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Message started by Brian Ross on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm

Title: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Belgarion on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)


The flaw in the argument here is that the actions of the KKK and white/Christian  individual terrorists are almost universally condemned by western society, whereas Muslim society often excuses those of Islamic terrorists or 'condemns' in such a way that the inference is clearly that western society is to blame for provoking these actions.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:27pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)


The flaw in the argument here is that the actions of the KKK and white/Christian  individual terrorists are almost universally condemned by western society, whereas Muslim society often excuses those of Islamic terrorists or 'condemns' in such a way that the inference is clearly that western society is to blame for provoking these actions.


Not quite true. Problem is, you only read what the MSM prints and it only prints stuff that is critical of Muslims.  In reality they condemn Terrorism in no uncertain terms. ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:31pm
What about the

Best Way to Combat Islamic apologists?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Mar 18th, 2021 at 7:51am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:31pm:
What about the

Best Way to Combat Islamic apologists?


Easy, get them some mental help so that they can see the truth.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Mar 18th, 2021 at 9:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

Islam - what's to like about it???  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bias_2012 on Mar 19th, 2021 at 12:08am
"A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph,[6] published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers." - Wiki

100 thousand muslims supported the bombings. One in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers

This is the problem with muslim immigration, 6% of them will support violence, bombings, killing, maiming, and not give a stuff, and yet they live in the UK

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by cods on Mar 19th, 2021 at 9:27am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)




what about Anti British   which you have in spades..

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by aquascoot on Mar 19th, 2021 at 12:26pm

Frank wrote on Mar 18th, 2021 at 9:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

Islam - what's to like about it???  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)



i think its the testosterone.

the woke left are comprised of frustrated feminists and weak timid smug men.
so they arent getting any good sex.

they look at some very hairy beast of a man and their primitive brain is aroused.

its primal that people like Merkel who isnt getting any action would fantasise about having 3 million young virile horny hairy men roaming around .

its no different to hugh hefner wanting a lot of babes decorating his pool

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 19th, 2021 at 12:38pm

cods wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 9:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)




what about Anti British   which you have in spades..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR3xwENK7Jo

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 19th, 2021 at 2:01pm

cods wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 9:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)


what about Anti British   which you have in spades..


Moi?  Anti-British?  Really?  I must tell my wife. You know she was born in the UK?  In Yorkshire.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Cods.  You mistake me being anti-Tory for being anti-British.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Mar 19th, 2021 at 2:11pm
We can always teach them -
put the Muslims in a good Christian school.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Apr 10th, 2021 at 9:37pm
The best way is to avoid:

Untruthful Pity
How Islamism burrowed almost unopposed into Europe’s fabric.
Theodore Dalrymple, October 29, 2020

Terrorist attacks, like troubles, rarely come singly. They are subject to their own version of the Werther effect, so called after the hero of Goethe’s novel, who killed himself for unrequited love, the publication being followed by a rash of suicides by romantic young men.

The night before the latest Islamist outrage in France, in which a terrorist killed three people in the Basilica of Notre-Dame de Nice, I was reading a short book about Islamist terrorism in Europe, preparatory to writing an article about the beheading by a Chechen refugee of Samuel Paty, the teacher who had used the cartoons of Muhammad in his civics class to teach about freedom of expression, two weeks ago.

The book was by Hamid Zanaz. The author is of Algerian origin, a philosopher who has not only abandoned his ancestral religion but is now opposed to it in all its guises. His book relates a story which goes far to explain how Islamism has been able to burrow, almost unopposed, into the fabric of Europe. The story relates to Norway, but something similar could be told of many, if not all, Western European countries. I will quote in extenso:

Karsten Nordal Hauken, a politician raped by a Somalian [refugee in Norway], opposed the deportation of his aggressor: “I lost years due to depression and cannabis. . . . I have learned that the rapist’s culture of origin is completely different from ours. In his culture, sexual abuse is above all a matter of taking power and not the result of sexual desire: it is not considered a homosexual act. To understand how it could occur, one has to overcome one’s prejudices. . . .”

He continued:

“I don’t feel any anger towards my aggressor, because I seem him more as the product of an unjust world. The product of an upbringing marked by war and privations. . . . I want us to continue to help the refugees despite such a context. . . . I am first a human being and not a Norwegian. No, I am part of the world, and unfortunately the world is unjust.”

In other words, it was really his fault, as an inhabitant of an unjustly privileged country, that the Somalian raped him. He got what he deserved: just as, by the same logic, the woman in the Basilica of Notre-Dame de Nice deserved her decapitation.

Some version of this peculiar state of mind is widespread in Europe (and probably in America, too), especially among the intelligentsia. Needless to say, it is hardly a state of mind propitious to countering a vicious and dangerous ideology. To understand the mentality, two texts spring to mind: one by G.K. Chesterton and one by Max Frisch.

In Orthodoxy, Chesterton wrote that the modern world “is full of wild and wasted virtues.” He continued:

When a religious scheme is shattered . . . it is not merely the vices that are less loose. The vices are, indeed, let loose, and they wander and do damage. But the virtues are let loose also; and the virtues wander more wildly, and the virtues do more terrible damage. . . . some humanitarians care only for pity; and their pity (I am sorry to say) is often untruthful.

What pithier way to characterize Hauken’s egotistical state of mind than untruthful pity? And what terrible damage his untruthful pity, or something like it, has done.

The second text, that of Max Frisch’s great play The Fire Raisers, captures the sheer cowardice of Nordal Hauken’s state of mind, and that of the many like him. In the play, a businessman called Biedermann admits a poor itinerant arsonist into his house, partly from charity and partly from a pusillanimous inability to say no (it is difficult to disentangle the two). The arsonist gives ever-clearer indications that he intends to burn the house down, but Biedermann, again partly from blindness and social embarrassment but mostly from cowardice, refuses to recognize it and expel the arsonist. The latter burns the house down, killing Biedermann and his wife, who then go to hell.

Frisch’s play, published in 1953, is an allegory of the takeover of societies by Nazi and Communist totalitarianism, but it is of much wider application to that of any society or organization that faces destruction by those who insinuate themselves into it with the intention or desire to destroy it.
https://www.city-journal.org/islamist-terror-attack-nice-france

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Apr 13th, 2021 at 6:41pm
Have you tried obsessively posting spineless apologetics for terrorism and oppression on online forums Brian?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 13th, 2021 at 6:45pm

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 6:41pm:
Have you tried obsessively posting spineless apologetics for terrorism and oppression on online forums Brian?


You answer my questions and I might answer yours, Freediver. ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Apr 13th, 2021 at 6:50pm

Quote:
The best way to curb anti-Muslim rhetoric the next time you witness it? Simply point out the other person's hypocrisy. But do it with some tact.


doesn't work ... this forum is evidence of that.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:04pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 12:26pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 18th, 2021 at 9:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

Islam - what's to like about it???  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)



i think its the testosterone.

the woke left are comprised of frustrated feminists and weak timid smug men.
so they arent getting any good sex.

they look at some very hairy beast of a man and their primitive brain is aroused.

its primal that people like Merkel who isnt getting any action would fantasise about having 3 million young virile horny hairy men roaming around .

its no different to hugh hefner wanting a lot of babes decorating his pool

They are weedy or pudgy, in silly sandals and pajamas, from Afghanistan to Indonesia. And on the nose. The hairy beasts from the middle east are a comical version of the oily, macho Italians of the 60s.

Prince Philip, on the other hand -  tall, lean, blond, Danish, capable - is revered as a god in some parts of the South Pacific. Tsk, tsk   8-) 8-)




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:04pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 6:50pm:

Quote:
The best way to curb anti-Muslim rhetoric the next time you witness it? Simply point out the other person's hypocrisy. But do it with some tact.


doesn't work ... this forum is evidence of that.



Translation -
John says -
I'm not Islamophobic -
I kiss Muslim bums.   ;D

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:07pm
Here is Brian doing a demonstration:


Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Quote:
Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
[quote]7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-the-state-can-execute-you-for-being-atheist/


I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

[/quote]

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:07pm
idiot noun

id·​i·​ot | \ ˈi-dē-ət
\
plural idiots
Definition of idiot

1 : a foolish or stupid person or Bobby "… Idiot that I am to wear my heart on my sleeve! …"— George Bernard Shaw
2 dated, now offensive, see usage paragraph below : a person affected with extreme intellectual disability

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:09pm

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:07pm:
Here is Brian doing a demonstration:


Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Quote:
Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
[quote]7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-the-state-can-execute-you-for-being-atheist/


I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

[/quote]

which is worse FD? Brian's comment or you wishing women were raped with a cactus?

I doubt that even the most extreme muslims could up with anything as barbaric as you FD

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:35pm
You are a liar John.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:38pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:07pm:
idiot noun

id·​i·​ot | \ ˈi-dē-ət
\
plural idiots
Definition of idiot

1 : a foolish or stupid person or Bobby  SMITH"… Idiot that I am to wear my heart on my sleeve! …"— George Bernard Shaw
2 dated, now offensive, see usage paragraph below : a person affected with extreme intellectual disability


Hello John.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:50pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:09pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:07pm:
Here is Brian doing a demonstration:


Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Quote:
Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
[quote]7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-the-state-can-execute-you-for-being-atheist/


I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.


which is worse FD? Brian's comment or you wishing women were raped with a cactus?

I doubt that even the most extreme muslims could up with anything as barbaric as you FD[/quote]

Oh, I don't know

FGM,  destroying a woman's ability to enjoy sex Or possibly even killing the comes pretty dam close to me.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Apr 16th, 2021 at 7:45am
Significantly, our fight against al-Qa’ida and Islamist terrorism is not over. Despite the Australian government’s new woke language guide to Islamist extremism, al-Qa’ida’s military training manual is explicit in describing the lengths this movement is prepared to go. The manual states: “The confrontation we are calling for with these apostate regimes does not know Socratic debates, Platonic ideals nor Aristotelian diplomacy. But it knows the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing and des­truc­tion and the diplomacy of the cannon and machinegun.”

Its authors are unequivocal and sadly historically accurate, when they explain, “Islamic governments have never and will never be established through peaceful solutions and co-operative councils. They are established, as they always have been, by pen and gun, by word and bullet, by tongue and teeth.” This mindset will not be defeated or outmanoeuvred by earnest think tanks in Washington or Brussels. These extremists regard themselves as the vanguard of the Islamic revolution. It is a fight beyond time and geography.
...
It was a fanciful mistake attempting nation-building in Afghanistan. Destroying terrorist training camps and hunting al-Qa’ida, yes. Building a nation to achieve the same ends, no. Unless we were planning to stay forever.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/allies-botched-their-one-job-in-afghanistan-destroy-alqaida/news-story/99850de446882162d70311722fa6dba8


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Apr 16th, 2021 at 10:42am

Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2021 at 7:45am:


Quote:

"......It was a fanciful mistake attempting nation-building in Afghanistan.

Destroying terrorist training camps and hunting al-Qa’ida, yes.

Building a nation to achieve the same ends, no.

Unless we were planning to stay forever."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/allies-botched-their-one-job-in-afghanistan-destroy-alqaida/news-story/99850de446882162d70311722fa6dba8


Yes !

Exactly so.



Stupid, idiotic people [....those who planned the U.S. and Coalition     'incursion'     into Afghanistan in 2001. ].

It was wrong, it was just wrong !

Arrogant, and wrong,    ....of those U.S. and Coalition conflict planners, re Afghanistan.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 16th, 2021 at 11:06am


Islamophobia exists.  This thread is fill with examples of the condition.  I just wish Islamophobes would seek help.  Innocent people do not deserve to be persecuted.  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Apr 16th, 2021 at 3:34pm

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
You are a liar John.


You don't think raping women with a cactus is barbaric FD? What was the lie?


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Apr 16th, 2021 at 3:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:07pm:
idiot noun

id·​i·​ot | \ ˈi-dē-ət
\
plural idiots
Definition of idiot

1 : a foolish or stupid person or Bobby  SMITH"… Idiot that I am to wear my heart on my sleeve! …"— George Bernard Shaw
2 dated, now offensive, see usage paragraph below : a person affected with extreme intellectual disability


Hello John.


careful idiot ... editing my posts is a banable offense. Apologise or I'll have to report you!

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by issuevoter on Apr 17th, 2021 at 7:01am
This thread is Ross shadow boxing.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Apr 17th, 2021 at 8:56am

John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2021 at 3:34pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
You are a liar John.


You don't think raping women with a cactus is barbaric FD? What was the lie?


It's pretty clear what I am saying John. Let's try again.

You are a liar.

Of course, you already know this.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 17th, 2021 at 10:01am

Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.


Spoken like a true Islamophobe.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Apr 17th, 2021 at 11:25am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.


Spoken like a true Islamophobe.

https://youtu.be/cC-1ihrOs1E

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Karnal on Apr 21st, 2021 at 11:42pm

Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.


I agree, old boy. I think it's good to get rid of all the philes. Marxists, Maoists, Buddhists, Islamists, the lot. Into the bin with all the ists.

But do you know? You'll just find another, you silly thing. Get rid of Islamists, and you'll be onto the Buddhists, then the Taoists, the Marxists, the Maoists, anyone who's left.

There's no feeding you, dear boy, you're insatiable. As long as there's another person, animal or mineral left, you'll hate. You'll always find something to be phobic to, you poor old thing, it's just you.

But do you know? We love you for it, we wouldn't have it any other way. If not you, who?

You?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Apr 21st, 2021 at 11:54pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 21st, 2021 at 11:42pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.


I agree, old boy. I think it's good to get rid of all the philes. Marxists, Maoists, Buddhists, Islamists, the lot. Into the bin with all the ists.

But do you know? You'll just find another, you silly thing. Get rid of Islamists, and you'll be onto the Buddhists, then the Taoists, the Marxists, the Maoists, anyone who's left.

There's no feeding you, dear boy, you're insatiable. As long as there's another person, animal or mineral left, you'll hate. You'll always find something to be phobic to, you poor old thing, it's just you.

But do you know? We love you for it, we wouldn't have it any other way. If not you, who?

You?

Thank you moron. Now, by your idiocy, islamophobia is not anything to do with islam even.

You are that stupid. Bbwian will yawn at you, watch out.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by moses on Apr 22nd, 2021 at 4:21pm
The story so far:

There is minimal right wing terrorism, when the truth is told and a comparison is made with the daily islamic, ritualistic raping torturing and mass murdering around the globe. (all done to appease a reinvented pagan moon god allah)

Sharia law is widespread in the global islamic countries / nations.

islam rules by force and threat of death, it cannot stand up to any criticizm.

islam is a pagan moon god death cult.

islam preaches that all religion and rule of law must be for allah.

Freedom of conscience is forbidden by islam.

Because islam is anti western democracy, western leftards are enthralled by it, they are desperate to force islam with all it's associated evil onto the rest of us.

Leftards use fake news, straight out lies and misrepresentative facts to try and denigrate the *whitey* and western democracy, all the while trying to force islam onto the rest of us, with their lies etc. etc..

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Apr 22nd, 2021 at 4:30pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 8:56am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2021 at 3:34pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
You are a liar John.


You don't think raping women with a cactus is barbaric FD? What was the lie?


It's pretty clear what I am saying John. Let's try again.

You are a liar.

Of course, you already know this.


The only thing clear is the level of stupidity you insist on displaying almost daily. What exactly are you pretending I'm lying about now?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Karnal on Apr 22nd, 2021 at 4:55pm

Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2021 at 11:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 21st, 2021 at 11:42pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.


I agree, old boy. I think it's good to get rid of all the philes. Marxists, Maoists, Buddhists, Islamists, the lot. Into the bin with all the ists.

But do you know? You'll just find another, you silly thing. Get rid of Islamists, and you'll be onto the Buddhists, then the Taoists, the Marxists, the Maoists, anyone who's left.

There's no feeding you, dear boy, you're insatiable. As long as there's another person, animal or mineral left, you'll hate. You'll always find something to be phobic to, you poor old thing, it's just you.

But do you know? We love you for it, we wouldn't have it any other way. If not you, who?

You?

Thank you moron. Now, by your idiocy, islamophobia is not anything to do with islam even.

You are that stupid. Bbwian will yawn at you, watch out.


Better yawn at him, Brian, he's clearly triggered. ::) ::) ::)

It's taken a while, but I think you're making some progress. 

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 22nd, 2021 at 8:04pm


Islamophobia exists.  This thread is fill with examples of the condition.  I just wish Islamophobes would seek help.  Innocent people do not deserve to be persecuted.  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Agatha on Jul 26th, 2021 at 2:33pm
Only  Muslims can be Islamophobic due to the contradictions between Islamic doctrines and everyday life and decency.
Non-Muslims believing that Islam wants to subjugate them are not Islamophobes, they simply take Islamic doctrines and their intentions seriously.

https://youtu.be/2pGz2hUNaF4

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 26th, 2021 at 3:23pm


Oh, look, its Soren flashing his knickers again.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jul 26th, 2021 at 3:25pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2021 at 4:30pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 8:56am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2021 at 3:34pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
You are a liar John.


You don't think raping women with a cactus is barbaric FD? What was the lie?


It's pretty clear what I am saying John. Let's try again.

You are a liar.

Of course, you already know this.


The only thing clear is the level of stupidity you insist on displaying almost daily. What exactly are you pretending I'm lying about now?


No, its very clear that you are a liar, and quite possibly a sock.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jul 26th, 2021 at 3:25pm
Showed several of bwyannnnnnnnnnnn's posts to a psychologist friend of mine.

He asked how old you were.

I explained that you claimed several diplomas and other qualification as well as world travel and army service.

He cracked up, nearly fell over laughing.

PS, He is a qualified Psychologist and works with disabled people.
He recons you need help.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 26th, 2021 at 3:31pm
Is dawkins talking about Brian , john smith, Mothra and little pecca?




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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jul 26th, 2021 at 3:38pm
The sad truth of islam.

From the day they are born, children are indoctrinated into believing that Allah is the one true god and that everyone else are pagans and must be murdered because they dont believe.

Daily rituals of bowing and mind numbing mantras to their god reinforce that belief continually.

Anyone, ANYONE who dares to question ANYTHING about this cult are either tortured or killed, along with their families.
Leaving the cult is forbidden and brings death to them and their family members.

There is no open discussion, only pure enforced pilgrimage to this god who promotes murder, rape and torture of infidels (non-believers)

Now, all this is done for what?
All the hardships, murder, torture and poverty in this life is for one reason.
They sacrifice their wealth, pleasure, joy and life for a mythical afterlife.
To be given a wondrous afterlife with 40 virgins (what about the women, do they get virgins for their sacrifices?)

How many have actually seen this afterlife?
How many have come back to extol the virtues of this life after death?

So, they are murdering, torturing and punishing people for what?
A dream some sociopath, lying, murderer, self confessed pedophile told them so?

Think about this.
This cowardly prophet RAN AWAY AND HID UNDER HIS BED when his enemies were after him.
He then later, probably in an attempt to hide his cowardly sins, went and destroyed those who kept him safe...Nice guy
Then he tell about the flying donkeys, watching the sun set into a muddy hole and numerous other lies.
The best yet is that he outsmarted the devil..........You have to be kidding.

He rapes some pre-pubescent girls and boasts about it.
Comes up with his only solution to everything (beheading) and sets about forming a cult of death and destruction.

And this is who the followers of islam believe that murder, rape and destruction will take them into an afterlife of joy and heaven?

Seriously???????

You would have to be a total nutcase to believe this liar and follow his doctrines.

ISLAM, THE CULT OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 26th, 2021 at 11:11pm
The Troll displays his Islamophobia for all to see.  Tsk, tsk.  He should stick to bridges.   ::) ::)


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bias_2012 on Jul 27th, 2021 at 12:15am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2021 at 11:11pm:
The Troll displays his Islamophobia for all to see.  Tsk, tsk.  He should stick to bridges.   ::) ::)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/7647/qK1OdI.jpg


Still more undemocratic rigidity I see   tsk tsk    >:(




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jul 27th, 2021 at 9:17am
The sad truth of islam.

From the day they are born, children are indoctrinated into believing that Allah is the one true god and that everyone else are pagans and must be murdered because they dont believe.

Daily rituals of bowing and mind numbing mantras to their god reinforce that belief continually.

Anyone, ANYONE who dares to question ANYTHING about this cult are either tortured or killed, along with their families.
Leaving the cult is forbidden and brings death to them and their family members.

