Permanent migration cap lifted to 195,000
An additional 35,000 skilled migrants will be able to call Australia home in this financial year, after Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neill confirmed the annual permanent migration target would increase from 160,000 to 195,000.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/permanent-migration-cap-lifted-to-195000/news-story/ca8e4bbd6041008402e180a2d9fc6827




AI technology is forecast to replace as much as half of the work that is done today by 2030.

A 2019 McKinsey & Co report on automation in Australia laid out just how quickly industries are set to change.

The authors said by 2030 as many as 5 million Australians may need to change their occupation because of automation, with WA's East Pilbara, Penrith in western Sydney, Mackay in Queensland, West Coast in Tasmania and Port Pirie north of Adelaide among the most exposed local government areas.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-28/artificial-intelligence-policy-australia-jobs-summit/101366726




Investing in Australians’ education is far more important than immigration in resolving the nation’s skills shortages, according to leading economists surveyed in the lead-up to this week’s jobs and skills summit.

The 50 top Australian economists polled by the Economic Society of Australia and The Conversation are recognised by their peers as leaders in their fields, including economic modelling, labour markets and public policy.

Asked to select from a list of topics to be discussed at the summit, and which offered the most promise of delivering better outcomes, two-thirds picked “education and skills”. Only one-third picked “migration policy”.
https://theconversation.com/is-education-or-immigration-the-answer-to-our-skills-shortage-we-asked-50-economists-189388

Share ye links and bicker.

Elon Musk is hoping to establish a colony on Mars.....
......probably because he knows, that there isn't very much intelligent life on this planet.         :P



Most of the human beings on this planet are insane [irrational], imo.   [i.e. most of them are happy to tolerate LAWLESSNESS.]

It must be The End Times bobby ?

The Libs and Labs are running on artificial intelligence, that's all they've got left ... they need life-support

Have to agree with Frank here... educating our own is far more important than bringing in 'dilutees' with half the skills to fill the gaps artificially created.

I ask again - why are there so many nursing graduates who cannot get a job with NSW Health while they bring in Outlanders with 'skills'?

Why are universities permitted to bring in full fee paying Outlanders to study top grade disciplines to the detriment of local talent that often cannot afford the tuition?

Governments here have zero problem with establishing quotas for all those they love to love - what about quotas for our very own first?

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2022 at 11:25pm:

The Libs and Labs are running on artificial intelligence, that's all they've got left ... they need life-support

Or a good hanging....

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 12:03am:

Have to agree with Frank here... educating our own is far more important than bringing in 'dilutees' with half the skills to fill the gaps artificially created. I ask again - why are there so many nursing graduates who cannot get a job with NSW Health while they bring in Outlanders with 'skills'? Why are universities permitted to bring in full fee paying Outlanders to study top grade disciplines to the detriment of local talent that often cannot afford the tuition? Governments here have zero problem with establishing quotas for all those they love to love - what about quotas for our very own first?

Blair in the UK, then Gillard here, wanted most young people to go to uni.
But university is (or should be) demanding. So to make is 'accessible' they dumbed most uni courses down to the level where you can enrol in a teaching degree with an ATAR of 36 (Federation Uni). Social Work (Disability) 45.  A third to half of these low ability students drop out after a year or two.

Most generalist degrees are barely more demanding than matriculation was 60 years ago. And a lot of the office jobs they qualify you for will disappear due to automation and AI.

International students are a migration stream for low skill jobs as most of them cannot be employed in the fields  they have a degree in.


The latest Graduate Outcomes Survey (GOS) supports these findings, showing that only 41.6% of international graduates living in Australia were employed full-time in 2021, versus 68.9% of domestic student graduates. The median full-time salary of international graduates was also only $54,300 in 2021, well below the $65,000 median full-time salary of domestic graduates.

The deleterious impacts on younger Australians entering the labour market were never considered, nor the erosion of pedagogical standards that arose from the explosion in international student numbers.

Before COVID hit, Australia had by far the highest concentration of international students in the world at around 3 times the concentration as the United Kingdom’s and Canada’s, and six times the United Sates’.

Total job vacancies in Australia number around 480,100.

Unemployed (looking for work) participants number around 473,600.

Does the government not see a logical solution in order to bring both numbers closer to zero?     >:(

Quote:

But university is (or should be) demanding. So to make is 'accessible' they dumbed most uni courses down to the level where you can enrol in a teaching degree with an ATAR of 36 (Federation Uni). Social Work (Disability) 45.  A third to half of these low ability students drop out after a year or two

Frank - those figures can't be right. 36?? 45?? Who would get such a ridiculously low ATAR in the first place?

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:09am:

Quote: But university is (or should be) demanding. So to make is 'accessible' they dumbed most uni courses down to the level where you can enrol in a teaching degree with an ATAR of 36 (Federation Uni). Social Work (Disability) 45.  A third to half of these low ability students drop out after a year or two Frank - those figures can't be right. 36?? 45?? Who would get such a ridiculously low ATAR in the first place?

They are not even the lowest. 
https://www.courseseeker.edu.au/courses

Well the projected immigration (let's not quibble) of 200,000 p.a. will increase demand on housing thus raising the profitability of the banks and all the vultures in the negative gearing business.... will continue to put pressure on jobs and on incomes derived from jobs.... will continue to split our society and culture into more and more groups, which process will be exacerbated by stupid governments persisting with affirmative action etc ..... and will eventually produce a disaster of major proportions once things go bad....

Australia needs to determine what it is in reality - apart from the dumping ground for every rat racer social science idea.  I notice that AlboCorp is always surrounded by mostly Whartes and a few  - very few - others.

Clearly there is no intention that excessive and wrongfully advertised immigration and all its pending disasters for the many will not be shared by them in their ivory tower...... same as their opposition....

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:03am:

Total job vacancies in Australia number around 480,100. Unemployed (looking for work) participants number around 473,600. Does the government not see a logical solution in order to bring both numbers closer to zero?     >:(

Herd all the unemployed into the jobs zones and put them up in a tent city?  Round up all the Remotigenes and and put their shoulder to the wheel?

Who's going to travel 1000 km for a part time casual gig, find somewhere to live at prohibitive expense, and just rely on a miniscule income to get enough to live on in times of great uncertainty?

Thus spake Artificial Intelligence...

When Whitey, via its superior technology, discovers through genetics and ancestry research of the global Genomes that it is nothing but a 'mutant' offshoot of the Darkie family tree that began in a tiny corner of the world called Europe upon a world covered with Darkies...

In the future, DNA will recognise the superior combination of darkie males mating with whitey females and thus produce in children the majority of males being born 'darkie' and the females being born 'whitey'.
Which is why Whitey males have to wear 'Black' to get married. ;D To appear more 'masculine'.
...in the past, the Whitey felt superior in a tiny spot called Europe over the rest of the world covered in 'primitive' darkies.
...in the future, the 'recycled' darkies called Whities will become the dominant mass production race while the new minority of Darkies will rule from South America with superior technology which the Whities forfeited in order to populate the rest of the world from a minority position.

Black Groom
White Bride

White is the feminine colour.

Face it Grapps. You're just a latent Trans woman in man's clothes.  :D

You'd better lay off the sauce, handsome.... you're beginning to need a band around your hat that says - Caution - Loose Edges...

If large scale immigration - importing the population of Townsville EVERY year - is the answer then an awful lot of things, like education, regions, productivity etc are done wrong.

Frank wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:25pm:

If large scale immigration - importing the population of Townsville EVERY year - is the answer then an awful lot of things, like education, regions, productivity etc are done wrong.

If there were a series of genuine projects going ahead that developed long term jobs and infrastructure for the many and these were accelerating daily and needed workers etc, all would be good.  As it is, most of these new people will find it hard to get jobs or will be cutting out local talent by being placed as 'dilutees' into vital jobs such as nursing and even medicine

I believe I've told you in the past - foreign trained doctors had to undergo a twelve month remedial course here before being allowed to practice - now they waltz straight in - and let me tell you - some of them are bricks.  My GP is a gem - in the room next door is a chap who has zero idea of anything - yet is an Indian trained doctor.  A real worry, since money is often the way forward through such courses, and we all know that local talent is shoved aside  to cater to full fee paying students from Offshoria and Wayoutland.

I must say again - with all the graduates in nursing, why is there this desperate need for more and more immigrant nurses?

https://www.intercheck.com.au/blog/find-first-nursing-job/

If that link is true, WTF is going on here when the health system is crying out for more staff to take the pressure off and give a better nurse to patient ratio?  Can there be a deliberate policy to disempower, disenfranchise our own so as to bring in Offshorites?

Why would any government do that?  To become part of some mythical 'global village' in which all are 'equal' and some of those you just equalised will savage you at the drop of a hat like dogs rescued from an abusive and violent environment?

Sinn Fein, Brothers and Sisters - we need politicians with real balls and you won't find them with your Albos, Parrot's Tits, Voldemorts, Barnabys, Tanyas, Gladys, Bandicoots and so forth.... all just time servers and some of the greatest con persons ever born, taking the Queen's best shilling and living off the fattest in the land (comment courtesy of a Digger on his way to a Pacific campaign in WW II) without a moment of remorse but with an absolute sense of Entitlement™.

'Nice Guy' Albanese - the smile on the face of the tiger.... never smile at a crococile .... at least Bandicoot and some of his hench-persons have the decency to have crazy eyes.... for advertising's sake.

A couple of things worry me about this job summit.  Firstly, regardless of Albo requesting participants put aside personal agendas and look at new solutions and thinking outside the box, it just seemed to boil down to more pay, free training, and all the old chestnuts that get dragged out whenever these talkfests take place.   We never get a costing for any of this - bringing an extra 40,000 of skilled and unskilled people into Australia is going to cost a lot of money - does the return of investment of this outweigh the cost of the program?    Of that 40,000, how many will be the stay at home party and how many will actually work and solve our problems?   What sort of taxpayer funds are going to the Twiggys, Ginas, Clives etc to bring these workers in?   

The thing that is never explored is that there is a huge pool of unemployed somewhere, and a huge amount of unfilled jobs somewhere else - the two neveer seem to overlap!    Has the Government thought about what sort of contributions it would need to put in place to get those unemployed to jobs - rather than bringing in more people from overseas?  How are these these immigrants going to be convinced to go where the jobs are - even if the location is in the middle of the Aussie desert!   We are just going to end up with another swag of people wanting to live on the coasts and in the major cities.

Let's look at giving our pool of unemployed some form of financial or other incentives to overcome from within before we give that money to the Ginas and Twiggys to pay lower wages and pocket the rest

Vic wrote on Sep 4^th, 2022 at 6:24pm:

A couple of things worry me about this job summit.  Firstly, regardless of Albo requesting participants put aside personal agendas and look at new solutions and thinking outside the box, it just seemed to boil down to more pay, free training, and all the old chestnuts that get dragged out whenever these talkfests take place.   We never get a costing for any of this - bringing an extra 40,000 of skilled and unskilled people into Australia is going to cost a lot of money - does the return of investment of this outweigh the cost of the program?    Of that 40,000, how many will be the stay at home party and how many will actually work and solve our problems?   What sort of taxpayer funds are going to the Twiggys, Ginas, Clives etc to bring these workers in?    The thing that is never explored is that there is a huge pool of unemployed somewhere, and a huge amount of unfilled jobs somewhere else - the two neveer seem to overlap!    Has the Government thought about what sort of contributions it would need to put in place to get those unemployed to jobs - rather than bringing in more people from overseas?  How are these these immigrants going to be convinced to go where the jobs are - even if the location is in the middle of the Aussie desert!   We are just going to end up with another swag of people wanting to live on the coasts and in the major cities. Let's look at giving our pool of unemployed some form of financial or other incentives to overcome from within before we give that money to the Ginas and Twiggys to pay lower wages and pocket the rest

And where do we house them? Another 40,000 on top of the 135,000 we already import every year. Do we even build that many houses in a year?

