how much of this thing is a big scam

its all a big scam

money for pen pushers and administrators and grifters

no different to the job network

Most of it. Very little makes it through in the form of useful services. Picture a council worker leaning on a shovel with a team of 10 bureaucrats in support.

JC Denton wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 10:58am:

how much of this thing is a big scam

The part that is run by the mussos - which is quite a big part apparently.  Not content with being caught out in the childcare rorts and scams, they turned their attention to the NDIS for easy pickings.

One musso syndicate skimmed NDIS funding from disabled users of the scheme via inflated invoices to the NDIS for rebates netting multi millions before they were caught. 

They were also accused of working with the families and support persons to exaggerate their disabilities to get extra funding.

It's all soooo easy - thanks Julia.   >:(

Aquarius wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 11:25am:

JC Denton wrote on Apr 5th, 2024 at 10:58am: how much of this thing is a big scam The part that is run by the mussos - which is quite a big part apparently.  Not content with being caught out in the childcare rorts and scams, they turned their attention to the NDIS for easy pickings. One musso syndicate skimmed NDIS funding from disabled users of the scheme via inflated invoices to the NDIS for rebates netting multi millions before they were caught.  They were also accused of working with the families and support persons to exaggerate their disabilities to get extra funding. It's all soooo easy - thanks Julia.   >:(

could you stop turning every thread into a conversation about muslims please i wanted to talk about something else

take your monomaniac obsession elsewhere, this is like peccary and trump

aquascoot wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

its all a big scam money for pen pushers and administrators and grifters no different to the job network

yes the job active network is very bad

a large chunk of australia's economy is middle man rorts in some form or another

whenever governments offer up a big honey pot of cash (in this case 10's of billions), players will play.

and when you are locking that money into supporting people who are often very intellectually disabled, how hard is it to say you are providing some level of service you arent

to say you are sending physios or speech therapists to spend time (all billed to the ndis) when you arent

who would know?

can you ask a severely disabled brain damaged paraplegic with a 2 million dollar package whether the physio came every day this week?

you cant

they wouldnt even know

so its just money for jam

and every time you call the client, you can bill their package for providing a service

its a bigger scam then third party  personal injury lawyers who at least can be held to account for their upselling and overcharging becasue the client has some understanding of whats going on

is it true there are plans on it where social workers will pretend to be your friend or travel with you overseas or some sh1t? seems insane

Too many issues to list really but here's just a small sample I was told the other day by a cleaner who does NDIS work. The elderly couples whom are not disabled ( in her opinion), treat it as free money for jam. One of the measuring tools for NDIS assistance is whether you require assistance. Every elderly couple claims one of them needs assistance because the other does something for them. She listed arthritic hands as an example. Does your partner turn on taps for you? that's assistance for personal grooming. Is it too painful in your mind to get out of a chair without your husband helping you? that's assistance. That demonstrates a qualification for paid assistance. Ironically, for all those single persons whom have just as much or more pain and suffering, but have to find a way and take more opioid pain medications and even crawl when they have to, whom are in pain every day but mange to survive without assistance, DON'T qualify. The further irony of course, is that in reality they are the ones who actually need assistance more than anyone whom has a partner already with them to help. That's exactly how she described it to me. Elderly couples taking the system for a ride.

JC Denton wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 11:28am:

Aquarius wrote on Apr 5th, 2024 at 11:25am: JC Denton wrote on Apr 5th, 2024 at 10:58am: how much of this thing is a big scam The part that is run by the mussos - which is quite a big part apparently.  Not content with being caught out in the childcare rorts and scams, they turned their attention to the NDIS for easy pickings. One musso syndicate skimmed NDIS funding from disabled users of the scheme via inflated invoices to the NDIS for rebates netting multi millions before they were caught.  They were also accused of working with the families and support persons to exaggerate their disabilities to get extra funding. It's all soooo easy - thanks Julia.   >:( could you stop turning every thread into a conversation about muslims please i wanted to talk about something else take your monomaniac obsession elsewhere, this is like peccary and trump

Well if muslim organised crime gangs weren't so involved in these scams, I wouldn't have to!  And then maybe the poor and vulnerable individuals who have to rely on this wretched scheme would get the care and services they so desperately need.

You can close your eyes and ears to this rorting but others are less inclined to. 