There is no open discussion, only pure enforced pilgrimage to this god who promotes murder, rape and torture of infidels (non-believers)

Now, all this is done for what?
All the hardships, murder, torture and poverty in this life is for one reason.
They sacrifice their wealth, pleasure, joy and life for a mythical afterlife.
To be given a wondrous afterlife with 40 virgins (what about the women, do they get virgins for their sacrifices?)

How many have actually seen this afterlife?
How many have come back to extol the virtues of this life after death?

So, they are murdering, torturing and punishing people for what?
A dream some sociopath, lying, murderer, self confessed pedophile told them so?

Think about this.
This cowardly prophet RAN AWAY AND HID UNDER HIS BED when his enemies were after him.
He then later, probably in an attempt to hide his cowardly sins, went and destroyed those who kept him safe...Nice guy
Then he tell about the flying donkeys, watching the sun set into a muddy hole and numerous other lies.
The best yet is that he outsmarted the devil..........You have to be kidding.

He rapes some pre-pubescent girls and boasts about it.
Comes up with his only solution to everything (beheading) and sets about forming a cult of death and destruction.

And this is who the followers of islam believe that murder, rape and destruction will take them into an afterlife of joy and heaven?

Seriously???????

You would have to be a total nutcase to believe this liar and follow his doctrines.

ISLAM, THE CULT OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Agatha on Aug 9th, 2021 at 11:35am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)



Kurt Westergaard's cartoon was the memorable one, and the one you recall as the years roll by. It was a pithy visual jest: Mohammed's turban as a bomb with a lit fuse.

"I attempted to show that terrorists get their spiritual ammunition from parts of Islam, and with this spiritual ammunition, and with dynamite and other explosives, they kill people  I showed this in a cartoon and what happened? They want to kill me, so I think I was right."


To the end of his life, al-Qa'eda and its affiliates had a combined eight-figure bounty on Kurt Westergaard's head.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2021 at 3:00pm


Oh, look, it's that Transvestite again, flapping his skirts...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Aug 10th, 2021 at 7:45pm
The sad truth of islam.

From the day they are born, children are indoctrinated into believing that Allah is the one true god and that everyone else are pagans and must be murdered because they dont believe.

Daily rituals of bowing and mind numbing mantras to their god reinforce that belief continually.

Anyone, ANYONE who dares to question ANYTHING about this cult are either tortured or killed, along with their families.
Leaving the cult is forbidden and brings death to them and their family members.

There is no open discussion, only pure enforced pilgrimage to this god who promotes murder, rape and torture of infidels (non-believers)

Now, all this is done for what?
All the hardships, murder, torture and poverty in this life is for one reason.
They sacrifice their wealth, pleasure, joy and life for a mythical afterlife.
To be given a wondrous afterlife with 40 virgins (what about the women, do they get virgins for their sacrifices?)

How many have actually seen this afterlife?
How many have come back to extol the virtues of this life after death?

So, they are murdering, torturing and punishing people for what?
A dream some sociopath, lying, murderer, self confessed pedophile told them so?

Think about this.
This cowardly prophet RAN AWAY AND HID UNDER HIS BED when his enemies were after him.
He then later, probably in an attempt to hide his cowardly sins, went and destroyed those who kept him safe...Nice guy
Then he tell about the flying donkeys, watching the sun set into a muddy hole and numerous other lies.
The best yet is that he outsmarted the devil..........You have to be kidding.

He rapes some pre-pubescent girls and boasts about it.
Comes up with his only solution to everything (beheading) and sets about forming a cult of death and destruction.

And this is who the followers of islam believe that murder, rape and destruction will take them into an afterlife of joy and heaven?

Seriously???????

You would have to be a total nutcase to believe this liar and follow his doctrines.

ISLAM, THE CULT OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bertie on Aug 23rd, 2021 at 4:08pm



The religious identity of perpetrator and victim can both be discerned from the footage. Can’t they?

https://twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1429485011242205191

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Setanta on Aug 23rd, 2021 at 7:45pm

Bertie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2021 at 4:08pm:
The religious identity of perpetrator and victim can both be discerned from the footage. Can’t they?

https://twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1429485011242205191


My wife argues kinda like this sometimes

Me: Did you see the Muslim punch out the Jew?
Her: How do you know what they were?
Me: Well they were both dressed appropriate to the cultures.
Her: That doesn't mean they were, they could have been cross dressing.
Me: How likely is it that we have two people cross dressing as the other and them coming into contact and an assault taking place?
Her: That doesn't mean it's not possible.
Me: Can we use Occam's razor? What is most likely to have happened? Simplest explanation?
Her: Well, you need more information.

and it leaves me with belts slipping in my head how one can do this... I give up in defeat and mosey on.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Sep 16th, 2021 at 10:47am
On 9/11, there were only about 1,200 mosques across the U.S. That would nearly double by 2010, and rise to nearly 3,000 by last year.



Centres of open and free discussion are built at an even greater rate across the Muslim world, right?? 


No??!!??  Shurely shome mishtake.....

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by issuevoter on Sep 16th, 2021 at 7:15pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9th, 2021 at 3:23pm:
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Hitch had a way with words. Too bad he's gone.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 18th, 2021 at 7:58pm
What is the point of being Muslim if Muslims are just like everyone else?

The answer is the lie at the heart of The lie that is multiculturalism.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Dec 18th, 2021 at 9:25pm

The Best Way to Make the Moslem Accountable for His Behaviour


Tell the whole world, who the moslem is.

Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by moses on Dec 19th, 2021 at 5:50pm
islam = evil = satanism.

muslims = ghouls of evil.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Dec 19th, 2021 at 6:01pm

moses wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 5:50pm:
islam = evil = satanism.

muslims = ghouls of evil.


In most cases it's simply that the easily led or retarded follow the CULT.

They recruit from gaols so that they can have the worst possible kind of thug

Islam is a political sum CULT that plans to take over the world through whatever means it can.

And if you are wondering what the world will be like under Islamic rule.

Just look at Afghanistan,  that is Islam in the raw.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Laugh till you cry on Dec 19th, 2021 at 6:05pm

Valkie wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 6:01pm:

moses wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 5:50pm:
islam = evil = satanism.

muslims = ghouls of evil.


In most cases it's simply that the easily led or retarded follow the CULT.

They recruit from gaols so that they can have the worst possible kind of thug

Islam is a political sum CULT that plans to take over the world through whatever means it can.

And if you are wondering what the world will be like under Islamic rule.

Just look at Afghanistan,  that is Islam in the raw.


Where do you hide the bodies Valkie?

Under your guano hat?

The Bulgarians have a tip on Valkies whereabouts and hope for an arrest soon, followed by a frogmarching back to the orphanage Valkie escaped from at age 70.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Dec 19th, 2021 at 6:11pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 6:05pm:

Valkie wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 6:01pm:

moses wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 5:50pm:
islam = evil = satanism.

muslims = ghouls of evil.


In most cases it's simply that the easily led or retarded follow the CULT.

They recruit from gaols so that they can have the worst possible kind of thug

Islam is a political sum CULT that plans to take over the world through whatever means it can.

And if you are wondering what the world will be like under Islamic rule.

Just look at Afghanistan,  that is Islam in the raw.


Where do you hide the bodies Valkie?

Under your guano hat?

The Bulgarians have a tip on Valkies whereabouts and hope for an arrest soon, followed by a frogmarching back to the orphanage Valkie escaped from at age 70.



Come now groggy
Grow a pair and post your insults under your real persona.

You keep mentioning hats
Are you a milliner  per chance?

Would explain a lot.


by the way groggy

How about you answer the following important questions?

1) You promised to leave the forum at least twice now, several years have passed since you lost your bet.

WHEN ARE YOU LEAVING?

I have included some answers for you to tick as appropriate Groggy.
a) Now...goodby.
b) as soon as I can get my socks working the way I want.
c) never, I'm a lying, welsher and have no intention of leaving
d) Don't know, I'm still drunk and have no idea what I'm doing


2) Why do you refuse to admit that the cult of death is a disgusting pedophile ring?

I have included some answers for you to tick as appropriate Groggy.
a) Because i'm a coward and scared of them.
b) Because I think they are a wonderful cult and think terrorism and pedophilia are OK
c) Because I'm a coward and a lying welsher, so can understand the cult of death
d) Dot know, I'm still drunk and have no idea what I'm doing.

3) Is drink driving the most despicable,  stupid and Dangerious thing any driver can do?
a) i dont care
b) I'm previlidge so, I don't care
c) I'm a dole/  welfare bludgers so I don't care
d) don't know, I'm still drunk and don't know what I'm doing.

Just post and highlight your answer.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 19th, 2021 at 8:11pm
Troll...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 19th, 2021 at 8:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 8:11pm:
Troll...   ::) ::)



Watch out, Bbwian is getting all incisive and intellectual and articulate (at his own level).



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Dec 20th, 2021 at 6:27pm

Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 8:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 8:11pm:
Troll...   ::) ::)



Watch out, Bbwian is getting all incisive and intellectual and articulate (at his own level).


When bwyannnmnnn has no answer or knows he is beaten

He goes for the same old methodology.

It used to be a stupid emojis and some infantile statement.

Now it's just one word and a smile.

He isn't what he used to be.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:18pm
Troll...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:18pm:
Troll...  ::) ::)


Drool on shirting, Bbwian......



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:40pm

Frank wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:18pm:
Troll...  ::) ::)


Drool on shirting, Bbwian......


You wouldn't know, Soren.  Trolling again...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:40pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:18pm:
Troll...  ::) ::)


Drool on shirting, Bbwian......


You wouldn't know, Soren.  Trolling again...   ::) ::)



Eating, still at the head
of the table, he now missed
food on his knife side.



https://medium.com/poem-of-the-day/les-murray-the-last-hellos-aca0e1bc16



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Jan 1st, 2022 at 5:23pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwooM4yhiiY

Somebody got sacked for posting this on FB in England a couple of days ago.






Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jan 1st, 2022 at 5:51pm

Frank wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:40pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:18pm:
Troll...  ::) ::)


Drool on shirting, Bbwian......


You wouldn't know, Soren.  Trolling again...   ::) ::)



Eating, still at the head
of the table, he now missed
food on his knife side.



https://medium.com/poem-of-the-day/les-murray-the-last-hellos-aca0e1bc16


Bwyannnmnnn has written many letters of complaint to spoon manufacturers.

He gets really upset when he keeps getting the convex, rather than the concave spoons.

Poor diddums

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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Jan 1st, 2022 at 6:02pm

Frank wrote on Jan 1st, 2022 at 5:23pm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwooM4yhiiY

Somebody got sacked for posting this on FB in England a couple of days ago.



So funny - thanks.    ;D

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ye Grappler on Jan 13th, 2022 at 10:52pm
Is no Islam - is no problem.....

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 13th, 2022 at 10:54pm
Islamophobia eh?


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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 13th, 2022 at 10:57pm
The Saudis don't like atheists they have the death penalty for apostasy they chop their heads off.

One of the 5 pillars of Islam is Hajj which means a muslim must visit Saudi Arabia if they can.


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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ye Grappler on Jan 13th, 2022 at 10:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 1st, 2022 at 6:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 1st, 2022 at 5:23pm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwooM4yhiiY

Somebody got sacked for posting this on FB in England a couple of days ago.



So funny - thanks.    ;D


He's still got it.... wa' 'r ye gonna farken doo?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jan 14th, 2022 at 7:00am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 13th, 2022 at 10:57pm:
The Saudis don't like atheists they have the death penalty for apostasy they chop their heads off.

One of the 5 pillars of Islam is Hajj which means a muslim must visit Saudi Arabia if they can.


And this is the face of islam.

They will believe any tripe that their religious cult leaders tell them.....OR ELSE.

This is how Mo the mad worked with his stupidity and lies.
Donkeys flying
watching the sun sink into a mud hole
arguing with the devil
etc etc.

This nutcase cult of death is a cesspit of morons and idiots.
No wonder they dont want education for their people.
If anyone had even the most minute amount of intelligence, they would see through the crap and realize
That islam is nothing more than a pseudo religious/ political cult with aims at world domination.

A domination that would put the world back hundreds of years and destroy peace and advancement.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 19th, 2022 at 7:17pm


::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jan 20th, 2022 at 7:49am
;)
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:04am


::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jan 20th, 2022 at 12:55pm
  ::)
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 20th, 2022 at 1:53pm
I can't understand fool, Matty, you'll have to try English for a change...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jan 20th, 2022 at 2:46pm

Poor old bwyannnnnnnnnn has reverted back to childhood.

Didnt have to go far.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 20th, 2022 at 4:50pm

I can't understand fool, Matty, you'll have to try English for a change...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jan 20th, 2022 at 5:19pm
Poor old bwyannnnnnnnnn

He has reverted back to kindergarden

Not much difference from his usual, could even be more sensible.

As a 5 year old

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 20th, 2022 at 5:46pm
You aren't getting the message, Matty.  I can't understand fool, Matty, you'll have to try English for a change...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jan 20th, 2022 at 6:02pm
Poor old bwyannnnnnnnnn

He has reverted back to kindergarden

Not much difference from his usual, could even be more sensible.

As a 5 year old

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 20th, 2022 at 6:11pm
You aren't getting the message, Matty.  I can't understand idiot, Matty, you'll have to try English for a change...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jan 20th, 2022 at 6:17pm
Poor old bwyannnnnnnnnn

He has reverted back to kindergarden

Not much difference from his usual, could even be more sensible.

As a 5 year old

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 20th, 2022 at 6:23pm
Islamophobe Fascist!  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jan 20th, 2022 at 6:36pm
Islamophile traitor tut, tut

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 20th, 2022 at 8:31pm
You still aren't getting the message, Matty.  I can't understand idiot, Matty, you'll have to try English for a change...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Jan 21st, 2022 at 7:14am
Why do you support terrorists bwyannnnnnnnn?

What is your motivation?????

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 31st, 2022 at 9:30pm
Islamic countries with Sharia law execute people for blasphemy.

In secular countries that don't have blasphemy laws Islamists rely on useful idiots like Brian,Greg,Mong,Arsie and Smithy to hurl the Islamophobia slur at critics of Islam to silence all criticism of Islam.

If you object to the Islamic death penalty for blasphemy some morally bankrupt leftist will call you an Islamophobe.

These morally bankrupt leftists think it's not acceptable to criticise Islam.


Quote:
Woman sentenced to death in Pakistan over ‘blasphemous’ WhatsApp activity

A court in Pakistan has sentenced a woman to death over allegedly blasphemous messages sent over WhatsApp and Facebook.

Aneeqa Ateeq, 26, was found guilty and given a death sentence by a court in Rawalpindi on Wednesday after a complaint was registered against her under Pakistan’s draconian cybercrime and blasphemy laws.

The court found her guilty, gave her to a 20-year sentence and ordered her to be hanged.

Ateeq’s lawyer Syeda Rashida Zainab said: “I can’t comment on the judgment as the issue is very sensitive.”

However, blasphemy trials in Pakistan are highly dangerous, with the accused often killed by vigilantes before courts reach a verdict on their cases, while judges, fearful of the implications, rarely acquit the accused and are often pressured into reaching guilty verdicts.

Pakistan has recently asked Facebook and Twitter to help identify its citizens suspected of blasphemy so it can prosecute them or pursue their extradition.


https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/19/pakistan-woman-aneeqa-ateeq-sentenced-to-death-blasphemous-whatsapp-messages



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Jan 31st, 2022 at 9:32pm
So does she serve the 20 years before or after they hang her?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Feb 1st, 2022 at 7:53am
Islam, the cult of tolerance and good will........................NOT

Death cult, thy name is Islam

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Feb 7th, 2022 at 1:47pm
Bastié views the new far Left’s alliance with political Islam as one of the most spectacular intellectual shifts. In the last decade or so, controversies about the place of Islam in French society and the challenge of radical (i.e., “political”) Islam have moved to the center of the public debate, along with the related issues of laïcité, immigration, and French identity.

The origin of the debate and, thus, of the fracture of the Left was the famous “veil issue” (l’affaire du voile) of 1989, when three teenage girls refused to take off their hijabs at a school in northern France. The Right rallied the liberal Left to the defense of the French tradition of laïcité, which, since the early 20th century, has sought to keep religion separate from politics and public education. But the far and cultural Lefts supported the rights of the schoolgirls to express their religious identity. Since then, political Islam has been the main actor and beneficiary of identity politics in France—and is likely to survive it. It sees universalism and laïcité as mere screens that discriminate against Muslims and foster Islamophobia.

Of course, the main reason why the traditionally anti-religious far Left embraced political Islam involves its rejection of liberal democracy, not a religious epiphany. Bastié says that the three main intellectual pillars of this alliance are Third Worldism, a legacy of Marxism; the idea that immigrants have become the new proletariat; and the misleading claim that Muslims in the West are what the Jews were in the 1930s, Islamophobia having replaced antisemitism. The most famous and extreme propagandist of political Islam is the Swiss Islamic philosopher Tariq Ramadan. Its fiercest opponents are female intellectuals born in Africa to Muslim families.

Bastié also describes the rise of neo-feminism and radical anti-racism as powerful trends in France’s public debate. It is true that feminist, black, and gay movements in France have lacked the intensity and clout they have in the United States and northern Europe. However, the demographic growth of ethnic and racial minorities in France, as well as transatlantic militancy, have given new impetus to these causes and the theories that inform them. Bastié says the old French traditions of gallantry and libertinage are being reinterpreted as screens for the subjugation of women. For universalist feminists, the Muslim veil is a symbol of oppression; but for neo-feminists, it signals the emancipation of Muslim women. Neo-feminists have refused to condemn rapists who are immigrants: In the infamous mass sexual assaults in Cologne on New Year’s Eve, 2016, the neo-feminists argued that the rapists were merely acting according to their cultural norms.
https://www.americanpurpose.com/articles/emotions-run-high-in-the-land-of-descartes/

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by trancenut on May 1st, 2022 at 11:47am
Explain this then

"However, when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.

In a series of questions on the terror threat in Britain, 4% said they sympathised with people who took part in suicide bombings (1% said they completely sympathised and 3% said they sympathised to some extent), and 4% said they sympathised with people who committed terrorist actions as a form of political protest generally.

Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”, compared with 5% of the country as a whole. Two-thirds (66%) said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers, and a further 13% condemned them to some extent. Nearly a third (31%) thought it was acceptable for a British Muslim man to have more than one wife, compared with 8% of the wider population."

I cannot post links because I am still new on the forum but this is from the guardian, the leff's fav news media.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on May 1st, 2022 at 11:55am

trancenut wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 11:47am:
Explain this then

"However, when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.

In a series of questions on the terror threat in Britain, 4% said they sympathised with people who took part in suicide bombings (1% said they completely sympathised and 3% said they sympathised to some extent), and 4% said they sympathised with people who committed terrorist actions as a form of political protest generally.

Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”, compared with 5% of the country as a whole. Two-thirds (66%) said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers, and a further 13% condemned them to some extent. Nearly a third (31%) thought it was acceptable for a British Muslim man to have more than one wife, compared with 8% of the wider population."

I cannot post links because I am still new on the forum but this is from the guardian, the leff's fav news media.


What needs explaining here?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on May 1st, 2022 at 11:59am

Quote:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia


dump the islamphobes in Afghanistan with no money or passports  ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on May 1st, 2022 at 12:06pm

John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 11:59am:

Quote:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia


dump the islamphobes in Afghanistan with no money or passports  ;D ;D

Let Islam deal with infidels in it customary, brutal ways, yeah, Six Planks?




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by trancenut on May 1st, 2022 at 12:45pm

Frank wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 11:55am:
What needs explaining here?

I asked Brian who still thinks islamophobia is just a phobia. Its not. Its a religious and a political cult. I would argue that any society that takes religion seriously is compromised in some way or the other and it goes for hinduism, sikhism, islam or catholics.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by trancenut on May 1st, 2022 at 12:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:27pm:
Not quite true. Problem is, you only read what the MSM prints and it only prints stuff that is critical of Muslims. 

That still does not explain why more than 99% of terrorists are from a certain religion or religious ideology? I am not saying all of them are terrorists but i can I say if we dont have muslims in Australia there would be no terrorists as well?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on May 1st, 2022 at 5:33pm

Frank wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 12:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 11:59am:

Quote:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia


dump the islamphobes in Afghanistan with no money or passports  ;D ;D

Let Islam deal with infidels in it customary, brutal ways, yeah, Six Planks?


