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Title: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on May 17th, 2023 at 8:57am
This is an absolute disaster.
Vote No! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMPou4TSDi8 |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on May 17th, 2023 at 11:55am
Every Labor state will be throwing billions in tax payer dollars into these treaties.
The Federal Govt. will then be using even more $ billions in tax payer dollars with Federally based treaties. This will see 3% of Australians receiving beyond the $36 billion allocated every year to Aboriginal centric issues & programs. It will make the Sit Down Money issue look absolutely pale(pun intended) in the shade. And the failings & corruption of previous Aboriginal bodies like ATSIC & certain Land Councils will have been an insignificance. And all the Aboriginal activists behind the Voice, the NIAA, Uluru Statement, your Tom Calma, Marcia Langton, Noel Pearson, Pat Dodson, Thomas Mayor, Megan Davis, Dean Parkin etc will be the Indigenous Elite of Australia running the show. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 17th, 2023 at 12:24pm Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 11:55am:
The poverty industry is already costing the states $billions. Quote:
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True, but it is hoped the cost of the current poverty industry will be reduced, as the Voice - so it is hoped - will close the gap. Quote:
Indeed - this is why understanding how to replace the poverty industry and its sit-down money, is absolutely vital. Quote:
Well , they should be a warning of the errors in following poverty industry policies. Quote:
Noel Pearson at least understands the need for a Job Guarantee for ALL Australians. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Brian Ross on May 17th, 2023 at 12:25pm
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Sky News and Peta Credlin. She saw the defeat of her boyfriend as Prime Minister and still speaks bullshit, hey, Matty, which is of course why you're a fan. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by UnSubRocky on May 17th, 2023 at 1:22pm
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on May 17th, 2023 at 1:34pm
"Whoever said that the Voice would usher in a new era of reconciliation, unity and love was either excessively optimistic or a complete fool. Everywhere I look, I see division and disunity and it is all generated by the Voice," writes Neil Brown.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/05/brown-study-271/ |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 17th, 2023 at 1:40pm Boris wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 1:34pm:
the debate about the voice is causing division....why is it so? And 'disunity', measured by incarceration rates, existed long before the voice debate. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on May 17th, 2023 at 7:19pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 12:24pm:
True, but it is hoped the cost of the current poverty industry will be reduced, as the Voice - so it is hoped - will close the gap. Quote:
Indeed - this is why understanding how to replace the poverty industry and its sit-down money, is absolutely vital. Quote:
Well , they should be a warning of the errors in following poverty industry policies. Quote:
Noel Pearson at least understands the need for a Job Guarantee for ALL Australians. [/quote] These $billions will be on top of those billions.... and nothing will change. the rest of your post is an irrelevance. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by The Grappler on May 17th, 2023 at 11:49pm
No Treaty To Be Passed Without A Plebiscite!!
You do not make treaties with anyone other than separate states........ they are either Australian citizens or they are not ...... there endeth the lesson. “In Australia, there is no hierarchy of descents. There must be no privilege of origin … the commitment to Australia is the one thing needful to be a true Australian.” - Bob Hawke. Presenting - The Aboriginewealth of Australia! When do the treason trials start? Meanwhile, reality slowly pulls its boots on.. https://twitter.com/VoicesForAU |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by The Grappler on May 18th, 2023 at 7:05am
From where did these states derive the right for their government to impose unequal treaties on their electorate? It certainly didn't come from the people..... it comes from the hubris of New Labor in its rise in Australia due to the ineptitude of their opposition - it won't take long for the people to work out they've bought a serious pig in a poke that will poke them in the eye in many costly ways.
On the horizon are assassinations, political upheaval (Poor Fellow - My Country lead by such idiots on both sides), open revolt, civil war, and extreme vigilante action...... What are the benefits to non-Indigenous Australians of any treaties? A treaty is not a one-way event, you know..... so what are the contents of these legislations that permit these governments to impose unequal treaties on the general populace without their say-so? No Treaties Without The Unequivocal and Fully Informed Consent Of The People! Put each one to a plebiscite or leave town. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by The Grappler on May 18th, 2023 at 8:49am
Hmmm - didn't someone says the government had no obligation to post a No case in a refero?
"What is the referendum pamphlet? The Referendum Machinery Act, governing how referendums are held, requires the Australian Electoral Commission to compile and deliver the paper document to all voters. It contains essays for and against the constitutional alteration, written by politicians who voted for or against the bill in parliament (more on that later)." |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on May 18th, 2023 at 10:29am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 8:49am:
Well I thought a govt had a moral obligation to fund both sides/cases in a referendum..... that's only fair. Why should the "yes" campaign proponents get tax payers money & the "no" campaign has to raise it's own funds? Surely it should be the same rules applying to each team in a debate? Because they should both be on a level playing field & the presentation of arguments for and against put to the public for them to weigh up & make a decision at the ballot box through the referendum. Much the same as political parties are financed by govt & donations to run their campaigns to get you to vote for them. For Albanese to say that funding the "No" campaign would be racist.....is 1. a complete lie further to the use of emotional blackmail & 2. and the lack details of who, what, where & why regarding the voice is deceptive & underhanded. You do not run a referendum on a Constitutional change costing over $200million dollars asking the people to vote it up without details that they say will tell you after the referendum if it gets up. That is ludicrous. Furthermore those monies are split with the AEC & NIAA (An Aboriginal specific body). Not all Aboriginals support the "Voice" propaganda. Quote:
The bias of funding one side of this debate for the proposed referendum is what is actually racist & tantamount to apartheid. Vote NO! |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 18th, 2023 at 12:20pm Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 7:19pm:
Indeed - this is why understanding how to replace the poverty industry and its sit-down money, is absolutely vital. Quote:
Well , they should be a warning of the errors in following poverty industry policies. Quote:
Noel Pearson at least understands the need for a Job Guarantee for ALL Australians. [/quote] These $billions will be on top of those billions.... and nothing will change.[/quote] But as I said, the proponents of the voice believe things WILL change. Quote:
That is just your blind ideology. I explained WHY the voice is misconceived, and what is required to bring about ACTUAL change. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on May 18th, 2023 at 2:49pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 12:20pm:
Well , they should be a warning of the errors in following poverty industry policies. Quote:
Noel Pearson at least understands the need for a Job Guarantee for ALL Australians. [/quote] These $billions will be on top of those billions.... and nothing will change.[/quote] But as I said, the proponents of the voice believe things WILL change. Quote:
That is just your blind ideology. I explained WHY the voice is misconceived, and what is required to bring about ACTUAL change. [/quote] Pot, kettle, black ::) TGD the only one with the blind ideology is you. It doesn't matter what the proponents of the "voice" believe..... unless they can actually prove it & put it to the people exactly how the whole body will operate, what powers it will have & the processes for election of members & or their removal demonstrated & in black & white(pun intended) .... then the referendum should not be going ahead. The whole concept of - say "yes" & we'll work it out later is a nonsense & not acceptable. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 18th, 2023 at 4:17pm Gnads wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 2:49pm:
Of course it does, that's why the voice referendum will be held; ie they believe it will assist in closing the gap. You can't think clearly? Quote:
Addressed above. Quote:
Maybe, but your refusal tp look at what WILL close the gap is egregious, the result of blind ideology. By definition, provision of an above-poverty job for all will close the gap....and neuter the cultural/'sovereignty' warriors at the same time. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on May 18th, 2023 at 6:53pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Maybe, but your refusal tp look at what WILL close the gap is egregious, the result of blind ideology. By definition, provision of an above-poverty job for all will close the gap....and neuter the cultural/'sovereignty' warriors at the same time. [/quote] Phuk off I'm thinking perfectly clearly on this issue. Repetitious ideology of "close the gap" proves your hypocrisy. All you've got is the CDEP & job guarantee for mowing your own yard & keeping it tidy bullshyte. The blind ideology is yours. And you know it. ::) |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 19th, 2023 at 1:04pm Gnads wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
Phuk off I'm thinking perfectly clearly on this issue.[/quote] Let's see what you got... Quote:
So far all you've got is denial that the gap exists..."deplorable", ideology-based nonsense. The gap is very real. Quote:
No..mowing other people's yards...spot the difference? Quote:
Your errors shown above, again. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on May 19th, 2023 at 2:36pm
Culture?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d_glfNlmtQ&t=10s |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Brian Ross on May 19th, 2023 at 2:38pm
A repeat of Matty's views... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on May 19th, 2023 at 6:27pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 19th, 2023 at 1:04pm:
Let's see what you got... Quote:
So far all you've got is denial that the gap exists..."deplorable", ideology-based nonsense. The gap is very real. Quote:
No..mowing other people's yards...spot the difference? Quote:
Your errors shown above, again. [/quote] You couldn't show shyte from clay. So they're all going to mow each others yards but not their own? ;D |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 20th, 2023 at 11:24am Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2023 at 6:27pm:
So far all you've got is denial that the gap exists..."deplorable", ideology-based nonsense. The gap is very real. Quote:
No..mowing other people's yards...spot the difference? Quote:
Your errors shown above, again. [/quote] You couldn't show shyte from clay.[/quote] The fall-back position from conservatives when their brains are crippled by blind ideology; you didn't attempt to refute any of the points made above. Quote:
Low IQ; mowing lawns is only ONE possible area of employment, in a community. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by The Grappler on May 20th, 2023 at 12:28pm
Force 'em all into a job even if it's mowing their own lawn .... don't let 'em sit around thinking they're about to inherit billions from being the first settlers..... they lost .... you don't make unequal treaties in favour of the loser.....