JC Denton wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

is it true there are plans on it where social workers will pretend to be your friend or travel with you overseas or some sh1t? seems insane

pretty much

i think even down to the ndis paying for sex workers for the disabled.

certainly if you are an NDIS worker, you can use ndis funds to go on a fishing charter or to a theme park or the movies and rakew the disabled person with you.

golf, going to the gym, to the beach

if you are a carer, the ndis pays for you and the client to do whatever the client wishes to use the funds for (to "be all that they can be")

and the funding is very generous

as an example several local riding schools have NDIS accreditation

they charge the clients package about 200 to 300 an hour to let clients come and pat a horse

this used to all be done for free under "riding for the disabled"

now it costs the taxpayer a motza and the people are greedy grifters, not truly compassionate volunteers

This s a touchy subject but over half of all NDIS spending is on children under 14. Another example related to me by multiple women (mothers at school), concerns effectively the unspoken and undetected low level Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy issue and government monies (NDIS and Centrelink). Each listed cases of mothers they believed deliberately fed their kids high sugar, junk food, soft drink, even coffee at 11pm etc (their examples and words) knowing psychologically it leads to attention for them and eventual ADHD diagnosis and government monies. It's a subject you cannot discuss in media or general public, but it is constantly mentioned to me by other mothers.

Todays NDIS story: Had my gutters cleaned by a couple: Husband on roof, wife acting ground staff. Wife used to work for NDIS at low management level. Now semi-retired, helps husband with gutter cleaning. Job before mine according to the wife was for a partially deaf woman.  Very wealthy according to them, on holidays at her beachfront holiday home. Got NDIS approval for partial deafness. Now I don't know how this works but she got NDIS to approve and pay for her gutter cleaning!! How is paying someone to clean your gutters any different for either disabled or non-disabled? I can understand severe disability requiring assistance to co-ordinate such, but to actually pay for gutter cleaning, for the wealthy, due to partial deafness! Hmmmm.

It's an attempt to ensure a form of national insurance for the genuinely disabled, who would otherwise not be able to afford treatments and care - and by providing in-home care, its aim is/was to not incur the costs of hospitalisations....

Well - it's interesting.... when I left hospie after cardio bypass - it was explained to me that keeping me per day in hospie was $2000 or so - but  hire car to take me to my doorstep was $200...

Heeeeey... Flanders.... what happened to all the billions from 'privatisation' scams that were supposed to pay for hospital and ambulance and fire upgrades and such?  Nothing but new ways to subject the peasants to neo-poverty and continue the 234 year old massive divides in this country between the fat arseholes and the others standing in line for the scaffold, applying for a place in Tent city while paying ever-increasing costs just to stay alive while the fat cats suck every cent out they can get?  Jeez - this could be Mainland China....

**pullls up rock beside fire for lunch break**

"You know - I've known a few Abos and anyone who wonders why so many of them are angry doesn't know what they had to put up with at the bottom of the scale when it comes to a fair go here.  The reality of how they were most often treated actually hit home when governments here decided that the best way to resolve 'relationship violence' was to launch a war...  say what? ... against a specified social group.

Now you are seeing the very results I predicted long ago.... when you attack a certain group in your own country, violate their genuine legal rights, and disempower them and rob them of often a lifetime of work to satisfy some whinger (kind of a Bruce Decision, you know - guilty because he's a bloke with piggy eyes and he doesn't have the world's fattest cheque book) - you create the environment I discussed for yez yesterday........ insult and abuse lead to insurrection and anger......... when you boot down a bloke's door because his lady friend has had one too many and goes the rat, and then, as so often happened, bash him up and fit him up ass bad cops so often did - you did not solve the problem any more than the big Abo in town punching down on the smaller guy - you just give the smaller guy more incentive and motivation to take revenge - remember the Dalai Lama I quote so often about violence?

Anyway - clearly a fake magistrate who helped create this situation via automatic 'conviction' and the very cops who did it, become the targets..... now that single lone bloke has not the wherewithal to take on City Hall with all its guns....... so who does he/she go after?

You know who..... so rather than controlling and reducing violence - the violent approach has created exactly what I told you a couple of years ago - the umpteenth time - all that has happened with this approach is that violence and anger have risen, and casualties are rising on all sides.... and the most vulnerable are.... the most at risk.

If you're wondering why cops wear cameras now - it's not to prevent people making false allegations against them...... hello???  You awake yet?