I'd bet you'd be the first to convert  ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Jake Winker Frogen on May 1st, 2022 at 6:33pm
The best way would be for everyone who believes in this "motherload of bad ideas" to stop believing in it.

That would be the best way.

Not going to happen, because Islam offers the intellectually stunted and stupid a sense of moral certainty and purpose.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ye Grappler on May 4th, 2022 at 9:09pm

John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 11:59am:

Quote:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia


dump the islamphobes in Afghanistan with no money or passports  ;D ;D



No - dump the Islamists in Afghanistan with no money or passports....

Is no Islamist - is no problem ... better still.... ship 'em all to Greenacre where they can push up daisies with the best of them ... you'd think they would have learned to not  just walk out in a driveway there with a million dollar price tag on their head by now... but noooo - too hard a think ...

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on May 8th, 2022 at 8:41pm
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia?

Cover up the truth:


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Jul 28th, 2022 at 1:05pm
Bring back blasphemy laws
Free speech is all very well, but that’s no excuse for being RUDE


WOKE WORLD
July 2022  By  Titania McGrath



I wholeheartedly support the principle of free speech, but I do think that those who say things that offend minority groups ought to be arrested and possibly executed.

Take the recent film The Lady of Heaven. I haven’t watched the film, but apparently it is extremely offensive to the Islamic faith. There are only two billion Muslims in the world which, according to mathematicians, is only 25 per cent of the world’s population. This makes them an oppressed minority and deserving of our protection.

This is clearly an Islamophobic dog whistle

Thankfully, mass protests outside cinemas have led to screenings of The Lady of Heaven being cancelled. Islamophobes have been quick to point out that all the protesters were men and that we shouldn’t be supporting such a reactionary and patriarchal religion. But the Koran is actually a feminist book. The part about beating women is clearly ironic.

Besides, if there really was a problem with gender inequality in Islam, how do you explain the fact that there has never been a single successful conviction in a Sharia court for misogynistic hate crime?

As a Muslim ally, I consider any attack on Islam to be a form of racism. Imagine how ignorant you’d have to be to mock their beloved prophet or that four-armed elephant thing they all seem to like so much.

It’s not just blasphemous movies. Our media is also institutionally Islamophobic. We constantly hear reports of Islamic suicide bombers in the press, and yet for some reason Catholic suicide bombers are never mentioned.

And why is it that in media coverage of ISIS, reporters can never bring themselves to say anything nice about them? It’s obvious that they have a major problem with people of colour being in positions of power.

And one of our most popular children’s television shows is about Peppa Pig, a character entirely made out of pork. This is clearly an Islamophobic dog whistle.

The sad truth is that Islamophobia in the UK is out of control. Even our police force routinely target Muslims for no reason whatsoever. If you don’t believe me, try shouting “Allahu Akbar” at an airport and see what happens.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Jul 28th, 2022 at 5:59pm

Quote:
I wholeheartedly support the principle of free speech, but I do think that those who say things that offend minority groups ought to be arrested and possibly executed.


Sounds like Gandalf and Abu's double speak.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 5th, 2022 at 2:25pm

freediver wrote on Jul 28th, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Quote:
I wholeheartedly support the principle of free speech, but I do think that those who say things that offend minority groups ought to be arrested and possibly executed.


Sounds like Gandalf and Abu's double speak.


Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned. You did of course trip over yourself when you then turned around and claimed the Quran to be that exact type of hate speech - but somehow should not be banned. So, who knows what actual position you have on this.

The point though is that my position on free speech, as well as yours (at least when you decide to be sane) - is actually not too dissimilar - nor is it too dissimilar to the positions held by the great majority of the wider public.

What you and me and most of the wider public most certainly do *NOT* share - is Abu's opinions on free speech.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 5th, 2022 at 4:03pm

Frank wrote on Mar 18th, 2021 at 9:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

Islam - what's to like about it???  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)


Islam is a religion started by a pedophile who saw fit to marry/have sex with a 6 yr old girl. Was he ever convicted?  No. Why? Not all pedophiles get convicted unfortunately. But this one was glorified and reverenced by a bunch of people who to this day allow the issue of his pedophilia to be excused or glorified.

Whilst here....the same may be said of Mormons. Joseph Smith was another one who took a few tips from Islam's founder.

If anyone here decides to contact Freediver about this post.. good. I'm ok with it. I have no fear or qualms about standing up for the truth. If the truth is offensive then I intend to be very offensive.

That's all. For now.

Edit : Don't worry ... I've reported myself to Freediver. Idiots!

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by issuevoter on Aug 5th, 2022 at 8:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28th, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Quote:
I wholeheartedly support the principle of free speech, but I do think that those who say things that offend minority groups ought to be arrested and possibly executed.


Sounds like Gandalf and Abu's double speak.


Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned. You did of course trip over yourself when you then turned around and claimed the Quran to be that exact type of hate speech - but somehow should not be banned. So, who knows what actual position you have on this.

The point though is that my position on free speech, as well as yours (at least when you decide to be sane) - is actually not too dissimilar - nor is it too dissimilar to the positions held by the great majority of the wider public.

What you and me and most of the wider public most certainly do *NOT* share - is Abu's opinions on free speech.


He's back folks! The turncoat who will not answer the simple question, "Which is the higher authority, the Koran, or the Australian Constitution?" Come on, own up.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 6th, 2022 at 7:59am

Quote:
Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned.


Can you quote me?


Quote:
The point though is that my position on free speech, as well as yours (at least when you decide to be sane) - is actually not too dissimilar - nor is it too dissimilar to the positions held by the great majority of the wider public.


How does it differ?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by random on Aug 6th, 2022 at 6:37pm

Bobby. wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 8:41pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia?

Cover up the truth:



That is it.

I thought this place would be fun, but it's a hate cabal.

Go bugger yourselves whoever allows content like this, while banning people for swearing.

Go bugger yourself

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 6th, 2022 at 9:22pm
What are you suggesting random? That a political discussion forum should ban the use of satirical cartoons mocking politicians?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Aug 6th, 2022 at 11:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 2:25pm:
Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned. You did of course trip over yourself when you then turned around and claimed the Quran to be that exact type of hate speech - but somehow should not be banned. So, who knows what actual position you have on this.


What you and me and most of the wider public most certainly do *NOT* share - is Abu's opinions on free speech.


Can you cite where FD said that?

FD doesn't appear to be into book burning sometimes it's better to expose what is actually written in those books.

Have you heard from Abu Rashid?

I thought he might have joined the Islamic state.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 8th, 2022 at 3:54pm

freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 7:59am:

Quote:
Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned.


Can you quote me?


found this gem from before I joined:


freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 2:09pm:
Freedom of speech is generally understood to exclude harming others - eg slander, inciting violence. This is where freedom of speech comes into conflict with other basic freedoms and rights. It never excludes the right to criticise other people's beliefs.



Of course you're not saying *YOU* subscribe to this "generally understood" dictum, but lets assume you do (and feel free to correct this).

What do you mean by "inciting violence"?

In this epic thread, you disagreed that making a public call to "behead those who insult the prophet" exceeded the limits of free speech - even in the context of a violent protest. My view was, and continues to be, this was a clear cut case of "inciting violence" - and as such, should be banned.

So again, what do you actually mean by "inciting violence"? In the same thread I got you to admit that "A direct and serious threat to kill someone should be illegal." Personally I consider extremists rampaging through the streets demanding that cartoonists who insult the prophet should be killed as a very "direct and serious threat to kill someone". Especially when we consider that this was literally what was happening in Europe at the time, and that would-be murderers who would happily kill in the name of Islam would know exactly who the protesters were referring to - if not their addresses and phone numbers.

But thats just me.

My point is, I think I have proven that both you and I agree on where freedom of speech ends - namely when it becomes incitement to violence. Its just that we disagree on exactly what constitutes incitement to violence.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Aug 8th, 2022 at 5:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 3:54pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 7:59am:

Quote:
Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned.


Can you quote me?


found this gem from before I joined:


freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 2:09pm:
Freedom of speech is generally understood to exclude harming others - eg slander, inciting violence. This is where freedom of speech comes into conflict with other basic freedoms and rights. It never excludes the right to criticise other people's beliefs.



Of course you're not saying *YOU* subscribe to this "generally understood" dictum, but lets assume you do (and feel free to correct this).

What do you mean by "inciting violence"?

In this epic thread, you disagreed that making a public call to "behead those who insult the prophet" exceeded the limits of free speech - even in the context of a violent protest. My view was, and continues to be, this was a clear cut case of "inciting violence" - and as such, should be banned.

So again, what do you actually mean by "inciting violence"? In the same thread I got you to admit that "A direct and serious threat to kill someone should be illegal." Personally I consider extremists rampaging through the streets demanding that cartoonists who insult the prophet should be killed as a very "direct and serious threat to kill someone". Especially when we consider that this was literally what was happening in Europe at the time, and that would-be murderers who would happily kill in the name of Islam would know exactly who the protesters were referring to - if not their addresses and phone numbers.

But thats just me.

My point is, I think I have proven that both you and I agree on where freedom of speech ends - namely when it becomes incitement to violence. Its just that we disagree on exactly what constitutes incitement to violence.

That sounds sensible. 18c should be amended to remove other, entirely subjective limits to free speech.

http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html


(Had a look at that thread - Lestat, what a unit!  ;D ;D ;D )

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm

Quote:
What do you mean by "inciting violence"?


Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".

Basically, you have to convince a jury that that there was a clear and imminent risk of violence, and that a reasonable person would have forseen the violence as a consequence, plus a few other caveats such as public interest, truth etc. Plus, and I am not sure how to work this in, but you would also have to exclude a situation where a person gets assaulted as a result of saying the wrong thing in the wrong pub, and then gets charged with inciting vioence against themselves.

An example: going to a BLM rally, waiting till the violence starts, pointing at the nearest white person, and shouting "OMG, that guy just stabbed three black people".

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 9th, 2022 at 12:01pm

freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".


why not? Why bother splitting hairs? - if it *DOES* lead to violence, then it is inciting violence - no?


Quote:
Basically, you have to convince a jury that that there was a clear and imminent risk of violence, and that a reasonable person would have forseen the violence as a consequence,


Easy as pie. Just get a popular imam to stand in front of the cameras and declare "gays are scum who should be killed" in a country or community where gays are already under threat - and watch the vigilante killings pile up. Change 'gays' to 'jews', or whatever oppressed minority you like. I suspect prophet-insulting cartoonists might be your personal preference.

That is clearly "hate speech that can lead to violence" - and indeed does lead to violence (there are indisputably heaps of real life stories where these types of things actually happened).


freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
An example: going to a BLM rally, waiting till the violence starts, pointing at the nearest white person, and shouting "OMG, that guy just stabbed three black people".


You are stubbornly sticking to your guns on "fire in a theatre"- type statements as being the only possibility here, and refusing to contemplate the possibility that actual hate speech can, and does, lead to violence.

Or maybe you do. Would it be fair to describe your position as "free speech is so important that it must be protected at all costs - *EVEN IF* it can lead to violence"?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by issuevoter on Aug 9th, 2022 at 3:58pm
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Aug 9th, 2022 at 6:51pm

'HATE SPEECH' AND SUCH......



If a non-moslem, within a 1st world nation, accuses a moslem of wrongdoing [IN LAW], that is an accusation IN LAW.

But if a non-moslem in an ISLAMIC law jurisdiction accuses a moslem of wrongdoing, the non-moslem commits an offence against ISLAMIC law,
AND, AND, AND, the non-moslem in making his accusation, is committing A HATE CRIME [against all moslems].



Today, moslems want every accusation against a moslem [by a non-moslem] to be always regarded, IN LAW, as A HATE CRIME [just like they do in ISLAMIC law jurisdictions],
even in 1st world nations.



In an ISLAMIC law jurisdiction, a disbeliever is not permitted to bring an accusation IN LAW against a believer.

100% true.



OBSERVATION;
The crime, or non-crime, is committed, 'In the eye of the beholder' [of those who judge the circumstances].

e.g.
In the U.S. in 2020, crimes of murder and of arson against property, by BLM supporters, were described by a CNN reporter as 'Mostly Peaceful'.



In the U.S. in 2020, we can all see, WOKE, LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE values on display.

----- >

CNN Claims Kenosha Protests Are ‘Fiery But Mostly Peaceful’ As City Burns Behind Reporter
01 min
August 25th, 2020
https://youtu.be/klVhCkhOTRQ


https://youtu.be/klVhCkhOTRQ




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 9th, 2022 at 9:25pm

Quote:
why not? Why bother splitting hairs?


Freedom of speech.


Quote:
if it *DOES* lead to violence, then it is inciting violence - no?


For want of a nail.


Quote:
Easy as pie. Just get a popular imam to stand in front of the cameras and declare "gays are scum who should be killed" in a country or community where gays are already under threat - and watch the vigilante killings pile up. Change 'gays' to 'jews', or whatever oppressed minority you like. I suspect prophet-insulting cartoonists might be your personal preference.


You are right. Islam is incompatible with freedom of speech.


Quote:
You are stubbornly sticking to your guns on "fire in a theatre"- type statements as being the only possibility here, and refusing to contemplate the possibility that actual hate speech can, and does, lead to violence.


The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 11th, 2022 at 4:18pm
feel free to provide a readable and coherent answer FD.

You can start with explaining what "for want of a nail" - in this context means.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:50pm
Are you familiar with the proverb, and the legal principle based on it?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Aug 12th, 2022 at 12:34pm



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 15th, 2022 at 12:42pm

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:50pm:
Are you familiar with the proverb, and the legal principle based on it?


No. Do please elaborate. Preferably with reference to the topic we are discussing.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Aug 15th, 2022 at 1:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:50pm:
Are you familiar with the proverb, and the legal principle based on it?


No. Do please elaborate. Preferably with reference to the topic we are discussing.



“For the want of a nail the shoe was lost,
For the want of a shoe the horse was lost,
For the want of a horse the rider was lost,
For the want of a rider the battle was lost,
For the want of a battle the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe-nail.”

― Benjamin Franklin


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Aug 15th, 2022 at 1:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)



Free speech






Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:43pm
Here you go FD, I'll give you a conversation starter:

hate speech that leads to violence is not incitement to violence.

discuss...


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Aug 16th, 2022 at 2:36pm

@ Reply #133,



Discuss [blind] hatred [e.g. hate speech 'in the mosque'] and its consequences you say ?

AL WALAA WAL BARAA



The principle    religious   precept of ISLAM [and of ISLAMIC law],
is the [religiously justified] HATRED of every disbeliever, and of every person who rejects the PRIMACY of ISLAMIC law.

And, ISLAMIC religious strictures, plainly state, that every moslem, to remain a moslem,
must also hate, and fight, and kill disbelievers, until Allah's religion is followed by everyone ?


.


HATRED OF ALL NON-MOSLEMS, is PURE mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine.


----- >


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1608864099/1#1

Quote:

ARGUMENT;
The religious strictures of ISLAM require the follower of ISLAM;
1/ to love and to serve Allah's religion,
and,
2/ to hate all things which are deemed to be, NON-ISLAMIC.


".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."


The religious strictures of ISLAM itself, determine what type of life is acceptable to ISLAM.  [a not uncommon situ, for followers of any religion]

And these religious strictures, 'nominate' [for the edification of the believer] every item [and idea] in this world, as being either ISLAMICALLY approved, or not.

And those 'things' which are not ISLAMICALLY approved, are to be rejected and hated, by the follower of ISLAM.

INCLUDING, all disbelievers.   e.g. Koran 60.4


.


FURTHER;


WWW search....
AL WALAA WAL BARAA, "Islamic jurists"


Essentially, it translates as;

".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."


It means, LOVING your moslem brothers.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, HATING the non-moslem.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, being a moslem.

It means, OBEYING ISLAMIC LAW !




Pure Al-wala' wa-l-bara' in the Koran....


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23




.



ANOTHER EVIDENCE;


IMAGE.....


Self-Described ‘Islamic Bonnie and Clyde’ Guilty of Plot to Attack ‘Non-Believers,’


.


Oct 06, 2018


Quote:

By Christine Douglass-Williams on Oct 06, 2018

Australia: “Islamic Bonnie and Clyde” plotted New Year’s Eve jihad stabbing attack on non-Muslims

A couple who described themselves as an “Islamic Bonnie and Clyde” have been found guilty in an Australian court of planning a New Year’s Eve terrorist stabbing attack on non-Muslims.

Sameh Bayda and Alo-Bridget Namoa, both 21, were charged last year with the offences.

Now the two will enter prison, where they will likely join forces with other jihadists.


In February 2016, Sameh Bayda said to investigators that she wanted to do an “Islamic Bonnie and Clyde on the Kaffir.”


Prosecutors alleged Bayda.....said each believed they had a “religious obligation to attack non-believers”.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/10/australia-islamic-bonnie-and-clyde-plotted-new-years-eve-jihad-stabbing-attack-on-non-muslims




NOW TELL ME AGAIN.....

What justification did that young "Aussie" moslem couple give,
to explain their want,     to kill their 'fellow' Australians ???



------- >


Quote:

Prosecutors alleged Bayda.....said each believed they had a “religious obligation to attack non-believers”.





Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 16th, 2022 at 6:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:43pm:
Here you go FD, I'll give you a conversation starter:

hate speech that leads to violence is not incitement to violence.

discuss...


Who with? Does anyone disagree with you?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 18th, 2022 at 8:54am

freediver wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 6:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:43pm:
Here you go FD, I'll give you a conversation starter:

hate speech that leads to violence is not incitement to violence.

discuss...


See this is where we run into problems when you reply with meaningless one line quips that no one understands.

Exhibit A:


freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 9:25pm:

Quote:
if it *DOES* lead to violence, then it is inciting violence - no?


For want of a nail.


Without any available elaboration, I interpreted that as you disagreeing that hate speech that leads to violence is inciting violence.

But feel free to explain yourself for once.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 18th, 2022 at 7:04pm
Frank has already googled it for you.


Frank wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:50pm:
Are you familiar with the proverb, and the legal principle based on it?


No. Do please elaborate. Preferably with reference to the topic we are discussing.



“For the want of a nail the shoe was lost,
For the want of a shoe the horse was lost,
For the want of a horse the rider was lost,
For the want of a rider the battle was lost,
For the want of a battle the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe-nail.”

― Benjamin Franklin


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 19th, 2022 at 1:54pm
I understand the quote What I don't understand is how its supposed to clear up what I actually asked you:


polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18th, 2022 at 8:54am:
Without any available elaboration, I interpreted that as you disagreeing that hate speech that leads to violence is inciting violence.

But feel free to explain yourself for once.


- which I asked straight after you suggested that no one disagrees with the statement "hate speech that leads to violence is not incitement to violence."

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 20th, 2022 at 8:17am
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 22nd, 2022 at 1:16pm

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2022 at 8:17am:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Try again FD.

I'm not going to guess at what you mean, and then have you accuse me of misinterpreting you.

I am not asking you to (cryptically) explain your support for free speech. I'm still trying to pin you down on the quote I posted you saying that 'hate speech that can lead to violence' is not 'incitement to violence'.

How do you figure this? If nutjobs are motivated to kill someone because of what someone said to them - then that speech is incitement to violence. Thats just a simple fact. Acknowledging this doesn't in any way diminish your devotion to "free speech" - but it does mean having to acknowledge that you believe that incitement to violence is a necessary evil to support - in order to uphold the greater good of free speech.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 7:33am

Quote:
I'm still trying to pin you down on the quote I posted you saying that 'hate speech that can lead to violence' is not 'incitement to violence'.


There is nothing cryptic about it. This is the legal (and moral) principle I am basing it on. It is literally taught to first year law students using the proverb. Answer the question correctly, and you will have shown that you also understand the principle. Just try it, grasshopper.

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 25th, 2022 at 11:05am

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 7:33am:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


I thought I made myself clear FD, I don't understand the analogy - in relation to what I was actually asking you.

Now try again:

Quote:
I'm still trying to pin you down on the quote I posted you saying that 'hate speech that can lead to violence' is not 'incitement to violence'.


try and give a straight answer if you can. Pretend I'm stupid and I don't have any idea what the nail proverb says or means, and that its pointless continually repeating it. So you may as well discard it altogether. And no need to rant about first year law classes etc either.

Just answer the question grasshopper.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 27th, 2022 at 8:58am

Quote:
I thought I made myself clear FD, I don't understand the analogy - in relation to what I was actually asking you.