Unconditional Surrender! That's where Albo is leading them... Cheaper to round 'em all up and ship 'em all out back to where they came from ......................... Jeez - someone on Twitter today said that if the voice passed, it would lead to civil war amongst the Indigenous groups..... I had to add, not to mention with All Others once they wake up to what they'd done to themselves. Genocide then would be a lighter option........ **dreams of Aborassic Park and Gondwanamo Bay** .. the peaceful solution..... total apartheid as they themselves demand ..... bloody lot cheaper than sustaining the bastards while they riot, steal and demand without cease... set aside a nice swathe and put 'em all in there...... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 20th, 2023 at 12:51pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 12:28pm:
Well I wouldn't use the word "force" , rather "provide"; but good to see you on the right track... Quote:
Good point; we all have to work to prosper (...come to think of it, just like we all had to, in the h-g days). Quote:
I'm fascinated by the social dynamics set in play by the voice referendum....and even more interested in what will happen after the referendum! Quote:
Yes - under the current rules requiring currency-issuing governments to beg for funding from the private sector. But the current neoliberal TINA fallacy is...a fallacy. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on May 21st, 2023 at 9:10am |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Brian Ross on May 21st, 2023 at 1:15pm
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Matty, Facebook? Really? What a WOFTAM you are proving to be. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on May 21st, 2023 at 5:02pm Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2023 at 1:15pm:
9 News Darwin Reality |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Brian Ross on May 21st, 2023 at 5:12pm
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Matty, Facebook? Really? What a WOFTAM you are proving to be. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by UnSubRocky on May 21st, 2023 at 7:34pm Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2023 at 5:12pm:
They link to online accessible media footage, from time to time. You are welcome to criticise what is being reported, if you wish. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 22nd, 2023 at 11:25am Boris wrote on May 21st, 2023 at 5:02pm:
Yes; obviously Albo (in the video) is as useless as you with your DNA predestination theory/'just lock them up' narrative. I agree the voice referendum is a waste of time and money, given our current dysfunctional neoclassical economic system; but your ideology is an even greater barrier to closing the gap. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by The Grappler on May 22nd, 2023 at 6:30pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 11:25am:
You may not use the phrase 'closing the gaps' in any discussion of the voice when you have already stated that the voice will close no gaps. No wonder people think you're up in the clouds somewhere....... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 22nd, 2023 at 6:38pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 22nd, 2023 at 6:30pm:
The nation is considering - and dividing over - the voice as the answer to black dysfunction (measured by the egregious gap stats), not me. Quote:
I accept your concession, now that I explained your error. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 6th, 2024 at 9:58pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/ceduna-frustrated-with-alcohol-related-issues-as-leaders-call-for-investment-in-housing-and-jobs/ar-BB1lS7M2?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=40f223e23106477bb68f32c2a4acea2f&ei=156
Ceduna frustrated with alcohol-related issues as leaders call for investment in housing and jobs ...... ...because the Oz government thinks it can't afford to fix the problem without arousing the ire of taxpayers. So the entrenched poverty /'welfare' industry continues.... Deplorable. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 6th, 2024 at 11:23pm |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 7th, 2024 at 12:58am thegreatdivide wrote on May 6th, 2024 at 9:58pm:
Yeah - build 'em each a house there and give 'em jobs - you bin there? there was a servo there .... Job? "Ay, Jindaburra - it your turn to go down on the grog run as courier, yeah?" |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 7th, 2024 at 11:04am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 12:58am:
A servo? You trying to say something? Quote:
That's not a job which Ceduna's leaders want done. Stop proving you are part of the problem. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 7th, 2024 at 11:48am
"That's not a job which Ceduna's leaders want done. "
Words are cheap and designed for public and politician consumption in order to draw more cash.... If that's not a job wanted done, why then did The Return from Indue fail instantly? '.. drove my Treas'ry to the levy, but the levy was dry ...' Them good ol' boys was drinkin' whiskey an' rye ...' |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 7th, 2024 at 12:01pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 11:48am:
No so, when the words mean something; in this case, jobs which Ceduna's leaders want done, to ensure employment for everyone in the town. Quote:
Because your blind, free market religion (literally blind: "the invisible hand") ONLY values work via profits in free markets, ignoring work which the community wants done outside of the free market. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Captain Nemo on May 7th, 2024 at 12:39pm
Meanwhile ... how the heck can this man be found to have NOT contributed to the woman's death?!!! >:(
‘They are not a punching bag for your anger’: Court finds man who punched woman 40 times did not contribute to her death Heather McNeill ByHeather McNeill May 7, 2024 — 5.00am WARNING: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are warned that the following story contains an image of a deceased person. The family of a West Australian woman who was viciously beaten by her partner in an attack that included punching her 40 times, stomping on her head five times and choking her, felt betrayed by the justice system after he was cleared of contributing to her death. Instead, the cause of death of Jigalong woman, Nyaparu*, 24, was found to be a heart attack suffered in the moments after she was bashed. Nyaparu died from a heart attack after suffering a sustained beating from her partner in Perth’s CBD in 2022. CREDIT:WATODAY The finding comes a month after Victorian woman Emma Bates was found dead inside her home after allegedly being bashed by her neighbour, who is not facing charges over her death due to a post-mortem being unable to determine if illness played a part. Nyaparu died in December 2022 after CCTV captured her boyfriend Aaron Wumi, 28, unleashing a sustained assault on her about 12.40am on a footpath in Perth’s CBD. The mother of one tried to walk away, but was followed by Wumi into a car park where a witness claimed the beating continued. Obscured from CCTV, Wumi emerged from the area alone nearly an hour later. Nyaparu was found unresponsive lying on the ground and pronounced dead by paramedics at 3.12am. Wumi told police he “didn’t mean to kill her”, and he was never charged over his partner’s death. Instead, pathologists found the young mother died of a heart attack. Wumi was instead charged with causing bodily harm. Last week, as the national conversation around men’s violence and the deaths of women ramped up, he was sentenced to four years’ jail. With parole, he could be released in two years. ::) Perth District Court Judge Wendy Hughes said she sentenced Wumi on the basis he did not cause the death of the victim, directly or indirectly. :o “The cause of death was determined to be coronary artery atherosclerosis with alcohol effect. Essentially, that indicates that the victim died of a heart attack as someone who suffered from heart disease where high levels of alcohol increased the risk of a heart attack,” she said. Nyaparu’s brother-in-law Michael Rickards said the family was stunned by the findings. “My sister died two years ago and nobody’s spoken about it; there were no questions raised,” he said. “If [Nyaparu] wasn’t beaten that night, would she have had a heart attack later that night? “She’s been hit 40 times, had her head stomped on five times, been choked, stripped, she’s in distress.” Rickards is calling for more to be done to stamp out domestic violence. He is also calling for repeat domestic violence offenders to be added to a national banned drinkers’ register. The day before her death, Wumi and Nyaparu had travelled from Jigalong – a remote Indigenous community east of Newman where alcohol is banned – to Perth for Wumi to undergo jaw surgery. During his sentencing, Hughes told Wumi he had to stop drinking. “Mr Wumi, you must never ever hurt your partner again,” she said. “You must respect the women in your community, they are not a punching bag for your anger.” West Australian Greens Senator Dorinda Cox supported Nyaparu’s family through the legal process. ... WA Premier Roger Cook also condemned Wumi’s violent attack, but stopped short of committing to any law reform. “Whether the heart attack was caused by that attack. I’m not qualified to be able to make that call, but I understand that this case is very distressing and it’s heartbreaking,” he said. “And we will obviously take any advice in relation to ensuring that we do everything we can to reduce and eliminate family domestic violence in our community.” https://www.theage.com.au/national/western-australia/they-are-not-a-punching-bag-for-your-anger-court-finds-man-who-punched-woman-40-times-did-not-contribute-to-her-death-20240506-p5fp9y.html |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Jasin on May 7th, 2024 at 5:17pm Boris wrote on May 17th, 2023 at 8:57am:
This is the start of the Australian CIVIL WAR. You know Americans (the Left/Democraps) are pumping out Movies and Tubes on possible Civil War in America, but its just really just a need to 're-justify' the Blue North's existence - as the War against the Grey South did. It won't happen in America. The Red East Republicans aren't into 'Civil War' threats. They're happy to just step back and watch the Blue North hang itself in Suicide. But as we know in American 'fake' Politics - the Blue North are connected to the Media's Cultural view (not the real political view) and its from that Media (via the Democraps and the ALP) that its now trying to develop Australia into a GREY SOUTH to re-establish a more international version of the Civil War from long ago. Making Australia out as the racist anti-black NEW GREY SOUTH, will re-establish and re-justify the empowerment of the 'BLUE' America. The 'trick' here is that the Blue North & Grey South are the Media induced PSEUDO-POLITICS. A European equivalent would be like Blue North Scandinavia v Grey South Latin Europe. Neither truly 'West' Europe and thus not really true Politics. No doubt about it. The Media is trying to undermine, disrupt and cause 'death' in the New Worlds of North America, South America and here in the region of Sahul. Much in the same way of effect that the Middle-East's 'Religion' had on Asia, Europe and Africa. The Media of the Americas and here need to be booted into Oceania where it belongs. Oceania being that region from New Zealand, Pacific Islands (Hawaii too), Central America and the Caribbean Islands like Cuba. Anything born from 'War' is a failure of Politics to establish growth from PEACE. Thus the American Civil War was a 'failure' in losing its Confederation aspect and now Democracy has a noose around its neck trying not to slip off the box. This DIVISION BELL ringing is purely induced by the ALP and the Media Left. The ALP does not see 'aborigine' - it sees 'black'. That in itself is the give-away in their flaw. The Media poked the pooch in N.America like a sex predator and it will take the money and run from here, like a 'thief'. ...the Media should stick to Music and Entertainment and the 'Blue North' should stick to Restaurants and Food Industry. This is the curse of the Blue North/Grey South failure in Politics. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Jasin on May 7th, 2024 at 5:19pm
One day, a Governor-General will sever his connection with Britain on behalf of Australia - by killing a Prime Minister who betrayed Australia on behalf of America.
The Governor-General will thereafter serve the time of his natural life here in Australia for his crime of murder - warming his slippers by the fire and enjoying a nice plate of snapper and oysters for his trouble standing up for Australia. ;) |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 8th, 2024 at 11:49am Captain Nemo wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 12:39pm:
Indeed, but I fear you, like graps, don't want to face the consequences of welfare dependency on communities, in lieu of paid work. from my #36: "....your blind, free market religion (literally blind: "the invisible hand") ONLY values work via profits in free markets, ignoring work which the community wants done outside of the free market". |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on May 8th, 2024 at 3:57pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 11:49am:
You must realise like the rest of us, parrot, that your post has zero relevance to Nemo's. You just carry on, obliviously, irregardlessly ( sic), don't you, that's why your name is parrot. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 8th, 2024 at 4:45pm Frank wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 3:57pm:
Crippled conservative brain, can't see the inter-connectedness of the gap, social breakdown, welfare dependency and dysfunctional free-markets, in this 'This Aboriginal Disaster' thread. Blind conservative brain, worshiping the blind "invisible hand" free market - which is why you sweep aside welfare dependency, regarding it as self-imposed. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 8th, 2024 at 4:56pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 4:45pm:
Crippled woke brains are the disaster.... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 8th, 2024 at 5:42pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 4:56pm:
You forgot to define "woke" brains; the Job Guarantee concept is hardly "woke". Try again, Frank needs your assistance. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 8th, 2024 at 7:37pm
The greatest disaster for our Abestinians (Two State Solution, you know) is the well-meaning but essentially unfounded (mentally and intellectually under-funded) do-gooders farting roses in their faces about their rights and sovereignty over everything in Australia....
Time for some REAL input into their REAL problems... - let's not mince words - PROBLEMS - not 'issues'.... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 9th, 2024 at 12:06pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 8th, 2024 at 7:37pm:
The greatest disaster? I disagree: the mainstream acceptance of the poverty industry with its entrenched welfare dependency is surely the actual problem. Let the activists bleat about 'black sovereignty'; but participation in the economy remains to be achieved, to close the the gap. You don't want to confront that fact, because you can't confront the reality that free markets don't always function as intended. Imagine if all blacks suddenly decided to 'get with the strength' (the modern world, for the sake of the argument), some would still be faced with the reality of welfare dependency - as experienced by half a million whites in Oz. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 9th, 2024 at 10:04pm
More like 'black sheepreignty' .... in all ways.... they and their fellow travelers.... as long as they are fed BS and left to grow in the dark they will always mushroom into just another problem, and nothing that can be given to them - and governments do NOT have the right to hand over OUR national parks to anyone, as a clear example - will ever change the perpetual grasping for more and more, since they figure they own every part of this land and we are the visitors and their guests at their discretion.
Time to say NO! Better to go to full scale and get it over than endure this daily lawfare of the death of a thousand cu*ts.... the list just grows and grows ... do you feel no shame over your crass betrayal of this country that feeds you so well? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on May 10th, 2024 at 7:25am Captain Nemo wrote on May 7th, 2024 at 12:39pm:
How the Judge could come to that conclusion with a clear conscience is unbelievable. Just because she had an underlying health issue. It was the beating that put her system under stress and caused the the underlying issues to elevate. Absolute morally callous technical disregard for the violence incurred. Reminds me of an incident years ago, the Police were called to attend the local Railway yards 400mtrs from the Police Station because an Aboriginal youth who was "chroming" was wandering around the tracks, off his face whilst we were trying to shunt in the yard. We couldn't do anything whilst he was there, the coppers took their own damned time getting there and did nothing. Their response when questioned why wasn't the youth removed was that chronic chromers have underlying health issues and when high on the aerosol, if chased or apprehended and they struggle/resist .... their elevated blood pressure could cause a stroke or heart attack. So don't tell me the beating this woman received didn't cause her death. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 10th, 2024 at 11:51am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 9th, 2024 at 10:04pm:
You didn't address my post. I feel no shame for facing the fact that people - all people - are blinded by clinging to their own culture. Most smart blacks are willing to join the modern world, all they want is jobs. As for religious mumbo jumbo ("sacred sites", etc) - we all fight over it eg Jews/Christians versus Moslems. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 10th, 2024 at 12:04pm
Delusion.