Now - dunk-heads - how do you go about repairing the clear harm in the past caused by this wrongful approach of trying to control violence by punching down (courtesy of Ross (Rooskin) Mayo the commo) on people you may possibly suspect on the basis of any complaint at all, and especially when they belong to a certain group ?????  Why do you now imagine that same group is taking EVERY possible opportunity to get back and punch down on the Rest of Australia - most of whom had nothing to do with it.... but just like those Jewish women forced to run into a ditch to be shot .... never having harmed a soul is meaningless when City Hall comes after you. 

Who ya gonna call to fix all this madness that has gone on for far too long?  Another pack of legislative donkeys who'll vote for more powerful storm troopers or another pack of lunatic 'feminists' baying at the doors for the blood of Piggy Eyes?

aquascoot wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

its all a big scam money for pen pushers and administrators and grifters no different to the job network

Perfect - just perfect!  You've got it!!

Cost per hour to 'provider' - $65-120+ - payment to worker - $28 .... balance $37-92+ for 'management' by someone working from home and copping all the cons, with virtually zero management or business skills far too often, and a constitutional inability to get off their own arse and actually fill in when work is required.

Such 'businesses' - unless they are politician's wives' businesses etc and are biggies like early childcare was when reaping millions for some UNNAMEDS - partner and self-made millionaire via inside trading - very often go bust because the 'managers' simply cannot manage.

The turnover is enormous... and you would think that an average of about $75-80 an hour to sit at home and Fat Control would be enough to keep Thomas on the boiler... but not this lot..... they go out backwards all the time and offend staff constantly ... no management skills, you see ....

Once again In Australia (Once Upon A Time In Australia?) - the totally wrong approach goes off the rails.....   ::)  8-)  :-?

ADDS:-  Oh - and now the putsch is on from Plug Ugly for  9% pay rise for 'early childcare educators' - there goes the childcare over-subsidies just pushed through... same deal, of course, most goes to the 'management' though I'd say their overheads in REAL childcare are higher than NDIS.

Mind you the costs of institutional care for disabled are high - remember that hospital and the hire car.  I had it lined up to go home on the bus and be picked up at the stop - we're Aussie blokes after all - they said NO WAY!!  You've just been cut wide open and it'll take months to heal !!!

I can see the potential for rorts though, when the 'boss of 'home care' cops a nice little earner for just adding a semi-deaf rich lady to the list....

It is often the "little things" that see governments thrown out of office.

Yet another example of the out-of-touch Canberra Bubble:

https://i.imgur.com/TOBw5TM.jpg

Shorten speechwriter on a two-year $620k contract

More than $620,000 of taxpayer dollars has been set side for a speechwriter to NDIS Minister Bill Shorten, after Services Australia was unable to find an existing worker to fill the role.

New NDIS laws needed to stop claims for bird seed, cuddle therapy: Shorten


New NDIS legislation must be introduced to ensure the scheme pays only for disability-related supports, Bill Shorten says, pointing to previous claims for washing machines, bird seed and even crystal therapy.


“The NDIS has to be reserved for disability-related supports,” Mr Shorten said. “Currently, NDIS dollars are going to crystal therapy, bariatric surgery, rent, washing machines, even birdseed and Wet’n’Wild tickets.

“We have organisations even promoting cuddle therapy to NDIS participants,” he said.




NOT satire.

JC Denton wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

is it true there are plans on it where social workers will pretend to be your friend or travel with you overseas or some sh1t? seems insane

All that. It even funds supported accommodation for retards, can you imagine? People who the leftards should have euthanized if they weren't so soft and weak.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 12:42pm:

as an example several local riding schools have NDIS accreditation they charge the clients package about 200 to 300 an hour to let clients come and pat a horse this used to all be done for free under "riding for the disabled" now it costs the taxpayer a motza and the people are greedy grifters, not truly compassionate volunteers

Aquascoot knows this because he is scamming the Australian taxpayer.

Aquascoot once admitted that his daughter was making money from renting out horses and not paying GST.