Do you understand the proverb?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Xavier on Aug 27th, 2022 at 2:04pm
Paganism created Zarathustrianism (Duality)
Zarathustrian created Judaism, Christianity and Mohommedism.
Like a 'God-Father' creates 3 sons.

Judaism - themed on Asia
Christianity - themed on Europe
Mohommedism - themed on Africa

...you will find that the Media and its 'holier' than though Celebrities are doing the same with N.America, Australia and S.America from their true Oceanic future.


Judaism/Christianity - same book, different stories.
Christianity/Mohommedism - different books, same story.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 29th, 2022 at 6:55am

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by issuevoter on Aug 29th, 2022 at 7:28am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 6:55am:


You can see why they view the West as weak. Sadism is entrenched in Islam.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:02pm

issuevoter wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 7:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 6:55am:


You can see why they view the West as weak. Sadism is entrenched in Islam.



Muslims are still stuck in the 7th century and all its barbarity.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:16pm

freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2022 at 8:58am:

Quote:
I thought I made myself clear FD, I don't understand the analogy - in relation to what I was actually asking you.


Do you understand the proverb?


Yes.

I don't understand you.

But never mind, you are obviously determined not to clarify anything. As you were.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:24pm
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by AusGeoff on Aug 30th, 2022 at 4:09am

I think, at least in Australia, we need to maintain a certain
degree of Islamophobia.  It keeps us on our toes, especially
now that so many Muslims are settling here.  Islam is the
second-fastest growing religion in Australia, and at the last
census there were more than 813,300 of them here.  As a
comparison, there were only 99,950 Jews in Australia.

As a lifelong atheist, I find this image, captured in Sydney, quite disturbing...



This is NOT how we should be educating young Australian
schoolgirls in any way, shape or form.  I dread to think what
they're being taught behind closed doors.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Aug 30th, 2022 at 5:51am
In 1941 the English Channel proved very effective in preventing an invasion by Adolf Hitler’s Germany, but it has proved much less effective in 2022 in deterring an invasion of illegal migrants from North Africa and the Middle East.

On one day last week almost 1300 of these migrants reached the English coast in 27 boats. These took the total number of arrivals for the eight months of this year to almost 23,000, close to double the number who had crossed the Channel by the same time last year.

All of these arrivals presumably will claim asylum as political refugees in Britain, thereby sparking legal proceedings that will take many years to determine, if ever. What they know is, once they have landed in Britain, the overwhelming likelihood is they will never be forced to leave. They are, of course, not political refugees but economic immigrants.

This is not in itself a cause for criticism. The US and Australia were built largely by economic immigrants. But in those cases their entry was authorised by the administrations of each country.

In a desperate effort to deal with this problem the British government devised a plan this year to process asylum-seekers in Rwanda. This was essentially an exercise in deterrence on the basis that those crossing the Channel would not do so if they knew their destination was Rwanda, not Britain. But immigration lawyers brought proceedings against the British government in the European Court of Human Rights, which granted an injunction to stop any deportations to Rwanda.

This is an issue of sovereignty. Britain has left the EU but is still subject to a court in Strasbourg, France. Why the British government is prepared to accept such a situation is difficult to answer.

The problem with the 1951 Geneva Convention on the status of refugees is that it defines a refugee as a person who has left their country because of a well-founded view of being persecuted in that country by reason of race, religion, nationality, membership of a political social group or political opinion. It no doubt was thought in 1951 that there would be individuals from time to time in this category but no one envisaged a situation where millions of people in some regions wanted to leave their countries and move to more attractive ones.

It also was assumed in 1951 that refugees would seek asylum in the first country in which they arrived after leaving their own unsafe regime. But, as in the case of those crossing the Channel, it is now possible to move through many countries, then finally settle on one – in this case Britain – as the place to make an asylum claim.

Almost all the boats crossing the Channel are leaving from France. This raises the question of why the immigrants, many of them unaccompanied young men, having moved through Europe from North Africa and the Middle East, do not want to try to settle in one of these European countries,including France, which they obviously want to abandon for Britain. Needless to say, the French have no interest in stopping the boats and they cannot be compelled to take their occupants back even if the British were to force them to turn around.

Most Western countries have a system for authorised immigrants and a separate quota for genuine refugees. The only alternative is the concept of open borders in circumstances where millions in Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia would prefer to live in a Western country. But that solution to the problems of immigration in the modern world is never openly advocated by those in Britain who condemned the Rwanda proposal or those in Australia who have condemned the policies of successive federal governments. Yet it is an inevitable consequence of the views they espouse.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/britain-besieged-by-economic-migrants/news-story/de717e6b1127f5324e1bb143b3f8a616

Turning back boats and deportations are necessary. Court procedures for asylum claim reviews must be shortened and radically simplified. There is a whole immigration law industry.  There shouldn't be. Grounds for asylum must be narrowed.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Aug 30th, 2022 at 11:34am

freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Is free speech the nail or the kingdom in this analogy? Or is it incitement to violence that is the nail - or perhaps the apprentice? At least answer that.

Do you even remember what I actually asked you?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Aug 30th, 2022 at 6:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 11:34am:

freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Is free speech the nail or the kingdom in this analogy? Or is it incitement to violence that is the nail - or perhaps the apprentice? At least answer that.

Do you even remember what I actually asked you?


In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Sep 2nd, 2022 at 1:57pm
Is this the sort of "discussion" you envisaged when you first created this forum FD?


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Sep 2nd, 2022 at 5:40pm
I never expected to find a whole religion dedicated to evasion.

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Sep 2nd, 2022 at 5:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2nd, 2022 at 1:57pm:
Is this the sort of "discussion" you envisaged when you first created this forum FD?



It is a magnificently plain record and illustration of just how alien the Islamic mind is, not least because its absolute dread of critical self-reflection.

If there is ONE thing that Islam killed off and keeps killing off to this day, it is critical self-reflection. Because Muslims from Mohammed to this day know that critical self-reflection would blow Islam away faster than a Haboob.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Sep 30th, 2022 at 10:24am

freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2022 at 5:40pm:
I never expected to find a whole religion dedicated to evasion.


Hilarious - says the guy who has avoided a simple request for clarification about 5 times now.

Lets just pretend you are not trolling, and you genuinely don't understand what the problem is here. This is literally how it has gone down:

FD asks: "Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?"

Gandalf asks what that means in the context of this discussion.

FD answers: "Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?"

FD follow-up answer to more requests for clarification as to what the analogy means:
"In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom."

Now I know you know how inane and stupid you are acting, but I'll just put it here anyway for posterity.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Sep 30th, 2022 at 10:28am

Frank wrote on Sep 2nd, 2022 at 5:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2nd, 2022 at 1:57pm:
Is this the sort of "discussion" you envisaged when you first created this forum FD?



It is a magnificently plain record and illustration of just how alien the Islamic mind is, not least because its absolute dread of critical self-reflection.

If there is ONE thing that Islam killed off and keeps killing off to this day, it is critical self-reflection. Because Muslims from Mohammed to this day know that critical self-reflection would blow Islam away faster than a Haboob.


Oh I agree Frank - definitely someone explaining a free speech analogy "Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?" - with "In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom." - sure does expose what a silly bunch those muslims are.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Sep 30th, 2022 at 6:11pm

Quote:
Gandalf asks what that means in the context of this discussion.


I think the answer will be obvious if you stop evading. It is independent of context. Your question does not even make sense.

FD asks: "Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?"

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Oct 6th, 2022 at 9:38am
It is not independent of context FD. I can't believe I have to point that out.

Pretend I'm stupid and it is not obvious to me. Just explain it anyway - just for fun.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:42pm
Perhaps you could give some contexts in which the answer is different?

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by random on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:57pm

freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 6:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 11:34am:

freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Is free speech the nail or the kingdom in this analogy? Or is it incitement to violence that is the nail - or perhaps the apprentice? At least answer that.

Do you even remember what I actually asked you?


In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom.





Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:58pm

random wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 6:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 11:34am:

freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Is free speech the nail or the kingdom in this analogy? Or is it incitement to violence that is the nail - or perhaps the apprentice? At least answer that.

Do you even remember what I actually asked you?


In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom.





Apparently that makes it too complicated for Gandalf. He prefers it when words mean something other than what they mean.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by random on Oct 6th, 2022 at 9:06pm

freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:58pm:

random wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 6:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 11:34am:

freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Is free speech the nail or the kingdom in this analogy? Or is it incitement to violence that is the nail - or perhaps the apprentice? At least answer that.

Do you even remember what I actually asked you?


In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom.





Apparently that makes it too complicated for Gandalf. He prefers it when words mean something other than what they mean.


Congratulations.

I award you a Koala Stamp for not posting yet another rhetorical question.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Oct 7th, 2022 at 10:07am

freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:42pm:
Perhaps you could give some contexts in which the answer is different?

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


You have clearly forgotton the context, as you are too busy being inane.

Here's a reminder:


freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:

Quote:
What do you mean by "inciting violence"?


Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".


after which...


polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 12:01pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".


why not? Why bother splitting hairs? - if it *DOES* lead to violence, then it is inciting violence - no?



Quote:
For want of a nail.


up to this point we were having an adult discussion. From here though you went into pre-school mode - simply repeating the nail analogy that I made perfectly clear that I did not understand. Despite repeated pleas to explain it within the above context of free speech and incitement, you decided to play stupid pre-school games.

But since you ask, that is the context.

The problem for me FD is that you never adequately explained the difference between "hate speech that leads to violence" and "inciting violence" - even though you insist the two are different. Either way, you do seem to accept that free speech can indeed result in violence - hence your ham-fisted attempt at using the nail analogy as a way of warning against blaming free speech for any negative consequences that may result.

But that is not what my question is about. I am not attempting to de-legitimize the principle of free speech. The question is about your position FD - because as it currently stands, it is contradictory and nonsensical: that free speech cannot be incitement to violence, yet on the same token, it can lead to violence. Please square that circle for me. If a public figure calls on cartoonists to be killed - and lo and behold, the next day a whole bunch of cartoonists are killed, the killers citing their inspiration from the speech of said public figure. Apparently that is not incitement by your definition - correct? You would just dismiss this as a legitimate right to argue the case for capital punishment for cartoonists. And yet it very clearly "incited" people to act upon what he said - whether he meant for that to happen or not.

You can start by explaining where the line between incitement and free speech exists. Because I do accept that it is possible for (legitimate) speech to be misconstrued and abused, and where any violence that ensues should not be understood as incitement. Yet, you surely cannot disagree that there is such a thing as 'incitement' that is outside the bounds of 'fire in the theatre' type speech that you seem to restrict it to. But this does, unfortunately for you, mean that you would need to walk back on your previous claim that "hate speech that leads to violence" cannot be 'incitement to violence'


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bias_2012 on Oct 7th, 2022 at 10:46am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 7th, 2022 at 10:07am:
up to this point we were having an adult discussion


No adult in their right mind follows Islam


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 16th, 2022 at 9:11am

Quote:
simply repeating the nail analogy that I made perfectly clear that I did not understand


Because you keep thinking of it as an analogy and trying to second guess where your own thoughts will lead you if you give an honest answer. Think of it instead as an apprentice who erred in making a nail, one later consequence of which was the loss of a kingdom. I am happy to copy and paste the whole proverb if it helps.

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Oct 17th, 2022 at 12:52pm
the apprentice and the nail are obviously analogies FD.

You wouldn't have brought it up if they weren't.

Lets try a different tact, shall we? What does it mean if I answer "yes" and what does it mean if I answer "no" - in relation to my actual question?

But feel free to just repeat and/or copy and paste the analogy again if you really are determined not to have an adult conversation.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:18am

Quote:
Lets try a different tact, shall we? What does it mean if I answer "yes" and what does it mean if I answer "no" - in relation to my actual question?


One would suggest you don't get the principle, one would suggest you do.

Why are you afraid to answer the question?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Oct 18th, 2022 at 10:14am
I can't answer the question FD, because I don't understand it. I've only said that about 10 times already.

You've also forgotton whatever point it was you were trying to make. I went to the trouble of explaining that to you - pointing out what I was actually asking, and how you are singularly failed to answer. For reference, this was my latest effort:


Quote:
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:42pm:
Perhaps you could give some contexts in which the answer is different?

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


You have clearly forgotton the context, as you are too busy being inane.

Here's a reminder:

freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
Quote:
What do you mean by "inciting violence"?


Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".


after which...

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 12:01pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".


why not? Why bother splitting hairs? - if it *DOES* lead to violence, then it is inciting violence - no?


Quote:
For want of a nail.


up to this point we were having an adult discussion. From here though you went into pre-school mode - simply repeating the nail analogy that I made perfectly clear that I did not understand. Despite repeated pleas to explain it within the above context of free speech and incitement, you decided to play stupid pre-school games.

But since you ask, that is the context.

The problem for me FD is that you never adequately explained the difference between "hate speech that leads to violence" and "inciting violence" - even though you insist the two are different. Either way, you do seem to accept that free speech can indeed result in violence - hence your ham-fisted attempt at using the nail analogy as a way of warning against blaming free speech for any negative consequences that may result.

But that is not what my question is about. I am not attempting to de-legitimize the principle of free speech. The question is about your position FD - because as it currently stands, it is contradictory and nonsensical: that free speech cannot be incitement to violence, yet on the same token, it can lead to violence. Please square that circle for me. If a public figure calls on cartoonists to be killed - and lo and behold, the next day a whole bunch of cartoonists are killed, the killers citing their inspiration from the speech of said public figure. Apparently that is not incitement by your definition - correct? You would just dismiss this as a legitimate right to argue the case for capital punishment for cartoonists. And yet it very clearly "incited" people to act upon what he said - whether he meant for that to happen or not.

You can start by explaining where the line between incitement and free speech exists. Because I do accept that it is possible for (legitimate) speech to be misconstrued and abused, and where any violence that ensues should not be understood as incitement. Yet, you surely cannot disagree that there is such a thing as 'incitement' that is outside the bounds of 'fire in the theatre' type speech that you seem to restrict it to. But this does, unfortunately for you, mean that you would need to walk back on your previous claim that "hate speech that leads to violence" cannot be 'incitement to violence'


You have repeatedly ignored these patient attempts to get a grown-up response from you. Why are you afraid to do that FD?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 18th, 2022 at 12:14pm

Quote:
I can't answer the question FD, because I don't understand it.


You understand the question just fine. The only thing you are getting hung up on is what either of us might say after you answer it.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:48pm
who is the nail in your analogy FD? Who is the apprentice? I'll give you a hint - its got something to do with hate speech and incitement to violence, and your contradictory position on it. A position I have gone to great pains to spell out to you.

And before you say it - yes it is an analogy.

Here's how I interpret the analogy:

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom? = should the necessary right of free speech be held liable for bad things that might happen because of it - like violence?

Just a simple confirmation that this is the analogy you meant would be a great start - or maybe I am getting something wrong? Unfortunately though, the problem with using this analogy as your answer to my question - is that it doesn't actually answer my question - as I have already pointed out in great detail - ad-infinitum.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:02pm
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia?

Easy - just ask Muslims to redact all the parts of their Koran which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:33pm

gandalf,

Q.
Why don't moslems like living in Syria ?


...in Lebanon ?

...in Somalia ?

...in Iraq ?

...in Egypt ?

...in Tunisia ?

...in Libya ?

...in Pakistan ?

...and on, and on.


It isn't a trick question.

But has it got something to do with the fact the >> wherever << followers of ISLAM live, every individual moslem, [as child] reads his Koran and the Hadith [studies, ISLAMIC religious doctrine], and by the time that adulthood comes upon him,
this young person has determined that only his own understanding of Allah's will, can be the correct one ?
....i.e. from his mothers knee, he has read the Koran, to better understand Allah's will.

And so, the moslem decides that, to indeed be a good moslem, his obligation in life, is to obey Allah.

And he knows what Allah commands, regarding the correct way of the promotion of Allah's perfect religion.



.



THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


.


ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06







EXAMPLE, CONSEQUENCE; of young formative minds following [being exposed to] ISLAMIC 'religious doctrine'.

-------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
......


WE SEE, EVIDENCE, THAT IN AUSTRALIA, MOSLEM CHILDREN, IN MANY MOSLEM HOMES, ARE BEING TAUGHT
'HOW TO PRACTICE ISLAM',
AND FROM CHILDHOOD, ARE BEING URGED TO DEVELOP THE DESIRE TO BECOME AN ISLAMIC MARTYR ------ >



And of course, moslems in Australia, will vehemently reject such an accusation,
.....coming from a person, another Australian, who is not a follower of ISLAM.

But can such 'rejections', from the local moslem community be sustained ?



------ >


15-year-old gunman, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar
.....follower of ISLAM.


n.b.
Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar went to a meeting at his local mosque, to be given the pistol there.



------ >

IMAGE...


Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters

QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!



n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.



Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)



Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:43pm
The best way is by showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fearing and opposing Islam.

That way the weaselly misnomer "Islamophobia" is defeated.


https://mobile.twitter.com/EvaVlaar/status/1582040827135610880

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Oct 18th, 2022 at 5:45pm

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

The best way is by showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fearing and opposing Islam.

That way      the weaselly misnomer     "Islamophobia" is defeated.


https://mobile.twitter.com/EvaVlaar/status/1582040827135610880



"The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name."
- Confucius

Q.
So why are we, as a society, so, so afraid, to do so ???

So afraid, to contradict and disagree with   the HIVE MIND,   the WOKE,   the PC majority.




ISLAM ?

Human history itself, attests that ISLAM is a philosophy which has encouraged and condoned the oppression and murder of millions, and millions of human beings, who came into contact with the followers of ISLAM.

------- >

WWW search....
islam kill "2 million Christians", sudan, since 1983
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
islam jihad into india killed 80 million
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
islam has massacred over 669+ million non-muslims since 622AD
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
the people of Afghanistan, were once 100% Buddhist, before they came into contact with ISLAM



.



Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.

------- >

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2

Quote:

MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.




.



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?




.



These Bible verses are referring to the spirit entity of, 'Wisdom'.

Proverbs 8:34
Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35  For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36  But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.


There is no such thing, as a spirit entity of, 'Wisdom' ?

No there is not !

Not in the hearts of our nations leaders !



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 18th, 2022 at 6:17pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 5:45pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

The best way is by showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fearing and opposing Islam.

That way      the weaselly misnomer     "Islamophobia" is defeated.


https://mobile.twitter.com/EvaVlaar/status/1582040827135610880



"The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name."
- Confucius

Q.
So why are we, as a society, so, so afraid, to do so ???

So afraid, to contradict and disagree with   the HIVE MIND,   the WOKE,   the PC majority.




ISLAM ?

Human history itself, attests that ISLAM is a philosophy which has encouraged and condoned the oppression and murder of millions, and millions of human beings, who came into contact with the followers of ISLAM.

------- >

WWW search....
islam kill "2 million Christians", sudan, since 1983
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
islam jihad into india killed 80 million
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
islam has massacred over 669+ million non-muslims since 622AD
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
the people of Afghanistan, were once 100% Buddhist, before they came into contact with ISLAM



.



Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.

------- >

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2

Quote:

MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.




.



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
[quote]

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?




.



These Bible verses are referring to the spirit entity of, 'Wisdom'.

Proverbs 8:34
Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35  For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36  But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.


There is no such thing, as a spirit entity of, 'Wisdom' ?

No there is not !

Not in the hearts of our nations leaders !


[/quote]


Dear Yadda,
Today's word is - redundancy.
https://grammarist.com/redundancies/

Also, it was Evelyn Waugh, I think, who said (I quote from memory), 'a bore is someone who leaves out no detail'.
Worth studying.


Content = A
Delivery/presentation = F



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)


Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:33pm

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:43pm:
The best way is by showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fearing and opposing Islam.


There is nothing wrong, Soren, with opposing Islam, except you oppose all Islam, good and bad, together.  When you admit that there is good you might be able to figure the bad.  There is good and bad in all religions, including Christianity.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)


Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   ::) ::)

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)


Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   ::) ::)



Yes - this needs to be redacted:


Deut 13:    KJV

13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city,
and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:37pm

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 6:17pm:

Dear Yadda,

Today's word is - redundancy.
https://grammarist.com/redundancies/

Also, it was Evelyn Waugh, I think, who said (I quote from memory), 'a bore is someone who leaves out no detail'.
Worth studying.


Content = A
Delivery/presentation = F



Dear Frank,

I've been posting on OzPol for > 12 yrs....

...so you ought to have learned by now.....

Yadda [voluminous posts] = = incorrigible   



bobby knows. !