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 10th, 2024 at 12:17pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
Er... the idea is to defend and prove the correctness of your case. The pity is you are the one who is deluded by a subjective awareness of freedom, a concept explored in FD's 'foundations' thread, but which he has abandoned because of his own delusions. The "human condition" ..... ouch. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by aquascoot on May 10th, 2024 at 12:20pm
aborigines were doing well as stockmen
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by aquascoot on May 10th, 2024 at 12:21pm
aborigines thrived at church missions like hopevale
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by aquascoot on May 10th, 2024 at 12:26pm
under 100's of billions of dollars flowing from canberra to fund leftie intellectual narcisitic fake compassion programs (basicly sit down money, public servant teachers, social workers, pyschologists and other hangers on (grifters)
aborigines have gone backwards in 17 of the 19 measures of the governments own closing the gap initiative. one would think the facts speak for themselves |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 10th, 2024 at 1:15pm aquascoot wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 12:26pm:
ie the poverty industry. Right in all three posts. Amazing. Politics makes strange bedfellows. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on May 21st, 2024 at 3:24pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
That is the problem they have. It wasn't how the voice was going to aid in reaching that goal. It's the goal that the problem. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 21st, 2024 at 5:06pm
Well - when your goal is control over land, water and resources - I tend to consider that supremacism and tyranny ... must be just me ....
I think I WILL claim that beach next time I walk across it.... the whole bloody lot .... now then - where did my ancestors travel in Australia ... hmmm ... gotta be a native title claim there somewhere... I'm native to this land... it's MY land!! |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 21st, 2024 at 5:50pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 12:17pm:
Delusion .... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 22nd, 2024 at 1:13pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 5:50pm:
Funny, seeing this written immediaetly below: “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” ― John Adams You apparently think "facts " can be established - are "self-evident" - merely by repeating the word "delusion" .. I have bad news for you... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 22nd, 2024 at 1:18pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 1:13pm:
Just accept your position as Dr Goebbels - repeat silliness often enough and it becomes the reality in your own mind... that's the problem with transgenderism. How's the UN doing with Gaza? Still trying to blame the victim? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 22nd, 2024 at 2:17pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 1:18pm:
Goebbels was promoting an ideology, I'm promoting universal well-being and security. Spot the difference? Quote:
I didn't say anything about transgenderism. You like "facts" and "evidence" - as in Adam's remark? ROTFL. Quote:
Disastrously, but finally getting around to implementing UN res 242, after all the obfuscation and hindering by Israel, backed by the looney conservative Christian Right in the US. (eg, with Pompeo calling for Armegeddon and "the rapture", during the Trump administration, to hasten the 2nd coming of Christ) |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 22nd, 2024 at 2:31pm
"Goebbels was promoting an ideology, I'm promoting universal well-being and security. Spot the difference?"
YES! One is an ideology - the other is an ideology disguised as motherhood statements! ![]() |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 22nd, 2024 at 2:39pm
"Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-violence-inquiry/vi-BB1mOqqZ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=7ee1b8b7dc1a4311d36338b645660776&ei=6&sc=shoreline#details I'm guessing she just wouldn't listen, ay? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 22nd, 2024 at 3:29pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 2:31pm:
Neat .....so a motherhood statement - something we all want (in this case, well-being and security) - is a "disguise" for an ideology. Only a blind self-interest-based ideologue could come up with that formulation. btw, re the UN finally implementing UN res 242: tweet from Bob Carr, former Oz foreign minister with contacts in overseas governments: Bob Carr @bobjcarr I’m told Norway, Spain & Ireland will make a coordinated announcement announcing a joint move to recognise Palestine on 1967 borders. All will formally recognise on May 28 once internal processes are done. Slovenia will follow on June 13. Belgium and France also in play. It seems Israel has overplayed its hand....apart from being brought before the ICC.... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 22nd, 2024 at 3:45pm
Zo - vat iss zis 'ideology' of promoting universal well-being?
When such a motherhood statement is disguising the intention of putting in control a specified small group, you are promoting an ideology of rule by minority, and history tells us clearly where that leads. It is simply NOT possible to 'promote universal well-being' for those who do not 'know the ropes' and/or who do not wish to co-operate in their own salvation, and the course of handing total power to a select group to impose this is fraught with danger - that danger being the total loss of sovereignty of individual and community to self-appointed 'elite' group - such as has been occurring in Australia now for decades. On a worldwide scale - the amazing presumption is that handing over all national sovereignty to a blatantly corrupt and biased body - the UN - will suddenly solve all problems. Again, history shows us that will never be the case. Nobody in his/her right mind would consider such foolishness with regard to a body that condemns the victim for being attacked and its citizens brutally murdered. Note:- Israel has UNDER-played its hand in pursuit of the ideal of not killing innocent civilians... and thus allowed a delay that enabled 'world opinion' manipulated by liars to turn against the victim of a vile series of crimes. Should've gone for the kill from the start and now the world media would have forgotten about the whole thing.. no headlines in it... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 22nd, 2024 at 3:45pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 2:39pm:
Do try to remain on topic - not ectopic... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 23rd, 2024 at 1:37pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 3:45pm:
Did you miss it? The "ideology" of the UNUDHR, presently defenceless in our current vicious 'individual sovereignty' neanderthal ideology ruling the world. Quote:
I admire your brave attempt to bring "logic" to your argument. But your error in logic there: international law is not rule by (an ideologically-driven) minority, it is rule by.....law. The issue is the nature of the law, see the articles defined in the UNUDHR. Quote:
International law is certainly a work in progress, but don't make the mistake of rejecting it on 'individual sovereignty' ideological grounds just because previous atempts to ensure the wellbeing of the collective have failed. Quote:
Not if the 'select group' is imbued with the principles of the UNUDHR, rather than to exclusive ideologies held by different groups. Quote:
All the result of confusion over matters of 'sovereignty' for different groups, and a battle - driven by self-interest - over public versus private control of the means of production and distribution. Quote:
Never say never; the problems in the UN are due to confusion over the issues of 'sovereignty' - which currently renders null and void the effectiveness of international law. Quote:
Now you are just showing your ideological blindness: the UN wanted to create two states living in peace, but only recognised one of them. Quote:
Now you are showing your contempt for life, and the international law required to protect life, given murderousness of tribal instincts. Quote:
Reality check: if the IDF had murdered the entire Gazan population ..."gone for the kill", the world media would NOT have forgotten by now, because the issue of the occupation of the WB would be even more pressing than it is now. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 23rd, 2024 at 7:22pm
Poor old UN - seems nobody wants to be governed and controlled by a majority of rat-infested, gutters overflowing with filth, mud hut, law of the jungle (yes - even your fabled ayatollahs etc), power-hungry, misogynistic, West-hating, chip on the shoulder, semi-educated at best cultural deficient countries .... no surprise.
Now then - which Aboriginal disaster do you want to discuss today? 76 out of 81 by 30.8% of the population of the Terr'Uh'Tree? We all know that general figure will be evenly spread across Australia once the balls get rolling properly on DV and woman murders - what is amazing is that the NT Coroner actually had the ovaries to truth-tell it as it is. Break it down by demographic, they said.... nah, nah, said the Black 'truth-tellers', that's 'racism' - clearly they had plenty to hide... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 23rd, 2024 at 7:24pm
"international law is not rule " .....
Fixed for ya.... YOU drink it ........... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 24th, 2024 at 7:04pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 7:22pm:
Well, that's correct; but that's not anything to do with why have "the poor old UN". Quote:
I want the government to deal with ALL "aboriginal disasters" (as measured by the gap), as far as is possible. Quote:
I agree denial of facts will not assist in closing the gap. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on May 25th, 2024 at 7:55am thegreatdivide wrote on May 24th, 2024 at 7:04pm:
I agree denial of facts will not assist in closing the gap. [/quote] You do realise you're talking with someone whose preference it is to widen the gap, not close it? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 25th, 2024 at 8:18am ProudKangaroo wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 7:55am: You do realise you're talking with someone whose preference it is to widen the gap, not close it?[/quote] White flag accepted, champ. I'm just going along with Michael Mansell and the idea of a Two State Solution.... it's a bi-partition issue, you know. I have nothing to do with any gaps or opening or closing them. You need to stop smoking that stuff. God you fools grasp for some desperate things to try to make your claims.... what are you? Twelve years old? Which reminds me - the NT coroner has stated on the evidence that 76 out of 81 women killed in the Terr'Uh'Tree since 2000 were Aboriginal women. I take it your silly pushing some clinically insane agenda is more important.... do you even know what your agenda is? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 26th, 2024 at 5:58pm ProudKangaroo wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 7:55am:
You do realise you're talking with someone whose preference it is to widen the gap, not close it?[/quote] Yes, for graps it's all a matter of 'personal responsibility', he denies the reality of entrenched/systemic socio-economic disadvantage which CAN be eradicated by the state; entrenched poverty is a political choice of the government, not an economic necessity. But denial, or concealing the consequences of entrenched poverty eg high crime and DV rates, won't assist in closing the gap. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on May 26th, 2024 at 6:14pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 5:58pm:
Yes, for graps it's all a matter of 'personal responsibility', he denies the reality of entrenched/systemic socio-economic disadvantage which CAN be eradicated by the state; entrenched poverty is a political choice of the government, not an economic necessity. But denial, or concealing the consequences of entrenched poverty eg high crime and DV rates, won't assist in closing the gap. [/quote] Is there such a thing as personal responsibility in your conception of the way the human world is? Or is EVERYONE is an automaton, subject to forces completely outside his control - responsibility? Everyone, including you. So what IS controlling you? What IS making you say what you do say? What are the forces you are a helpless puppet to? (Total ignorance and stupidity. Ed.) |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 26th, 2024 at 6:45pm Frank wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 6:14pm:
Is there such a thing as personal responsibility in your conception of the way the human world is?[/quote] Yes, "my conception of the world" defines 'personal responsibility' the same way as google does. Quote:
No; everyone is a unique individual dealing with unique socio economic circumstances, SOME OF WHICH are outside the individual's control - eg the idiot Oz central-banker Bullock is deliberately trying to force some individuals onto the unemployment scrap heap (- exactly where she herself belongs...) Quote:
All answered above. For my part I avoid the junk consumer economy like the plague - most fulfil their role as unaware, obediant little consumers (lied to by self-interested, profit-seeking junk advertising) heading to sickness and an early death. Quote:
Refuted above; you should wait for the reply before you make a gratuitous comment like that. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on May 26th, 2024 at 7:13pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 6:45pm:
Yes, "my conception of the world" defines 'personal responsibility' the same way as google does. Quote:
No; everyone is a unique individual dealing with unique socio economic circumstances, SOME OF WHICH are outside the individual's control - eg the idiot Oz central-banker Bullock is deliberately trying to force some individuals onto the unemployment scrap heap (- exactly where she herself belongs...) Quote:
All answered above. For my part I avoid the junk consumer economy like the plague - most fulfil their role as unaware, obediant little consumers (lied to by self-interested, profit-seeking junk advertising) heading to sickness and an early death. Quote:
Refuted above; you should wait for the reply before you make a gratuitous comment like that. [/quote] So... to what extent are YOU responsible for your life and to what extent are YOU a mere puppet of consumer economics? And if you are avoiding consumer economics, how do YOU do it other than by taking personal responsibility for your own life? And if you can do it, why can't anyone else? What is special about you?? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on May 26th, 2024 at 7:17pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 8:18am:
You're advocating for segregation in 2024. It's not a white flag, there is simply no way to hold any rational discussion with someone such as yourself. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by aquascoot on May 26th, 2024 at 7:31pm
the gap is indeed widening and will continue to widen if the victim narrative continues.
