Victorian  & no doubt other states householders with solar putting energy back into the grid are now to be charged to do so.

Thus turning the residential rooftop solar energy policy introduced and pushed by govts about 15 years ago into a white elephant on their homes.

So instead of getting a return on your investment you are going to be charged to have it. >:(

That is unless you go off grid and get expensive battery backup for night use........

as long as the battery doesn't explode and burn your house down & gas you with toxic fumes.

That also costing $thousands more per household to put into the pockets of energy companies & companies pushing the renewable products.

So much for the renewables projects being pushed by the idiot Albanese Govt ... here we have people supplying renewable energy into the grid and it's now going to cost them to help reach Net Zero emissions.

It's an absolute scandal. As bad as water authorities charging farmers for water that falls from the sky that they collect in dams on their properties that they paid to have installed.


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Power companies will soon be able to charge Australians with rooftop solar panels for exporting electricity to the grid, under new rules introduced by the Australian Energy Market Commission (AEMC).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-12/power-companies-to-charge-solar-owners-for-exporting-to-grid/100368588

They already charge a fixed fee for “grid development and maintenance.”

As a primary provider of power - I expect instead the full payment per Kw...

Dare one ask why and how any government in their right mind would even allow such an idea the light of day?

Now, poppets - you understand why I call Cambra ACT The Gaga Strip.... they are beyond mad ........and you know what's worst?  They simply don't care............. true psychopaths ... how many years have I been telling yez all they are all insane?  As for their view of the peasants:-

https://media1.tenor.com/m/DdU_I7t2ze8AAAAC/when-you%27re-slapped-you%27ll-take-it-and-like-it-humphrey-bogart.gif

Already covered here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1715915340/6#6

At the moment - Victoria is just the most insane... Ward C and leading the pack ..... Queensland a close second, WA behind in third place, SA starting to wind up a little...Terror Tree falling way behind the field ... Tas Mania living up to its name.... and NSW pacing itself until the final run-up to the election following Mount Warning then it will let loose alongside Land Rights and If Re-elected .......

People - you have GOT to get off this island ......  The East Islands are rising in unemployment again and the Kiwis will be upon us in floods again... so much for paradise in the South Seas and Maori liberation and land and all other rights, eh?  Love it or leave it they said - our way or the highway, they said - they're leaving on the highway... the Maori can go back to fishing and hunting....

Stop the Madness NOW!!

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Next con job is a Victorian incentive to rid the gas ducted heating to get reverse cycle air conditioners for free and only pay for instalments.
I had a quote, 5 air cons and only pay $4,750 for installation and the gas ducted heating motherboard removed/destroyed.

I’m not falling for it.

https://i.postimg.cc/pLhLDWZZ/Screenshot-2024-05-19-072147.png

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

As a primary provider of power - I expect instead the full payment per Kw... Dare one ask why and how any government in their right mind would even allow such an idea the light of day?

You may ask, but you won't like the answer:

The government - like you - thinks the profit-seeking private sector can effect a timely transition to the green economy.

The private sector including energy producers, whole-salers and retailers cannot, because they have to make a "return on investment", as Dutton is 'reminding' everyone today.   

lee wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 12:38pm:

https://i.postimg.cc/pLhLDWZZ/Screenshot-2024-05-19-072147.png

The outcome of your 'small government' ideology.

Deplorable.

Sophia wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 11:01am:

Next con job is a Victorian incentive to rid the gas ducted heating to get reverse cycle air conditioners for free and only pay for instalments. I had a quote, 5 air cons and only pay $4,750 for installation and the gas ducted heating motherboard removed/destroyed. I’m not falling for it.

Jeez - even the Eld Gel here blew up over this one and said - we'll get a loan and put in batteries and cut the wires then.  Next move will be that all stand-alone systems must pay a fee for not belonging to the grid - down the Bega Valley the septic was installed and was cleared  for five years operation - the council decided they wanted to put in sewerage (but not to us) after two years - so they sent some five year old kid around in a company car to check on septics and then sent us a bill.

I said:- 'tell 'em they're dreamin'!" ... the Eld Gel - majority houseowner - sucked it all up and whimpered - "Don't get into trouble arguing with them..."..... then later in discussion with a business starter-up in town, he said that council had demanded many thousands from HIM for upgrades to the toilet or something ... he said - "No way - I'm renting the premises!". 