        ;D           :P



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:40pm

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)


Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   ::) ::)

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


If the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, then their should be no more editions of The Bible containing the Old Testament, Soren.  The Old is still used in Christianity, it has not been replaced.   The Old Testament is still a core part of Christianities' teachings - all of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:56pm
Brian,
do you agree with Deut 13:    KJV 

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)


Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   ::) ::)



Yes - this needs to be redacted:


Deut 13:    KJV

13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city,
and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.










Careful bobby.   [....if you do respect God's authority]

Do you remember there was someone in the N.T. who was called Jesus ?

In the four Gospels, Jesus continually praised God's word, and quoted again, and again, from 'the scriptures'.


e.g.
"....And he said unto him, If they hear not      Moses and the prophets,     neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31



And Paul said.....

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And Paul was not talking about the N.T.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2022 at 10:13pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:56pm:
Careful bobby.   [....if you do respect God's authority]

Do you remember there was someone in the N.T. who was called Jesus ?

In the four Gospels, Jesus continually praised God's word, and quoted again, and again, from 'the scriptures'.


e.g.
"....And he said unto him, If they hear not      Moses and the prophets,     neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31



And Paul said.....

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And Paul was not talking about the N.T.



Sorry - Deut 13 was written by a monster.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 19th, 2022 at 10:56am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)


Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   ::) ::)

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


If the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, then their should be no more editions of The Bible containing the Old Testament, Soren.  The Old is still used in Christianity, it has not been replaced.   The Old Testament is still a core part of Christianities' teachings - all of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



The NT could not have happened without the OT. The Covenant with the Jews (Torah) and the other books of the OT attesting to that covenant were extended to all humanity in the NT and that new covenant was placed on a new footing, a new way of relating God to man. Since the non-covenant parts of the OT are mostly the history of the Jews, it remains instructive, especially since the New covenant was made in the name of a Jew. It would be impossible to understand the NT without knowing the OT.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 19th, 2022 at 1:03pm

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?


The problem is the OT has not been superseded, as far as religious Jews are concerned.

Hence the destruction of the Oslo accords by a Jewish fundamentalist no-hoper (with peacemaker Rabin's murder).

And the US Christain Right's ideology - ignoring international law - who build on Jewish "eternal Jerusalem" OT mythology as a presage to the return of Christ.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 19th, 2022 at 2:55pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?


The problem is the OT has not been superseded, as far as religious Jews are concerned.

Hence the destruction of the Oslo accords by a Jewish fundamentalist no-hoper (with peacemaker Rabin's murder).

And the US Christain Right's ideology - ignoring international law - who build on Jewish "eternal Jerusalem" OT mythology as a presage to the return of Christ.

:D :D
So now the problems of the world come from the Jews staying Jewish 2000 years ago.

So you, Polly.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:30pm

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 2:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?


The problem is the OT has not been superseded, as far as religious Jews are concerned.

Hence the destruction of the Oslo accords by a Jewish fundamentalist no-hoper (with peacemaker Rabin's murder).

And the US Christain Right's ideology - ignoring international law - who build on Jewish "eternal Jerusalem" OT mythology as a presage to the return of Christ.

:D :D
So now the problems of the world come from the Jews staying Jewish 2000 years ago.


No, some problems in the world come from claims of scripture, including the Jewish OT, being the Word of God. 

And of course, today we see the dummy RW ideologue Dutton getting his knickers in a knot because the ALP dared to revert to international law re status of Jerusalem.





Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 10:56am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)


Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   ::) ::)

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


If the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, then their should be no more editions of The Bible containing the Old Testament, Soren.  The Old is still used in Christianity, it has not been replaced.   The Old Testament is still a core part of Christianities' teachings - all of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


The NT could not have happened without the OT. The Covenant with the Jews (Torah) and the other books of the OT attesting to that covenant were extended to all humanity in the NT and that new covenant was placed on a new footing, a new way of relating God to man. Since the non-covenant parts of the OT are mostly the history of the Jews, it remains instructive, especially since the New covenant was made in the name of a Jew. It would be impossible to understand the NT without knowing the OT.


The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?



They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by random on Oct 19th, 2022 at 5:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:
So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?


They should both be ignored.

They are both greatest hits of fairy stories.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 10:56am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)


Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   ::) ::)

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


If the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, then their should be no more editions of The Bible containing the Old Testament, Soren.  The Old is still used in Christianity, it has not been replaced.   The Old Testament is still a core part of Christianities' teachings - all of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


The NT could not have happened without the OT. The Covenant with the Jews (Torah) and the other books of the OT attesting to that covenant were extended to all humanity in the NT and that new covenant was placed on a new footing, a new way of relating God to man. Since the non-covenant parts of the OT are mostly the history of the Jews, it remains instructive, especially since the New covenant was made in the name of a Jew. It would be impossible to understand the NT without knowing the OT.


The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


You are lying, knowingly. Soooo Bbwianesque.  History is not instruction, cockwomble.

Is this 'instructions' for eternal slaughter of the French, ya moron?


This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?



They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...



Bollocks, of course. You dont edit the eternal, unchangeable word of Allah.
Every mail order doktor of divining knows that except you, cockwomble.


I am amazed how freely you reveal your stupdity, Bbwian. It almost looks like bravery. It's idiocy paraded.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:43pm

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 10:56am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   ::) ::)


Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   ::) ::)

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


If the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, then their should be no more editions of The Bible containing the Old Testament, Soren.  The Old is still used in Christianity, it has not been replaced.   The Old Testament is still a core part of Christianities' teachings - all of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


The NT could not have happened without the OT. The Covenant with the Jews (Torah) and the other books of the OT attesting to that covenant were extended to all humanity in the NT and that new covenant was placed on a new footing, a new way of relating God to man. Since the non-covenant parts of the OT are mostly the history of the Jews, it remains instructive, especially since the New covenant was made in the name of a Jew. It would be impossible to understand the NT without knowing the OT.


The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


You are lying, knowingly. Soooo Bbwianesque.  History is not instruction, cockwomble.

Is this 'instructions' for eternal slaughter of the French, ya moron?


This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.


I wasn't aware that Shakespeare wrote the Bible, Soren.  You do understand the difference between holy writ and a play, I hope?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:45pm

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?



They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...


Bollocks, of course. You dont edit the eternal, unchangeable word of Allah.
Every mail order doktor of divining knows that except you, cockwomble.

I am amazed how freely you reveal your stupdity, Bbwian. It almost looks like bravery. It's idiocy paraded.



The Koran and the Bible have been edited heavily through the ages, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:45pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?



They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...


Bollocks, of course. You dont edit the eternal, unchangeable word of Allah.
Every mail order doktor of divining knows that except you, cockwomble.

I am amazed how freely you reveal your stupdity, Bbwian. It almost looks like bravery. It's idiocy paraded.



The Koran and the Bible have been edited heavily through the ages, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Say that to the excitable sons of Mohammed, Bbwian.

Go on.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2022 at 8:19pm

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:45pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?



They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...


Bollocks, of course. You dont edit the eternal, unchangeable word of Allah.
Every mail order doktor of divining knows that except you, cockwomble.

I am amazed how freely you reveal your stupdity, Bbwian. It almost looks like bravery. It's idiocy paraded.


The Koran and the Bible have been edited heavily through the ages, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Say that to the excitable sons of Mohammed, Bbwian.

Go on.


From whom do you think I first learnt the fact from, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 19th, 2022 at 8:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 8:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:45pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?



They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...


Bollocks, of course. You dont edit the eternal, unchangeable word of Allah.
Every mail order doktor of divining knows that except you, cockwomble.

I am amazed how freely you reveal your stupdity, Bbwian. It almost looks like bravery. It's idiocy paraded.


The Koran and the Bible have been edited heavily through the ages, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Say that to the excitable sons of Mohammed, Bbwian.

Go on.


From whom do you think I first learnt the fact from, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) ::)


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
How pompous and preposterous and ludicrous can you be!!!!


AMAZING!!






Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 19th, 2022 at 8:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:33pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:43pm:
The best way is by showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fearing and opposing Islam.


There is nothing wrong, Soren, with opposing Islam, except you oppose all Islam, good and bad, together.  When you admit that there is good you might be able to figure the bad.  There is good and bad in all religions, including Christianity.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

What are the good bits of Islam that you like, Bbwian?

Gissa list.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 20th, 2022 at 2:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?



They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...



I agree -
then it's settled - go for it:



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?



They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...


I agree -
then it's settled - go for it:



You first, Bobby.  Afterall you're a believer so stop quoting the flawed work...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.


Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17

Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:35am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.


Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17

Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)



Fair enough Gandalf -
all that violence should be redacted from the Bible -

now what about the Koran?
any suggestions for  some violent passages to be redacted?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:12am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.


Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17

Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)

History.  Not instructions for present conduct.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:28am

Frank wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:12am:
History.  Not instructions for present conduct.



Wasn't it a bit violent?

Let's redact it.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:44am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:


Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)



"......criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide"




What you assert, is ABSOLUTELY incorrect gandalf.

Dathan and Abiram [and their families] were destroyed   >> DIRECTLY by the God of Israel, <<   in the wilderness, AND, not because they refused or complained about killing anyone.

>>>  Dathan and Abiram were destroyed because they sought to provoke a rebellion against Moses and Aaron.  <<<

And the bible records, that Dathan and Abiram [and their families] were destroyed DIRECTLY by the God of Israel.


Read this story,      this chronicle,      directly in the bible.


Numbers 16......

"Now Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men:.....
.....And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?"


"And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.
If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me.
But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD."



.


Hey gandalf.......

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."






Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Oct 21st, 2022 at 10:16am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:

Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.


And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17





gandalf,

The God of Israel brought harsh punishment ?

YES?     ABSOLUTELY.

But the judgement of the God of Israel is/was justified.




Because the peoples of all those nations had for many years 'polluted the land' with the blood of innocent persons, including children.

And the complete wickedness of the people of those nations, was the reason why, the God of Israel, wanted everything belonging to those people, those murderers, destroyed.

This fact, is stated and explained in the bible.

If you will but read it.

All of the JUDGEMENTS, of God of Israel, are done in righteousness.

And the of God of Israel is not a monster.        ......as one poster on this forum recently 'presumed'.


Numbers 35:30
Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.
31  Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.
32  And ye shall take no satisfaction for him that is fled to the city of his refuge, that he should come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest.
33  So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.
34  Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel.


Deuteronomy 9:3
Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.
4  Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.


Deuteronomy 12:28
Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the LORD thy God.
29  When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31  Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

32  What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.



.



"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night."




Psalms 111:6
He hath shewed his people the power of his works, that he may give them the heritage of the heathen.
7  The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.
8  They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

9  He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
10  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.


Proverbs 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.






Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 21st, 2022 at 10:47am

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.


Yes, and how Yahweh - eternal God of the Jews - authorized the genocide of '7 nations mightier than thou' (Israel), during the conquest of 'The Promised Land', c. 1300 -1100 BC. 

So ...has Yahweh changed his spots?

If so, I suppose the amputations and crucifixions ordered by Allah as punishment for infidels and criminals, according to the Islamic Prophet in the 7th century AD, might also be considered as subject to change....




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.


Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17

Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)


Gandalf, can you cite any religious text that promotes ongoing violence more than the Quran?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:48pm:
who is the nail in your analogy FD? Who is the apprentice? I'll give you a hint - its got something to do with hate speech and incitement to violence, and your contradictory position on it. A position I have gone to great pains to spell out to you.

And before you say it - yes it is an analogy.

Here's how I interpret the analogy:

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom? = should the necessary right of free speech be held liable for bad things that might happen because of it - like violence?

Just a simple confirmation that this is the analogy you meant would be a great start - or maybe I am getting something wrong? Unfortunately though, the problem with using this analogy as your answer to my question - is that it doesn't actually answer my question - as I have already pointed out in great detail - ad-infinitum.


It's not an analogy Gandalf. It is a proverb. I have already explained that the nail is an analogy for a nail. It would be a fool's errand to try to turn each item in the proverb into an analogy for something. So stop trying.


Quote:
For want of a nail, the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe, the horse was lost.
For want of a horse, the king was lost.
For want of a king, the battle was lost.
For want of a battle, the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.


Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:39pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.


Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17

Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)


Gandalf, can you cite any religious text that promotes ongoing violence more than the Quran?



Hi FD,
would you agree that both the Bible and the Koran need some serious redaction?
If so would the Christians be any more compliant than the Muslims?


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Dnarever on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)


Just ignore the four or five members who seem to have contracted an extreme case of every phobia imaginable ?



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:48pm
I don't think either of them would pay you any attention Bobby. But feel free to buy your own and go to town with a nikko.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:50pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:48pm:
I don't think either of them would pay you any attention Bobby.
But feel free to buy your own and go to town with a nikko.



So they are both violent religions that refuse to change their ways?






Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Dnarever on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:39pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:

Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.


Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17

Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)


Gandalf, can you cite any religious text that promotes ongoing violence more than the Quran?



Hi FD,
would you agree that both the Bible and the Koran need some serious redaction?
If so would the Christians be any more compliant than the Muslims?



Next you will want to go back to the days when Christian priests were performing abortions.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:48pm:
I don't think either of them would pay you any attention Bobby.
But feel free to buy your own and go to town with a nikko.



So they are both violent religions that refuse to change their ways?


You realise you don't even make sense, right?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:55pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:48pm:
I don't think either of them would pay you any attention Bobby.
But feel free to buy your own and go to town with a nikko.



So they are both violent religions that refuse to change their ways?


You realise you don't even make sense, right?



I make perfect sense.
Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence.
Is it time they came to terms with that and redacted their books?


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 24th, 2022 at 12:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?


...because blind ideologues have to twist the argument presented, to suit their own false narrative.

Frauddiver is the most egregious example on Ozpolitic.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 24th, 2022 at 12:14pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 12:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?


...because blind ideologues have to twist the argument presented, to suit their own false narrative.

Frauddiver is the most egregious example on Ozpolitic.



It's a bit naughty to quote out of context.     :-[

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 24th, 2022 at 12:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 12:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 12:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:
[quote]Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?


...because blind ideologues have to twist the argument presented, to suit their own false narrative.

Frauddiver is the most egregious example on Ozpolitic.



It's a bit naughty to quote out of context.     :-[/quote]

Worse than naughty:  deliberately deceptive.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?


No need.

How can a religion have a religion?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:17pm

freediver wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?


No need.

How can a religion have a religion?



Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic religions.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Oct 24th, 2022 at 8:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?


No need.

How can a religion have a religion?



Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic religions.


What religions do they have?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2022 at 9:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?


No need.

How can a religion have a religion?



Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic religions.

What do YOU think that means?

In your own words - what is an Abrahamic religion and what does it signify today?


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by polite_gandalf on Nov 3rd, 2022 at 1:48pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:48pm:
who is the nail in your analogy FD? Who is the apprentice? I'll give you a hint - its got something to do with hate speech and incitement to violence, and your contradictory position on it. A position I have gone to great pains to spell out to you.

And before you say it - yes it is an analogy.

Here's how I interpret the analogy:

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom? = should the necessary right of free speech be held liable for bad things that might happen because of it - like violence?

Just a simple confirmation that this is the analogy you meant would be a great start - or maybe I am getting something wrong? Unfortunately though, the problem with using this analogy as your answer to my question - is that it doesn't actually answer my question - as I have already pointed out in great detail - ad-infinitum.


It's not an analogy Gandalf. It is a proverb. I have already explained that the nail is an analogy for a nail. It would be a fool's errand to try to turn each item in the proverb into an analogy for something. So stop trying.


Quote:
For want of a nail, the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe, the horse was lost.
For want of a horse, the king was lost.
For want of a king, the battle was lost.
For want of a battle, the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.


Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


In your eternal quest to be as inane as humanly possible, you've completely forgotten the subject FD.

Why bring up the proverb if you insist so vehemently its not in any way an analogy? Can you at least answer that?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 3rd, 2022 at 3:16pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?


No need.

How can a religion have a religion?



Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic religions.

What do YOU think that means?


It means both are followers of Abraham, the founder of Judaism.


Quote:
what does it signify today?


it signifies much conflict in the modern world, as contradictory scriptures, sometimes claiming divine authorization of violence, confront one-another.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Nov 3rd, 2022 at 3:31pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?


No need.

How can a religion have a religion?



Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic religions.

What do YOU think that means?

In your own words - what is an Abrahamic religion and what does it signify today?



My words are not from authority - this is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions


The Abrahamic religions are centered around worship of the God of Abraham.
They most notably include Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 3rd, 2022 at 4:33pm
Back in 2000, the psychiatrist Sally Satel published PC, M.D.: How Political Correctness Is Corrupting Medicine. It is a coruscating attack on the tendency, then in its early days, to subordinate medical decisions to the “indoctrinologists,” activists who put “ideology before patients” and enlist medicine in a left-wing campaign of putative social reform. The book is a brilliant call to arms but seems, when read in the context of current realities, almost tame. Consider, to take just one example, the latest news from the University of Minnesota Medical School, where students this summer took an oath to “promote a culture of anti-racism.” Like Macbeth, Satel had “supp’d full with horrors.” But how much worse things have become in the last couple of decades!

The occasion on which the students proclaimed this oath was denominated a “white coat ceremony.” But it will come as no surprise that said white coats were castigated as a “symbol of power, prestige, and dominance,” all of which, you understand, are bad things. We were surprised, since this ceremony took place at a medical school, that sickness bags were not distributed. So far as we could determine from the video, none was available. “We commit to uprooting the legacy and perpetuation of structural violence deeply embedded within the healthcare system,” the students chanted, though they had nothing to say about committing themselves to mastering the diagnostic or therapeutic skills that would enable them to fulfill that other more traditional oath, the one named for Hippocrates.

We won’t tax our readers’ attention—or upset their stomachs—by reproducing the entire oath. But here are a few representative passages. Be sure you are sitting down and have the windows open. “Our institution is located on Dakota land,” we learn. “Today, many Indigenous people from throughout the state, including Dakota and Ojibwe (ooh-jib-way), call the Twin Cities home; we also recognize this acknowledgment is not enough.” Of course it isn’t. Nothing ever is. But here is what these tender medical shoots promise:

We recognize inequities built by past and present traumas rooted in white supremacy, colonialism, the gender binary, ableism, and all forms of oppression. As we enter this profession with opportunity for growth, we commit to promoting a culture of anti-racism, listening, and amplifying voices for positive change. We pledge to honor all Indigenous ways of healing that have been historically marginalized by Western medicine.

Forget about that mri or cardiac ablation. Get hold of a certified shaman who knows about the laying on of hands and ancient tribal spells, and above all knows how to play the race card without blushing.

As with the invasion of political correctness and identity politics into the humanities, this repellent spectacle was no isolated phenomenon among medical schools. Nor is the University of Minnesota Medical School a backwater. It is consistently ranked as one of the top medical schools in the country. But like many, perhaps most, medical schools, it has eagerly embraced the “woke,” politically correct policies and attitudes that have subverted other areas of higher education. It has, for example, signed on to the strictures outlined in a program called “Anti-Racist Transformation in Medical Education.” According to this document, “medical education and biomedical research have been shaped by a legacy of racial injustice,” a legacy that must be undone by subordinating medical knowledge and practice to the dictates of a racially charged program of “social justice.”

Sally Satel did us all a service by describing the first harbingers of this poisonous onslaught. As is true elsewhere in the educational and corporate establishment of America today, the pathology has only gotten worse and more thoroughly entrenched.
https://newcriterion.com/issues/2022/11/doctors-orders

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 3rd, 2022 at 4:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2022 at 3:31pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 7:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 11:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24th, 2022 at 10:54am:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Quote:
Both Christianity and Islam have religions


They both are religions Bobby. Not people. You might as well be cursing at windmills.


Ah...frauddiver in true form, as usual.

The quote was:

" Both Christianity and Islam have religions based on books full of extreme violence".



Why don't people quote the full text?


No need.

How can a religion have a religion?



Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic religions.

What do YOU think that means?

In your own words - what is an Abrahamic religion and what does it signify today?



My words are not from authority - this is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions


The Abrahamic religions are centered around worship of the God of Abraham.
They most notably include Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.



One of the most striking features about Judaism in comparison with, say, Christianity or Islam, is that it is impossible to answer the question: Who is the central character of the drama of faith? In both of the other Abrahamic monotheisms the answer is obvious. In Judaism, it is anything but. Is it Abraham, the founder of the covenantal family? Is it Jacob, who gave his name Israel to our people and its land? Moses, the liberator and lawgiver? David, the greatest of Israel’s kings? Solomon, the builder of the Temple and the author of its literature of wisdom? Isaiah, the poet laureate of hope? And among women there is a similar richness and diversity.