the first principle in wise books from steven covey or ekhardt tolle or robert green STRESS the importance that you MUST give up all victim narratives if you are to move ahead. the left oppress the aborigine by the subtle (not so subtle) racism of low expectations |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on May 26th, 2024 at 7:39pm aquascoot wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 7:31pm:
Class struggle = victim narrative = Marxism. The victimhood wheeze is a very well developed apparatus of thinking, talking, perceiving etc. There is no relinquishing it because then identity is relinquished. Victimhood is not an add-on, it is the core. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 27th, 2024 at 12:12pm Frank wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 7:13pm:
Difficult to say, since I didn't choose my parents. Quote:
Your error there: just because my family background taught me to take personal responsibility and avoid the junk-consumer economy doesn't mean everyone has that background and hence choice. ("Give me the child and I will give you the man"....). In fact the junk consumer economy depends on people not making informed choices. Quote:
Answered above: I didn't choose my parents. Then there's the complicating matter of genes; Trump's brother drank himself to death because of an addiction to grog. Did he "choose" the addiction? You won't be able to answer that question definitively. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on May 27th, 2024 at 12:23pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Answered above: I didn't choose my parents. [/quote] So everything is completely out of everyone's hands because nobody choses his parents! :D :D And that is the foundation of your world view. Everything is an accident, some accidents are lucky, others not. But even that judgement, the ability to make YOUR judgement, is entirely based on chance, on your parents, who in turn were entirely dependent on the luck or otherwise of their parents. It is all an gigantic game of chance, all judgements are based on random backgrounds. Nothing can be said to be better or worse because that very value judgement is the random product of family background. YOUR own views are nothing but the product of your background so they carry no weight. They are random, li k e everything else. You are an idiot, according to my background. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 27th, 2024 at 1:15pm Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:23pm:
So everything is completely out of everyone's hands because nobody choses his parents! :D :D[/quote] Correct, provided you replace "everything" and "completely" with some things and "partially", respectively. People like Bonner and Dodson have obviously exercized some 'personal responsibility' because a parent taught them. Quote:
Correct (though your use of the words "completely" and "everything" above hints at your desperation to make your case) We all know 'life isn't fair'....; the question is how to ameliorate this reality. Quote:
There's another absolutist word ie "entirely"; I have my own gentic makeup which influences my own decisions, as well what I learned from my parents teachings and economic circumstances. Quote:
You error there (again): replace "entirely dependent on" with "influenced by". Quote:
A confused mixture of ideas; the effect of chance (for all of us) is one thing; value judgements are another thing altogether (eg collective versus individual wellbeing). And the debate over (individual) freewill versus determinism is not closed.i |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on May 27th, 2024 at 2:36pm
Well, what IS exempt from the random chance of "I didn't choose my parents"?
What is exempt from 'everything" and "completely" if your views are subject to random backgrounds and parents? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 27th, 2024 at 3:14pm Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
Nothing; your error in logic arises because you think chance has NO effect on individual outcomes. Quote:
My views (while growing up) were influenced by the views of MY parents, NOT random parents. You are confusing my hypothetical "choice of parents" with the actual parents I had in this life. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on May 27th, 2024 at 3:45pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 3:14pm:
You didn't choose your parents, so they were random FOR YOU. Being entirely a product of your random circumstances, nothing is your choice, not even your support for the CCP, MMT, nothing. You do not have any individual autonomy, agency, choice. You are entirely conditioned by your background and things around that you have no power to alter since there is no 'you' only a subject of random outside influences, themselves nothing but effects of other random influences. You are mere frog's leg, twitching reflexively to electric impulses. An idiot, in a word. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 29th, 2024 at 1:53pm Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 3:45pm:
Correct. Quote:
Incorrect: they begat me, they were my actual parents; nothing random about it. Quote:
Refuted above, you are arguing from a wrong premise. Quote:
..continuing your GIGO narrative: I can reason and make choices which began on the foundations of my parents' experiences, beliefs and circumstances. ...just like you, but of course your 'foundations' ( as posited above) are very different to mine. Quote:
There's your erroneous misplacement of the word "entirely" again, combined with your errors re randomness. I can reason, beginning from the unique circumstances of my birth. Quote:
Again, you should have waited until I explained your errors for you..... Hence you insist on claiming, for example, one of the drunk criminals in the Alice who is abusing his wife, has had exactly the same 'freedom'/opportunity to prosper, as eg, Jacinta Price. It's an inadequate ideology. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on May 29th, 2024 at 3:01pm You, very idiotically, argue against personal responsibility on the basis that you didn't choose your parents, your background or theirs, your circumstances or theirs. So what IS of your own making about you? What falls outside your deterministic conception,outside your accidental, random parenthood, background, circumstances,? What is left to your own personal - individual! - powers and choices and decisions? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 29th, 2024 at 3:02pm
I ask again - WHICH Aboriginal disaster will we start with? Which one are we looking at now? So many to choose from.... so little time....
Did me one of them vapid test things last night to see how 'independent' a person I was - I cut to the max as Independent ... sort of an Alpha Independent type... I don't have bosses - I have underlings and servants .... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 29th, 2024 at 3:19pm ProudKangaroo wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 7:17pm:
Not at all - I'm just agreeing with Michael Mansell - another white Aborigine - and that huge Tarneen sheila bloated on three Wharte Man jobs from Melbadishu, who are saying they should have an Aboriginal state where they can do their own things... I'm just happy to offer them a separate Two State (Three if you include Politico Island) solution, where on the one hand they can as per their demand 'do things their way' - and on the other we can do things our way. No problem... no segregation about it since we would not be living in the same land .....they have their own and we have ours... and it's voluntary anyway unless and until one or them plays up too much - those who choose to remain Australians BE Australians (Ausraelis) - those who choose to be Abestinians choose to be Abestinians and responsible for themselves and their own outcomes.... those who act up in the traces and cause problems are shipped to Abestine and left to their 'elders' and local laws.... as is happening in some parts of Ausrael right now behind our backs..... and that doesn't even include the far outback places that nobody wants to visit anyway..... You'll get there one day.... YOUR kind are the segregationists..... you are the Nazis .... you demand the segregation of separate but equal but only as long as your pets receive all benefits and more of our ways and get to swim in the sea of Wharte Man's benefits and civilisation while contributing nothing positive to that ...............I'm just the voice of reason in the middle of the range .... Mansell of course envisages the very best seafront land for HIS idea of a state.... When was the last time you saw an Abo take out a franchise on a MacFries or similar and make something of self? Ask yourself this - if the 'missions' and 'reservations' were such a disaster for them - why does Arnhem Land remain as a 'reservation'? A. because THEY want it that way!! Maybe I'll look at AL as Abestine etc... same crocs and such and right there ready to go .... and Farencue could be retained for a Cape Canaveral of the future .... no need to pay royalties there then .... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 29th, 2024 at 5:54pm
Here's a plan for yez... Three State Solution right in front of you.
Ooooh - it's Reconciliation Week!! All one way as usual and a WEEK!! Big pardy, Errol!! "National Reconciliation Week (NRW) started as the Week of Prayer for Reconciliation in 1993" Death of a Salesman - "Happy is 32 years old! When is he going to find himself?" When are they going to figure out that you will NEVER 'reconcile' while ever you applaud one side forever.... ![]() |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on May 29th, 2024 at 6:24pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
You are not wrong there. Aborigines, in reality, are not any more homogenous than Europeans. But since there is an Aboriginal industry, we hear mostly from Aborigines invested in maintaining, growing that industry. Land the ignorant, head tilting whites, wishing to remain ignorant but their conscience salved, clap along with the "Abo-Irish" Aristocracy. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 30th, 2024 at 11:39am Frank wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 3:01pm:
Sigh....wrong again: I argue my 'personal responsibility' (ie, the personal choices I make) is not absolute, and is influenced by my experience of my parents' circumstances. Quote:
See above. The complex interaction of external influences and internal choices since birth has shaped who I am now. Quote:
The capacity to reason and act, within the confines of my external circumstances. In short, criminals aren't born, they are made; that's what Hugo wanted to show: "In Les Misérables, Hugo asserts that love and compassion are the most important gifts one person can give another and that always displaying these qualities should be the most important goal in life." In the real world, love and compassion - even from parents - is not assured. Hence we need governments to fill the breach. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 30th, 2024 at 11:44am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 3:02pm:
Let's start with fixing the gap. Quote:
Your own experience is unique to you, what government needs to do is close the gap. Start using your brain. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 30th, 2024 at 11:48am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 5:54pm:
Yes, largely a lot of nonsense; what is really needed is systemic change to get rid of the very poverty industry which you support. Step 1. Train and employ everyone, according to his ability - a community-wide project requiring government management. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by aquascoot on May 30th, 2024 at 11:48am thegreatdivide wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 11:39am:
The capacity to reason and act, within the confines of my external circumstances. In short, criminals aren't born, they are made; that's what Hugo wanted to show: "In Les Misérables, Hugo asserts that love and compassion are the most important gifts one person can give another and that always displaying these qualities should be the most important goal in life." In the real world, love and compassion - even from parents - is not assured. Hence we need governments to fill the breach. [/quote] thats about as insane as it gets the government is now your intimate partner, your soulmate the government that treats you like furniture :D :D you might as well say we rely on mother nature to treat us with love and compassion. :D :D :D :D :D mother nature is brutal, as is the government. help help please help me when i was a child my mummy and daddy would always come and solve my problems are you my mummy . mr government? are you my daddy? can i suckle on your breasts like when i was a toddler i feel tired now ' i feel weak and small i might poo my nappy i might throw a tantrum your message great divide is insane to any person with a modicum of self respect |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 30th, 2024 at 11:58am Frank wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
Well, I agree the call to separate sovereignty and segregation is wrong-headed, but graps is all over the shop on the matter, with his posited "2- (or 3)- state solution"; and he thinks welfare dependency is a grand state desired by blacks.... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on May 30th, 2024 at 11:59am ProudKangaroo wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 7:17pm:
Really? Who have been granted over 50% of Australias land mass in Native title claims and wants to lock up vast swathes of that, which includes areas once accessible to all Australians? Is that not segregation & whitey stay out? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on May 30th, 2024 at 12:02pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
Answered above: I didn't choose my parents. Then there's the complicating matter of genes; Trump's brother drank himself to death because of an addiction to grog. Did he "choose" the addiction? You won't be able to answer that question definitively. [/quote] What have your parents got to do with "you" the supposed adult person and how you operate in the world? No one chooses their parents ::) |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 30th, 2024 at 12:20pm aquascoot wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 11:48am:
thats about as insane as it gets[/quote] You include Victor Hugo in that assessment? Quote:
No, the government job is to manage the competitive desires of individuals, whether that desire is to love or to hate. Quote:
Wrong again, we rely on government to adjudicate competing desires of individuals operating within "mother nature" ie within the survival of the fittest regime of nature. Quote:
The first assertion is correct, the 2nd incorrect: it's up to rule of law to ensure government is a "benevolent authority". Quote:
Many individuals would never think of asking for help; crime is a better alternative for some. Quote:
You are confusing different roles. Quote:
The government can't supply you with loving mother's breasts; the government CAN ensure everyone can participate in the economy. Quote:
The sh*t is hitting the fan now, as I expose your vicious survival of the fittest ideology. "Self respect"? yeh, I already noted the difficulty many have in asking for help ...I'll take what I want, none of this girly 'asking for help'... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 30th, 2024 at 12:26pm Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 12:02pm:
What have your parents got to do with "you" the supposed adult person and how you operate in the world? No one chooses their parents ::)[/quote] They influenced how I think and act. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on May 30th, 2024 at 1:36pm Quote:
Could there be something beyond the survival instinct and the quest for happiness? “Poverty and prison . . . give wisdom,” we hear, but what is that wisdom? Not just Solzhenitsyn, but also many others asked this question. This collective autobiography guides us through their answers. “Here is how it was with many others, not just with me,” Solzhenitsyn explains. One’s first prison experience resembles the sky over Pompeii or the heaven of the Last Judgment “because it was not just anyone who had been arrested, but I—the center of this world.” One thought occurs to everyone: one must vow to survive at any price. And one soon realizes what that means: “at the price of someone else.” And whoever takes that vow . . . allows his own misfortune to overshadow both the entire common misfortune and the whole world. This is the great fork of camp life. From this point the roads go to the right and to the left. One of them will rise and the other will descend. If you go to the right—you lose your life, and if you go the left—you lose your conscience. Solzhenitsyn concedes that at that fork, “at that greater divider of souls,” most choose survival. Intellectuals—resembling many of his Western readers—usually acted swinishly because they could always find a way to justify anything. One could also expect the worst from those who “accept that pitiful ideology which holds that ‘human beings are created for happiness.’” That, of course, is what most secular Americans take for granted. Reading this book, they are likely to ask: what else could life be about if not individual happiness? Exiled to the West, Solzhenitsyn shocked educated people by criticizing the shallowness of such thinking. Life is not just about oneself, he insisted, and one can expect arrogant bosh from those who think it is. They often responded by dismissing him as a religious fanatic. Although most prisoners chose survival, many chose conscience, and Solzhenitsyn describes a few he met. They all knew that, according to official Bolshevik atheism, there are no transcendent values. Lenin and his followers scorned such ideas as “human dignity” and the “sanctity of human life.” No, Soviet citizens were taught, only the material result counted, and that meant the only moral standard was the interest of the Communist Party. People who accepted this way of thinking readily concluded that, on the individual level, too, all that matters is what promotes one’s own welfare. Choosing conscience meant rejecting such thinking. You gradually recognize that “It is not the result that counts . . . but the spirit! Not what—but how.” https://newcriterion.com/article/the-masterpiece-of-our-time/ |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on May 30th, 2024 at 6:19pm Frank wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
People instinctively want to survive; nature doesn't give two hoots, and nor does a self-interest-based system; that's why we need a benevolent authority to make law. Quote:
Is he describing the "secular" American, in the land of "the brave and the free"? Quote:
So Solzhenitsyn couldn't conceive of man-made benevolent authority, while admitting certain "transcendent" values. Note: poverty and human dignity are not compatible. Quote:
?? The"spirit" won't give you a full belly, necessary to be free to explore transcendent experience over a long life. The 2nd part is correct: HOW can all be free to experience material and spiritual transcendence? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on May 30th, 2024 at 6:55pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 12:26pm:
They influenced how I think and act. [/quote] And do you follow that influence? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 30th, 2024 at 7:27pm
Love and compassion from government.... surely the boy is dreaming...