The problems goes far beyond just immigration to fill in the job and skill shortages.  We need to look at the reason why there is job and skill shortage in the first place. 

Our previous governments, especially the liberal government have abandoned tertiary education in this country.  They closed down vocational education all over the country, reduced university funding, increased HECs debts.  At the same time, channelling money without proper regulation into 'private' institutions - to a stage where, people are getting 'degrees' that is not recognized anywhere. 

The privatization of our important industries like electricity, water, gas and telecommunication, meant the private companies would not bother to train our younger generation through apprenticeships without government hand outs.  Instead lobbying the politician to increase 'skilled' migration.  Another attack at young people of today.

Then there is systematic favouring of property investments - like negative gearing and capital gains concession.  Not only it artificially inflates property prices beyond reaches of many locally born Australians, it also created an adversarial environment for small business through higher rent and higher interest rates.   A few years ago, I went to the bank.  I wanted a loan for a small business idea.  And the banks would only lend me 100k for the idea.   However, at the end of the meeting, they were happy to offer me a loan of 800k to buy an investment property.   This is madness!  (Well... I bought an investment property instead....I know... my bad...)

Then adding to all this, an ageing demographic of Australia.  The rest is history.   Of the 200k migrants that they projected, will probably just barely scratch the surface.  In the aged care sector alone, there is a shortage of 35k right now.  With more than 110k anticipated in the next few years.  It is a crisis. 

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 8:41pm:

Well the projected immigration (let's not quibble) of 200,000 p.a. will increase demand on housing thus raising the profitability of the banks and all the vultures in the negative gearing business.... will continue to put pressure on jobs and on incomes derived from jobs.... will continue to split our society and culture into more and more groups, which process will be exacerbated by stupid governments persisting with affirmative action etc ..... and will eventually produce a disaster of major proportions once things go bad.... Australia needs to determine what it is in reality - apart from the dumping ground for every rat racer social science idea.  I notice that AlboCorp is always surrounded by mostly Whartes and a few  - very few - others. Clearly there is no intention that excessive and wrongfully advertised immigration and all its pending disasters for the many will not be shared by them in their ivory tower...... same as their opposition....

Setanta wrote on Sep 4^th, 2022 at 9:53pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 6:24pm: A couple of things worry me about this job summit.  Firstly, regardless of Albo requesting participants put aside personal agendas and look at new solutions and thinking outside the box, it just seemed to boil down to more pay, free training, and all the old chestnuts that get dragged out whenever these talkfests take place.   We never get a costing for any of this - bringing an extra 40,000 of skilled and unskilled people into Australia is going to cost a lot of money - does the return of investment of this outweigh the cost of the program?    Of that 40,000, how many will be the stay at home party and how many will actually work and solve our problems?   What sort of taxpayer funds are going to the Twiggys, Ginas, Clives etc to bring these workers in?    The thing that is never explored is that there is a huge pool of unemployed somewhere, and a huge amount of unfilled jobs somewhere else - the two neveer seem to overlap!    Has the Government thought about what sort of contributions it would need to put in place to get those unemployed to jobs - rather than bringing in more people from overseas?  How are these these immigrants going to be convinced to go where the jobs are - even if the location is in the middle of the Aussie desert!   We are just going to end up with another swag of people wanting to live on the coasts and in the major cities. Let's look at giving our pool of unemployed some form of financial or other incentives to overcome from within before we give that money to the Ginas and Twiggys to pay lower wages and pocket the rest And where do we house them? Another 40,000 on top of the 135,000 we already import every year. Do we even build that many houses in a year?

Already addressed that one... and a few other things...

Nice to see you back.  Floods finished or just a recess?

Rejected asylum seekers staying 'not right': O'Neil


Home Affairs Minister Clare O'Neil says allowing asylum seekers who have been rejected by immigration to remain in Australia is "not the right solution", despite thousands continuing to live and work in the country undocumented.

Ms O'Neil's National Press Club address on Thursday put a spotlight on the number of undocumented people living and working in Australia after she blasted the former government for passing almost one million unprocessed visas over to Labor.

Questioned by RN Breakfast as to what the government's plan is to address the 70,000 people working illegally in Australia, Ms O'Neil said awarding them permanent residency was not on the agenda.
"I don't think that's the right solution for this group of people," she said.

Ms O'Neil said the former government had left immigration in "an absolute mess", arguing that Australia has "actively avoided" dealing with the issue.

"We’ve got something we’ve actively avoided as a country, which is a group of undocumented workers who are vulnerable to exploitation," she said.

"We're not a country where you can just arrive without any reason to be here and stay permanently."

"If people are not refugees they're not owed permanent protection, we do need to provide a pathway for them to go back home."

Ms O'Neil said she was "very worried" about undocumented workers having an effect on wages, saying she is "pretty bloody annoyed" at the former government.

"Peter Dutton, while he was immigrration minister, who spent all his time striding around the country telling us what a tough guy he was on borders, and all the while, under his nose, this has been described as the biggest trafficking scam in Australian history," she said.

"Every rock I look under there is a mess there for me to clean up and we are working through them bit by bit."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/politicsnow-tanya-pliberseks-green-cop-to-enforce-environmental-standards/live-coverage/1fd41f562181e57f9963012090cd7c8a#83929

I wonder what solution Labor will come up with to sort out the mess left by the previous Labor Lite government.
Will they have balls to deport them?

By way of comparison:
Bundaberg      70,826
Bunbury      68,248
Maitland      67,132
Rockhampton      61,724
Adelaide Hills      60,394
Melbourne City Centre      60,057
Hervey Bay      52,230
Reservoir      50,092
Craigieburn      50,069
Point Cook      49,436
Tamworth      47,597
Berwick      47,074
Blacktown      46,942
Pakenham      45,895
Port Macquarie      45,692
Glen Waverley      40,238
Werribee      40,143
Dubbo      39,863
Castle Hill      39,284
Orange      38,408

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 12:03am:

Have to agree with Frank here... educating our own is far more important than bringing in 'dilutees' with half the skills to fill the gaps artificially created. I ask again - why are there so many nursing graduates who cannot get a job with NSW Health while they bring in Outlanders with 'skills'? Why are universities permitted to bring in full fee paying Outlanders to study top grade disciplines to the detriment of local talent that often cannot afford the tuition? Governments here have zero problem with establishing quotas for all those they love to love - what about quotas for our very own first?

I know, dear, but Frank's not our own, now is he?

He's a New Australian, otherwise known as an "immigrant".

If we educated our own, we wouldn't need graduates of the prestigious University of Balogney, now would we?

Karnal wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 12:03am: Have to agree with Frank here... educating our own is far more important than bringing in 'dilutees' with half the skills to fill the gaps artificially created. I ask again - why are there so many nursing graduates who cannot get a job with NSW Health while they bring in Outlanders with 'skills'? Why are universities permitted to bring in full fee paying Outlanders to study top grade disciplines to the detriment of local talent that often cannot afford the tuition? Governments here have zero problem with establishing quotas for all those they love to love - what about quotas for our very own first? I know, dear, but Frank's not our own, now is he? He's a New Australian, otherwise known as an "immigrant". If we educated our own, we wouldn't need graduates of the prestigious University of Balogney, now would we?

As always, Mustaphaken, you are missing the point. Deliberately, I am sure.

Mortgage stress has some Australians bracing for a new year of budget pain
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101754182

Mobaraka Mohammadi says she works 12 hours a day just to make ends meet and pay off her mortgage. 

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/71ca9af678f5c9474d0beeae99fc0fdf?.jpg


Mortgage broker Gracious Chidhakwa told the ABC some households had already started missing their repayments, and she warned the full effect of the rate rises would not be felt for some time yet.

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/cc98ab24e24be3c26352377148e5aa00?.jpg


Ali Kawser, mortgage broker and owner of AK Home Loans based in the west of Melbourne, told the ABC that some aspiring home owners who secured house and land packages last year did not want to proceed.

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/93853913738e6ff346fc7b62007124b9?.jpg


David Lin is anxiously watching Australia's mortgage rate rises and considering whether he will have to take up another job soon.

Mr Lin, a Melburnian in his 30s, had his mortgage rate fixed before the pandemic but that will expire next year, meaning if rates stay where they are, he could be forced to pay an extra $300 to $400 every month.

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c2b02186588b85e696427866fd4e5059?.jpg

Founder and chief executive of Financially Empowered, Grace Mugabe, said the cost of living crisis and rising interest rates were hitting most people hard, particularly culturally and linguistically diverse (CALD) Australians and migrants.

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/cdef474b168693ad9fd4698a47a5bd14?.jpg

We all know that continued immigration is intended to constantly raise the cost (not the value) of properties and benefit some to the detriment of the rest... been through it time and again. ....

I have no argument with parasite investors ruining the homes market for real people taking a hit - but that will not be the reality with rising interest rates ... the banks protect those vultures and throw the ordinary folk to the wolves.... and I equally have no problem with the banks taking a few hits for the team for a change....

What we don't need added to the mix is more and more people demanding homing in either rentals or purchased and also applying pressure on jobs and general incomes .... thus forever raising pressure on the COL/income balance and creating homelessness and poverty for the many.... all just to create a farce of some mythical 'growth in GDP'.

Sure more people means more spending etc... but creates of the actual product a joke by spreading available and always behind resources across a greater number.  Sure they spend more to buy less... HTF is that a genuine 'product' of anything?

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 10:08am:

Rejected asylum seekers staying 'not right': O'Neil Home Affairs Minister Clare O'Neil says allowing asylum seekers who have been rejected by immigration to remain in Australia is "not the right solution", despite thousands continuing to live and work in the country undocumented. Ms O'Neil's National Press Club address on Thursday put a spotlight on the number of undocumented people living and working in Australia after she blasted the former government for passing almost one million unprocessed visas over to Labor. Questioned by RN Breakfast as to what the government's plan is to address the 70,000 people working illegally in Australia, Ms O'Neil said awarding them permanent residency was not on the agenda. "I don't think that's the right solution for this group of people," she said. Ms O'Neil said the former government had left immigration in "an absolute mess", arguing that Australia has "actively avoided" dealing with the issue. "We’ve got something we’ve actively avoided as a country, which is a group of undocumented workers who are vulnerable to exploitation," she said. "We're not a country where you can just arrive without any reason to be here and stay permanently." "If people are not refugees they're not owed permanent protection, we do need to provide a pathway for them to go back home." Ms O'Neil said she was "very worried" about undocumented workers having an effect on wages, saying she is "pretty bloody annoyed" at the former government. "Peter Dutton, while he was immigrration minister, who spent all his time striding around the country telling us what a tough guy he was on borders, and all the while, under his nose, this has been described as the biggest trafficking scam in Australian history," she said. "Every rock I look under there is a mess there for me to clean up and we are working through them bit by bit." https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/politicsnow-tanya-pliberseks-green-cop-to-enforce-environmental-standards/live-coverage/1fd41f562181e57f9963012090cd7c8a#83929 I wonder what solution Labor will come up with to sort out the mess left by the previous Labor Lite government. Will they have balls to deport them? By way of comparison: Bundaberg      70,826 Bunbury      68,248 Maitland      67,132 Rockhampton      61,724 Adelaide Hills      60,394 Melbourne City Centre      60,057 Hervey Bay      52,230 Reservoir      50,092 Craigieburn      50,069 Point Cook      49,436 Tamworth      47,597 Berwick      47,074 Blacktown      46,942 Pakenham      45,895 Port Macquarie      45,692 Glen Waverley      40,238 Werribee      40,143 Dubbo      39,863 Castle Hill      39,284 Orange      38,408

They came by plane, Frank.

Visa over-stayers.  Not asylum seekers.

Ooooohhhhhh....... :'( :'(


Ahmed and Danice fell in love when he was in prison. Neither expected the biggest test to come after his release

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101782498
A few months before Ahmed was released from prison, he received a letter from immigration alluding to the possibility that his visa could be cancelled because of his criminal conviction.