It is as if the birth of monotheism – the uncompromising unity of the creative, revelatory and redemptive forces at work in the universe – created space for the full diversity of the human condition to emerge.
https://www.rabbisacks.org/covenant-conversation/chayei-sarah/abraham-a-life-of-faith/

I am not a Jew as far as I know but Rabbi Sachs sometimes makes me feel I was. Or a lawyer, at the very least.  :D

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 4th, 2022 at 9:48am

Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2022 at 4:42pm:
One of the most striking features about Judaism in comparison with, say, Christianity or Islam, is that it is impossible to answer the question: Who is the central character of the drama of faith?


In that regard, Judaism is like the other great ME religion of the time (founded in the bronze age), Zoroastrianism, with its 'good versus evil' construct.


Quote:
In both of the other Abrahamic monotheisms the answer is obvious. In Judaism, it is anything but. Is it Abraham, the founder of the covenantal family? Is it Jacob, who gave his name Israel to our people and its land? Moses, the liberator and lawgiver? David, the greatest of Israel’s kings? Solomon, the builder of the Temple and the author of its literature of wisdom? Isaiah, the poet laureate of hope? And among women there is a similar richness and diversity.


Abraham following the 'spirit of the desert'?


Quote:
It is as if the birth of monotheism – the uncompromising unity of the creative, revelatory and redemptive forces at work in the universe – created space for the full diversity of the human condition to emerge.
https://www.rabbisacks.org/covenant-conversation/chayei-sarah/abraham-a-life-of-faith/


Like I said, not unique to Abraham's revelation.


Quote:
I am not a Jew as far as I know but Rabbi Sachs sometimes makes me feel I was. Or a lawyer, at the very least.  :D


You are both in error, in that there is only one creator of the universe, Abraham was only one among many all around the world (including Buddha) to glimpse that reality.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Nov 12th, 2022 at 4:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3rd, 2022 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:48pm:
who is the nail in your analogy FD? Who is the apprentice? I'll give you a hint - its got something to do with hate speech and incitement to violence, and your contradictory position on it. A position I have gone to great pains to spell out to you.

And before you say it - yes it is an analogy.

Here's how I interpret the analogy:

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom? = should the necessary right of free speech be held liable for bad things that might happen because of it - like violence?

Just a simple confirmation that this is the analogy you meant would be a great start - or maybe I am getting something wrong? Unfortunately though, the problem with using this analogy as your answer to my question - is that it doesn't actually answer my question - as I have already pointed out in great detail - ad-infinitum.


It's not an analogy Gandalf. It is a proverb. I have already explained that the nail is an analogy for a nail. It would be a fool's errand to try to turn each item in the proverb into an analogy for something. So stop trying.


Quote:
For want of a nail, the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe, the horse was lost.
For want of a horse, the king was lost.
For want of a king, the battle was lost.
For want of a battle, the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.


Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


In your eternal quest to be as inane as humanly possible, you've completely forgotten the subject FD.

Why bring up the proverb if you insist so vehemently its not in any way an analogy? Can you at least answer that?


Because by answering it you will discover a principle. Or not.

Is it possible for Muslims to have principles that don't come Muhammad's excuses for rape and pillage?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:49am

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 4:03pm:
Is it possible for Muslims to have principles that don't come Muhammad's excuses for rape and pillage?


Is it possible for you to at least pose a question that makes sense?

But it is possible for non-fundamentalist/non-literalist Muslims to claim and act on Islam as being a religion of peace, as it is possible for followers of all religions to claim....since 'God loves mankind'..... 

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by issuevoter on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:42pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 4:03pm:
Is it possible for Muslims to have principles that don't come Muhammad's excuses for rape and pillage?


Is it possible for you to at least pose a question that makes sense?

But it is possible for non-fundamentalist/non-literalist Muslims to claim and act on Islam as being a religion of peace, as it is possible for followers of all religions to claim....since 'God loves mankind'..... 


Utter, Western multicultural revisionist rubbish. To be a Muzlum, you have to believe the Koran is the word of God, as given to Mo by an angel. Its not for you to reinterpret for them, to make Islam more acceptable to us.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm

issuevoter wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 2:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 4:03pm:
Is it possible for Muslims to have principles that don't come Muhammad's excuses for rape and pillage?


Is it possible for you to at least pose a question that makes sense?

But it is possible for non-fundamentalist/non-literalist Muslims to claim and act on Islam as being a religion of peace, as it is possible for followers of all religions to claim....since 'God loves mankind'..... 


Utter, Western multicultural revisionist rubbish. To be a Muzlum, you have to believe the Koran is the word of God, as given to Mo by an angel. Its not for you to reinterpret for them, to make Islam more acceptable to us.


The current debate is the question of compulsion in religion, for which freediver (frauddiver) wants examples. 

All religious texts contain compulsion eg "(Joshua) destroyed everything that breathed, as commanded by the Lord God of Israel".  (Joshua 10, 40).

and OT proclaimed stoning to death of adulterers.. fortunately ignored by most people today...

Yet Folau causes merry havoc with his OT-based proclamations....and Rabin's murderer  was acting on OT mythology about the "Promised Land".

So intelligent Muslims (not ISIS..) like intelligent Jews and Christians must ignore large swathes of their respective scriptures.



 





Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:24pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 4:03pm:
Is it possible for Muslims to have principles that don't come Muhammad's excuses for rape and pillage?


Is it possible for you to at least pose a question that makes sense?

But it is possible for non-fundamentalist/non-literalist Muslims to claim and act on Islam as being a religion of peace, as it is possible for followers of all religions to claim....since 'God loves mankind'..... 


Does this question make sense to you, or are you not allowed to ask it in China?

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:39pm

freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 4:03pm:
Is it possible for Muslims to have principles that don't come Muhammad's excuses for rape and pillage?


Is it possible for you to at least pose a question that makes sense?

But it is possible for non-fundamentalist/non-literalist Muslims to claim and act on Islam as being a religion of peace, as it is possible for followers of all religions to claim....since 'God loves mankind'..... 


Does this question make sense to you, or are you not allowed to ask it in China?

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


So is God the apprentice? Obviously not; yet he commanded obsolete (and now illegal) punishment for wrongdoers.

See the limitations of analogies?

As to an answer to the literal question: both the apprentice and the kingdom are responsible for their fall, because the nail cannot be claimed to be the sole support of the kingdom.  ....





Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by The Grappler on Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm
Ship all Muslims back home and declare your country a Muslim free zone.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:13pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Ship all Muslims back home and declare your country a Muslim free zone.


Better yet, end vicious US-led hegemonic global neoliberalism; and engender prosperous development in all nations (which is what Xi is saying in Bali....), and then Afghanis and Iraqis wouldn't need to flee to Oz, the EU and N. America. 

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:49pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Ship all Muslims back home and declare your country a Muslim free zone.


Better yet, end vicious US-led hegemonic global neoliberalism; and engender prosperous development in all nations (which is what Xi is saying in Bali....), and then Afghanis and Iraqis wouldn't need to flee to Oz, the EU and N. America. 


Hang on a minute ... why are Afghanis and Iraqis fleeing to the US and it's allies if the US is that bad? You'd stay away wouldn't ya?




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 15th, 2022 at 1:06pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Ship all Muslims back home and declare your country a Muslim free zone.


Better yet, end vicious US-led hegemonic global neoliberalism; and engender prosperous development in all nations (which is what Xi is saying in Bali....), and then Afghanis and Iraqis wouldn't need to flee to Oz, the EU and N. America. 


Hang on a minute ... why are Afghanis and Iraqis fleeing to the US and it's allies if the US is that bad? You'd stay away wouldn't ya?


Because they - some of whom co-operated with the US - had the chance to seek refuge in 1st world countries, after the US destroyed the economies of their home nations. 

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by freediver on Nov 20th, 2022 at 9:54am

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 3:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 13th, 2022 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 4:03pm:
Is it possible for Muslims to have principles that don't come Muhammad's excuses for rape and pillage?


Is it possible for you to at least pose a question that makes sense?

But it is possible for non-fundamentalist/non-literalist Muslims to claim and act on Islam as being a religion of peace, as it is possible for followers of all religions to claim....since 'God loves mankind'..... 


Does this question make sense to you, or are you not allowed to ask it in China?

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


So is God the apprentice? Obviously not; yet he commanded obsolete (and now illegal) punishment for wrongdoers.

See the limitations of analogies?

As to an answer to the literal question: both the apprentice and the kingdom are responsible for their fall, because the nail cannot be claimed to be the sole support of the kingdom.  ....


That's why it I keep saying it is not an analogy and it is a fools errand to try to turn it into one. So I am not surprised at your efforts.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Nov 20th, 2022 at 9:58am
Hi FD,
thegreatdivide has a faulty avatar picture that loads up the page and makes it bounce
losing my position when trying to read a page.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/brown/noimg.gif

Can you fix it please? -
I asked him but he did nothing to remove it.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 20th, 2022 at 10:06am

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 1:06pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Ship all Muslims back home and declare your country a Muslim free zone.


Better yet, end vicious US-led hegemonic global neoliberalism; and engender prosperous development in all nations (which is what Xi is saying in Bali....), and then Afghanis and Iraqis wouldn't need to flee to Oz, the EU and N. America. 


Hang on a minute ... why are Afghanis and Iraqis fleeing to the US and it's allies if the US is that bad? You'd stay away wouldn't ya?


Because they - some of whom co-operated with the US - had the chance to seek refuge in 1st world countries, after the US destroyed the economies of their home nations. 

Bollocks.

https://www.ft.com/content/bfdb94a5-654b-4286-8da9-34c0ff3b88aa


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 20th, 2022 at 11:38am

Frank wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 10:06am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 1:06pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Ship all Muslims back home and declare your country a Muslim free zone.


Better yet, end vicious US-led hegemonic global neoliberalism; and engender prosperous development in all nations (which is what Xi is saying in Bali....), and then Afghanis and Iraqis wouldn't need to flee to Oz, the EU and N. America. 


Hang on a minute ... why are Afghanis and Iraqis fleeing to the US and it's allies if the US is that bad? You'd stay away wouldn't ya?


Because they - some of whom co-operated with the US - had the chance to seek refuge in 1st world countries, after the US destroyed the economies of their home nations. 

Bollocks.

https://www.ft.com/content/bfdb94a5-654b-4286-8da9-34c0ff3b88aa


Care to summarize the argument?

Obviously people would prefer to live in the country of their birth; lack of a functional economy (war, geopolitics, resource competition)   forces them to leave.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by issuevoter on Nov 21st, 2022 at 5:10pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 11:38am:

Frank wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 10:06am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 1:06pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Ship all Muslims back home and declare your country a Muslim free zone.


Better yet, end vicious US-led hegemonic global neoliberalism; and engender prosperous development in all nations (which is what Xi is saying in Bali....), and then Afghanis and Iraqis wouldn't need to flee to Oz, the EU and N. America. 


Hang on a minute ... why are Afghanis and Iraqis fleeing to the US and it's allies if the US is that bad? You'd stay away wouldn't ya?


Because they - some of whom co-operated with the US - had the chance to seek refuge in 1st world countries, after the US destroyed the economies of their home nations. 

Bollocks.

https://www.ft.com/content/bfdb94a5-654b-4286-8da9-34c0ff3b88aa


Care to summarize the argument?

Obviously people would prefer to live in the country of their birth; lack of a functional economy (war, geopolitics, resource competition)   forces them to leave.


I do not think it is obvious, or even true. Many people chose to go somewhere else, and not necessarily for economic or political reasons. Some places are more interesting than others. Some places have a better climate. The food is better in some countries than others. Some people are more adventurous than stay-at-home dullards.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 21st, 2022 at 5:17pm

issuevoter wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 11:38am:

Frank wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 10:06am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 1:06pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Ship all Muslims back home and declare your country a Muslim free zone.


Better yet, end vicious US-led hegemonic global neoliberalism; and engender prosperous development in all nations (which is what Xi is saying in Bali....), and then Afghanis and Iraqis wouldn't need to flee to Oz, the EU and N. America. 


Hang on a minute ... why are Afghanis and Iraqis fleeing to the US and it's allies if the US is that bad? You'd stay away wouldn't ya?


Because they - some of whom co-operated with the US - had the chance to seek refuge in 1st world countries, after the US destroyed the economies of their home nations. 

Bollocks.

https://www.ft.com/content/bfdb94a5-654b-4286-8da9-34c0ff3b88aa


Care to summarize the argument?

Obviously people would prefer to live in the country of their birth; lack of a functional economy (war, geopolitics, resource competition)   forces them to leave.


I do not think it is obvious, or even true. Many people chose to go somewhere else, and not necessarily for economic or political reasons. Some places are more interesting than others.


Obvious .....for MOST people who cannot afford to leave, or risk leaving their country of birth, and would have no interest in doing so if secure employment in a safe environment was the norm at home. 



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by issuevoter on Nov 21st, 2022 at 11:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 5:17pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 11:38am:

Frank wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 10:06am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 1:06pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Ship all Muslims back home and declare your country a Muslim free zone.


Better yet, end vicious US-led hegemonic global neoliberalism; and engender prosperous development in all nations (which is what Xi is saying in Bali....), and then Afghanis and Iraqis wouldn't need to flee to Oz, the EU and N. America. 


Hang on a minute ... why are Afghanis and Iraqis fleeing to the US and it's allies if the US is that bad? You'd stay away wouldn't ya?


Because they - some of whom co-operated with the US - had the chance to seek refuge in 1st world countries, after the US destroyed the economies of their home nations. 

Bollocks.

https://www.ft.com/content/bfdb94a5-654b-4286-8da9-34c0ff3b88aa


Care to summarize the argument?

Obviously people would prefer to live in the country of their birth; lack of a functional economy (war, geopolitics, resource competition)   forces them to leave.


I do not think it is obvious, or even true. Many people chose to go somewhere else, and not necessarily for economic or political reasons. Some places are more interesting than others.


Obvious .....for MOST people who cannot afford to leave, or risk leaving their country of birth, and would have no interest in doing so if secure employment in a safe environment was the norm at home. 


You edited my post, taking out the stay-at-home dullards. Bit to close to the bone?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 12:55pm

issuevoter wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 11:37pm:
You edited my post, taking out the stay-at-home dullards. Bit to close to the bone?


See how ideology cripples comprehension and capacity for analysis?

1. I didn't edit your ignorant post.

2. nor did I comment on your absurd comment about some places being "more interesting than others". 

Men are incredibly adaptable, and committed to their own cultures if they are allowed to survive free from externally imposed chaos. eg Sahara desert dwellers, and Eskimos fighting to save their culture and environment  even though those environments are not the "most interesting places" to live in the world...

3.  "stay at home dullards".... like the Hondurans who remain in their failed state, while others choose to attempt an escape to the US - which is causing major political division in the US.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 9th, 2023 at 11:47am
This is @patcondell's take on Islamophobia Awareness Month. You will have to strive hard to find a better dismantling of the false narrative.

Make a cup of tea, refresh your glass it is 6 minutes of pure magic.

https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1721983118460993955

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Nov 9th, 2023 at 6:18pm
The best way to cure islamophobia

Is to deport allthe muzzos, problem solved

You don't try to live in peace with cancer, you try to eradicate it.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 9th, 2023 at 6:38pm


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Matty is again speaking bullshit.  Muslims are usually critizens of Australia and you would discard their rights to that concept and throw them out of our country willy-nilly.  You are too willing to throw away peoples' rights merely because you do not worship the same god as someone else.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:05pm
The Govt needs to impose a hefty tax on muslims who visit Gaza or any other terrorist muslim country, for when they need emergency airlifts when the inevitable terrorist attacks expose them to grave danger, that they got themselves into ... don't tell me they didn't know the hazards of such visits and stays




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 6:38pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Matty is again speaking bullshit.  Muslims are usually critizens of Australia and you would discard their rights to that concept and throw them out of our country willy-nilly.  You are too willing to throw away peoples' rights merely because you do not worship the same god as someone else.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)




It is not about who or how they worship, idiotic wanker and moronic cockwomble. It is about who they want to kill for Allah and Mohammed.


You are stupid, that is a given. But you are also a ****ing moronic pest.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:43pm

Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 6:38pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Matty is again speaking bullshit.  Muslims are usually critizens of Australia and you would discard their rights to that concept and throw them out of our country willy-nilly.  You are too willing to throw away peoples' rights merely because you do not worship the same god as someone else.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


It is not about who or how they worship, idiotic wanker and moronic cockwomble. It is about who they want to kill for Allah and Mohammed.


Then why not differentiate the ordinary, law-abiding, peaceful Muslims from the Terrorists, Soren?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:43pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 6:38pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Matty is again speaking bullshit.  Muslims are usually critizens of Australia and you would discard their rights to that concept and throw them out of our country willy-nilly.  You are too willing to throw away peoples' rights merely because you do not worship the same god as someone else.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


It is not about who or how they worship, idiotic wanker and moronic cockwomble. It is about who they want to kill for Allah and Mohammed.


Then why not differentiate the ordinary, law-abiding, peaceful Muslims from the Terrorists, Soren?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You can't tell them apart. They all worship the same idiotic, bloodthirsty, priapic warlord.  Nobody who thinks Mohammed was the best of men is innocent.
If you are a Mohammedan, you are a moral cripple and a ****wit. Like you, Bbwian. You are a typical Mohammedan.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 9th, 2023 at 8:48pm

Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:43pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 6:38pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Matty is again speaking bullshit.  Muslims are usually critizens of Australia and you would discard their rights to that concept and throw them out of our country willy-nilly.  You are too willing to throw away peoples' rights merely because you do not worship the same god as someone else.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


It is not about who or how they worship, idiotic wanker and moronic cockwomble. It is about who they want to kill for Allah and Mohammed.


Then why not differentiate the ordinary, law-abiding, peaceful Muslims from the Terrorists, Soren?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You can't tell them apart.


You can if you asked them questions, Soren but you're too lazy for that, much easier just to discriminate on the basis of the religoun, just like your grand-dad did with the Jews in the 1940s, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by AusGeoff on Nov 10th, 2023 at 10:44am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia 8-)

I don't see any need to "combat" Islamophobia here
in Australia.  It's more a matter of preserving and
defending the Australian way of life
; our morals
and our ethics and our society's status quo.

Practising Muslims do not share a Western society's
morals, ethics, or societal standards.  At every level
they demand special treatment, dispensations, or
additional unique services—all of which were alien to
the Australian way of life twenty or more years ago.

This report makes for interesting reading:

The Australian Experience of Islamic
State Terrorism and Extremism
.

I think we—Australia—need to be watchful of any
insidious infiltration of radicalised Muslims into the
country and our governments, and maintain a periodic
watching brief on those already resident here.

Any women wearing a burka, niqab, hijab or chador
(and her immediate adult family members) should be
on that watch list.    Or are they already?



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 10th, 2023 at 11:59am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 8:48pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:43pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 7:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 6:38pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Matty is again speaking bullshit.  Muslims are usually critizens of Australia and you would discard their rights to that concept and throw them out of our country willy-nilly.  You are too willing to throw away peoples' rights merely because you do not worship the same god as someone else.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


It is not about who or how they worship, idiotic wanker and moronic cockwomble. It is about who they want to kill for Allah and Mohammed.


Then why not differentiate the ordinary, law-abiding, peaceful Muslims from the Terrorists, Soren?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You can't tell them apart.


You can if you asked them questions, Soren but you're too lazy for that, much easier just to discriminate on the basis of the religoun, just like your grand-dad did with the Jews in the 1940s, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


"Islamophobia"  is Bbwianesque BS.

Here's the explanation. Not a word out of place.
Worth studying.


Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2023 at 11:47am:
This is @patcondell's take on Islamophobia Awareness Month. You will have to strive hard to find a better dismantling of the false narrative.

Make a cup of tea, refresh your glass it is 6 minutes of pure magic.

https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1721983118460993955



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Fuzzball on Nov 10th, 2023 at 12:04pm
Eradicate the Hajis.......Whoops!

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 10th, 2023 at 12:06pm
When you ask individual Muslims questions you might discover the truth about what they believe?  I'd ask the White Supremacists the same or similar questions.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 12:06pm:
When you ask individual Muslims questions you might discover the truth about what they believe?  I'd ask the White Supremacists the same or similar questions.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

What question is that, spineless cockwomble?