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on May 30th, 2024 at 9:31pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 11:58am:
Never said that last - said they need to get into the 21st Century, just like the Arabs etc, and stop all the petty warring with anyone outside their small and limited group. Every Arab etc village views any 'outsider' as a threat to be extinguished... same with our Abos, which is why they are on the road they are - to nowhere. On the other hand it is not hard to see the allure - they siren call - of dole money, royalties, and other stuff for nothing as created by the inner city types who scarcely even know one, but who hold positions from which they launch decrees like some Gauleiter in Nazi Germany. Positing the two and three state solution, alongside various other solutions, is offering options... and the Third State is for politicians to be isolated on and enjoy their own policies in action so they can see how these things work on the ground. Let's say immigration - let them go to their limited resource island and then we flood it with people from different cultures. Gondwanamo Bay is for the evil dissidents and terrorists and similar.... it takes real work to become a Gondwanamero ... yet there are plenty of applicants by their own actions... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 1st, 2024 at 12:52pm Gnads wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 6:55pm:
And do you follow that influence? [/quote] Yes, whether by following, or reacting against said influence, your actions are influenced by your parents. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 1st, 2024 at 1:16pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 9:31pm:
You often extolled the "dream life" of fishing on the dole - supposedly lived by some blacks. Quote:
You are confusing "Arab" fundamentalists who want a global caliphate in the modern world, with blacks who want to preseve an anachronistic culture which is incompatible with the modern world. Quote:
ie, the "siren call" of the poverty industry which you support Quote:
Israel - Palestine, ie, 2 states, is not an "option", it's international law which the UN failed to deliver. Whereas 'dual soverignty' in Oz (as per the Uluru statement) is a confusion of sovereignty. Quote:
Hookaaay - I'll pass on your spiel re politicians wrong-headed policies, including their failure to close the gap. Quote:
Yes, individuals - apart from extremist ideologues - are led astray, crushed and turned into criminals by the system. Sad. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 1st, 2024 at 2:51pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 1:16pm:
ie, the "siren call" of the poverty industry which you support Quote:
Israel - Palestine, ie, 2 states, is not an "option", it's international law which the UN failed to deliver. Whereas 'dual soverignty' in Oz (as per the Uluru statement) is a confusion of sovereignty. Quote:
Hookaaay - I'll pass on your spiel re politicians wrong-headed policies, including their failure to close the gap. Quote:
Yes, individuals - apart from extremist ideologues - are led astray, crushed and turned into criminals by the system. Sad. [/quote] Nonsense as usual..... you reckon getting all the mod cons for free while living on the coast and not having to go to work etc is not a dream lifestyle? Put your head on straight - I use that to show you about comparative prosperity - and you totally ignore the poor Abo kid in the big city who couch surfs etc. You're just plain slow, is all. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 1st, 2024 at 2:53pm
There's a 'poverty industry' in free dole money, royalty money, and excessive handouts amounting to the billions?
Man - that's the kind of poverty industry all who live in poverty would love to get ... You need to get out more. I say give 'em their own state - just not one where they get to sit on every street corner and just stop things and make trouble whenever they feel like it - let them do that among themselves as they demand. I'm not going to explain simple realities to you over and over - they cannot swim in the sea of white prosperity and such while causing trouble for it at every tune and whining about it and demanding change and special treatment all the time - people have a right to just get on with their lives - so they can go to their own state as Mansell demands.... just not by coursing through the veins of Australia like cancer cells. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 1st, 2024 at 3:01pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 1st, 2024 at 2:51pm:
Israel - Palestine, ie, 2 states, is not an "option", it's international law which the UN failed to deliver. Whereas 'dual soverignty' in Oz (as per the Uluru statement) is a confusion of sovereignty. Quote:
Hookaaay - I'll pass on your spiel re politicians wrong-headed policies, including their failure to close the gap. Quote:
Yes, individuals - apart from extremist ideologues - are led astray, crushed and turned into criminals by the system. Sad. [/quote] Nonsense as usual..... you reckon getting all the mod cons for free while living on the coast and not having to go to work etc is not a dream lifestyle? [/quote] Reality check, you can't buy all the "mod cons" while subsisting on the dole. Ask the welfare-dependent people in Ceduna and the Alice. Quote:
Reality check: couch surfing isn't a dream lifestyle either. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 2nd, 2024 at 1:46pm
Of course not! When you live beachfront the Gu'mint gives you an air conditioned tornado proof house nowadays and provides you with all the goodies to go fishing while paying you the dole and not even reducing it when you cop royalties for everything, or even expect you to participate in WftD..
Now you are getting there - that Poor Boy in the big city can't buy no mod cons or even get a house... he couch surfs while waiting for the knife fight that might end him ... or his next all expenses paid visit to prison .... Comparative Prosperity, innit? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 11:36am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 2nd, 2024 at 1:46pm:
Nonsense of course, many are living 14 to a house, social dysfunction is rife, the gap is a national disgrace....and not everyonre lives beachfront, whether welfare dependent or not. Quote:
Regardless of "comparisons" of welfare-dependent poverty among particular groups, what is your solution? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:40pm
Aboriginal disaster - still trying to wade through a very long list to sort out exactly which one is under discussion here....
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:48pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 11:36am:
Well - WHY are they living fourteen to a house? Apart from their choice of 'extended family', you understand.... who creates their 'social dysfunction' that is much more widespread and tenacious in REMOTE communities than anywhere else .... nobody ever said they ALL live beachfront, sandy beaches, rum money every fortnight etc, house provided and no supervision - stop pouring bleach in your eyes, what part of 'compared to the Poor Boy in the city' says precisely that not all live 'beachfront' do you choose to FAIL to see... welfare dependent? You can move to find a job.... many prefer not to ... many prefer that lifestyle with money coming in regularly and then whining that is is never enough and more, more... most adhere to the PERSONAL AUTONOMY of choosing to spend their money the way they choose to.... you know .... when are YOU headed out there to preach to them the majesty of removing their personal autonomy/sovereignty and subordinating themselves to the State entirely in order to receive their handout of a 'universal wage' that will only serve to create inflation until any benefit is gone anyway? How many do you reckon you'll get on board with your theories? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:48pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:40pm:
Busy, busy, busy. A hate spreader's work is never done. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:54pm |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 2:43pm
GTTF doesn't understand, doesn't need to understand, doesn't want to understand.
Plagiarist GTTF receives the hate posts from his masters and retransmits them as his work. A hate spreaders work is never done. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 3:12pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 1:48pm:
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:26am
First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023
https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20women%20and%20children,a%20result%20of%20family%20violence. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Brian Ross on Jun 4th, 2024 at 1:53pm |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 4th, 2024 at 2:32pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 1:53pm: Out of control Aboriginal violence simply bores Bbwiyawn. He doesn't just ignore it. No. He makes the effort to express his contempt for and boredom with Aboriginal women and children who are abused and beaten by their men. Because he is educated and have worked with Abdul 20 years ago. Oh yes. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:08pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 2:43pm:
Is it similar to your terrorist supporting anti Jewish hate speech? If not phukk off you low life POS. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:10pm Boris wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:26am:
All good Boris - except the aren't and never have been "First Nations women and children". |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 5th, 2024 at 4:39pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 3:12pm:
Because the government has failed to ensure housing for everyone, since the post-Thatcher 'small government' ideology became mainstream, reducing the nation's public-housing stock and forcing-up prices in the private market. Quote:
...caused by family dysfunction - no "choice" involved - but entrenched socio-economic disadvantage. Quote:
We did, and it's our job to fix it. Note: the newly elected S.African, Indian, and Mexican governments are facing high unemployment and entrenched ppoverty, and just like you they haven't a clue how to fix it. Remote communities can be made to function successfully, but require the right government support - other than via the disastrous 'welfare'-based poverty industry beloved by you. Quote:
Unlike you I choose to see reality: most blacks who have not been destroyed by the poverty industry's enforced welfare dependency are begging for jobs. Quote:
Your ignorance of socio-economic disadvantage is egregious: I can move, but someone who has been destroyed by your vicious, imposed, welfare dependency can't. Quote:
Indeed, broken people often "choose" to spend their poverty rations on grog. Quote:
Funny seeing you arguing for broken people to have the 'right' to spend their poverty rations the way they want - in the name of 'autonomy'. Honest work doen't create inflation. In fact eradication of the poverty industry will reduce inflation, if basic services and infrastructure are supplied by the state, eg subsidization by the currency-issuing government of healthy food (of which there is ample supply in Oz) in remote areas will reduce expensive illness. Ditto for poverty-related crime. Quote:
I'm not sure; hopefully before the liberal democracies collapse into socio-economic dysfunction and hyper-partisanship, as poverty, homelessness and increasing inequality continue to soar, with neither side having a solution. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 6th, 2024 at 10:35am
They could always spread around a bit more and stop clinging to mummy's skirts... most people's extended families here live Australia-wide and remain part of a community.... and they buy their own homes in the main .... or pay rent on them where they can find work etc...
What's the difference? **My nephew is half-Bleck - he has a home, family, job, car, beautiful wife and kids, and a normal life..... sorry he went off the rails of your entrenched ideology, you New Conservative you. Time to let go of the old ways, you know - actually bring them forward ... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 6th, 2024 at 12:02pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 6th, 2024 at 10:35am:
The difference is that welfare dependency is a one way street to social and econmomic disaster. - and mnaintaining the gap. Quote:
You don't understand macro-economic forces which affect different people in different ways; high unemployment is always associated with increasing socio economic dysfunction and crime. Quote:
Agreed. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 6th, 2024 at 8:10pm
No it's not.