A few months before Ahmed was released from prison, he received a letter from immigration alluding to the possibility that his visa could be cancelled because of his criminal conviction.



The other 37 family members got it,except little Ahmed.  :'( :'(

Busy morning in the Western Suburbs of Sydney with renters trying to get on a train to get to work in the more property affluent suburbs

https://mobile.twitter.com/RBASHAGGER/status/1610743182559412245

Frank wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:25pm:

If large scale immigration - importing the population of Townsville EVERY year - is the answer then an awful lot of things, like education, regions, productivity etc are done wrong.

Just so, old boy. We could educate our best and brightest or import some dilutees after a stint at the pwestigious University of Balogney, no?

Either/or.

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Busy morning in the Western Suburbs of Sydney with renters trying to get on a train to get to work in the more property affluent suburbs https://mobile.twitter.com/RBASHAGGER/status/1610743182559412245

Mumbai, eh?

Bit of a laugh, old boy. It's the Muselman we need to watch - always absolutely never ever, no?

Your Curry Shitter's just a garden-variety tinted race/sorry - culture.

Correlation not causation, innit.

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 4:29pm:

Ooooohhhhhh....... :'( :'( Ahmed and Danice fell in love when he was in prison. Neither expected the biggest test to come after his release https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101782498 A few months before Ahmed was released from prison, he received a letter from immigration alluding to the possibility that his visa could be cancelled because of his criminal conviction. A few months before Ahmed was released from prison, he received a letter from immigration alluding to the possibility that his visa could be cancelled because of his criminal conviction. The other 37 family members got it,except little Ahmed.  :'( :'(

Ahmed's mishtake was not to marry a chap, dear boy. The Department Immigration and Border Security would have been far less inclined to send him back to where he came from.

Oh, whatever happened to our once proud country? We used to screen for undesirable cultural attributes, no?

At least we wouldn't be importing heteronormative terrorists:

https://cphpost.dk/?p=131395#:~:text=A%20huge%20World%20Health%20Organization,on%20at%20least%20one%20occasion.

Ship 'im out ..... one less to worry about .....

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

Ship 'im out ..... one less to worry about .....

Danes?

Come come. They gave us King Knut, remember?

Karnal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:57pm: Ship 'im out ..... one less to worry about ..... Danes? Come come. They gave us King Knut, remember?

Not only but also.....



The Sydney Opera House exists because a few brave people dared to think differently. They made the impossible possible and inspired a nation.
From that courage and creativity, a place of extraordinary experiences was born: where for five decades people have come together; to sing, dance, laugh, cry, play, create and debate.

That’s a lot to celebrate. So in our 50th year, we’re throwing a party and everyone’s invited. Join us for a year-long festival celebrating the past, present and future of Australia’s favourite building.
https://www.sydneyoperahouse.com/50.html

Karnal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 3:11pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:57pm: Ship 'im out ..... one less to worry about ..... Danes? Come come. They gave us King Knut, remember?

My ancestry is part Danish - you wouldn't want to ship me out, would you?   How would this country find its way out of the darkness without me?  I meant the Mad Musso...... the good ones can stay... the rest can take a hike with their packed bags... catch a lift home somewhere out in the Pacific...


Deep within the early hours of a midnight drear in deepest Winter.... a darked out stealth helicopter set down on Villawood Oval.... its blades making only about a quarter of the sound a normal chopper's would...... swiftly dark vans with their lights off and their interior lights removed moved across the flat ground to the waiting dark bird.... as they drew up alongside the sliding doors quietly slipped open on the dark beast.... revealing a dark interior in which could just be made out the forms of several bulky men in dark clothing covering all except their eyes..... a hooded and gagged and handcuffed Ahmed is swiftly removed from one of the vans followed almost immediately by several more figures equally hooded and gagged and cuffed... one by one they are unceremoniously shoved into the gaping maw of the black chopper, where the bulky men grab hold of them and slip chains through their cuffs, cuff their feet, and slide and lock the chains through eyelets set into the walls and floors.... the doors swiftly close, the vans load up , a few people fewer than when they arrived, and vanish into the dark night...... the black chopper takes of as near silently as it arrived and sets a course East... somewhere towards New Zealand......... it's first drop-off point for one of the hooded and gagged figures chained to the floor and walls...... as it crosses the coast near Mascot, not a peep comes from the control tower where only the back-up crew of emergency controllers rest during non-operational time at the airport.... they are under strict orders to see and hear nothing and each is bound by the Official secrets Act ... not that they would tell anyone anything anyway... plausible deniability says they saw and heard nothing....  the black chopper heads East towards Aotearoa..... and stops north east ......

Quote:

My ancestry is part Danish

The other part moron

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:35pm:

Quote: My ancestry is part Danish The other part moron

Living proof that Australia would be lost without me to keep your Albos and your Voldemorts in line...

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                                                                                                      This is no drill.  This is an overfly of a Stealth Glitch to send a message...... ah, grasshoppers - only those who have attained a state of true grace can see the Stealth Glitch as it passes by like a satellite.... he only saw it flying past, but it still got Lefty up the ast ....  Major Igor - that is a fine Glitch... even I can't see it and it is there.... should send a message to the Recals here tonight...

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Frank wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 3:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 3:11pm: Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:57pm: Ship 'im out ..... one less to worry about ..... Danes? Come come. They gave us King Knut, remember? Not only but also..... The Sydney Opera House exists because a few brave people dared to think differently. They made the impossible possible and inspired a nation. From that courage and creativity, a place of extraordinary experiences was born: where for five decades people have come together; to sing, dance, laugh, cry, play, create and debate. That’s a lot to celebrate. So in our 50th year, we’re throwing a party and everyone’s invited. Join us for a year-long festival celebrating the past, present and future of Australia’s favourite building. https://www.sydneyoperahouse.com/50.html

Exactlemente. Sydney Opera House, domestic violence and King Kunt.

Just so, as every schoolboy knows.

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 4:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 3:11pm: Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:57pm: Ship 'im out ..... one less to worry about ..... Danes? Come come. They gave us King Knut, remember? My ancestry is part Danish - you wouldn't want to ship me out, would you?

Never. They flew here, ja?

We grew here. Chalk and cheese, innit.

Ship out all the undesirables - even the long-termers can be banished from our shores, black or white....  get some good old Ethical Cleansing going on... get rid of the criminals etc first.... the revolutionaries ... the terrorists .... the recalcitrants ... those who will not accept Australian sovereignty ....

Drain the Swamps.... Lance The Poisons ... Burn Off The Leeches .... Scrape Off the Barnacles.... Bring In The reverse Boat People Policy - bring all those boat people ashore for ' checking' etc - reload the boats and send them out filled with The Undesirables.... The Unspeakables ..... the Intractables....  shape 'em up in small groups and ship 'em out....

How long before Ahmed again loses his temper, and punches his new
wife's lights out.  He admitted that he'd lost his temper during the fight
he was involved in, and overreacted.    Who's to say that won't happen
again with the naive Danice, who fell in love with an idea rather than a
man?

In my opinion, any immigrant who commits a crime worthy of a jail
sentence should be deported immediately upon his/her release.

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 10:29pm:

How long before Ahmed again loses his temper, and punches his new wife's lights out.  He admitted that he'd lost his temper during the fight he was involved in, and overreacted.    Who's to say that won't happen again with the naive Danice, who fell in love with an idea rather than a man? In my opinion, any immigrant who commits a crime worthy of a jail sentence should be deported immediately upon his/her release.

Once he gets his permanent residency/citizenship.

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:06pm:

Mortgage stress has some Australians bracing for a new year of budget pain https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101754182 Mobaraka Mohammadi says she works 12 hours a day just to make ends meet and pay off her mortgage.  https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/71ca9af678f5c9474d0beeae99fc0fdf?.jpg Mortgage broker Gracious Chidhakwa told the ABC some households had already started missing their repayments, and she warned the full effect of the rate rises would not be felt for some time yet. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/cc98ab24e24be3c26352377148e5aa00?.jpg Ali Kawser, mortgage broker and owner of AK Home Loans based in the west of Melbourne, told the ABC that some aspiring home owners who secured house and land packages last year did not want to proceed. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/93853913738e6ff346fc7b62007124b9?.jpg David Lin is anxiously watching Australia's mortgage rate rises and considering whether he will have to take up another job soon. Mr Lin, a Melburnian in his 30s, had his mortgage rate fixed before the pandemic but that will expire next year, meaning if rates stay where they are, he could be forced to pay an extra $300 to $400 every month. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c2b02186588b85e696427866fd4e5059?.jpg Founder and chief executive of Financially Empowered, Grace Mugabe, said the cost of living crisis and rising interest rates were hitting most people hard, particularly culturally and linguistically diverse (CALD) Australians and migrants. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/cdef474b168693ad9fd4698a47a5bd14?.jpg

What's you point with all of this, old boy? The fact that these people warning of the now evident housing crisis are tinted?

Like, how very dare they and stuff?

What happened to you?

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 10:29pm:

How long before Ahmed again loses his temper, and punches his new wife's lights out.  He admitted that he'd lost his temper during the fight he was involved in, and overreacted.    Who's to say that won't happen again with the naive Danice, who fell in love with an idea rather than a man? In my opinion, any immigrant who commits a crime worthy of a jail sentence should be deported immediately upon his/her release.

Well isn't that just a rather stern appraisal based on not very much information at all. I mean, we've even relegated the lovely Danice to "naïve" and are in full understanding of her motivations. From what Frank said. Twice.

(And you've a thing with undervaluing women, Geoff. You might want to explore that about yourself.)

I for one am thankful that such decisions rest with our systems of justice and not just angry old men on the internet, shaking their collective fists at clouds and congratulating each other for it.

mothra wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 7:53am:

Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 5:06pm: Mortgage stress has some Australians bracing for a new year of budget pain https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101754182 Mobaraka Mohammadi says she works 12 hours a day just to make ends meet and pay off her mortgage.  https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/71ca9af678f5c9474d0beeae99fc0fdf?.jpg Mortgage broker Gracious Chidhakwa told the ABC some households had already started missing their repayments, and she warned the full effect of the rate rises would not be felt for some time yet. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/cc98ab24e24be3c26352377148e5aa00?.jpg Ali Kawser, mortgage broker and owner of AK Home Loans based in the west of Melbourne, told the ABC that some aspiring home owners who secured house and land packages last year did not want to proceed. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/93853913738e6ff346fc7b62007124b9?.jpg David Lin is anxiously watching Australia's mortgage rate rises and considering whether he will have to take up another job soon. Mr Lin, a Melburnian in his 30s, had his mortgage rate fixed before the pandemic but that will expire next year, meaning if rates stay where they are, he could be forced to pay an extra $300 to $400 every month. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c2b02186588b85e696427866fd4e5059?.jpg Founder and chief executive of Financially Empowered, Grace Mugabe, said the cost of living crisis and rising interest rates were hitting most people hard, particularly culturally and linguistically diverse (CALD) Australians and migrants. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/cdef474b168693ad9fd4698a47a5bd14?.jpg What's you point with all of this, old boy? The fact that these people warning of the now evident housing crisis are tinted? Like, how very dare they and stuff? What happened to you?

'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful.

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 6:53am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 10:29pm: How long before Ahmed again loses his temper, and punches his new wife's lights out.  He admitted that he'd lost his temper during the fight he was involved in, and overreacted.    Who's to say that won't happen again with the naive Danice, who fell in love with an idea rather than a man? In my opinion, any immigrant who commits a crime worthy of a jail sentence should be deported immediately upon his/her release. Once he gets his permanent residency/citizenship.

No. He/she should be permanently blacklisted/disqualified from obtaining permanent residency/citizenship.