Do you believe in the universal triumph of Islam, jihad and the Ummah?



And speaking of your complete inanity:

You make yourself a laughing stock every day, Bbwian.  I just point it out:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1666059796/266#266

Eyerolling as you do. Hinty hinty spineless ijit.  Of course we laugh at you, of course we ridicule you. What else is there to do?


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:29pm

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 12:06pm:
When you ask individual Muslims questions you might discover the truth about what they believe?  I'd ask the White Supremacists the same or similar questions.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

What question is that, spineless cockwomble?

Do you believe in the universal triumph of Islam, jihad and the Ummah?


And if they say, "no!" Will you believe them, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 12:06pm:
When you ask individual Muslims questions you might discover the truth about what they believe?  I'd ask the White Supremacists the same or similar questions.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

What question is that, spineless cockwomble?

Do you believe in the universal triumph of Islam, jihad and the Ummah?


And if they say, "no!" Will you believe them, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

If they are apostates, of course I will. If they go to mosque on Fridays, they are lying.
Taqqiya.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 14th, 2023 at 1:56pm

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 12:06pm:
When you ask individual Muslims questions you might discover the truth about what they believe?  I'd ask the White Supremacists the same or similar questions.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

What question is that, spineless cockwomble?

Do you believe in the universal triumph of Islam, jihad and the Ummah?


And if they say, "no!" Will you believe them, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

If they are apostates, of course I will. If they go to mosque on Fridays, they are lying.
Taqqiya.


Gee, wonder how other religious people will think about that?  I know many Jews, Catholics and Anglicans who don't believe but still go to church every holy day.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Nov 14th, 2023 at 3:22pm

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:37pm:
If they go to mosque on Fridays, they are lying.

:D :D :D

Do you have to be a hypocrite with every single topic?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ja-Sindarin on Nov 14th, 2023 at 3:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 12:06pm:
When you ask individual Muslims questions you might discover the truth about what they believe?  I'd ask the White Supremacists the same or similar questions.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

What question is that, spineless cockwomble?

Do you believe in the universal triumph of Islam, jihad and the Ummah?


And if they say, "no!" Will you believe them, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

If they are apostates, of course I will. If they go to mosque on Fridays, they are lying.
Taqqiya.


Gee, wonder how other religious people will think about that?  I know many Jews, Catholics and Anglicans who don't believe but still go to church every holy day.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


Oh you brag about 'knowing a lot of people for this and that' - yet going by the Board you Mod, you don't seem to have a lot of people to know there. You're full of turdles.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 15th, 2023 at 7:35pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 3:22pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:37pm:
If they go to mosque on Fridays, they are lying.

:D :D :D

Do you have to be a hypocrite with every single topic?

You know what they preach in mosques, do you, thick ****?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 15th, 2023 at 8:36pm

Frank wrote on Nov 15th, 2023 at 7:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 3:22pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:37pm:
If they go to mosque on Fridays, they are lying.

:D :D :D

Do you have to be a hypocrite with every single topic?

You know what they preach in mosques, do you, thick ****?


You definitely don't, Soren, so stop bullshitting that you do.  You'd cross the street rather than walk on the same side as a Muslim.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ja-Sindarin on Nov 15th, 2023 at 8:41pm
Brian hides in his barrack beating his chest how tough he is out there in the 'real' world.  ;D

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Nov 15th, 2023 at 9:21pm

Frank wrote on Nov 15th, 2023 at 7:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 3:22pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:37pm:
If they go to mosque on Fridays, they are lying.

:D :D :D

Do you have to be a hypocrite with every single topic?

You know what they preach in mosques, do you, thick ****?


Yeah,  bullshit.  Which is why I would have thought you'd love em since you're always preaching bullshit. 
Now answer my question,  do you have to be  a hypocrite with every topic?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:27am

John Smith wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 3:22pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 9:37pm:
If they go to mosque on Fridays, they are lying.

:D :D :D

Do you have to be a hypocrite with every single topic?

Where's the hypochrisy, thick-as?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:06pm
The best way to cure islamophobia

Is to deport allthe muzzos, problem solved

You don't try to live in peace with cancer, you try to eradicate it

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:50pm
Muslims will NEVER fit into Western society.
They do not want to.
You can't be a western Muslim unless you are an apostate. 

They are here to take over. That is what they have been doing for 1300 years.

No different now.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by MeisterEckhart on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:55pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:50pm:
Muslims will NEVER fit into Western society.
They do not want to.
You can't be a western Muslim unless you are an apostate. 

They are here to take over. That is what they have been doing for 1300 years.

No different now.

Millions of Muslims live in the West. Are they all either apostates or suicide bombers?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:56pm

Valkie wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:06pm:
The best way to cure islamophobia

Is to deport allthe muzzos, problem solved

You don't try to live in peace with cancer, you try to eradicate it


What does, "allthe muzzos," mean, Matty?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you really need to work on your thumb work there on your phone, you silly little man. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:08pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:50pm:
Muslims will NEVER fit into Western society.
They do not want to.
You can't be a western Muslim unless you are an apostate. 

They are here to take over. That is what they have been doing for 1300 years.

No different now.

Millions of Muslims live in the West. Are they all either apostates or suicide bombers?

No. Most of them are lying doggy, Bbwianesquely, waiting to see which way the wind blows and will be ready to swear undying - or rather dying- devotion to whichever side is winning.

The sniffed the air now and are out by the thousand for Palestine. Opportunists.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by MeisterEckhart on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:12pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:50pm:
Muslims will NEVER fit into Western society.
They do not want to.
You can't be a western Muslim unless you are an apostate. 

They are here to take over. That is what they have been doing for 1300 years.

No different now.

Millions of Muslims live in the West. Are they all either apostates or suicide bombers?

No. Most of them are lying doggy, Bbwianesquely, waiting to see which way the wind blows and will be ready to swear undying - or rather dying- devotion to whichever side is winning.

The sniffed the air now and are out by the thousand for Palestine. Opportunists.

Out by the thousand... Not 10s of millions, then?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:14pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:50pm:
Muslims will NEVER fit into Western society.
They do not want to.
You can't be a western Muslim unless you are an apostate. 

They are here to take over. That is what they have been doing for 1300 years.

No different now.

Millions of Muslims live in the West. Are they all either apostates or suicide bombers?

No. Most of them are lying doggy, Bbwianesquely, waiting to see which way the wind blows and will be ready to swear undying - or rather dying- devotion to whichever side is winning.

The sniffed the air now and are out by the thousand for Palestine. Opportunists.

Out by the thousand... Not 10s of millions, then?

As I said, most of them are lying doggo and waiting to see what bandwagon to jump on.

Insh'allah, innit.

Taqqiya- lying on principle  - is a unique and abiding Islamic principle. You believe them at your  peril.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by MeisterEckhart on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:16pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:50pm:
Muslims will NEVER fit into Western society.
They do not want to.
You can't be a western Muslim unless you are an apostate. 

They are here to take over. That is what they have been doing for 1300 years.

No different now.

Millions of Muslims live in the West. Are they all either apostates or suicide bombers?

No. Most of them are lying doggy, Bbwianesquely, waiting to see which way the wind blows and will be ready to swear undying - or rather dying- devotion to whichever side is winning.

The sniffed the air now and are out by the thousand for Palestine. Opportunists.

Out by the thousand... Not 10s of millions, then?

As I said, most of them are lying doggy and waiting what bandwagon to jump on.

Insh'allah, innit.

Most of them, eh!

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:50pm:
Muslims will NEVER fit into Western society.
They do not want to.
You can't be a western Muslim unless you are an apostate. 

They are here to take over. That is what they have been doing for 1300 years.

No different now.

Millions of Muslims live in the West. Are they all either apostates or suicide bombers?

No. Most of them are lying doggy, Bbwianesquely, waiting to see which way the wind blows and will be ready to swear undying - or rather dying- devotion to whichever side is winning.

The sniffed the air now and are out by the thousand for Palestine. Opportunists.

Out by the thousand... Not 10s of millions, then?

As I said, most of them are lying doggy and waiting what bandwagon to jump on.

Insh'allah, innit.

Most of them, eh!


Yes, all of them except the apostates.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by MeisterEckhart on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:21pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:50pm:
Muslims will NEVER fit into Western society.
They do not want to.
You can't be a western Muslim unless you are an apostate. 

They are here to take over. That is what they have been doing for 1300 years.

No different now.

Millions of Muslims live in the West. Are they all either apostates or suicide bombers?

No. Most of them are lying doggy, Bbwianesquely, waiting to see which way the wind blows and will be ready to swear undying - or rather dying- devotion to whichever side is winning.

The sniffed the air now and are out by the thousand for Palestine. Opportunists.

Out by the thousand... Not 10s of millions, then?

As I said, most of them are lying doggy and waiting what bandwagon to jump on.

Insh'allah, innit.

Most of them, eh!


Yes, all of them except the apostates.

What about the one-legged ones - they'd be 'armless enough!

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:28pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:50pm:
Muslims will NEVER fit into Western society.
They do not want to.
You can't be a western Muslim unless you are an apostate. 

They are here to take over. That is what they have been doing for 1300 years.

No different now.

Millions of Muslims live in the West. Are they all either apostates or suicide bombers?

No. Most of them are lying doggy, Bbwianesquely, waiting to see which way the wind blows and will be ready to swear undying - or rather dying- devotion to whichever side is winning.

The sniffed the air now and are out by the thousand for Palestine. Opportunists.

Out by the thousand... Not 10s of millions, then?

As I said, most of them are lying doggy and waiting what bandwagon to jump on.

Insh'allah, innit.

Most of them, eh!


Yes, all of them except the apostates.

What about the one-legged ones - they'd be 'armless enough!

You are disappearing up your own compulsively self referential arse, pal. 

I can kinda hear the buzz in your head. Must be unpleasant close up. Sounds like a ****ing pain in the arse even from this distance. How do you cope, pal? Hideous.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by MeisterEckhart on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:29pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 8:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2023 at 7:50pm:
Muslims will NEVER fit into Western society.
They do not want to.
You can't be a western Muslim unless you are an apostate. 

They are here to take over. That is what they have been doing for 1300 years.

No different now.

Millions of Muslims live in the West. Are they all either apostates or suicide bombers?

No. Most of them are lying doggy, Bbwianesquely, waiting to see which way the wind blows and will be ready to swear undying - or rather dying- devotion to whichever side is winning.

The sniffed the air now and are out by the thousand for Palestine. Opportunists.

Out by the thousand... Not 10s of millions, then?

As I said, most of them are lying doggy and waiting what bandwagon to jump on.

Insh'allah, innit.

Most of them, eh!


Yes, all of them except the apostates.

What about the one-legged ones - they'd be 'armless enough!

You are disappearing up your own compulsively self referential arse, pal. 

I can kinda hear the buzz in your head. Must be unpleasant close up. Sounds like a ****ing pain in the arse even from this distance. How do you cope, pal? Hideous.

Well, you're not armless... flapping away!

'Fappity fappity fap'

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Nov 16th, 2023 at 11:12pm
Abolish Islam????  Is this like ... a multiple choice question?

Is it:-

A.  Abolish Islam
B.  Keep Islam away from your shores or borders
C.  Simply enforce assimilation and mutual respect
D.  Deport hostile Islamists

Ten seconds........................

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 17th, 2023 at 4:06pm
It is always the people you least expect, innit.

https://twitter.com/danelbennamer/status/1723735557468016757?s=12


Doing Mohammed's work....

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 17th, 2023 at 4:35pm
Who initiated this topic and gave it the title : The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Nov 17th, 2023 at 4:37pm
The best way to cure islamophobia

Is to deport all the muzzos, problem solved
You know, the strange, deluded and mentally deficient mo the mad worshippers

You don't try to live in peace with cancer, you try to eradicate it

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 17th, 2023 at 4:54pm
You cannot "deport" Australian Citizens.  They are citizens with same rights as all other citizens.  To protest, to voice dissent and to worship their god of choice,  Muslims are Australians, Matty, as much as you deny them their citizenship, Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ja-Sindarin on Nov 17th, 2023 at 7:31pm
Brian will be convicted for Treachery once official war breaks out. Not hard to trace anyone on the Internet.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17th, 2023 at 4:54pm:
You cannot "deport" Australian Citizens.  They are citizens with same rights as all other citizens.  To protest, to voice dissent and to worship their god of choice,  Muslims are Australians, Matty, as much as you deny them their citizenship, Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You LOVE that, don't you cockwomble, that avowed enemies of Australia must not be pood out, purged, but kept in, festering, stinking.

You LOVE that.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 21st, 2023 at 7:02am
Muslims, you have the right to tell us that we shouldn't draw Mohammad and we have the right to ignore you and draw Mohammad.
But in a world where cartoonists have been MURDERED by Muslims for drawing Mohammad, your demand that we don’t draw him out of “respect” for you is to be answered with F*ck You



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 21st, 2023 at 11:20am
Oh, poor, poor, Soren, way out there in your outrage.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM you are.  People respect other people before they disrespect them.  You should try it, Muslims are innocent until proven guilty under Western Law, not the reverse.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 21st, 2023 at 12:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 11:20am:
Oh, poor, poor, Soren, way out there in your outrage.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM you are.  People respect other people before they disrespect them.  You should try it, Muslims are innocent until proven guilty under Western Law, not the reverse.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

:D

You don't understand the simplest think, impaired cockwomble. Where is any 'reversed here about innocence and guilt tt and law?

Focus this time, wipe those seeping, rheumatic eyes and try again slowly:



Muslims, you have the right to tell us that we shouldn't draw Mohammad and we have the right to ignore you and draw Mohammad.
But in a world where cartoonists have been MURDERED by Muslims for drawing Mohammad, your demand that we don’t draw him out of “respect” for you is to be answered with F*ck You.



Geddit?


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 21st, 2023 at 1:40pm

Oh, poor, poor, Soren, way out there in your outrage.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM you are.  People respect other people before they disrespect them.  You should try it, Muslims are innocent until proven guilty under Western Law, and society, not the reverse.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 9:00am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 1:40pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Soren, way out there in your outrage.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM you are.  People respect other people before they disrespect them.  You should try it, Muslims are innocent until proven guilty under Western Law, and society, not the reverse.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



Why is it, spineless cockwomble, that your little sandpit of MRB, Defence,  has the largest number of banned members?


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:33am

Oh, poor, poor, Soren, way out there in your outrage.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM you are.  People respect other people before they disrespect them.  You should try it, Muslims are innocent until proven guilty under Western Law, and society, not the reverse. 

One day you might grasp that idea, Soren.  Try it, it won't hurt you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ja-Sindarin on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:38am
We could always send Brian as a human sacrifice to HAMAS.
It may appease them for... about 5 minutes.

Brian and Peccary: Racing to see which one is the more unoriginal repetitive bore-worm?

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:53am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:33am:
Oh, poor, poor, Soren, way out there in your outrage.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM you are.  People respect other people before they disrespect them.  You should try it, Muslims are innocent until proven guilty under Western Law, and society, not the reverse. 

One day you might grasp that idea, Soren.  Try it, it won't hurt you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



That's enough compulsive self-fellating, Bwwian, you'll get a cramp.  And it is unseemly. Tsk, tsk.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 11:03am
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren is off again on his ad huminem bent.  He claims he wants to discuss things seriously but then refuses to do so when offered the chance.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 11:54am
There were NO MUSLIMS on the streets anywhere, not in the ME and especially not in any Western city protesting after the barbarity of Muslims on 7 October. No Muslim crowds angrily shouting, " Not In OUR Name!!"

No. Instead, there were Muslim crowds celebrating, calling for a daily encore.  So when such people demand respect for themselves and their religion and their sensibilities, and when useful idiotic spineless apologists for them are demanding the same respect, the answer is unequivocal **** you.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 1:01pm
Perhaps you need to read more widely, Soren?

Muslim Americans Against Hamas

The importance of understanding the differences between Hamas, IS and al-Qaeda

Israel-Hamas war hits close to home for Europe’s Muslim

Senior Muslim Clerics Issue Fatwa Against Hamas

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 1:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 1:01pm:
Perhaps you need to read more widely, Soren?

Muslim Americans Against Hamas

The importance of understanding the differences between Hamas, IS and al-Qaeda

Israel-Hamas war hits close to home for Europe’s Muslim

Senior Muslim Clerics Issue Fatwa Against Hamas


So no Muslim crowds on streets angrily shouting, " Not In OUR Name!!" Only crowds celebrating barbaric terrorism.

You should be ashamed,  spineless worm of an apologist for Islamic barbarity.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 2:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 11:03am:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren is off again on his ad huminem bent.  He claims he wants to discuss things seriously but then refuses to do so when offered the chance.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



This is what you have been a spineless apologist for.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/380631

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/380605

https://fathomjournal.org/daddy-daddy-god-why-am-i-alive-a-harrowing-report-from-a-journalist-who-watched-raw-footage-of-the-hamas-pogrom-of-7-october/

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 4:33pm
I do not apologise for Terrorism, Soren,  I have offered you the chance, numerous times to discuss the issues seriously but you instead automatically lapse into ad huminem and Islamophobic or Xenophobic insults at the drop of a hat.  Aren't you ashamed at all, you demand that I discuss the matter seriously but you are the one who runs away?  So childish, so foolish, that is all we have come to expect from you... Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 4:36pm

Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 1:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 1:01pm:
Perhaps you need to read more widely, Soren?

Muslim Americans Against Hamas

The importance of understanding the differences between Hamas, IS and al-Qaeda

Israel-Hamas war hits close to home for Europe’s Muslim

Senior Muslim Clerics Issue Fatwa Against Hamas


So no Muslim crowds on streets angrily shouting, " Not In OUR Name!!" Only crowds celebrating barbaric terrorism.

You should be ashamed,  spineless worm of an apologist for Islamic barbarity.

I do not apologise for Terrorism, in the slightest, Soren. You have been unable to quote any apologies from me, when I have challenged you to.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you wanted Muslims who condemn Hamas and I supplied links that showed you didn't read very widely.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 5:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 1:33pm:

So no Muslim crowds on streets angrily shouting, " Not In OUR Name!!" Only crowds celebrating barbaric terrorism.

You should be ashamed,  spineless worm of an apologist for Islamic barbarity.


I do not apologise for Terrorism, in the slightest, Soren.          You have been unable to quote any apologies from me, when I have challenged you to.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you wanted Muslims who condemn Hamas and I supplied links that showed you didn't read very widely.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)




What Brian_Ross said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379197632/34#34

----- >


Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.

It is terrible but I also recognise

I have no right or ability to criticise them.

I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.



.


IMAGE...


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior

January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 5:47pm
They went on the offensive in Sydney today, the cops had a hard time trying to control them - bloody idiots, why don't they piss off to the Middle East?

https://www.9news.com.au/national/israel-hamas-update-pro-palestine-protest-at-port-botany-ends-in-arrests/17471b1b-8f6c-4c4f-b41d-4ab3d378e4ab







Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ja-Sindarin on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 5:59pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 5:47pm:
They went on the offensive in Sydney today, the cops had a hard time trying to control them - bloody idiots, why don't they piss off to the Middle East?

https://www.9news.com.au/national/israel-hamas-update-pro-palestine-protest-at-port-botany-ends-in-arrests/17471b1b-8f6c-4c4f-b41d-4ab3d378e4ab


Thanks to Albanese and Australia - we allowed the Terrorists to 'cheer' for their team and it kickstarted a world-wide following.

I hope they get violent and try their tricks here.
It will be good to see where it gets them and show the world what they really are.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 5:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 1:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 1:01pm:
Perhaps you need to read more widely, Soren?

Muslim Americans Against Hamas

The importance of understanding the differences between Hamas, IS and al-Qaeda

Israel-Hamas war hits close to home for Europe’s Muslim

Senior Muslim Clerics Issue Fatwa Against Hamas


So no Muslim crowds on streets angrily shouting, " Not In OUR Name!!" Only crowds celebrating barbaric terrorism.

You should be ashamed,  spineless worm of an apologist for Islamic barbarity.