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 6th, 2024 at 11:35pm
It would be unusual that there would be a need for 14 people to live together, given the indigenous people have priority housing. It was not even a month ago when I watched a news article about the Northern Territory government building new houses in the aboriginal community to alleviate homelessness. They would not be homeless if they did not wreck the homes in the first place.
The social dysfunction is the fault of indigenous people wanting to hang on to a culture of tribalism and hunter-gatherers, whilst living off the taxpayers. Since the end of apartheid, there was a short-term upswing in the prosperity of South Africa, with new investment and trade from other countries taking place. Since then, we have seen government disorder and corruption, and black outs being commonplace through the South African region. Most South African blacks did not have ancestors any further back than great-grandparents in South Africa. Many black South Africans are descendants of Africans who came to South Africa after the start of the 20th century. The Mexican government will have to settle for low-wages as a way to get foreign investors to commit to the Mexican industries. I have no considerable idea how Indians will get out of their self-inflicted poverty. But, their first strategy would be to not have 5 children per family. Boasting about being the most populated country in the world is not something to be proud. Especially when more people want to leave there for a better life. Indigenous people genuinely go out and get jobs. But their unemployment rate is around 12%. It is not difficult to achieve that sort of unemployment rate when the government automatically deem you unemployable and put you on $45,000 a year. Would you work anywhere if you were being paid that amount each year and you only had to pay a small amount in rent? Quote:
I can relate to PTSD conditions being treated with alcohol consumption. But, if you are in the dumps with being "broken", you would probably treat the cause of the problem before you treat yourself to a bottle of spirits. By the way, healthy food is already quite cheap for most people. The problem is that most people eat junk food for the taste. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by mothra on Jun 7th, 2024 at 3:20am
The levels of sheer ignorance on this forum continue to unsettle me.
The prejudice arising from it continues to disgust me. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on Jun 7th, 2024 at 7:32am mothra wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 3:20am:
As of 30 June 2021, there were 984,000 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, representing 3.8% of the total Australian population. Many sources report over-representation of Indigenous offenders at all stages of the criminal justice system. As of September 2019, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners represented 28% of the total adult prisoner population, while accounting for 3.3% of the general population. Despite making up just 3.8 percent of the general population, Indigenous people account for nearly a third (31.8 percent) of the prisoners in Australia. 3 Apr 2024 — Latest figures indicate that the Aboriginal imprisonment rate in NSW is nearly 10 times the non-Aboriginal imprisonment rate |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:14am Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 7:32am:
We understand you get a little chub every time you quote the stats, but if you don't want to support any policy or legislation that can help improve the stats, then what's the point? Most men are problem solvers by nature. Most women just want to be heard. It's been tested time and time again, and until I was in my 40's I never understood this. Now when my wife or daughters come to me with a problem, I ask them, do you want help solving this, or do you just want to talk about it? It's made a world of difference. So, do you want to solve this problem, or do you want to just gossip about it, you big girl? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:25am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:14am:
The problem cannot be solved. Just as Commo wankers want to destroy the world - people like you - the reality is they will never change. Aborigines will never change and will always be violent and dangerous and lawless - just like Communists like you will always be mindless idiots who worship Stalin and Mao. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:31am Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:25am:
Settle... So you don't want to solve the problem, you don't think the problem can be solved, you just want to attack Indigenous Australians at every chance? At least we cleared the air, thanks. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:46am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:14am:
It is a problem for Aborigines to solve. Aboriginal domestic violence is highestvwhere traditional Aboriginal nor mms and values are maintained. Middle class, westernized, urban Aborigines who do not live by traditional Aboriginal values behave, by definition, like everyone else. That is what acculturation means. It is the same with every other demographic- the more they cling to traditional values from their source culture, the more they offend against the norms of modern, western, Australian norms, be they from rural Afganistan, Araby, India or Africa. A mere 50 years ago European peasants from th South held to traditional male 'rights' to belt the women. In Italy delitto d’onore, honour kiling, was still on the statute books until 1981, treating offenders extremely leniently. Aborigines must abandon the crappiest, cruelest, most backward and primitive aspects of their traditions. Urban Aborigines have largely done so already, it's the remote ones, the ones least touched by th ed civilising effects of colonisation, that behave abominable towards each other. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:53am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:31am:
It is what it is - a problem that can never be solved - the same as Communists like you |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:54am Frank wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:46am:
They have to stop being Aborigines. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:58am Frank wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:46am:
So what can we do to help? How can we assist them in solving the problem? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 7th, 2024 at 9:45am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:58am:
What have 'we' done for the acculturated, assimilated Aborigines? We let them assimilate. We gave them the opportunity to shape their own lives. There is not much else anyone can do. 'We' have done everything we can. Now they have to do what they need to do. Self-directing, personal autonomy are important. Staying traditional Aborigines is not an option. Nor can 'We' revert to some Aboriginality, to try to meet them half way. There is no half way. Just as you can't live as if it was 1787 in Cork or Inverness or Calcutta, you can't stay a tribal, traditional Aborigine. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 7th, 2024 at 10:08am Frank wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 9:45am:
Ok, so why the constant regurgitation of the stats and pointing to all the problems, what are those collective posters trying to achieve if there is nothing more that "we" can do? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 7th, 2024 at 10:18am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 10:08am:
Why? To point out the obvious - Aborigines must change themselves, not always bleat about gimme, gimme and then change nothing. They are not treating each other abominably because of what YOU do or do not do. You and I do not matter in this, so don't try to muscle in and try to take fake responsibility for something you have zero role in. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 7th, 2024 at 10:23am Frank wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 10:18am:
So they must change themselves, it has nothing to do with us, so again, why the constant posting about it? As you say in the same post, it's not happening because some what YOU or I do or do not do. So what's the point if we have zero role in it? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on Jun 7th, 2024 at 10:50am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:58am:
You're joking right? ::) Successive LNP and ALP govts have been bending over backwards for over 50 years trying to solve the problem. All sorts of ideas, programs and billions of dollars have been thrown at the problem... & they are never enough or good enough and the problem persists. Why is it that all these academics/professionals/ politicians/experts & activists haven't been able to come up with something workable in that time? It's time for the excuse making to cease and for the Aboriginal people to step up to the plate and take some responsibility. The constant line of we were here first and you took everything and now owe us everything aka pay the rent, so we can sit on our collective arses and do nothing to help ourselves also needs to cease. Time for the largest cargo cult in the world to be weaned off all the money for nothing and the booze for free.(apologies Dire Straits). |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on Jun 7th, 2024 at 10:52am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 10:23am:
Because we are paying for it you foolish marsupial |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 7th, 2024 at 11:33am mothra wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 3:20am:
And you are part of the prejudice and ignorance. Trust me, I have lived around the issue for most of my life. And now my parents have to put up with the consequences of racist government policies that took place since the Hawke government implemented them. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 7th, 2024 at 11:37am Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 7:32am:
If the courts convicted indigenous people at the same standards of convictions that are meted out to non-indigenous offenders, indigenous people would account for 50% of prisoners. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 7th, 2024 at 11:53am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 6th, 2024 at 8:10pm:
You forgotten how to address posts which you imagine you are refuting? Try this: The difference is that welfare dependency is a one way street to social and economic disaster - and maintaining the gap. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 7th, 2024 at 11:59am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:58am:
Get rid of the poverty industry and its entrenched welfare dependency. That requires the state to implement a Job Guarantee. Google it if you want to learn more. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 7th, 2024 at 12:14pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 10:23am:
The point is to refute your endless, inane stance: what can everybody ELSE do for Aborigines. The point is to highlight, even as it is ignored again and again, the real question: what can Aborigines do to end their abominable treatment of each other? What can Aborigines do? What are Aborigines responsible for? Scapegoating yourself - what can we do - without ever asking what Aborigines can do, is stupid and offensive. Your labelling it wacist to even ask it is doubly so. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 7th, 2024 at 12:18pm Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 8:25am:
Not while your dysfuntional neoclassical economic orthodoxy remains in place. Hint: there is no actual scarcity of essential goods and service today, unlike in Adam Smith's era of largely agricultural subsistence economies before the Industrial Revolution. Quote:
Er....your dysfunctional obsolete neoclassical orthodoxy is THE proplem today. "Commo wankers" were inspired by Marx who addressed the injustices of the Industrial Revolution - a revolution in production of goods which rendered Adam Smith's 'invisible hand' of bootmakers and bakers all freely competing with oneanother totally anachronistic. Quote:
Wrong on both counts: some blacks are negotiating the modern world succesfully; and "commies" these days don't worship Stalin and Mao. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 7th, 2024 at 12:24pm Frank wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 12:14pm:
That's the same as asking what can Australians do to end the egregious DV and sexual harassment epidemic sweeping the country. Peter Costello got very upset when asked that question.... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 7th, 2024 at 1:38pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
Yeah, parrot, what are YOU doing about it? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 7th, 2024 at 2:03pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
Well - the NT coroner has made a start in pinning it squarely on one demographic of about 10% of the overall community perpetrating 93% of the domestic killings. Who said there is some 'epidemic' of DV and 'sexual harassment' sweeping the country? There's always some intergalactic plague or an Arkillian battlecruiser off planet waiting to destroy Earth... There are no more 'dv' things than usual, the 'definition of 'dv' is itself abused and abusive - and 'sexual harassment'? Where did you draw that one from? The Ballarat murder (as it appears at this time to be), for example - is a murder - it is not 'dv' and it is not 'sexual harassment' - stop riding on the coat tails of emotional silliness. Until you stop portraying women as perpetual victims so as to offer them unfair advantages everywhere, you will never have a civilised society - only one founded on violence and abuse and discrimination .. and violent imposition by government will only exacerbate the environment of violence. I suppose next you're going to try to tell us they suffer a 'wage gap' despite the real figures? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 7th, 2024 at 2:32pm Frank wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 12:14pm:
Yall have been circle jerking with these claims well before I entered the chat... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 7th, 2024 at 2:36pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
There is a big crossover with those shedding tears when any assistance is provided to Indigenous Australians and those taking issue with announcements for money being spent to help women and children who were victims of domestic violence and programs introduced to help prevent it. They'll cry about anything that doesn't benefit them directly, calling anyone who doesn't agree a communist. And even then, like laws around drink driving and being forced to wear seatbelts, even when the changes does benefit them, they still cry and complain about communism. Seems like selfish old boomers having a sook and trying to attack and put others down to feel better about themselves. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 7th, 2024 at 4:20pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 2:32pm:
You and your inane stance are emblematic of the empty headed, preening white guilt merchants. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:33pm Frank wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 4:20pm:
I just don't see the point in the almost obsessive compulsion to keep posting about it when those posting have made it clear they don't care about the victims of the abuse and not only claim there is no solution to it, but fight against any attempts that those in a position to help try to make. It is an entirely pointless and unhealthy endeavour on their, and your behalf. Unless there is some other motive that the group of you are unwilling to admit? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:49pm
Aborigines will never change and will always be violent and dangerous and lawless.