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 8:24am:

mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 7:53am: Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 5:06pm: Mortgage stress has some Australians bracing for a new year of budget pain https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101754182 Mobaraka Mohammadi says she works 12 hours a day just to make ends meet and pay off her mortgage.  https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/71ca9af678f5c9474d0beeae99fc0fdf?.jpg Mortgage broker Gracious Chidhakwa told the ABC some households had already started missing their repayments, and she warned the full effect of the rate rises would not be felt for some time yet. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/cc98ab24e24be3c26352377148e5aa00?.jpg Ali Kawser, mortgage broker and owner of AK Home Loans based in the west of Melbourne, told the ABC that some aspiring home owners who secured house and land packages last year did not want to proceed. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/93853913738e6ff346fc7b62007124b9?.jpg David Lin is anxiously watching Australia's mortgage rate rises and considering whether he will have to take up another job soon. Mr Lin, a Melburnian in his 30s, had his mortgage rate fixed before the pandemic but that will expire next year, meaning if rates stay where they are, he could be forced to pay an extra $300 to $400 every month. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c2b02186588b85e696427866fd4e5059?.jpg Founder and chief executive of Financially Empowered, Grace Mugabe, said the cost of living crisis and rising interest rates were hitting most people hard, particularly culturally and linguistically diverse (CALD) Australians and migrants. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/cdef474b168693ad9fd4698a47a5bd14?.jpg What's you point with all of this, old boy? The fact that these people warning of the now evident housing crisis are tinted? Like, how very dare they and stuff? What happened to you? 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful.

For you, certainly. Despite you being an immigrant.

I absolutely love multiculturalism however. So i'm well pleased with everyone but your sort.

Frank you're an immigrant. Don't ever forget that.

Don't worry .... I'm an immigrant too. I have also been told that. Many times.  😂😆🤣

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Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 8:24am:

'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful.

you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 8:57am:

Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better

It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries.

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries.

You mean after all the colonising bastards ruined their homelands and implemented unnatural borders on them?

Did someone reap what they sowed?

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 8:57am:

Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better

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Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 8:24am:

mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 7:53am: Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 5:06pm: Mortgage stress has some Australians bracing for a new year of budget pain https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101754182 Mobaraka Mohammadi says she works 12 hours a day just to make ends meet and pay off her mortgage.  https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/71ca9af678f5c9474d0beeae99fc0fdf?.jpg Mortgage broker Gracious Chidhakwa told the ABC some households had already started missing their repayments, and she warned the full effect of the rate rises would not be felt for some time yet. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/cc98ab24e24be3c26352377148e5aa00?.jpg Ali Kawser, mortgage broker and owner of AK Home Loans based in the west of Melbourne, told the ABC that some aspiring home owners who secured house and land packages last year did not want to proceed. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/93853913738e6ff346fc7b62007124b9?.jpg David Lin is anxiously watching Australia's mortgage rate rises and considering whether he will have to take up another job soon. Mr Lin, a Melburnian in his 30s, had his mortgage rate fixed before the pandemic but that will expire next year, meaning if rates stay where they are, he could be forced to pay an extra $300 to $400 every month. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c2b02186588b85e696427866fd4e5059?.jpg Founder and chief executive of Financially Empowered, Grace Mugabe, said the cost of living crisis and rising interest rates were hitting most people hard, particularly culturally and linguistically diverse (CALD) Australians and migrants. https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/cdef474b168693ad9fd4698a47a5bd14?.jpg What's you point with all of this, old boy? The fact that these people warning of the now evident housing crisis are tinted? Like, how very dare they and stuff? What happened to you? 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful.

Just so, Mothra. The old boy's finally come to this conclusion.

It took a while. First, he had to country shop around a bit, pick somewhere nice and fill in some forms. Next, he had to pack his bags and get a taxi to the airport. Last, but not least, he flew here.

Yes, while we were all busily being conceived and bred and learning our manners, we grew here. The old boy, alternatively, flew here.

As you can see, he has quite a different outlook to the rest of us. He's still learning our customs and jolly ways. It took him some time, but the old boy has finally concluded that immigration is not for him.

Too bad, so sad. Looks like it's back to where he came from.

As you can see, we grew here, he flew here. It is a jolly world, no?

Oh I interrupted a fake shared multi troll chatting to the manic mad Methra moron. My apologies. Please continue 😐

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 8:42am:

Frank you're an immigrant. Don't ever forget that.

Miss Cheeky has a point, old boy. You, yourself, are a naughty old country-shopper.

But do you know? Aren't we all, in our own way, immigrants?

Don't we all fly off to foreign countries, fill their streets, steal their jobs and breed their fillies?

Don't we all complain about multiculturalism, Boongs, the Muselman and the tinted races?

And if anyone asks any pesky questions, don't we all call them Pakistani Bastards and tell them to go back to where they came from?

Yes, old boy, you're an immigrant too. Don't you ever forget that.

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries.

try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:42am: Frank you're an immigrant. Don't ever forget that. Miss Cheeky has a point, old boy. You, yourself, are a naughty old country-shopper. But do you know? Aren't we all, in our own way, immigrants? Don't we all fly off to foreign countries, fill their streets, steal their jobs and breed their fillies? Don't we all complain about multiculturalism, Boongs, the Muselman and the tinted races? And if anyone asks any pesky questions, don't we all call them Pakistani Bastards and tell them to go back to where they came from? Yes, old boy, you're an immigrant too. Don't you ever forget that.

And so are you Karnal/Matty. Best you take your own advice first.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 2:23pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it

Why would I want to live among gruesome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 3:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 12:38pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:42am: Frank you're an immigrant. Don't ever forget that. Miss Cheeky has a point, old boy. You, yourself, are a naughty old country-shopper. But do you know? Aren't we all, in our own way, immigrants? Don't we all fly off to foreign countries, fill their streets, steal their jobs and breed their fillies? Don't we all complain about multiculturalism, Boongs, the Muselman and the tinted races? And if anyone asks any pesky questions, don't we all call them Pakistani Bastards and tell them to go back to where they came from? Yes, old boy, you're an immigrant too. Don't you ever forget that. And so are you Karnal/Matty. Best you take your own advice first.

Not at all, dear. Mattyfisk grew here. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you flew here.

And that's okay. Ask the old boy.

Aren't we all immigrants in our own stool-sniffing way?

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 3:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among grusome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As?

Well derr, you did leave your country to come and live in my country ya dumbass :D

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 3:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among grusome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As?

Now that's a question.

Why would you, Sore End, graduate of the prestigious University of Balogney, immigrate to our fine shores to live among grusome and barbaric morlocks like us?

We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we? Quiz you for the citizenship test.

Was it:

A) You wanted to be a part of our rich multicultural tapestry.

B) You admired our ancient, 50,000 year old culture.

C) You wanted to join the great Australian century, a prosperous middle power, a bridge between new and old, Asia and Europe, tinted and tanned.

D) You mistakenly believed we still had the White Australia Policy in place, but it's all good, you've learned otherwise and have been completely rehabilitated.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among gruesome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As? Well derr, you did leave your country to come and live in my country ya dumbass :D

Morlocks like you were not the attraction for my parents.

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 6:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among gruesome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As? Now that's a question. Why would you, Sore End, graduate of the prestigious University of Balogney, immigrate to our fine shores to live among grusome and barbaric morlocks like us? We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we? Quiz you for the citizenship test. Was it: A) You wanted to be a part of our rich multicultural tapestry. B) You admired our ancient, 50,000 year old culture. C) You wanted to join the great Australian century, a prosperous middle power, a bridge between new and old, Asia and Europe, tinted and tanned. D) You mistakenly believed we still had the White Australia Policy in place, but it's all good, you've learned otherwise and have been completely rehabilitated.

I am not a graduate of the University of Bologna, wee paki bugger, I did a semester as study abroad.

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 8:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 6:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among gruesome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As? Well derr, you did leave your country to come and live in my country ya dumbass :D Morlocks like you were not the attraction for my parents.

We're talking about you,  not your parents. At your age you're still trying to blame your parents for your lifes woes??... you've had decades to not live with the likes of me and yet you're still here. I think you're full of poo......again  ::)

Hilarious/ridiculous

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl_5A_iX0Ac6o1W?.jpg

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 9:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 6:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among gruesome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As? Well derr, you did leave your country to come and live in my country ya dumbass :D Morlocks like you were not the attraction for my parents. We're talking about you,  not your parents. At your age you're still trying to blame your parents for your lifes woes??... you've had decades to not live with the likes of me and yet you're still here. I think you're full of poo......again  ::)

You are not Australia, Thick As.

And yet ANOTHER thread devolves into a puerile slanging
match between the usual suspects.   It's a pity we seem
unable to maintain any half reasonable debates once these
cyber-kiddies enter the fray.

      >:(

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:02pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 6:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among gruesome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As? Well derr, you did leave your country to come and live in my country ya dumbass :D Morlocks like you were not the attraction for my parents. We're talking about you,  not your parents. At your age you're still trying to blame your parents for your lifes woes??... you've had decades to not live with the likes of me and yet you're still here. I think you're full of poo......again  ::) You are not Australia, Thick As.

I know you are a moron but i never said I was Australia.
YOU were the moron who said you didn't want to live amongst my kind. Put your money where your mouth is and farkk off back to your shitehole country

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 5:55pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:03pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 12:38pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:42am: Frank you're an immigrant. Don't ever forget that. Miss Cheeky has a point, old boy. You, yourself, are a naughty old country-shopper. But do you know? Aren't we all, in our own way, immigrants? Don't we all fly off to foreign countries, fill their streets, steal their jobs and breed their fillies? Don't we all complain about multiculturalism, Boongs, the Muselman and the tinted races? And if anyone asks any pesky questions, don't we all call them Pakistani Bastards and tell them to go back to where they came from? Yes, old boy, you're an immigrant too. Don't you ever forget that. And so are you Karnal/Matty. Best you take your own advice first. Not at all, dear. Mattyfisk grew here. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you flew here. And that's okay. Ask the old boy. Aren't we all immigrants in our own stool-sniffing way?

WTF are you on about now fake shared multi troll?

I was BORN in Australia! In fact all my brothers and sisters were!

My mum and dad migrated to Australia from Greece and Italy (respectively) as teenagers in the mid 60's. And the Australian govt invited/paid for them to get here. They did not fly here. They came by cruise ship.

They met and married here. I was born here. I was educated here. I've lived here all my life and my children are a mix of Greek, Italian, English, Irish, German and French.

I've now buried both my parents here. In Australia. The country where both my parents lived for most of their lives.

My son and daughter (from my 1st marriage) still have their paternal grandfathers WW2 medals and actual uniform. As well as all his war photos. They also have the photos and medals of his 2 uncles who fought in Gallipoli. These children ie MY children have blood links to the Anzacs.

So yeah I feel very proud to call Australia MY country. And I'll be damned if I'm going to be told by anyone that I'm less of an Australian than anyone else! i

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 8:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 6:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among gruesome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As? Well derr, you did leave your country to come and live in my country ya dumbass :D Morlocks like you were not the attraction for my parents.

So you were born in Australia also. Your parents were migrants.

Question: Why then are you constantly being told to go back to your own country by these racist morons?

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 8:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 6:15pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among gruesome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As? Now that's a question. Why would you, Sore End, graduate of the prestigious University of Balogney, immigrate to our fine shores to live among grusome and barbaric morlocks like us? We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we? Quiz you for the citizenship test. Was it: A) You wanted to be a part of our rich multicultural tapestry. B) You admired our ancient, 50,000 year old culture. C) You wanted to join the great Australian century, a prosperous middle power, a bridge between new and old, Asia and Europe, tinted and tanned. D) You mistakenly believed we still had the White Australia Policy in place, but it's all good, you've learned otherwise and have been completely rehabilitated. I am not a graduate of the University of Bologna, wee paki bugger, I did a semester as study abroad.

Oh, I see. Exchange student, were you?

Not from Dubbo, by any chance, are you?

We can tell, old boy. We grew here.