Aquascoot is running a criminal empire.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 5^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

JC Denton wrote on Apr 5th, 2024 at 11:51am: is it true there are plans on it where social workers will pretend to be your friend or travel with you overseas or some sh1t? seems insane pretty much i think even down to the ndis paying for sex workers for the disabled. certainly if you are an NDIS worker, you can use ndis funds to go on a fishing charter or to a theme park or the movies and rakew the disabled person with you. golf, going to the gym, to the beach if you are a carer, the ndis pays for you and the client to do whatever the client wishes to use the funds for (to "be all that they can be") and the funding is very generous

They even pay for their child care, can you imagine?

Back in the day they'd just whip out their uteruses. Now they allow these people to breed.

Ah, the Superior Man, he upon "the narrow road". You won't see him getting about with a gammy hand or club foot. He'd rather cut the damned thing off than be "differently abled".

Not so much a man as a God.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 5:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 5th, 2024 at 12:42pm: as an example several local riding schools have NDIS accreditation they charge the clients package about 200 to 300 an hour to let clients come and pat a horse this used to all be done for free under "riding for the disabled" now it costs the taxpayer a motza and the people are greedy grifters, not truly compassionate volunteers Aquascoot knows this because he is scamming the Australian taxpayer. Aquascoot once admitted that his daughter was making money from renting out horses and not paying GST. Aquascoot is running a criminal empire.

And that's okay. The Superior Man likes to cut a few corners. He's a little bit naughty.

Where would we be if Julius Caesar hadn't overruled the Senate and copped a few knife injuries?

True, he may well have lived and required in-home care, but he'd hardly need to rely upon the state, now would he?

He owned an entire empire.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 5:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 5th, 2024 at 12:42pm: as an example several local riding schools have NDIS accreditation they charge the clients package about 200 to 300 an hour to let clients come and pat a horse this used to all be done for free under "riding for the disabled" now it costs the taxpayer a motza and the people are greedy grifters, not truly compassionate volunteers Aquascoot knows this because he is scamming the Australian taxpayer. Aquascoot once admitted that his daughter was making money from renting out horses and not paying GST. Aquascoot is running a criminal empire.

you wont find that quote because its a lie  :)

aquascoot wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 5:44pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 5:18pm: aquascoot wrote on Apr 5th, 2024 at 12:42pm: as an example several local riding schools have NDIS accreditation they charge the clients package about 200 to 300 an hour to let clients come and pat a horse this used to all be done for free under "riding for the disabled" now it costs the taxpayer a motza and the people are greedy grifters, not truly compassionate volunteers Aquascoot knows this because he is scamming the Australian taxpayer. Aquascoot once admitted that his daughter was making money from renting out horses and not paying GST. Aquascoot is running a criminal empire. you wont find that quote because its a lie  :)

Aquascoot has destroyed the evidence.

Aquascoot is a professional liar with a certificate from the Mossad School of Deceit.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 5:44pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 5:18pm: aquascoot wrote on Apr 5th, 2024 at 12:42pm: as an example several local riding schools have NDIS accreditation they charge the clients package about 200 to 300 an hour to let clients come and pat a horse this used to all be done for free under "riding for the disabled" now it costs the taxpayer a motza and the people are greedy grifters, not truly compassionate volunteers Aquascoot knows this because he is scamming the Australian taxpayer. Aquascoot once admitted that his daughter was making money from renting out horses and not paying GST. Aquascoot is running a criminal empire. you wont find that quote because its a lie  :)

It's a post-truth world, dear. Laugh's lies are another man's facts. Who can tell?

Laugh says one thing, your daughter says another. Who can truly say?

I will say this: I see no reason why it would be Laugh.

Look, your daughter's clearly scamming someone.

You?

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 11:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 5:44pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 5:18pm: aquascoot wrote on Apr 5th, 2024 at 12:42pm: as an example several local riding schools have NDIS accreditation they charge the clients package about 200 to 300 an hour to let clients come and pat a horse this used to all be done for free under "riding for the disabled" now it costs the taxpayer a motza and the people are greedy grifters, not truly compassionate volunteers Aquascoot knows this because he is scamming the Australian taxpayer. Aquascoot once admitted that his daughter was making money from renting out horses and not paying GST. Aquascoot is running a criminal empire. you wont find that quote because its a lie  :) It's a post-truth world, dear. Laugh's lies are another man's facts. Who can tell? Laugh says one thing, your daughter says another. Who can truly say? I will say this: I see no reason why it would be Laugh. Look, your daughter's clearly scamming someone. You?

Aquascoot's daughter could be a figment ... or worse, a horse.