Go live in the NT and work with them and see for yourselves. They are 2% Neanderthal and 6% Denisovan and 92% Human. Humans went to Europe after the Neanderthal died out 35,000 years ago and Aborigines have been in Australia for 50,000 years and never left the Palaeolithic stone age - never domesticated animals or build permanent homes or used metals or planted crops. Whereas in Europe Humans left the Palaeolithic age and entered the Neolithic age, the Copper Age, the Bronze Age and the Iron Age and the Industrial Age - in 35,000 years while Aborigines here raped and murdered and ate women and children - even babies. They are not going to change - they have not changed in 50,000 years and continue raping and murdering women and babies. It is what it is. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Boris on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:50pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 12:18pm:
Wrong on both counts: some blacks are negotiating the modern world succesfully; and "commies" these days don't worship Stalin and Mao. [/quote] You are a deluded fool |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on Jun 7th, 2024 at 6:44pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 2:32pm:
Seems like you're the only jerk having a wank |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on Jun 7th, 2024 at 6:47pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 12:18pm:
Wrong on both counts: some blacks are negotiating the modern world succesfully; and "commies" these days don't worship Stalin and Mao. [/quote] No you worship Xi Jinping .... same same - maybe worse. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 7th, 2024 at 7:17pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:33pm:
You truly are a deeply deluded person. Now then - how about something solid out of all that empty rhetoric instead of trying to shift it all on to those who dare to comment reality about it? Where are YOUR solutions apart from flapping your gums? That reminds me ... 76-81.... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 8th, 2024 at 12:09am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 7:17pm:
And you don't seem to be able to read. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 8th, 2024 at 12:35am ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2024 at 12:09am:
I can read perfectly clearly - you can't stand being told the truth so you attack the messengers... clear as a bell.... and you and all those like you do nothing to 'help' - all you do is attack the messengers, bizarrely claiming that they don't care but must have some deep racist reason for telling the truth ... why would they try to make your kind of bleach blind see reality and simple facts if they don't care? ....and where exactly are these people in a position to 'help' and actually doing something? What is it they are DOING? NAME THEM! You are quite simply bat crazy. 76-81 means the NT has far more Aboriginal women killed than All Others - 93% by about 10% of the total population up there, compared to 7% by all demographics including your mates, since they cannot be excluded from deaths of OTHER groups of women. The certainty is that a proper breakdown of the figures for all other states and territories will paint a similar picture of an excessively high rate in that demographic.... and in child neglect and abuse and so on, not to mention crime of various kinds. 61-39 says the Australian people voted against any special voice and all it demanded - which means that neither the federal government nor the state governments have any right whatsoever to persist with trying to push those things such as treaties and gifting of rights etc through. You call the Australian people victims - they certainly are when their rights in a democracy are ridden over by their own 'government' .... that is called tyranny and is a hallmark of your kind of communo-fascist. No government or agency has the right to hand around what is held in trust by them for all the people to its mates, as if by some feudal right. They are NOT our feudal lords - they are our servants. I'll say it again - you are simply bat crazy, bone stupid, big mouthed, and uncomprehendingly Communo-Fascist as well as backward and feudally minded - and have zero respect for women, suffering Aboriginal women children and men, and for our Constitution and the rights of all Australians to tell their 'governments' where to get off. You are a Fascist and as bat crazy as any such. That's just me being nice... sorry - I'll come on much stronger next time and say it like it really is.... Chew on this, Sacka:- https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-05/tandi124.pdf |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on Jun 9th, 2024 at 12:36pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
Nearly $40 billion a year is not just "any assistance" you fool. And neither does it include the mining royalty payments made to certain Aboriginal groups in the areas where they operate .... that's another tax free wad of cash they get .... so why hasn't decades & multi $millions of royalty payments in Gove, Groote Eylandt, Weipa, Jabiru, the Pilbara etc. helped traditional Aboriginal people close the GAP? When is enough enough? What is enough? Seems you are clueless in that regard. ::) |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 9th, 2024 at 12:52pm Gnads wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 12:36pm:
Because the government like you follows obsolete neoliberal 'invisible hand' market orthodoxy, and hence is committed to maintaining the poverty industry's welfare dependency program, resulting in most of that $40 billion ending up in the pockets of bureaucrats and community "leaders". Quote:
When everyone has paid work, with an above-poverty level minimum wage. Quote:
Mirror time? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 9th, 2024 at 1:04pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:33pm:
Government efforts are evidently futile because Aborigines are not doing their bit. Yet there is endless special pleading for more 'help'. But the help is wasted, mismanaged or swindled because the abuse, the drinking, the child neglect - things ENTIRELY within Aborigines' individual and collective power to change or not - continues unabated and irrespective of any government 'help'. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 9th, 2024 at 1:23pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:33pm:
They are vicious 'personal responsibility' types who don't want to see resources directed to improving the socio- economic circumstances of marginalized or disadvantaged groups. They even resort to denying the existance of disadvantage. Trouble is the current system of government-"assistance" (which they despise) is based on an ineffective, wasteful poverty industry aka 'welfare', in lieu of provision of work for all with an above-poverty minimum wage. They will run rings around you until you understand this. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 9th, 2024 at 1:46pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 2:03pm:
Yep, like I said, denialism won't achieve anything. Quote:
Bingo - conservative denialism first up - do you not access media at all? Quote:
No more than usual = no problem then.... Quote:
I didn't say it was DV; (sigh) it's not easy debating you 'personal responsibility' types who can't even think clearly. Quote:
Interestingly, women 'want a life' as well these days; almost no-one wants kids yet women are stuck with it. Could indeed be the cause of the current publicity about DV and sexual harrassment, as women are trying to develop their own careers and demand men take on some house duties. Quote:
Good to see you make a correct statement (as amended...). |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 9th, 2024 at 3:03pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
Mutual obligation will be reintroduced in a revived work-for-the-dole scheme that was intended to steer 40,000 Indigenous Australians towards meaningful activities but has been voluntary for the past three years. The Australian understands only about one in four “participants” in the federal work-for-the dole scheme are doing any approved work or activities in exchange for fortnightly benefits. The scheme, called the Commonwealth Development Program, is virtually dormant in many of the 1000 communities where it technically operates. Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney told The Weekend Australian that leaders in remote communities were telling her they wanted the new scheme to have mutual obligations. “One of the really strong principles of Aboriginal culture is reciprocity. I get the very strong sense that part of the desire for mutual obligations goes to that notion of reciprocity. Of course, the ultimate mutual obligation is real jobs, and you’ve got to turn up to get paid,” Ms Burney said. “But what we’re seeing in some communities is very few people turning up for the CDP, because there is no financial obligation and it is voluntary, and that’s not good. That’s not healthy.” |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on Jun 9th, 2024 at 5:52pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 12:52pm:
Mirror time? [/quote] There's your biggest wank yet, absolute tossers ideologue salad. In the hands of Community Leaders? ... well isn't that where it's supposed to go? Don't they share and look after community? Proves one thing ... that you have no idea & that you rail against people who tell you, calling them racists, that the "tribal big men" and in places "women in council" take all the money and only share with their closest kin. So you dopey twat how does that get dealt with? without people being called racists for wanting to audit, impose interventions & the like? Decades of vast amounts of money, assistance, specific tax payer funded programs & supply of resources ... and where mining occurs decades of royalties without any significant progress in any area to improve housing, health, education & reduction of crime, sexual abuse of minors and domestic violence. You are a waste of space Manuel Sad Kangaroo. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on Jun 9th, 2024 at 5:54pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
There's the circle jerk right there ..... you and the Sad marsupial. ;D |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 9th, 2024 at 6:37pm
If you were paid $45,000 a year in welfare, would you really work? If your rent was $4,000 a year, would you work?
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Valkie on Jun 11th, 2024 at 5:21pm
ALL WELFARE MUST BE STOPPED.
You either work or starve. That will quickly fix a lot of problems. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:24pm Valkie wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
Excellent points. And since democratic governments cannot survive with starvation among citizens, then a Job Guarantee will need to be made law, despite gnads bleating about "circle-jerks". https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/ The Case for a Job Guarantee |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:33pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
The Australian understands only about one in four “participants” in the federal work-for-the dole scheme are doing any approved work or activities in exchange for fortnightly benefits. The scheme, called the Commonwealth Development Program, is virtually dormant in many of the 1000 communities where it technically operates. Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney told The Weekend Australian that leaders in remote communities were telling her they wanted the new scheme to have mutual obligations. “One of the really strong principles of Aboriginal culture is reciprocity. I get the very strong sense that part of the desire for mutual obligations goes to that notion of reciprocity. Of course, the ultimate mutual obligation is real jobs, and you’ve got to turn up to get paid,” Ms Burney said. “But what we’re seeing in some communities is very few people turning up for the CDP, because there is no financial obligation and it is voluntary, and that’s not good. That’s not healthy.” Soooo... they all want a job, they just don't want to work. :'( |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:57pm Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
A Job Guarantee is NOT a work for the dole scheme. Do your homework before you spout nonsense from the Australian. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 12th, 2024 at 4:22pm
Well - Sea Women is a Job Guarantee type thing.... albeit one with a good use - the trouble with a 'job guarantee scheme' in I-Solated Places is that there are no Jobs to Guarantee. (If they see a certain type of fish swimming on its own it could be labeled an isolated plaice......)
Reciprocity, you say? Does that mean that a 'Treaty' actually gives benefits all ways and not just one? I'll be buggared... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Frank on Jun 12th, 2024 at 4:31pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 1:57pm:
Well, it is a guaranteed job until you get another job. It is also training to be job ready: get up on time, get ready, shower, shave, follow instructions, get life skills etc. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 12th, 2024 at 4:51pm
My idea for refugee claimants is that while they wait we put them on a Scheme where they work, learn skills, earn and pay taxes and learn our ways... while helping build infrastructure here - and developing skills they can transport back home if they are rejected.... or use f they remain here ... all processing to be Onshore....
Not sure Islamist bar tender would go over well.... Taliban National Firearms Registry Clerk ..... As for the Wild Bunch who play up ... We could do the same with our intransigent loafers (not a pair of shoes), including ship them off to Afghanistan or whatever ... all those Hamas supporters - on the boats to Gaza NOW!! |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 13th, 2024 at 11:50am Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2024 at 4:31pm:
Believe it or not, you are correct (blow me down...), but why do I suspect you didn't actually research the Job Guarantee literature...... Note: a JG is a variable employment scheme, designed to complement variable employment in the regular job market, so that a governement can maintain full employment in all macro-economic circumstances (regardless of the 'business cycle'). Now indeed in some circumstances the jobs are likely to be long term, in the absence of regular long term private /public sector jobs (eg in small or remote communities.) Quote:
Blow me down, you HAVE done some home-work; all of that, plus an above poverty minimum wage, eradicating the bureaucrat-serving poverty industry (aka "welfare") forever. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 13th, 2024 at 6:07pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 11:50am:
Ah - so it still doesn't have to be a Job - but it's simply enough to be a 'job' ... kind of transgender self-identified... trans-job or something... :o ... Trainee Job Exerter/Exerciser, Class 1 - remuneration in accordance with P.S. Salaries Tribunal rates..... applications are sought from ATSI people, non-English Speaking Backgrounders, Transvestites Unlimited, and Women as an Oppressed, Child-like Class Needing Perpetual Support. Please note that there are no educational of physical requirements for this position, and all will be considered on merit or demerit of their application and work history, with lower capabilities and experience being the primary criteria. Variable hours of work and actual contribution to a given project do not affect salary in any way. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:41pm |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 14th, 2024 at 4:00pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 2:41pm: I watched that news segment on ABC news last night. I was wondering if it was an indigenous mother that killed her children. Then the newsreader gave the warning that the following has images of indigenous children that have died. Yep... But then the news story went on about the children drowning. The argument was that the mother neglected to look after them. I found it quite unusual that the mother would be held responsible for her children's stupid decisions, regardless of how young they were. The argument being that Leanne did not care to watch over her sons for a considerable amount of time. 53 years old? Ms Eatts certainly had her last two children very late in life. And her eldest son died whilst Ms Eatts was in custody for the manslaughter charge. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 14th, 2024 at 5:32pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 4:00pm:
Not a strong breed. Clearly something wrong there in their nurturing. Funny case - without all the evidence given a bit hard to work out. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 14th, 2024 at 5:50pm
Still wondering which Aboriginal Disaster to choose from to start with.... so many disasters ... so little time...