You?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 5:55pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:03pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 12:38pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:42am: Frank you're an immigrant. Don't ever forget that. Miss Cheeky has a point, old boy. You, yourself, are a naughty old country-shopper. But do you know? Aren't we all, in our own way, immigrants? Don't we all fly off to foreign countries, fill their streets, steal their jobs and breed their fillies? Don't we all complain about multiculturalism, Boongs, the Muselman and the tinted races? And if anyone asks any pesky questions, don't we all call them Pakistani Bastards and tell them to go back to where they came from? Yes, old boy, you're an immigrant too. Don't you ever forget that. And so are you Karnal/Matty. Best you take your own advice first. Not at all, dear. Mattyfisk grew here. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you flew here. And that's okay. Ask the old boy. Aren't we all immigrants in our own stool-sniffing way? WTF are you on about now fake shared multi troll? I was BORN in Australia! In fact all my brothers and sisters were! My mum and dad migrated to Australia from Greece and Italy (respectively) as teenagers in the mid 60's. And the Australian govt invited/paid for them to get here. They did not fly here. They came by cruise ship. They met and married here. I was born here. I was educated here. I've lived here all my life and my children are a mix of Greek, Italian, English, Irish, German and French. I've now buried both my parents here. In Australia. The country where both my parents lived for most of their lives. My son and daughter (from my 1st marriage) still have their paternal grandfathers WW2 medals and actual uniform. As well as all his war photos. They also have the photos and medals of his 2 uncles who fought in Gallipoli. These children ie MY children have blood links to the Anzacs. So yeah I feel very proud to call Australia MY country. And I'll be damned if I'm going to be told by anyone that I'm less of an Australian than anyone else!

Boat people, eh?

Dear oh dear. I'm sure the old boy admires your courage, Miss Cheeky.

He flew here. He's most patriotic when it comes to travel by sea.

You?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 6:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among gruesome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As? Well derr, you did leave your country to come and live in my country ya dumbass :D Morlocks like you were not the attraction for my parents. So you were born in Australia also. Your parents were migrants. Question: Why then are you constantly being told to go back to your own country by these racist morons?

Old boy? Would you care to enlighten Miss Cheeky?

She's looking for love.

And aren't we all in our own way?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1673055040/49

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 10:27pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:58pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 6:15pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 2:23pm: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. try living underground ... about 6 ft should do it Why would I want to live among gruesome and barbaric morlocks like you, Thick As? Now that's a question. Why would you, Sore End, graduate of the prestigious University of Balogney, immigrate to our fine shores to live among grusome and barbaric morlocks like us? We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we? Quiz you for the citizenship test. Was it: A) You wanted to be a part of our rich multicultural tapestry. B) You admired our ancient, 50,000 year old culture. C) You wanted to join the great Australian century, a prosperous middle power, a bridge between new and old, Asia and Europe, tinted and tanned. D) You mistakenly believed we still had the White Australia Policy in place, but it's all good, you've learned otherwise and have been completely rehabilitated. I am not a graduate of the University of Bologna, wee paki bugger, I did a semester as study abroad. Oh, I see. Exchange student, were you? Not from Dubbo, by any chance, are you? We can tell, old boy. We grew here. You?

WTF are you on about? - that is the perennial question, pb.  WTF are you on about?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 5:55pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:03pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 12:38pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:42am: Frank you're an immigrant. Don't ever forget that. Miss Cheeky has a point, old boy. You, yourself, are a naughty old country-shopper. But do you know? Aren't we all, in our own way, immigrants? Don't we all fly off to foreign countries, fill their streets, steal their jobs and breed their fillies? Don't we all complain about multiculturalism, Boongs, the Muselman and the tinted races? And if anyone asks any pesky questions, don't we all call them Pakistani Bastards and tell them to go back to where they came from? Yes, old boy, you're an immigrant too. Don't you ever forget that. And so are you Karnal/Matty. Best you take your own advice first. Not at all, dear. Mattyfisk grew here. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you flew here. And that's okay. Ask the old boy. Aren't we all immigrants in our own stool-sniffing way? WTF are you on about now fake shared multi troll?

There it is again, paki!

Did someone mention Racism on OzPol?

👇 https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1673034287/150#150

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Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries.

https://konto.samnytt.se/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/utvisning-stoppas-feature.jpg

The police know that Majd abuses his partner because they have been alerted to the address on several occasions. They have arrested Majd for assaulting women before. The woman has been in hospital and had her injuries documented. But each time the woman defends her husband - saying that it is she who beats him as much - and everything spills out into the sand.

When the police arrive at the apartment this time, they are met, as so many times before, by a badly bruised woman, a smashed apartment and an aggressive, screaming Syrian. The woman is taken to hospital by ambulance, while the man is arrested and taken to the police station. Like so many times before.

He is sentenced at the same time for another theft, damage and violent resistance in connection with a previous police intervention when he spat and kicked at the intervening police officers.

The penalty will be nine months in prison and a compensation of SEK 120,000 to the woman. It is also decided that Shhada should be deported to his home country of Syria and given a five-year repatriation ban.

The Court of Appeal does increase the penalty to one year and four months in prison, but at the same time annuls the deportation order.

The court believes that the fact that Majd Shhada came to Sweden as a 17-year-old, soon "may become a parent" and risks military service in his home country means that he cannot be deported. He "will be conscripted into war or killed if he is deported there", according to the Court of Appeal.

Therefore, the Syrian violent criminal is allowed to stay in Sweden.

https://samnytt.se/hovratt-stoppar-utvisning-av-valdsman-gjorde-offret-gravid/

Why are all Western countries are importing morlocks?

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 7:01am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 10:01pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 5:55pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 3:03pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 12:38pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:42am: Frank you're an immigrant. Don't ever forget that. Miss Cheeky has a point, old boy. You, yourself, are a naughty old country-shopper. But do you know? Aren't we all, in our own way, immigrants? Don't we all fly off to foreign countries, fill their streets, steal their jobs and breed their fillies? Don't we all complain about multiculturalism, Boongs, the Muselman and the tinted races? And if anyone asks any pesky questions, don't we all call them Pakistani Bastards and tell them to go back to where they came from? Yes, old boy, you're an immigrant too. Don't you ever forget that. And so are you Karnal/Matty. Best you take your own advice first. Not at all, dear. Mattyfisk grew here. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you flew here. And that's okay. Ask the old boy. Aren't we all immigrants in our own stool-sniffing way? WTF are you on about now fake shared multi troll? There it is again, paki!

What are we on about? Oh, that's easy.

You, playing no-speaka with your good old "I like Danish" blow-in status. You?

Yes, dear boy, you. You flew here, we grew here. Who's the naughty old country-shopping Paki?

Would you like it in Urdu?

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 8:54am:

Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. https://konto.samnytt.se/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/utvisning-stoppas-feature.jpg The police know that Majd abuses his partner because they have been alerted to the address on several occasions. They have arrested Majd for assaulting women before. The woman has been in hospital and had her injuries documented. But each time the woman defends her husband - saying that it is she who beats him as much - and everything spills out into the sand. When the police arrive at the apartment this time, they are met, as so many times before, by a badly bruised woman, a smashed apartment and an aggressive, screaming Syrian. The woman is taken to hospital by ambulance, while the man is arrested and taken to the police station. Like so many times before. He is sentenced at the same time for another theft, damage and violent resistance in connection with a previous police intervention when he spat and kicked at the intervening police officers. The penalty will be nine months in prison and a compensation of SEK 120,000 to the woman. It is also decided that Shhada should be deported to his home country of Syria and given a five-year repatriation ban. The Court of Appeal does increase the penalty to one year and four months in prison, but at the same time annuls the deportation order. The court believes that the fact that Majd Shhada came to Sweden as a 17-year-old, soon "may become a parent" and risks military service in his home country means that he cannot be deported. He "will be conscripted into war or killed if he is deported there", according to the Court of Appeal. Therefore, the Syrian violent criminal is allowed to stay in Sweden. https://samnytt.se/hovratt-stoppar-utvisning-av-valdsman-gjorde-offret-gravid/ Why are all Western countries are importing morlocks?

That's an easy one too, dear boy:

Because you people keep coming. Hoardes of you, swarming in like locusts and devouring everything in your path. Stealing our jobs, filling our roads and bashing our women.

https://cphpost.dk/?p=131395#:~:text=A%20huge%20World%20Health%20Organization,on%20at%20least%20one%20occasion.

The statistics show that one in four of you are naughty old perps, but do you know? It's a risk we're prepared to take.

You add flavour to our rich, multicultural stew, no?

Head 'em up - and move 'em out.... the next boat to leave is the Reverse Boat People Express stopping only somewhere in West Papua and points north and west for all dissidents and malfeasants and discontents ..... Allll Abo-ard!!

Karnal wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 8:54am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. https://konto.samnytt.se/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/utvisning-stoppas-feature.jpg The police know that Majd abuses his partner because they have been alerted to the address on several occasions. They have arrested Majd for assaulting women before. The woman has been in hospital and had her injuries documented. But each time the woman defends her husband - saying that it is she who beats him as much - and everything spills out into the sand. When the police arrive at the apartment this time, they are met, as so many times before, by a badly bruised woman, a smashed apartment and an aggressive, screaming Syrian. The woman is taken to hospital by ambulance, while the man is arrested and taken to the police station. Like so many times before. He is sentenced at the same time for another theft, damage and violent resistance in connection with a previous police intervention when he spat and kicked at the intervening police officers. The penalty will be nine months in prison and a compensation of SEK 120,000 to the woman. It is also decided that Shhada should be deported to his home country of Syria and given a five-year repatriation ban. The Court of Appeal does increase the penalty to one year and four months in prison, but at the same time annuls the deportation order. The court believes that the fact that Majd Shhada came to Sweden as a 17-year-old, soon "may become a parent" and risks military service in his home country means that he cannot be deported. He "will be conscripted into war or killed if he is deported there", according to the Court of Appeal. Therefore, the Syrian violent criminal is allowed to stay in Sweden. https://samnytt.se/hovratt-stoppar-utvisning-av-valdsman-gjorde-offret-gravid/ Why are all Western countries are importing morlocks? That's an easy one too, dear boy: Because you people keep coming. Hoardes of you, swarming in like locusts and devouring everything in your path. Stealing our jobs, filling our roads and bashing our women. https://cphpost.dk/?p=131395#:~:text=A%20huge%20World%20Health%20Organization,on%20at%20least%20one%20occasion. The statistics show that one in four of you are naughty old perps, but do you know? It's a risk we're prepared to take. You add flavour to our rich, multicultural stew, no?

As in Sweden, so in Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Germany, England, Austria.

In 2018, Uppdrag Granskning, a TV-program broadcasted on Swedish state television, surveyed every individual registered for rape or attempted rape between 2012 and 2017. 58% were foreign-born. Among the remaining 42% born in Sweden, some had a migrant background as children to foreign-born, but their exact proportion was not presented. Among those registered for attempted, and completed sexual assault, where victim and criminal were strangers, a good 80% were foreign-born.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-019-00436-8
See also
https://www.spectator.com.au/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/

Might need another increase in the migrant intake to deal with this (and who didn't see this coming?).

Employees retiring early due to the COVID pandemic


Quote:

InvestSMART Chief Market Strategist Evan Lucas says the COVID pandemic has pushed people to retire early, causing an inconvenience with the overall employment market. “More people have fallen out of work and haven’t come back,” Mr Lucas told Sky News Australia. “We know that about 1 to 1.5 per cent of the population per year retires; it’s currently sitting at 3 per cent. “The pandemic has fast-forwarded people’s expectations around work towards retirement sooner than expected rather than to a new job.”

Can't say I blame them. If I hadn't retired myself at the end of June 2019, 6 months before the pandemic started I definitely would have done it in the past 12 months.

Of course, the other "solution" to the problem will no doubt be for the Federal government to raise the pension age even further - to 70 or more like Scott Morrison and the Liberals were thinking about doing not long before the 2019 Federal election (which they quickly dropped, of course).

Oh, and they will probably also want to raise the age when you can access your super too... I heard there were 'moves afoot' a few years back to stop people accessing their super until they reached pension age. Only those with a genuine need to access their super earlier would be allowed to - and I bet the government would make it as difficult as possible for people to do that.