They eventually whimpered down and said - "Oh - it was always and only optional...... "

Later on The Guv started raving about charging for water held in our own dams built at our cost.... and they still have that one in reserve for farmers..... pricing water in the Murray Darling system and having farmers watch it flow past to waste into swamp so the macadamia farm with the big dollars can use some of it .... tell 'em they're dreamin'!

You must NEVER let City Hall in this country get any advantage over you - they will literally rob you blind.  We are heavily engaged (at our age) in conflict with the bank over their taking money to which they have no right or entitlement from accounts.... going on since start of January and is now in the hands of the Guv, and I am going to ACA.  One of their dorks even said to us that our mortgage contract enabled them to take money - say what?  Take money you are not owed?  The old standover bluff.  Over your dead bank.

Watch your bank accounts carefully for any missing funds... SOMEONE in the bank has their hand in the till - either the bank itself or the management or some worker.  I advise everyone to check back on their bank accounts to holiday time around NYE - and SEE if there are any funny disappearances of money not accounted for.

Somebody tell me this country has not gone to rack and ruin......

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 1:41pm:

Sophia wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 11:01am: Next con job is a Victorian incentive to rid the gas ducted heating to get reverse cycle air conditioners for free and only pay for instalments. I had a quote, 5 air cons and only pay $4,750 for installation and the gas ducted heating motherboard removed/destroyed. I’m not falling for it. Jeez - even the Eld Gel here blew up over this one and said - we'll get a loan and put in batteries and cut the wires then.  Next move will be that all stand-alone systems must pay a fee for not belonging to the grid - down the Bega Valley the septic was installed and was cleared  for five years operation - the council decided they wanted to put in sewerage (but not to us) after two years - so they sent some five year old kid around in a company car to check on septics and then sent us a bill. I said:- 'tell 'em they're dreamin'!" ... the Eld Gel - majority houseowner - sucked it all up and whimpered - "Don't get into trouble arguing with them..."..... then later in discussion with a business starter-up in town, he said that council had demanded many thousands from HIM for upgrades to the toilet or something ... he said - "No way - I'm renting the premises!".  They eventually whimpered down and said - "Oh - it was always and only optional...... " Later on The Guv started raving about charging for water held in our own dams built at our cost.... and they still have that one in reserve for farmers..... pricing water in the Murray Darling system and having farmers watch it flow past to waste into swamp so the macadamia farm with the big dollars can use some of it .... tell 'em they're dreamin'! You must NEVER let City Hall in this country get any advantage over you - they will literally rob you blind.  We are heavily engaged (at our age) in conflict with the bank over their taking money to which they have no right or entitlement from accounts.... going on since start of January and is now in the hands of the Guv, and I am going to ACA.  One of their dorks even said to us that our mortgage contract enabled them to take money - say what?  Take money you are not owed?  The old standover bluff.  Over your dead bank. Watch your bank accounts carefully for any missing funds... SOMEONE in the bank has their hand in the till - either the bank itself or the management or some worker.  I advise everyone to check back on their bank accounts to holiday time around NYE - and SEE if there are any funny disappearances of money not accounted for. Somebody tell me this country has not gone to rack and ruin......

It's all the government's fault...trouble is, you support 'user pays', because you don't want to pay taxes.

Never ever supported 'user pays'.  Get your hand off it ...

Until they stop political donations,  this is the sort of stupidity we can expect from governments. 

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 8:44pm:

Until they stop political donations,  this is the sort of stupidity we can expect from governments.

This is happening under state and federal Labor governments.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 10:25pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 8:44pm: Until they stop political donations,  this is the sort of stupidity we can expect from governments.  This is happening under state and federal Labor governments.

All parties are at the beck and call of their donors. 

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 8:23pm:

Never ever supported 'user pays'.  Get your hand off it ...

OK, so poor outcomes for people are the gummits'  fault, but you don't want to fund jobs for all? 

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 8:23pm: Never ever supported 'user pays'.  Get your hand off it ... OK, so poor outcomes for people are the gummits'  fault, but you don't want to fund jobs for all?

Get both hands off it.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 3:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 1:21pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 8:23pm: Never ever supported 'user pays'.  Get your hand off it ... OK, so poor outcomes for people are the gummits'  fault, but you don't want to fund jobs for all?  Get both hands off it.