Sacka here can't even see the difference between the NT and Wackerstralia... how is the rump of Australia to get the message across when so many living here don't even know where they live in the country? :-[ Best tweak that a little - Soeghetto ... maybe South Western Australia Ghetto (Swaghetto or SOWGHETTO) for the once great Perth Region... now it will be small ghettoes of Whartes surrounded by Blecks, box tickers, and fellow running dogs... all imagining they are on some great Crusade to free the country of Macca's and money and cars and such... I say give 'em what they want.... Abestine sounds good... some didn't like Aborassic Park - sounded too much like an electronic zoo - so let's give 'em the Two State Solution. ![]() |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 15th, 2024 at 1:00pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 13th, 2024 at 6:07pm:
You are dementing - or fraudulent, not good in either case: a Job Guarantee job is defined as useful work which the community wants done, paid at the above-poverty minimum wage, available when the regular job market fails to maintain full employment. Quote:
Not a Job Guarantee job. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 17th, 2024 at 3:15pm
"Job Guarantee job is defined as useful work which the community wants done" ..
Ah - so it's open to suggestion? Hi - I'm your local Hob Nob Evaluator .... I've come to check on how uppity your extended family are getting... just a few simple questions... ... but..... but...... but...... your idea of society is that the people have no sovereignty over defining what is and what isn't 'useful work' that the community wants done ... it's up to the government to hand down decrees ... Neo-Fascio Feudalism, yes? Anyway - sounds more to me like a 'get out of work free' card - with a 'community' defining what it wants as work... Erryl - 'e wanna be a Layabout.. Thairown - he wanna git 'pprenticship in songline building.. 'e got grounding in Whale Rider, you know.... dat doco on dat girl ridin' the whales in da East Islands ... got us a Whale Singer Listener Whisperer woman here like dat.... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 17th, 2024 at 4:41pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 3:15pm:
Like Frank, you need to do some research on the Job Guarantee: local councils will have a list of jobs which the local community wants done - outside of the regular job market to maintain full employemt in the community regardless of the business cycle and macroeconomic conditions. Quote:
Refuted above: the people through their local council will determine what they want done in their local community, when the regular job market fails to employ everyone. Quote:
Spoken like true blind 'survival of the fittest' ideologue. At least Yadda, who started this exchange, had the guts to tell the truth: "ALL WELFARE MUST BE STOPPED; you either work or starve." ...though he didn't think it through; some don't have the capacity/ability to succeed as entrepreneurs in the competitive neoliberal market. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 17th, 2024 at 5:21pm
Anyway - to some real work..... jobs require a solid economy - and our economy needs a lot of work....
Now then - it must be a state election year..... the 'courts' are actually beginning to state clearly and unequivocally what the real meaning of 'Native Title' is - clearly they've got the message that you don't just say - "Here - here's a swathe of land - it's now your land under native title' - and leave every door open wide for every ratbag to jump up and down and order cops not to enter 'their land' and so forth, order other people not to cross etc... brandish spears and clubs and knives etc at 'trespassers' ... clearly - even in sunny Queenslund where they do things diff'runtly - mark their words - the Labor government has found the need to make it clear that Native Title means:- "The non-exclusive title rights mean the Kabi Kabi people have the right to hunt and camp in the area, but not to control access or the use of an area. Non-Indigenous people still have a right to use the land under the non-exclusive native title, and those who own properties or homes in the areas will not be affected." "The native land title rights recognises the Indigenous group's rights to 'access, be present on, move about on and travel over the area'." "Justice Collier told the court the decision did not confer on the native title holders "possession, occupation, use or enjoyment to the exclusion of all others, including other interests as defined in the judgement and which continue to have effect". The native title rights and interests are subject to the laws of the state and the Commonwealth as well as the traditional laws and customs observed by the native title holders." Of course, Common Law over-rides 'traditional laws and customs'.... has to ... you can't have an 'Aboriginal Elder Court' saying that some bloke who stole a car was only borrowing it to get home via 'sharing' etc, or that it was all right to shop-lift because that was just another form of 'hunter gathering'....... and you can't have a local tribal group say they want some guy speared over telling some Tribaler to put out his fire and get off his land and such.... One Law For All - All Laws For One!... Or No Law At All! Time they woke up and clearly explained all those things instead of their open slather wimp approach of the past - it seems the unrest amongst the majority is starting to creep through in an election year... time to keep the bastards on the run now.... teach the Gauleiters, Reichsleiters and Kommissars where they all get off.... "Hey you - you've missed your stop.... it was two stops ago at Barking - now you're two stops past Barking... that'll be an extra fifty pounds and a stint in an insane asylum and loss of salary." About time some of these 'shadow government' overpaid arseholes were brought to heel... the sad part is it takes a lot of blood sweat and tears of far too many, and the fear of a coming election - to get these dick-heads even started on the right track. There'll be no more open-ended 'judicial activism' or woosy comments or plain bad decisions .... clearly they've heard the thunder.... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 17th, 2024 at 10:46pm
I want to see the government be more frugal about their spending. But I don't want people to starve. You will see crime rates raise considerably with people trying to avoid hunger.
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:07pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 10:46pm:
Unless the fools in the Gaga Strip actually start to work on the economy in a realistic way - things will only get worse. There is an upper limit to 'social security' and what the nation can bear (unless you're a politician or a fat cat PS where the market is as much as it will bear and then some)... and at some point given the rise and rise of the Rental Reich, many people will be reduced to the poorest living. At that point a massive 'underworld' will be created - and money will be made in any way.... a kind of reversion to the Roaring Twenties and then The Great Depression... I'm afraid, Rocky, that you will be seeing much the same again ..... and then there will be wars and rumours of wars.... and it won't take zombies to bring it about - zombies are nothing more than a parable for the Walking Dead... those 'economically non-viable!' |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:30pm
William Foster saw the protester outside the bank. What was noteworthy was that the protester and Bill were both wearing the same kind of clothing. Bill found that he too was deemed "not economically viable" due to the redundancy of his job in building missiles. The Cold War was over, and so too was his job. And whilst he started to notice his surroundings crumbling, he fought back at those that slighted him, and those that tried to kill him.
It is difficult to find a parallel of a character in the movie with that of the subject of ceasing welfare. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:49pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:30pm:
When the many are 'not economically viable' they will turn to crime...... an underworld will develop again.... more than it is already given that there are some drawn by the lure of easy money.... easy if you don't end up dead.... I was watching a military secrets thing last night and the discussion was about Islamist development of atomic weapons etc - with the suggestion that enough money would draw someone, a retired US nuke sub guy or some Western European scientist - to get into it for them... you'd be crazy - your reward would not be the promised millions but a hole in the head. Mossad took out some Western European scientist working for the Islamists....... I'm surprised the Hamas leadership is still in this world with us.... surely Israel isn't waiting for the ISS to arrest them??? |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 18th, 2024 at 1:30pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
Your first point (re solid economy) is correct, the 2nd ignores the dysfunction built into our neoliberal 'welfare' economy. Carry on. It's sad that the Left these days is also deluded by the neoliberal welfare economy which insists governments have to be fiscally "frugal" , when the real issue (for currency-issuing goverment) is the sustainable mobilization of the nation's resources, not fiscal frugality. Hence Labor's primary vote is plummeting and Albo is in trouble; while Sky News is trying to convince us the Coalition will solve the current cost of living crisis - the ultimate bad joke. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 19th, 2024 at 7:57am
Here's some more real work for you weeds:-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/a-senate-inquiry-into-missing-and-murdered-first-nations-women-and-children-wrapped-up-this-week-here-s-what-you-need-to-know/ar-BB1osU2o?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=bc5c2b54b7f64202834357a3f51908e4&ei=12&sc=shoreline "ABC News (AU) A Senate inquiry into missing and murdered First Nations women and children wrapped up this week. Here's what you need to know "For years, Darumbal and South Sea Islander woman Amy McQuire has sat in courtrooms listening to the harrowing stories of families crying out for answers about loved ones who have vanished from their lives – some as young as four years old. "If you go to any Aboriginal community, you'll hear stories like this where their loved ones have been killed and there hasn't been a follow through," the post-doctoral Indigenous fellow at the Queensland University of Technology said. Triggered by stories like this, almost two years ago, a Senate inquiry into missing and murdered First Nations women and children was established after Yamatji-Noongar woman and Greens senator Dorinda Cox brought a motion to parliament. After 87 submissions and many traumatic stories shared by First Nations advocates and families across five states and territories, the last hearing was held in Melbourne on Tuesday. Dr McQuire said the scale of the issue was "huge" and must be addressed at a systemic level. "What's happening with these specific cases of women disappearing is that they are seen as isolated cases, so you don't see the patterns," she said. She said there needed to be more honest discussions about the violence First Nations women and children were experiencing. "Violence is only spoken about in one way and it's always black-on-black violence and black men being perpetrators, but when [Aboriginal people] speak about violence, it's very different." "There has to be a national movement to understand what's happening, but it has to be led by Aboriginal families in memory of their loved ones." Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people make up 20 per cent of homicide victims in Australia, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, despite representing only 3.8 per cent of the population. Almost a fifth of those victims are children. And First Nations women are 33 times more likely to be hospitalised and six times more likely to die due to family violence in comparison to non-Indigenous women. It was only two weeks ago that the Queensland deputy state coroner said it "may never be known" how 36-year-old Brisbane mother Constance Watcho died. Her body was found in a sports bag at the bottom of a popular walking track in Kangaroo Point. She had been missing for 10 months and when her family reported her missing in 2018, the local police marked her case as "medium risk". More - do some work for yourselves. I passed my 3/4 century yesterday - I'm going back to bed.... do some work, you lazy dolts... and get with the program or get off the lifeboat.... better still - get ON the next boat in my Reverse Boat People Program... a companion piece with Aborassic Park/Two State Solution/Abestine/Gondwanamo Bay and On a Midnight Drear in a Dark Desert from a Black Chopper... little bit of road clearance on a dark desert highway never hurt nobody... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 19th, 2024 at 12:42pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 7:57am:
You rightly point to the disaster, and conclude with some waffle you imagine will solve the probelem. In the end, there are only two possible courses of action: higher taxes to make the poverty industry work, or a Job Guarantee funded by free public money, ie money issued by the Oz treasury, rather than funded by taxpayer money. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by SadKangaroo on Jun 19th, 2024 at 1:07pm
But providing assistance or money is Lawfare and the Voice by stealth... /s
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Gnads on Jun 19th, 2024 at 1:37pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14th, 2024 at 4:00pm:
3 & 5 ..... you have to be joking right? A parent doesn't leave their children this young roam off unsupervised. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 19th, 2024 at 2:23pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 1:07pm:
Care to rephrase that? The poverty industry aka 'welfare' (providing money/ assistance) isn't "Lawfare", it's dysfunctional mainstream economics. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 19th, 2024 at 2:40pm ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 1:07pm:
**sighs** It depends on what demands are in play, son. Do I have to spoon feed you every day? Stop wasting everyone's time trying to be a smart-arse and running yourself in circles and trying to pose ridiculous situations when you know the reality. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 19th, 2024 at 2:44pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
Sorry for making the effort with you..... clearly your English is as bad as your reasoning. |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 19th, 2024 at 2:45pm
I see you pair of garden weeds managed to get away from the real and crying issue out there and into your own personal head problems almost instantly.....
Let me just explain it to you gently - with as little petroleum jelly as possible - keeping people in a situation of incipient poverty and near-devastation can indeed be a component of lawfare ... in many ways - but you'd need an entire dissertation rather than your smart-arsed single line snaps to clear it up for you - so stick with the real issues - you'll get a lot further without wasting time for everyone. FYI I am the only one highly trained in snap shooting without sights... and I am over fifty years out of practice... |
Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jun 19th, 2024 at 5:10pm
We now return you to our normal program....
Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 7:57am:
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Title: Re: This Aboriginal Disaster Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 20th, 2024 at 11:34am Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 2:44pm:
No insight as usual: "cutting advice to dorks about their behaviour" completely ignores the reality of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage and its egregious consequences. Not everyone can quietly subsist in entrenched poverty, nor know how to escape it. Quote:
That appears to be SK's proposition, but it's only "lawfare" to the extent the poverty industry aka 'welfare' is law. ("It's the economy, stupid!"). |
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