Why I dislike multiculturalism - it is a complete one way sham:


The bustling East London neighbourhood that feels like you're living in Bangladesh
More than half the residents are Bangladeshi in this corner of East London, and for many it feels like home

“The best thing about living in Shadwell is you are living with people like you,” says a local who has lived and traded in the area for more than 20 years. The heartland of the Bangladeshi community in London falls within the borough of Tower Hamlets, where over 40 per cent of people are Bangladeshi. In Shadwell North, that figure rises to 54.7 per cent.

“It was a good area to live in before and it is now, but things have changed. Before there were less people and it wasn’t as crowded. The area used to be quieter and cleaner but these things have changed too.” (you can say that again)
“The shops, restaurants, mosques and everything in the area caters to the the Bangladeshi community and there is a strong sense of community.”

Local Imam Ibrahim Ali, 27 from the Ashaadibi Centre said the congregation is largely Bangladeshi with Somali and Arab Muslims coming to join prayers too. Ibrahim said: “The mosque does what it can by putting on activities for men and women in the community especially the youth because there aren't many youth centres or opportunities.”

He added: “People in this area are treated like second class citizens, they are living in crowded houses and there is a lack of opportunity and role models in the area. I think the lack of opportunity will see young people leave the area over the years." (Well, you form ghettos, what did you expect?)

https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/bustling-east-london-neighbourhood-feels-25936689


Why go to the West to play Bangladeshi, to be with Bangladeshis? Same for all the ghetto-forming third worlders.

“People in this area are treated like second class citizens, they are living in crowded houses and there is a lack of opportunity and role models in the area. I think the lack of opportunity will see young people leave the area over the years."

We have much the same problem here - people choosing to live that way because they don't know any better.  They treat themselves that way - nobody else does - same as the Abos.

Choice-mobile, son - that's what  it's all about...

Ok.. OK:-

"Treated like second class citizens."  How and by whom?  You mean they can't vote etc?

"Living in crowded houses."  Well - DE-crowd them!

"Lack of opportunity."  You mean they can't go to uni, can't go to schools, can't get a trade, can't find a job?  Tell it to their PM....

"lack of role models." Well Bug Army!  So where are they in that 'community'? Kind of the Abo 'Elders' who do and say nothing unless it's sit down with whitey for a handout instead of guiding and leading the young guns.  Smoking hash and sitting around whining about how badly Britain treats them?  Talking holy war against the oppressor?

All sounds familiar to me....

They are not forced to build their own ghettoes and the problems in those... like Abos in broken down houses provided out West, they do that to themselves.

Call it what you like - it is way past time to stop bringing in all these different groups and being the dumping ground for all the Third World.  We all know that the government of two parties wants to 'equalise' us all across the globe - as long as they are not included there - either so they can enjoy a Third World workforce as the new Overlords or so they can lie back in the warm feeling that they've saved the world while they themselves are lying back in riches and luxury and they and their families are becoming the new Overlords with all the money and power.

Nothing but a reversion to the old Feudal days ..... nothing 'progressive' about it in any way.  Destructive of our culture and society is the word.

Time for the people to wake up, stand up and be counted where it counts.  Stop voting for any politician who supports any of the current madness.....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmb3ZNIacAAw_mR?.jpg

Carl D wrote on Jan 12^th, 2023 at 11:56pm:

Might need another increase in the migrant intake to deal with this (and who didn't see this coming?). Employees retiring early due to the COVID pandemic Quote: InvestSMART Chief Market Strategist Evan Lucas says the COVID pandemic has pushed people to retire early, causing an inconvenience with the overall employment market. “More people have fallen out of work and haven’t come back,” Mr Lucas told Sky News Australia. “We know that about 1 to 1.5 per cent of the population per year retires; it’s currently sitting at 3 per cent. “The pandemic has fast-forwarded people’s expectations around work towards retirement sooner than expected rather than to a new job.” Can't say I blame them. If I hadn't retired myself at the end of June 2019, 6 months before the pandemic started I definitely would have done it in the past 12 months. Of course, the other "solution" to the problem will no doubt be for the Federal government to raise the pension age even further - to 70 or more like Scott Morrison and the Liberals were thinking about doing not long before the 2019 Federal election (which they quickly dropped, of course). Oh, and they will probably also want to raise the age when you can access your super too... I heard there were 'moves afoot' a few years back to stop people accessing their super until they reached pension age. Only those with a genuine need to access their super earlier would be allowed to - and I bet the government would make it as difficult as possible for people to do that.

It might be smart if the Oz nation funded TAFE again and educated its own working age population rather than relying on immigration, especially since the housing, road and health infrastructure is already inadequate for the needs of the current population. 

https://www.nswtf.org.au/news/2021/05/13/federal-budget-lets-down-tafe-sector-again/

Federal Budget lets down TAFE sector, again

"Since 2013, TAFE has suffered more than $3 billion in funding cuts. These cuts have had a devastating effect on TAFE.

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2023 at 10:07am:

Why I dislike multiculturalism - it is a complete one way sham: The bustling East London neighbourhood that feels like you're living in Bangladesh More than half the residents are Bangladeshi in this corner of East London, and for many it feels like home “The best thing about living in Shadwell is you are living with people like you,” says a local who has lived and traded in the area for more than 20 years. The heartland of the Bangladeshi community in London falls within the borough of Tower Hamlets, where over 40 per cent of people are Bangladeshi. In Shadwell North, that figure rises to 54.7 per cent. “It was a good area to live in before and it is now, but things have changed. Before there were less people and it wasn’t as crowded. The area used to be quieter and cleaner but these things have changed too.” (you can say that again) “The shops, restaurants, mosques and everything in the area caters to the the Bangladeshi community and there is a strong sense of community.” Local Imam Ibrahim Ali, 27 from the Ashaadibi Centre said the congregation is largely Bangladeshi with Somali and Arab Muslims coming to join prayers too. Ibrahim said: “The mosque does what it can by putting on activities for men and women in the community especially the youth because there aren't many youth centres or opportunities.” He added: “People in this area are treated like second class citizens, they are living in crowded houses and there is a lack of opportunity and role models in the area. I think the lack of opportunity will see young people leave the area over the years." (Well, you form ghettos, what did you expect?) https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/bustling-east-london-neighbourhood-feels-25936689 Why go to the West to play Bangladeshi, to be with Bangladeshis? Same for all the ghetto-forming third worlders.

And why come to Australia to be with the Boongs?

You tell me that.

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 11:07am: Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 8:54am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:57am: Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 8:24am: 'Multiculturalism'. It's dreadful. you are free to farkk off back home whenever you like .... in fact, the sooner the better It's everywhere in Western countries. If you want to escape multiculturalism you have to go to the grusome third world shiteholes- from where all the unassimilating cultural separatists are pouring into Western countries. https://konto.samnytt.se/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/utvisning-stoppas-feature.jpg The police know that Majd abuses his partner because they have been alerted to the address on several occasions. They have arrested Majd for assaulting women before. The woman has been in hospital and had her injuries documented. But each time the woman defends her husband - saying that it is she who beats him as much - and everything spills out into the sand. When the police arrive at the apartment this time, they are met, as so many times before, by a badly bruised woman, a smashed apartment and an aggressive, screaming Syrian. The woman is taken to hospital by ambulance, while the man is arrested and taken to the police station. Like so many times before. He is sentenced at the same time for another theft, damage and violent resistance in connection with a previous police intervention when he spat and kicked at the intervening police officers. The penalty will be nine months in prison and a compensation of SEK 120,000 to the woman. It is also decided that Shhada should be deported to his home country of Syria and given a five-year repatriation ban. The Court of Appeal does increase the penalty to one year and four months in prison, but at the same time annuls the deportation order. The court believes that the fact that Majd Shhada came to Sweden as a 17-year-old, soon "may become a parent" and risks military service in his home country means that he cannot be deported. He "will be conscripted into war or killed if he is deported there", according to the Court of Appeal. Therefore, the Syrian violent criminal is allowed to stay in Sweden. https://samnytt.se/hovratt-stoppar-utvisning-av-valdsman-gjorde-offret-gravid/ Why are all Western countries are importing morlocks? That's an easy one too, dear boy: Because you people keep coming. Hoardes of you, swarming in like locusts and devouring everything in your path. Stealing our jobs, filling our roads and bashing our women. https://cphpost.dk/?p=131395#:~:text=A%20huge%20World%20Health%20Organization,on%20at%20least%20one%20occasion. The statistics show that one in four of you are naughty old perps, but do you know? It's a risk we're prepared to take. You add flavour to our rich, multicultural stew, no? As in Sweden, so in Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Germany, England, Austria. In 2018, Uppdrag Granskning, a TV-program broadcasted on Swedish state television, surveyed every individual registered for rape or attempted rape between 2012 and 2017. 58% were foreign-born. Among the remaining 42% born in Sweden, some had a migrant background as children to foreign-born, but their exact proportion was not presented. Among those registered for attempted, and completed sexual assault, where victim and criminal were strangers, a good 80% were foreign-born. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-019-00436-8 See also https://www.spectator.com.au/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/

Oh, I see. You like Swedish now, do you?

Cunning, no?

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 14^th, 2023 at 10:25am:

Call it what you like - it is way past time to stop bringing in all these different groups and being the dumping ground for all the Third World.  We all know that the government of two parties wants to 'equalise' us all across the globe - as long as they are not included there - either so they can enjoy a Third World workforce as the new Overlords or so they can lie back in the warm feeling that they've saved the world while they themselves are lying back in riches and luxury and they and their families are becoming the new Overlords with all the money and power.

International co-operation and institutions designed to engender sustainable growth in all nations is required.

But the obsolete concept of "national sovereignty" is a barrier to international co-operation and setting up the necessary institutions ( eg Keynes' "clearing union" concept").  

Therefore you must deal with the consequences of people forced to flee from the entrenched 3rd world poverty, aided and abetted by governments following the delusional "infinite growth" theory of economics in the 1st world.    

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 14th, 2023 at 10:25am: Call it what you like - it is way past time to stop bringing in all these different groups and being the dumping ground for all the Third World.  We all know that the government of two parties wants to 'equalise' us all across the globe - as long as they are not included there - either so they can enjoy a Third World workforce as the new Overlords or so they can lie back in the warm feeling that they've saved the world while they themselves are lying back in riches and luxury and they and their families are becoming the new Overlords with all the money and power. International co-operation and institutions designed to engender sustainable growth in all nations is required. But the obsolete concept of "national sovereignty" is a barrier to international co-operation.    Therefore you must deal with the consequences of people forced to flee from the '3rd world', aided and abetted by governments following the delusional "infinite growth" theory of economics.

Just accept that you will never dispose of 'national sovereignty' and move on.  We are not 'forced' to deal with the consequences of people forced to flee etc - what is at question here and now is the values applied on who gets in and who doesn't and on what basis.

Huge difference.  Australia could lock the gates tomorrow - no difference to how it's actually handled - but we have NO compulsion to take in anyone - it's a voluntary component of our (gasps) national sovereignty - the alternative is to be wide open to invasion from anyone and anywhere.

I'd suggest you start with the more recalcitrant nations first in your Noble Crusade... get - say - Iran and Afghanistan - many African nations - China... Russia and so forth to accept your global rule of Capital City - then we can start on the 'easy' nations, eh?

99 Luftballons.... filled with Hot Air.  So governments are deluded in bringing in endless queues of non-residents/Outlanders etc to sustain 'growth' - and yet your concept will not be infinitely worse in having wide open gates, which apparently will have no effect on anything inside?  Perhaps you need to look at the concept of comparative growth/economic power and distribution of prosperity.

A Third World cesspot will not 'grow' substantially.... and yet you want to feed its people off the 'growth' and prosperity of others?

https://media.tenor.com/PnVGXFDkX1UAAAAC/stupid-trump.gif

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 9:09am:

Just accept that you will never dispose of 'national sovereignty' and move on.