Whereas you are already blind; govt. must  ensure  jobs for all...oh never mind.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 5:33pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 3:50pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 1:21pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 8:23pm: Never ever supported 'user pays'.  Get your hand off it ... OK, so poor outcomes for people are the gummits'  fault, but you don't want to fund jobs for all?  Get both hands off it. Whereas you are already blind; govt. must  ensure  jobs for all...oh never mind.

Well then - get all three hands off it...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 7:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 5:33pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 3:50pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 1:21pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 8:23pm: Never ever supported 'user pays'.  Get your hand off it ... OK, so poor outcomes for people are the gummits'  fault, but you don't want to fund jobs for all?  Get both hands off it. Whereas you are already blind; govt. must  ensure  jobs for all...oh never mind. Well then - get all three hands off it...

I haven't got thre.....o never mind.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 12:37pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 7:50pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 5:33pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 3:50pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 1:21pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 8:23pm: Never ever supported 'user pays'.  Get your hand off it ... OK, so poor outcomes for people are the gummits'  fault, but you don't want to fund jobs for all?  Get both hands off it. Whereas you are already blind; govt. must  ensure  jobs for all...oh never mind. Well then - get all three hands off it... I haven't got thre.....o never mind.

FOUR!  I'm shocked!! Are you certain, monsieur, that there is not someone hiding behind you? 

Now give me five... I said five... not twenty..... right - how many toes am I holding up .....

My supplier tells me the rise in solar has led to an increase in the supply of daylight electricity. Costs are dropping.  Oz has too much electricity, daylight saving destroys coal, inflation burns out light-bulbs and no-one has any money.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 12:20pm:

They already charge a fixed fee for “grid development and maintenance.”

That's not like charging you for every KW hr you put back into the grid.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 12:37pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 7:50pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 5:33pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 3:50pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 1:21pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 19th, 2024 at 8:23pm: Never ever supported 'user pays'.  Get your hand off it ... OK, so poor outcomes for people are the gummits'  fault, but you don't want to fund jobs for all?  Get both hands off it. Whereas you are already blind; govt. must  ensure  jobs for all...oh never mind. Well then - get all three hands off it... I haven't got thre.....o never mind.

Yeah you do ... you couldn't get that silly with only two.

Gnads wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 10:27am:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 18th, 2024 at 12:20pm: They already charge a fixed fee for “grid development and maintenance.” That's not like charging you for every KW hr you put back into the grid.

Not meaning that! What have they been doing with the delivery charge? NOT getting the grid ready, that is for sure.

Rooftop solar power is becoming a fool's paradise. There is no bigger fool than GTTF.

The fools like GTTF don't understand:

1. You can not be independent of mains power while you have street lighting from the power company.

2. Rooftop solar will become so prevalent that there will be an excess supply, and in such circumstances, the rate for infeed will be $0.00

3. Daytime clouds or prolonged cloudy periods will cause a drop in the amount of solar power generated.

4. Batteries would have to be quite large to guarantee power availability during prolonged bad weather.

5. Batteries have a finite lifetime and disposal costs will increase with growing numbers of battery systems.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 12:16pm:

Rooftop solar power is becoming a fool's paradise.

 

Hands up all those who wouldn't install rooftop solar and a battery, if the government paid for it? (See the conclusionof this post).


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1. You can not be independent of mains power while you have street lighting from the power company.

Ah -  so you are talking about going off-grid, most of us aren't.


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2. Rooftop solar will become so prevalent that there will be an excess supply, and in such circumstances, the rate for infeed will be $0.00

Ah - so you want to be paid for your excess electricity. Ok, better get the grid upgraded so it can cope with the excess at midday.


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3. Daytime clouds or prolonged cloudy periods will cause a drop in the amount of solar power generated.

No kidding, that's when your grid connection to large scale generation from the Pilbara, NT and Qld  is required, along with severql Snowy 2.0- scale schemes.   


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4. Batteries would have to be quite large to guarantee power availability during prolonged bad weather.

Domestic solar and batteries  will reduce elcectricity costs for homes considerably. No one is talking about going off grid in Oz's  cities.


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5. Batteries have a finite lifetime and disposal costs will increase with growing numbers of battery systems.

A recycling industry is required;   as for costs, the currency-issuing government  will need to issue debt free money in the Oz Treasury, to fund a timely transition to the zero economy.

Current obsolete government tax and borrow systems will not survive, because the IPCC is already calling on governments to do more, rather than slacking off on their Paris commitmnets, as a result of false government austerity/"balanced budget" ideologies.