jobs” people, but Australians should not be surprised if one in three or four adult Australians work for or because of Government. Give the collective near two trillion dollars of combined Commonwealth and State government debt, it is clear that our governments have outgrown the private sector and have decided to confiscate from the future, from our children, grandchildren and beyond. A whole new meaning to intergenerational equity. Yet notwithstanding the expanding rings of government-related employment, the collective cash wages and salaries increased for these 2.1 million public servants by 5% to $183 billion. Billion with a B. And notably also, these numbers don’t include post 1 July 2021 pay rises or new roles created. Nor does this include all the additional on-costs associated such as rent, insurance, Cartier watches or chartered planes to Glasgow or Paris. But Victorians should fret not. Its public sector had a great pandemic. Victorian public sector total wages and salaries increased by 9% reflecting both increased costs and an extra 19,000 public servants. This compared very well with a national (State and Territory) wages and salaries increase of 5%. Did the Victorian economy grow by 9%? No. Did the Victorian population grow by 9%? No. But the cost of the Victorian public sector grew that much. So many achievements for the Andrews government to be proud of in addition to the world’s longest citizen lockdown (or was that lock up?). In another positive sign for the prospects for Australia’s private sector, it is reported that business, accounting and finance graduates are flooding to work for the public sector. Sort of ironic that there are fewer business or finance jobs in business or finance any more. Australians are like slow boiling frogs. We are on the road to Venezuela without noticing. Or is that Venez-stralia. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 24th, 2024 at 7:34pm
wow - no wonder taxes are so high and that we're in so much debt.
Not enough people are actually working to make money - too many are only costing money. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by chimera on May 24th, 2024 at 7:34pm
So 1 servant for each 6 people then? I'd like to know the name of mine and thank her.
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Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 24th, 2024 at 7:37pm chimera wrote on May 24th, 2024 at 7:34pm:
yes - 1 in 6 people but then add on 1 to 2 million on the dole or DSP and it's only 2 in 3 people are working in an actual job making money. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by chimera on May 24th, 2024 at 7:48pm
That leaves 15 million who could be on OzPol but aren't.
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Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 24th, 2024 at 8:01pm chimera wrote on May 24th, 2024 at 7:48pm:
yes - it means that Ozpol should have far more members - they are all on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and YouTube. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by John Smith on May 24th, 2024 at 8:16pm
Still not enough. We still need more nurses, police and teachers.
Pity Goober is sooooo stupid. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Agnes.. on May 24th, 2024 at 8:25pm
Ok then WHO is GOOBER- I thought that was you smiffy- you are talking about Pecca aren't you?
I don't think Pecca is stupid either. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 24th, 2024 at 8:27pm
https://ministers.pmc.gov.au/gallagher/2024/rebuilding-and-rebalancing-public-service-critical-australias-future
Labor defends their massive public service: Rebuilding and rebalancing public service critical for Australia's future Release Date: Monday 6 May 2024 Opinion Canberra Times Senator the Hon Katy Gallagher is the Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Minister for the Public Service Investments have been made in the Australian Public Service in the past two years. More staff have been employed, service standards are improving, and the reliance on external labour is decreasing - delivering much needed savings across the budget. We have employed more permanent public servants to rebuild and improve the APS at the same time as reducing the APS's reliance on costly external labour like consultants, contractors or labour hire workers. Next week's Budget will include a further saving of $1 billion from the reduction of the public service's spending on consultants and contractors. Together with the $3 billion in savings delivered in the 2022-23 October Budget, that brings the total savings on contractors and consultants to $4 billion. And with our reforms, government spending this financial year on Australia's biggest consultancies is $624 million less than the comparable period under the last year of the Morrison government. When the Albanese government came to office in May 2022, we inherited a public service that had been hollowed out after a decade of outsourcing, underinvestment and undervaluing of the work that public servants do and the services they deliver. The APS of 2022 was short of staff and over reliant on external labour. Service standards were in decline and there had been serious failures in public administration like Robodebt. In one case, consultants sat on the management committee of a government department. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 24th, 2024 at 9:03pm
https://the-riotact.com/taylor-dutton-in-step-over-aps-numbers-but-not-migration/772669
24 May 2024 Dutton, “The important point here is this – we do not think that now is the time to add 36,000 Commonwealth public servants… “Ultimately, it is households and businesses that pay the taxes that pay for those public servants.” In his budget reply speech to parliament last week, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton attacked the government’s spending on public servants, saying it provided for 36,000 new public sector jobs over the forward estimates. Mr Dutton wants defence spending to be the priority. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 24th, 2024 at 9:24pm
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-22/angus-taylor-shadow-treasurer-budget-reply-live-blog-2024/103877596
Wed 22 May 2024 Would the Coalition reintroduce the APS staffing cap? Wed, 1:26pm By Andrew Thorpe The Canberra Times' Dana Daniel is up next, with a question near and dear to her readers' hearts — the size of the public service, and whether the Coalition would reintroduce the APS staffing cap. The Canberra Times' Dana Daniel.(ABC News) She also asks whether the opposition wants to decentralise the public service by moving agencies out of Canberra, à la the APVMA. Angus Taylor MP Liberal Party Quote:
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Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Laugh till you cry on May 25th, 2024 at 12:10am
They are from the government and have come to help you, Bobby.
The black ones too. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by John Smith on May 25th, 2024 at 8:34am Agnes.. wrote on May 24th, 2024 at 8:25pm:
We both know you don't think. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by philperth2010 on May 25th, 2024 at 9:07am Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2024 at 7:22pm:
The Coalition were in power from 2013 to 2022....Why are you blaming Labor for the increased public service when it occured during the Coalition term Bobby??? :-? :-? :-? Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. Aldous Huxley (1894 - 1963), "Proper Studies", 1927 |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 25th, 2024 at 9:10am
They're all responsible....
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Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 25th, 2024 at 9:18am philperth2010 wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:07am:
Yes it happened under our Uniparty State. One Party with 2 branches: Labor and Liberal. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by philperth2010 on May 25th, 2024 at 9:20am Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:18am:
Nice try at deflection from your obvious bullshit....You were blaming Labor until your error was pointed out....Now you change you tune like a true bullshit artist....Just admit you were wrong as usual Bobby??? ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 25th, 2024 at 9:35am philperth2010 wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:20am:
No but Dutton has promised to put a lid on it. |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by John Smith on May 25th, 2024 at 9:58am Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:35am:
Lurch also once promised to smile more .... |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 25th, 2024 at 10:14am John Smith wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Why do you speak in riddles? Who the hell is Lurch? |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Jovial Monk on May 25th, 2024 at 11:55am
LOL! Goober can’t tell Lurch from Addams.
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Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by John Smith on May 25th, 2024 at 2:39pm Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 10:14am:
Were you raised in a tent? https://youtu.be/sPMKlEwrIs8?t=2 |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by John Smith on May 25th, 2024 at 2:41pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 11:55am:
Go easy on him. He hasn't got a hope in hell of recognising that joke |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 25th, 2024 at 4:07pm
I never watched the Addams Family - not one episode - ever.
forgiven namaste |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by John Smith on May 25th, 2024 at 4:17pm Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 4:07pm:
More proof of your idiocy |
Title: Re: Australia is drowning in public servants: Post by Bobby. on May 25th, 2024 at 4:20pm John Smith wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 4:17pm:
I saw enough creatures watching Lost in Space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mF6dCD8n2E |
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