No way, just as Wilberforce never accepted slavery.


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We are not 'forced' to deal with the consequences of people forced to flee etc -

Hey ...do you look at the politics of the US-Mexican border, and Howard's 'people-overboard' Tampa controversy?

Of course not, your powers of analysis are flawed and inadequate, crippled by the Libertarian 'individual rights' ideology (exposed in the 'Delusions' thread).



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what is at question here and now is the values applied on who gets in and who doesn't and on what basis.

No doubt; but refugees shouldn't be trying to get here in the first place; people don't want to leave their own countries if they can prosper at home. 


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Huge difference.  Australia could lock the gates tomorrow - no difference to how it's actually handled - but we have NO compulsion to take in anyone - it's a voluntary component of our (gasps) national sovereignty - the alternative is to be wide open to invasion from anyone and anywhere.

Stop and think why you gasped....international law with sustainable development in all nations would eliminate both "compulsory' and 'voluntary' immigration ie, vis a vis the nation taking in the forced immigrants/refugees. 


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I'd suggest you start with the more recalcitrant nations first in your Noble Crusade... get - say - Iran and Afghanistan - many African nations - China... Russia and so forth to accept your global rule of Capital City - then we can start on the 'easy' nations, eh?

The US, determined to maintain global hegemony, is the toughest nut of all to crack. It's the US who rejected Keynes' 'clearing union' concept at the end of WW2.


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99 Luftballons.... filled with Hot Air.  So governments are deluded in bringing in endless queues of non-residents/Outlanders etc to sustain 'growth'

Yes, 'continuous growth' is a one-way ticket to extinction, in a finite world.


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- and yet your concept will not be infinitely worse in having wide open gates, which apparently will have no effect on anything inside?

Hey I'm anti forced-mass-migration, remember.  


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Perhaps you need to look at the concept of comparative growth/economic power and distribution of prosperity.

I'm the one arguing for sustainable prosperity in all nations, remember...( and a JG in Oz...)


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A Third World cesspot will not 'grow' substantially.... and yet you want to feed its people off the 'growth' and prosperity of others?

See? your disgraceful theory that poverty cesspots have themselves to blame, while the Instant Misery Fund (IMF)  rips interest on unrepayable debt out of the 3rd world.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 10:32am:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 9:09am: Just accept that you will never dispose of 'national sovereignty' and move on.  No way, just as Wilberforce never accepted slavery. Quote: We are not 'forced' to deal with the consequences of people forced to flee etc - Hey ...do you look at the politics of the US-Mexican border, and Howard's 'people-overboard' Tampa controversy? Of course not, your powers of analysis are flawed and inadequate, crippled by the Libertarian 'individual rights' ideology (exposed in the 'Delusions' thread). [quote]  what is at question here and now is the values applied on who gets in and who doesn't and on what basis.

No doubt; but refugees shouldn't be trying to get here in the first place; people don't want to leave their own countries if they can prosper at home. 


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Huge difference.  Australia could lock the gates tomorrow - no difference to how it's actually handled - but we have NO compulsion to take in anyone - it's a voluntary component of our (gasps) national sovereignty - the alternative is to be wide open to invasion from anyone and anywhere.

Stop and think why you gasped....international law with sustainable development in all nations would eliminate both "compulsory' and 'voluntary' immigration ie, vis a vis the nation taking in the forced immigrants/refugees. 


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I'd suggest you start with the more recalcitrant nations first in your Noble Crusade... get - say - Iran and Afghanistan - many African nations - China... Russia and so forth to accept your global rule of Capital City - then we can start on the 'easy' nations, eh?

The US, determined to maintain global hegemony, is the toughest nut of all to crack. It's the US who rejected Keynes' 'clearing union' concept at the end of WW2.


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99 Luftballons.... filled with Hot Air.  So governments are deluded in bringing in endless queues of non-residents/Outlanders etc to sustain 'growth'

Yes, 'continuous growth' is a one-way ticket to extinction, in a finite world.


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- and yet your concept will not be infinitely worse in having wide open gates, which apparently will have no effect on anything inside?

Hey I'm anti forced-mass-migration, remember.  


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Perhaps you need to look at the concept of comparative growth/economic power and distribution of prosperity.

I'm the one arguing for sustainable prosperity in all nations, remember...( and a JG in Oz...)


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A Third World cesspot will not 'grow' substantially.... and yet you want to feed its people off the 'growth' and prosperity of others?

See? your disgraceful theory that poverty cesspots have themselves to blame, while the Instant Misery Fund (IMF)  rips interest on unrepayable debt out of the 3rd world.


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Absurdities all the way through... try again.

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 2:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 10:32am: Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 9:09am: Just accept that you will never dispose of 'national sovereignty' and move on.  No way, just as Wilberforce never accepted slavery. Quote: We are not 'forced' to deal with the consequences of people forced to flee etc - Hey ...do you look at the politics of the US-Mexican border, and Howard's 'people-overboard' Tampa controversy? Of course not, your powers of analysis are flawed and inadequate, crippled by the Libertarian 'individual rights' ideology (exposed in the 'Delusions' thread). [quote]  what is at question here and now is the values applied on who gets in and who doesn't and on what basis. No doubt; but refugees shouldn't be trying to get here in the first place; people don't want to leave their own countries if they can prosper at home.  [quote]Huge difference.  Australia could lock the gates tomorrow - no difference to how it's actually handled - but we have NO compulsion to take in anyone - it's a voluntary component of our (gasps) national sovereignty - the alternative is to be wide open to invasion from anyone and anywhere.

Stop and think why you gasped....international law with sustainable development in all nations would eliminate both "compulsory' and 'voluntary' immigration ie, vis a vis the nation taking in the forced immigrants/refugees. 


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I'd suggest you start with the more recalcitrant nations first in your Noble Crusade... get - say - Iran and Afghanistan - many African nations - China... Russia and so forth to accept your global rule of Capital City - then we can start on the 'easy' nations, eh?

The US, determined to maintain global hegemony, is the toughest nut of all to crack. It's the US who rejected Keynes' 'clearing union' concept at the end of WW2.


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99 Luftballons.... filled with Hot Air.  So governments are deluded in bringing in endless queues of non-residents/Outlanders etc to sustain 'growth'

Yes, 'continuous growth' is a one-way ticket to extinction, in a finite world.


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- and yet your concept will not be infinitely worse in having wide open gates, which apparently will have no effect on anything inside?

Hey I'm anti forced-mass-migration, remember.  


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Perhaps you need to look at the concept of comparative growth/economic power and distribution of prosperity.

I'm the one arguing for sustainable prosperity in all nations, remember...( and a JG in Oz...)


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A Third World cesspot will not 'grow' substantially.... and yet you want to feed its people off the 'growth' and prosperity of others?

See? your disgraceful theory that poverty cesspots have themselves to blame, while the Instant Misery Fund (IMF)  rips interest on unrepayable debt out of the 3rd world.


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Absurdities all the way through... try again.
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That's not debate; refute the points made. Hint: your delusional sovereignty of the individual ideology will render your analysis invalid every time.

Time to put the plug in on immigration and start to nurture our own first and stop this insane artificial growth of a ridiculous housing scheme which is about the only game in town these days apart from Offshore Pirates robbing natural resources out of the ground and actually charging us to do it.

This country is full already and we don't need any more.... and while we're at it - let's use our national sovereignty as fully supported by the UN, and Reverse Boat People those who don't want to be a constructive part of the future of this nation.... head 'em up and move 'em out.... along with those who claim they are sovereign citizens of somewhere else here - some fairyland of the past... round 'em up and move 'em to a safe space.....  Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's - and unto Abo lore that which is Abo lore.... but when in Roma, don't shoot the cops....

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 1:14pm:

Time to put the plug in on immigration and start to nurture our own first and stop this insane artificial growth of a ridiculous housing scheme which is about the only game in town these days apart from Offshore Pirates robbing natural resources out of the ground and actually charging us to do it.

So far so good. Well done :-)


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This country is full already and we don't need any more....

still correct...


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and while we're at it - let's use our national sovereignty as fully supported by the UN, and Reverse Boat People those who don't want to be a constructive part of the future of this nation....

oh dear, the errors are abounding now...

1. The UN is crippled by the obsolete concept of 'national sovereignty'

2. Boat people are a consequence of a failing global economic system which enriches rich nations at the expense of poor nations.

3. people denied above-poverty participation CANNOT  play a constructive role.

[ Note: Dreyfus denied police and army assistance for the current crime wave in the Alice, putting the responsibility back onto the N.T. which doesn't have the resources to deal with the problem. Pathetic; and ignoring the disastrous role of alcohol and unemployment]. 



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head 'em up and move 'em out.... along with those who claim they are sovereign citizens of somewhere else here - some fairyland of the past... round 'em up and move 'em to a safe space.....  Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's - and unto Abo lore that which is Abo lore.... but when in Roma, don't shoot the cops....

Note: not only blacks claim they are sovereign citizens - don't look in the mirror.

It’s not racist to debate immigration levels


An important piece of research released on Wednesday by the Australian Population Research Institute shows, says its author, demographer Katharine Betts, that “many Australians feel silenced and afraid to speak on some public matters … because they don’t want to be labelled as racist”.

Her conclusion is based on a detailed survey last year of more than 3000 Australians (weighted to be representative) who were asked: “Do you think that people who raise questions about immigration being too high are sometimes seen as racist?” Only 36 per cent said no and 13 per cent “don’t know”.

The 51 per cent who said yes were then asked to choose between two statements: “This is unfair because very few of them are racist”, to which 33 per cent of the overall sample agreed; or “This is because they usually are racist”, to which 19 per cent agreed.

Betts says this 19 per cent, whom she terms “guardians against racism”, who were disproportionately in favour of high immigration and felt disproportion­ately more free to talk about their views, tended to be “younger, better educated and more financially secure than other voters” and therefore had a “pervasive … role in keeping a lid on open debate”.

“Theirs is a moral position, not a material one” she says, and “because of this they are likely to see those who don’t share their position as morally suspect and to see their shaming as legitimate”.

These guardians against rac­ism, Betts says, have created a “censorious climate” that “mutes public discussion but seems not to have changed the opinions of the majority”.

Overall, 70 per cent thought Australia should have “somewhat lower”, “much lower” or “nil” levels of net migration. Yet thanks to her so-called guardians against racism, Betts thinks, this strong majority is rarely heard in public debate and has almost no impact on public policy.

July 2023
Katharine Betts, Free speech on immigration versus the guardians against racism
https://tapri.org.au/research-reports/
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/its-not-racist-to-debate-immigration-levels/news-story/7814a7d7acb237a382844e48390d7856

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 11:17am:

It’s not racist to debate immigration levels

Of course not.

But it is ignorant not to consider the causes of the refugee crises around the world.

Building walls is not the answer.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:17am: It’s not racist to debate immigration levels Of course not. But it is ignorant not to consider the causes of the refugee crises around the world. Building walls is not the answer.

We are talking about Australian immigration in this thread, silly parrot.
Federal Politics board.

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 11:32am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:23am: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:17am: It’s not racist to debate immigration levels Of course not. But it is ignorant not to consider the causes of the refugee crises around the world. Building walls is not the answer. We are talking about Australian immigration in this thread, silly parrot. Federal Politics board.

ie, including  the people locked up on Manus Is. , awaitng cofirmation of their status re setting in Oz?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:32am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:23am: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:17am: It’s not racist to debate immigration levels Of course not. But it is ignorant not to consider the causes of the refugee crises around the world. Building walls is not the answer. We are talking about Australian immigration in this thread, silly parrot. Federal Politics board. ie, including  the people locked up on Manus Is. , awaitng cofirmation of their status re setting in Oz?

No. Those are illegal would-be queue jumpers who were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and learn.

They are not locked up on Manus Island, they are free to go wherever they want to go, China,  Vietnam, Japan, India, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, anywhere.
Just not Australia.

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 3:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 2:48pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:32am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:23am: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:17am: It’s not racist to debate immigration levels Of course not. But it is ignorant not to consider the causes of the refugee crises around the world. Building walls is not the answer. We are talking about Australian immigration in this thread, silly parrot. Federal Politics board. ie, including  the people locked up on Manus Is. , awaitng cofirmation of their status re setting in Oz? No. Those are illegal would-be queue jumpers who were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and learn.

If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern.


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They are not locked up on Manus Island, they are free to go wherever they want to go, China,  Vietnam, Japan, India, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, anywhere. Just not Australia.

Why not? Both political parties have an idiotic 'big Australia' policy, courtesy of flawed neoclassical "continuous gowth" ideology.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 3:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 2:48pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:32am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:23am: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 11:17am: It’s not racist to debate immigration levels Of course not. But it is ignorant not to consider the causes of the refugee crises around the world. Building walls is not the answer. We are talking about Australian immigration in this thread, silly parrot. Federal Politics board. ie, including  the people locked up on Manus Is. , awaitng cofirmation of their status re setting in Oz? No. Those are illegal would-be queue jumpers who were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and learn. If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern. Quote: They are not locked up on Manus Island, they are free to go wherever they want to go, China,  Vietnam, Japan, India, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, anywhere. Just not Australia. Why not? Both political parties have an idiotic 'big Australia' policy, courtesy of flawed neoclassical "continuous gowth" ideology.

Why not???
They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend.

Did you miss it?

"If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern".

Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it...

None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.
Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there.
Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Tellembuggerem.

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it... None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals.

They PAID the people smugglers; obviously they didn't like their chances in the $2k per capita GDP Indonesian  job market.


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Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there. Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either.

Is it any more illegal to enter France than the UK?

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Tellembuggerem.

Of course YOU aren't interested in solving the global refugee crisis.

Frank wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 11:23am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:09am: Quote: But university is (or should be) demanding. So to make is 'accessible' they dumbed most uni courses down to the level where you can enrol in a teaching degree with an ATAR of 36 (Federation Uni). Social Work (Disability) 45.  A third to half of these low ability students drop out after a year or two Frank - those figures can't be right. 36?? 45?? Who would get such a ridiculously low ATAR in the first place? They are not even the lowest.  https://www.courseseeker.edu.au/courses

I’ve only just noticed this 👆

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Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats.

They don't all get fox news in buggeroffistan

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it... None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals. Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there. Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either. Tellembuggerem.

Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:45pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it... None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals. Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there. Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either. Tellembuggerem. Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.

Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years?

Indonesia is  not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection.

We are supposed to do better.  We promised to.

This is, of course, all lost on you.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:45pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it... None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals. Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there. Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either. Tellembuggerem. Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays.

Just when i think you couldn't be more out of touch with reality ....

mothra wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:16am: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:45pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it... None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals. Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there. Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either. Tellembuggerem. Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays. Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years? Indonesia is  not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection. We are supposed to do better.  We promised to. This is, of course, all lost on you.

So why fly there, on commercial flights? Because it is a Muslim country, corrupt like the rest of them, and complicit in the people smuggling business.

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:16am: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:45pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it... None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals. Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there. Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either. Tellembuggerem. Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays. Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years? Indonesia is  not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection. We are supposed to do better.  We promised to. This is, of course, all lost on you. So why fly there, on commercial flights? Because it is a Muslim country, corrupt like the rest of them, and complicit in the people smuggling business.

Mostly old boy, they don't fly there. An if they do, so what? It's a step away from death.

Why does THIS point keep needing to be made?

Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention)

Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:47am:

Why does THIS point keep needing to be made? Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention) Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

I'm sorry, what are you arguing here?

That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:16am: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:45pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it... None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals. Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there. Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either. Tellembuggerem. Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays. Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years? Indonesia is  not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection. We are supposed to do better.  We promised to. This is, of course, all lost on you. So why fly there, on commercial flights? Because it is a Muslim country, corrupt like the rest of them, and complicit in the people smuggling business.

You’re wasting your time. Manic Methra has been online all night again. IT’S IMPLODING now.

mothra wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:39am:

Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:26am: mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:16am: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:45pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it... None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals. Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there. Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either. Tellembuggerem. Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays. Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years? Indonesia is  not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection. We are supposed to do better.  We promised to. This is, of course, all lost on you. So why fly there, on commercial flights? Because it is a Muslim country, corrupt like the rest of them, and complicit in the people smuggling business. Mostly old boy, they don't fly there. An if they do, so what? It's a step away from death.

:D :D

Don't be an idiot. Of course they fly there. Do you think they drive from Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan to Labuhan, West Java and other Indonesian ports???

So what? So they are lying to the Indonesia (which is happy to take their bribes) and lying to Australia (which isn't).
So there is lying at the heart of the matter, from the get-go.


PNG, Solom Islands, Philipines, Timor Leste - just as far from the Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan as Indonesia, all signatories to the Refugee convention.
Why don't they make their ways to any of those countries?

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:47am:

Why does THIS point keep needing to be made? Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention) Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

👌

mothra wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:50am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am: Why does THIS point keep needing to be made? Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention) Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. I'm sorry, what are you arguing here? That we're right to lock them up indefinitely?

They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island.

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:39am: Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:26am: mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:19am: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:16am: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:45pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it... None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals. Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there. Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either. Tellembuggerem. Indonesia??? People GO THERE for holidays. Why does this point keep needing to be made? After all these years? Indonesia is  not a signatory to the UN convention we are signatory to. They offer no assistance and no protection. We are supposed to do better.  We promised to. This is, of course, all lost on you. So why fly there, on commercial flights? Because it is a Muslim country, corrupt like the rest of them, and complicit in the people smuggling business. Mostly old boy, they don't fly there. An if they do, so what? It's a step away from death. :D :D Don't be an idiot. Of course they fly there. Do you think they drive from Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan to Labuhan, West Java and other Indonesian ports??? So what? So they are lying to the Indonesia (which is happy to take their bribes) and lying to Australia (which isn't). So there is lying at the heart of the matter, from the get-go. PNG, Solom Islands, Philipines, Timor Leste - just as far from the Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan as Indonesia, all signatories to the Refugee convention. Why don't they make their ways to any of those countries?

Would you care to reword that and remove the spittle so it makes seense?

Who precisely are you claiming are signatories to the UN convention on refugees? And what is it that these countries have to offer refugees?

Why do you resent them coming here so much?

You must know by know it;s a tiny fraction of out immigration "budget" and almost all of them turn out to be bona fide refugees.

Too tinted for you, i expect. Coming from countries where colonialism ended to soon, eh old boy?

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 8:59am:

mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am: The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am: Why does THIS point keep needing to be made? Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention) Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. I'm sorry, what are you arguing here? That we're right to lock them up indefinitely? They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island.

Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am: mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am: The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am: Why does THIS point keep needing to be made? Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention) Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. I'm sorry, what are you arguing here? That we're right to lock them up indefinitely? They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island. Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.

Of course. Because people fleeing for their lives are always on the look out for a good holiday deal.

I mean there's stupid and then ....

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am: mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am: The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am: Why does THIS point keep needing to be made? Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention) Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. I'm sorry, what are you arguing here? That we're right to lock them up indefinitely? They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island. Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.

In fact lots of Aussies fly over there for their holidays. A very popular place indeed. Very friendly too.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:05am: Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am: mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am: The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am: Why does THIS point keep needing to be made? Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention) Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. I'm sorry, what are you arguing here? That we're right to lock them up indefinitely? They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island. Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination. In fact lots of Aussies fly over there for their holidays. A very popular place indeed. Very friendly too.

Does Indonesia allow refugees to settle there, Larry?

Is it a signatory to the Geneva Convention on refugees and asylum seekers, Larry?

Frank wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 4:00pm: Why not??? They were told, loud and clear, not to try to come on people smuggler boats. Buf they were like you: couldn't listen and comprehend. Did you miss it? "If you are escaping a failed state - failed because of your vicious 'survival of the fittest' ideology unfolding on a global scale - listening and learning might not be your prime concern". Hmm...blind ideology might have prevented you from seeing it... None of them were escaping from Indonesia, not a failed state but a safe country from which all THEN were unsuccessfuloy smuggled by criminals. Escaping a failed state to a safe country is ok. But it does not give you the right to then illegally enter a third country and demand to be settle there. Look what's  happening across the English Chanel. Those hordes are not Frenchies escaping the horrors of the Islamification of France, either. Tellembuggerem.

NotSoGreat is NotSoOnline today 😂🤣😆

mothra wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:04am:

Would you care to reword that and remove the spittle so it makes seense? Who precisely are you claiming are signatories to the UN convention on refugees? And what is it that these countries have to offer refugees? Why do you resent them coming here so much? You must know by know it;s a tiny fraction of out immigration "budget" and almost all of them turn out to be bona fide refugees. Too tinted for you, i expect. Coming from countries where colonialism ended to soon, eh old boy?

PNG, Timor Leste, Solomon Islands, Philippines - all signatories to the Refugee convention.
What they have to offer to refugees is a lot more than countries that are not signatories, like Indonesia, Malaysia.

It is not about resentment.

The 'tiny fraction' is a huge lie. In 2012 there were 17,000, in 2013 - 13,000.

Being undocumented, they were given the benefit of the doubt. Being undocumented, they cannot prove their bona fides by definition.

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:24am:

mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:04am: Would you care to reword that and remove the spittle so it makes seense? Who precisely are you claiming are signatories to the UN convention on refugees? And what is it that these countries have to offer refugees? Why do you resent them coming here so much? You must know by know it;s a tiny fraction of out immigration "budget" and almost all of them turn out to be bona fide refugees. Too tinted for you, i expect. Coming from countries where colonialism ended to soon, eh old boy? PNG, Timor Leste, Solomon Islands, Philippines - all signatories to the Refugee convention. What they have to offer to refugees is a lot more than countries that are not signatories, like Indonesia, Malaysia. It is not about resentment. The 'tiny fraction' is a huge lie. In 2012 there were 17,000, in 2013 - 13,000. Being undocumented, they were given the benefit of the doubt. Being undocumented, they cannot prove their bona fides by definition.

They were NEVER given the benefit of the doubt. They were grilled. You absolute liar.

And all this is a decade old?

How about now, Fruitbat?

Frank wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:24am:

mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:04am: Would you care to reword that and remove the spittle so it makes seense? Who precisely are you claiming are signatories to the UN convention on refugees? And what is it that these countries have to offer refugees? Why do you resent them coming here so much? You must know by know it;s a tiny fraction of out immigration "budget" and almost all of them turn out to be bona fide refugees. Too tinted for you, i expect. Coming from countries where colonialism ended to soon, eh old boy? PNG, Timor Leste, Solomon Islands, Philippines - all signatories to the Refugee convention. What they have to offer to refugees is a lot more than countries that are not signatories, like Indonesia, Malaysia. It is not about resentment. The 'tiny fraction' is a huge lie. In 2012 there were 17,000, in 2013 - 13,000. Being undocumented, they were given the benefit of the doubt. Being undocumented, they cannot prove their bona fides by definition.

Just a heads up! You’re wasting your time with a manic depressive 60 yr old fat, stumpy unemployed/unemployable cyber junkie troll who takes drugs and doesn’t sleep and who hasn’t logged off in over 24 hrs.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am: mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am: The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am: Why does THIS point keep needing to be made? Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention) Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. I'm sorry, what are you arguing here? That we're right to lock them up indefinitely? They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island. Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination.

Only with bogans because it's so cheap.  I wouldn't go to Bali and surrounds if I was given a free ticket.

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 28^th, 2023 at 9:38am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:05am: Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:59am: mothra wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:50am: The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:47am: Why does THIS point keep needing to be made? Article 31 (of the UNHCR Convention) Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. I'm sorry, what are you arguing here? That we're right to lock them up indefinitely? They are not locked up on Manus Island or Chrismas Island. Meantime and more importantly - Indonesia is a popular holiday destination. Only with bogans because it's so cheap.  I wouldn't go to Bali and surrounds if I was given a free ticket.

Oh I agree! Yet Aussies GO THERE!