I do not apologise for Terrorism, in the slightest, Soren. You have been unable to quote any apologies from me, when I have challenged you to.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you wanted Muslims who condemn Hamas and I supplied links that showed you didn't read very widely.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



There are 188 pages of your spineless apologetics, shameless, useful idiot of barbarians.
188 pages.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/2808#2808


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 4:33pm:
I do not apologise for Terrorism, Soren,  I have offered you the chance, numerous times to discuss the issues seriously but you instead automatically lapse into ad huminem and Islamophobic or Xenophobic insults at the drop of a hat.  Aren't you ashamed at all, you demand that I discuss the matter seriously but you are the one who runs away?  So childish, so foolish, that is all we have come to expect from you... Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

I am not negotiating with spineless apologists for Islamists.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ja-Sindarin on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:14pm
Brian is a Terrorist Supporter traitor hiding in the ADF.
ASIO should be warned.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:21pm
The idiots are encouraging Arab school kids to go on strike and join them in their protesting

Someone is going to have to put a stop to all this foreign M.E bullshit in OZ, we don't need that crap here


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/instruction-for-schools-over-palestine-student-strike/ar-AA1kg84G






Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:33pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:14pm:
Brian is a Terrorist Supporter traitor hiding in the ADF.
ASIO should be warned.


They know already ... there is in existence a small list .....

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:48pm

Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 4:33pm:
I do not apologise for Terrorism, Soren,  I have offered you the chance, numerous times to discuss the issues seriously but you instead automatically lapse into ad huminem and Islamophobic or Xenophobic insults at the drop of a hat.  Aren't you ashamed at all, you demand that I discuss the matter seriously but you are the one who runs away?  So childish, so foolish, that is all we have come to expect from you... Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

I am not negotiating with spineless apologists for Islamists.


Well - many here do not begin to understand the difference between Islamics and Islamists...  they are instantly triggered by the prefix 'Islam' into the belief that the discussion is all adherents to all Seven Schools of Islamic teaching... the 'Seven Pillars of Wisdom' of T.E. Lawrence (tedious reading for me) .... some say the reference is to certain cities... they most likely have little knowledge of Islamic thinking.  In his book Lawrence does not mention these cities.... holy places though they may be ... but instead uses allegory and inference to suggest the thinking of the adherents to these seven pillars of wisdom.  If indeed Lawrence was referring to cities, these would be the seats of each individual approach to Islamic thinking - which is much like post-Luther Christianity in which Holy War was declared by one 'side' of Christianity against another, leading to many years of bloodshed and violence of many kinds..... including massive Lawfare....  see Sunni and Shia .....

As descendant of Christians on both sides of the Protestant and Catholic Irish 'divide', much like Tim Collins, I am beyond redemption... a lack made even worse by my being 10% Jewish... and I literally shake my head at the persecution of Catholics in Britain AND the ill-treatment of Protestants in various places.


".... and did you persecute the Huguenots?"

"I did that thing!"

"I put it to you that you are not the real Armand-Jean du Plessis, Cardinal and Duke de Richelieu... who did not even exist in the same century as you do!"

"As a man of the church, I am bound to tell the truth!  You have me there..."


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 7:59pm
Oh, poor, poor, Soren, way out there with the loons, hey? Unable to argue, unable to even discuss the matter sensibly,  without resorting to ad huminem insults.  I wonder how old you are, mentally, Soren?  10 years old, perhaps?  You act like a child and you wonder why I get fed up with your insults?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 8:01pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:14pm:
Brian is a Terrorist Supporter traitor hiding in the ADF.


I am?  Oh, poor, poor, JaSin. 


Quote:
ASIO should be warned.


I think you are a greater danger to Australian society than I ever will be, JaSin.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 8:03pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:33pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:14pm:
Brian is a Terrorist Supporter traitor hiding in the ADF.
ASIO should be warned.


They know already ... there is in existence a small list .....


Which has all you Islamophobes on it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ja-Sindarin on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 8:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 8:01pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 6:14pm:
Brian is a Terrorist Supporter traitor hiding in the ADF.


I am?  Oh, poor, poor, JaSin. 


Quote:
ASIO should be warned.


I think you are a greater danger to Australian society than I ever will be, JaSin.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Only to pro-terrorism lefties like you.  ;D

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 8:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 7:59pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Soren, way out there with the loons, hey? Unable to argue, unable to even discuss the matter sensibly,  without resorting to ad huminem insults.  I wonder how old you are, mentally, Soren?  10 years old, perhaps?  You act like a child and you wonder why I get fed up with your insults?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You are a spineless apologist for Islam.

Discuss sensibly.



Go on. Give us your sensible argument for Islam, why you like it, why you prefer it, what you learn from it that makes you better. Go on.
Don't just roll your stupid eyes, don't just tut tut at what others say.  Make your own positive case for Islam.

Enough of your inane, reactionary disapproval of critics of Islam. Make your positive case for Islam and what you love about it and about its devotees.





Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 9:04pm
Anyone who believes most Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding, harmless people is according to you "pro-Terrorist", Soren.  You really are quite silly in your Islamophobia, quite crazy. I am not attracted to Islam, I just believe most Muslims are harmless, peaceful, law-abiding, people.  Until you present evidence that each one is a danger, you are barking up the wrong tree.  You have cut off a slice of Australian society because you have a mindless hatred for Muslims, Blacks, Immigrants, you name it, you hate it.  Time for you to grow up, to stop acting like a 10 year old child.  Get to know some Muslims, try and understand what they are going through.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ja-Sindarin on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:40pm
Anyone who believes anything Bwian says is a Terrorist.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 3:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 9:04pm:
Anyone who believes most Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding, harmless people is according to you "pro-Terrorist", Soren.  You really are quite silly in your Islamophobia, quite crazy. I am not attracted to Islam, I just believe most Muslims are harmless, peaceful, law-abiding, people.  Until you present evidence that each one is a danger, you are barking up the wrong tree.  You have cut off a slice of Australian society because you have a mindless hatred for Muslims, Blacks, Immigrants, you name it, you hate it.  Time for you to grow up, to stop acting like a 10 year old child.  Get to know some Muslims, try and understand what they are going through.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


People who believe in Jihad, the ummah, that Mohammed is the best of men, the Koran, the teachings and wonderfulness of Islam, sharia,  that it is is all gods eternal will etc, etc are far from harmless. These are dangerous, backward, destructive beliefs and guides to life, incompatible with humane, reasonable societies.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Black Orchid on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 3:31pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:40pm:
Anyone who believes anything Bwian says is a Terrorist.


Brian is an Islamophile and, as such, can certainly support terrorism by the simple fact of being blind.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 8:27pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 3:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:40pm:
Anyone who believes anything Bwian says is a Terrorist.


Brian is an Islamophile and, as such, can certainly support terrorism by the simple fact of being blind.


I am not blind to the fact of Terrorism, BO.  I am yes, a bit of an Islamophile, to the point where I have known, served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims, none of which were Terrorists or Terrorist supporters.  That is of course far more than all the Islamophobics have ever done.  Which are you?  An Islamophobic or an Islamoignoramus?  I don't think you know any Muslims, personally, do you?  Yet, you still make judgements on them without any understanding.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Ja-Sindarin on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 9:35pm
I don't see any Moslems or Moslem nations condemning the Terrorism actions of other Moslems or Moslem nations.

Basically you're protecting Terrorism.

As no Moslems condemn Terrorism - they are all in it together.
Thus, they are all Terrorists, every single one of them.
It's the world's biggest Pack Mentality.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 10:14pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 9:35pm:
I don't see any Moslems or Moslem nations condemning the Terrorism actions of other Moslems or Moslem nations.

Basically you're protecting Terrorism.

As no Moslems condemn Terrorism - they are all in it together.
Thus, they are all Terrorists, every single one of them.
It's the world's biggest Pack Mentality.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, JaSin Perhaps you need to read more widely?

Muslim Americans Against Hamas

The importance of understanding the differences between Hamas, IS and al-Qaeda

Israel-Hamas war hits close to home for Europe’s Muslim

Senior Muslim Clerics Issue Fatwa Against Hamas

Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 10:22pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67504272


Dutch election: Anti-Islam populist Geert Wilders wins dramatic victory

    Published

1 hour ago





Veteran anti-Islam populist leader Geert Wilders has won a dramatic victory in the Dutch general election, with almost all votes counted.

After 25 years in parliament, his Freedom party (PVV) is set to win 37 seats, well ahead of his nearest rival, a left-wing alliance.

"The PVV can no longer be ignored," he said. "We will govern."

His win has shaken Dutch politics and it will send a shock across Europe too.

But to fulfil his pledge to be "prime minister for everyone", he will have to persuade other parties to join him in a coalition. His target is 76 seats in the 150-seat parliament.

    Who is Geert Wilders and what does he want?

At a party meeting on Thursday, Mr Wilders, 60, was cheered and toasted by party members in a room crammed with TV cameras.

He told the BBC that "of course" he was willing to negotiate and compromise with other parties to become prime minister.

The PVV leader won after harnessing widespread frustration about migration,
promising "borders closed" and
putting on hold his promise to ban the Koran.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 10:23pm
Gert Wilder may have enough seats to form government in Holland

Edit: you just got in before me Bobby - great stuff!







Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 10:27pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 10:23pm:
Gert Wilder may have enough seats to form government in Holland

Edit: you just got in before me Bobby - great stuff!




yep - finally some push back against Islamic nut cases.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 11:09pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 10:23pm:
Gert Wilder may have enough seats to form government in Holland

Edit: you just got in before me Bobby - great stuff!





Quote:
Muslim migrant as the election results are released in the Netherlands:

"Geert Wilders won, I'm going back to my country"

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1727672240693543423


:)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Nov 24th, 2023 at 5:59am
https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-election-candidates-prime-minister-wilders-9ed5752f49315517876f1646d4c2d4f2


By MIKE CORDER and RAF CASERT

Updated 6:30 AM GMT+11, November 24, 2023

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — Anti-Islam populist Geert Wilders said Thursday that he is ready to join the next Dutch coalition government after he surged to a huge election victory that marked a stunning lurch to the far right for a nation once famed as a beacon of tolerance.

The result is sending shockwaves through Europe, where extremist nationalist ideology is putting pressure on democracies that now face the possibility of having to deal with the first far-right prime minister of the Netherlands.

“It is going to happen that the PVV is in the next Cabinet,” Wilders said, using the Dutch abbreviation for his Party for Freedom.

With nearly all votes counted, Wilders’ party was forecast to win 37 seats in the 150-seat lower house of parliament, more than double the 17 the party secured in the last election.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 25th, 2023 at 9:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 3:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:40pm:
Anyone who believes anything Bwian says is a Terrorist.


Brian is an Islamophile and, as such, can certainly support terrorism by the simple fact of being blind.


I am not blind to the fact of Terrorism, BO.  I am yes, a bit of an Islamophile


What do you like about Islam, cockwomble?  Apart from encountering some Muslims who didn't behead you for being a godless Irish white infidel atheist.

What do you actual like about Islam? What are an Islamophile FOR?
We have asked this many times and you, being a spineless, squishy worm, slithered away every time.
So here is another opportunity for you to be a spineless, slippery Islamophobia and writhe ridiculously.

Go on, tell us why you are an Islamophile - apart from Ahmed feeling you up or otherwise tickling your ... ahem.... fancy.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 26th, 2023 at 7:00am
If representative Islamic associations had condemned the horrific attacks of 10/7 and expressed solidarity with Jewish victims, they would have contributed greatly to combating Islamophobia. Instead, Muslim leaders have collectively failed the victims of 10/7 and the 240 taken hostage. After the attacks on the mosques in Christchurch in March 2019 in which 51 Muslims were killed during Friday prayers, representatives of all faiths conveyed condolences and expressed solidarity. Hijab-clad Jacinda Ardern consoled grieving relatives and held the nation together.
...
After 7 October attack on Israel demonstrators have called for Jews to be gassed, taunted them that the army of Mohammed that massacred Jews in the seventh century will return, urged the globalisation of the intifada, and issued a call to arms for jihad. The terrorists have been valourised, Israel vilified, Jews attacked and threatened, posters of the missing hostages torn down. In Jordan a café is reportedly selling ‘Holocaust coffee’ with the slogan ‘I feel the Arab taste’. It is served with marshmallows in the blue and white colours of the Israeli flag that are burnt before serving. Had community leaders issued statements disassociating the majority of Muslims from these vile chants, their calls for justice for Palestinians would have had credibility and resonance.

Islamic community leaders chose the option of equivocating, contextualising and even justifying what was done. Had they spoken out immediately and forcefully, the attacks would have been widely seen as a cowardly and evil acts of a terrorist group unrepresentative of the Palestinian, Arab and Islamic communities. Instead their silence on the attacks, the triumphalist celebrations by demonstrators and the subsequent acts and words of hostility directed at Jews have given rise to perceptions of a broader support for what was done. This will fuel an anti-Muslim backlash.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/11/interfaith-solidarity-must-be-a-two-way-street/

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Black Orchid on Nov 26th, 2023 at 9:18am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 3:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:40pm:
Anyone who believes anything Bwian says is a Terrorist.


Brian is an Islamophile and, as such, can certainly support terrorism by the simple fact of being blind.


I am not blind to the fact of Terrorism, BO.  I am yes, a bit of an Islamophile, to the point where I have known, served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims, none of which were Terrorists or Terrorist supporters.  That is of course far more than all the Islamophobics have ever done.  Which are you?  An Islamophobic or an Islamoignoramus?  I don't think you know any Muslims, personally, do you?  Yet, you still make judgements on them without any understanding.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


We've had this conversation before, Brian.  You worked with a random muslim decades ago and are now their #1 supporter.

At a guess I'd say that I've known a great deal more than you as I've employed many FEMALE muslims over the years.  One of my oldest friends was spokesperson for Mamoun Abdul Gayoom in the debacle of the Maldivian elections in 2008.

You arrive at your views from knowing 1 random male muslim (who you now claim as numerous).  I arrive at mine from knowing many female muslims over the years.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Agnes. on Nov 26th, 2023 at 12:30pm
don't talk about them- they actually understand very little.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 26th, 2023 at 12:40pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 26th, 2023 at 9:18am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 3:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:40pm:
Anyone who believes anything Bwian says is a Terrorist.


Brian is an Islamophile and, as such, can certainly support terrorism by the simple fact of being blind.


I am not blind to the fact of Terrorism, BO.  I am yes, a bit of an Islamophile, to the point where I have known, served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims, none of which were Terrorists or Terrorist supporters.  That is of course far more than all the Islamophobics have ever done.  Which are you?  An Islamophobic or an Islamoignoramus?  I don't think you know any Muslims, personally, do you?  Yet, you still make judgements on them without any understanding.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


We've had this conversation before, Brian.  You worked with a random muslim decades ago and are now their #1 supporter.

At a guess I'd say that I've known a great deal more than you as I've employed many FEMALE muslims over the years.  One of my oldest friends was spokesperson for Mamoun Abdul Gayoom in the debacle of the Maldivian elections in 2008.

You arrive at your views from knowing 1 random male muslim (who you now claim as numerous).  I arrive at mine from knowing many female muslims over the years.


"! random male"?  Really?  Gee, I count my association with Muslims to be in the tens, Black Orchid.  Now tell us, did you discuss what being a Muslim today meant to your friends?  Did they describe what your attitude to Muslims meant to them?  I'm interested.  I've known two Muslim women over the years.  Their experience was very different to the men.  They were not "oppressed" in the slightest, they actually were oppressors to some extent.  Funny that, hey? 

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 26th, 2023 at 12:42pm

Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 3:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:40pm:
Anyone who believes anything Bwian says is a Terrorist.


Brian is an Islamophile and, as such, can certainly support terrorism by the simple fact of being blind.


I am not blind to the fact of Terrorism, BO.  I am yes, a bit of an Islamophile


What do you like about Islam, cockwomble?  Apart from encountering some Muslims who didn't behead you for being a godless Irish white infidel atheist.

What do you actual like about Islam? What are an Islamophile FOR?
We have asked this many times and you, being a spineless, squishy worm, slithered away every time.
So here is another opportunity for you to be a spineless, slippery Islamophobia and writhe ridiculously.

Go on, tell us why you are an Islamophile - apart from Ahmed feeling you up or otherwise tickling your ... ahem.... fancy.



Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I am only attracted to Muslims because they are honourable and good meaning people, unlike you, Soren who I wouldn't trust with a sharp knife behind my back.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 26th, 2023 at 4:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2023 at 12:42pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 23rd, 2023 at 3:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 10:40pm:
Anyone who believes anything Bwian says is a Terrorist.


Brian is an Islamophile and, as such, can certainly support terrorism by the simple fact of being blind.


I am not blind to the fact of Terrorism, BO.  I am yes, a bit of an Islamophile


What do you like about Islam, cockwomble?  Apart from encountering some Muslims who didn't behead you for being a godless Irish white infidel atheist.

What do you actual like about Islam? What are an Islamophile FOR?
We have asked this many times and you, being a spineless, squishy worm, slithered away every time.
So here is another opportunity for you to be a spineless, slippery Islamophobia and writhe ridiculously.

Go on, tell us why you are an Islamophile - apart from Ahmed feeling you up or otherwise tickling your ... ahem.... fancy.



Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I am only attracted to Muslims because they are honourable and good meaning people, unlike you, Soren who I wouldn't trust with a sharp knife behind my back.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Here's the truth about Islam in the West:

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1728443252649738543

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 26th, 2023 at 9:52pm
So much for freedom of religion, so much for freedom of political expression, so much for freedom of movement in the Netherlands under Mr. Wilders.  So much for your regard for the same things, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 26th, 2023 at 9:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2023 at 9:52pm:
So much for freedom of religion, so much for freedom of political expression, so much for freedom of movement in the Netherlands under Mr. Wilders.  So much for your regard for the same things, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


I agree with China


China_004.jpg (52 KB | 3 )

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 26th, 2023 at 9:56pm
When China suppresses Christianity, we cry that they are suppressing a religion.  Yet when China suppresses Islam we have the Baron cheering them on.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 26th, 2023 at 9:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2023 at 9:56pm:
When China suppresses Christianity, we cry that they are suppressing a religion.  Yet when China suppresses Islam we have the Baron cheering them on.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


Who is this we crap Bwhine?

Being delusional is considered a mental illness.

All muslims believe Muhammad rode a flying donkey.

China is right with their approach to Islam.


China_005.jpg (52 KB | 4 )

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 26th, 2023 at 10:50pm
When China suppresses Christianity, we cry that they are suppressing a religion.  Yet when China suppresses Islam we have the Baron cheering them on.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Valkie on Nov 27th, 2023 at 6:35pm
China has the right idea.
Get rid of this cult of death, once and for all.

IF ALL MUZZOS WERE SHIPPED TO SOMEWHERE,STOPPED FROM LEAVING.

THE WORLD WOUKD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2023 at 9:52pm:
So much for freedom of religion, so much for freedom of political expression, so much for freedom of movement in the Netherlands under Mr. Wilders.  So much for your regard for the same things, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Freedom of religion is not about the Freedom for Islam to subjugate the world, ya stupid invalid kook.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 27th, 2023 at 9:17pm

When China suppresses Christianity, we cry that they are suppressing a religion.  Yet when China suppresses Islam we have Matty and Soren and the Baron cheering them on.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 28th, 2023 at 9:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 9:17pm:
When China suppresses Christianity, we cry that they are suppressing a religion.  Yet when China suppresses Islam we have Matty and Soren and the Baron cheering them on.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

China is suppressing EVERY kind of dissident thought, idiotic cockwomble.

The great secret of your unerring stupidity is that you are unable to distinguish between ordinary categories and concepts and so, as has been pointed out elsewhere, you strut around shitting everywhere randommly and yet think you are a clever pigeon who has brought order and lucidity. 

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Nov 30th, 2023 at 6:11am
Islamist terrorists have won the war for hearts and minds


Watching Melbourne schoolchildren protesting against Israel, supported by parents and teachers, it’s clear the West did not win the global war on terror – because we saw it only as a physical contest.

Al-Qa’ida leader Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attack on the US, would have been proud because Islamist terrorism now is mainstreamed into Western society, including right here in Australia.

This phenomenon has been successful because it is coinciding with the denigration of everything that made the West strong since the Enlightenment. The fact is the October 7 attack on Israel was one of the most successful psychological operations against the West at the height of its weakness.


I witnessed Islamic State in Syria and northern Iraq, the Taliban in Afghanistan, the New People’s Army in The Philippines and the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, as well as other rebel movements such as the Mai-Mai in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. One thing they all have in common is that their mission reaches beyond a physical dimension.

They have a cognitive network that is borderless. And when combined with a well-supplied sanctuary supported by a big brother, then they are hard to defeat. This is made even harder when they are allowed to swim in what Mao Zedong called the warm waters of the population.

In Australia and across the West, we have large pools of disgruntled, impressionable, narcissistic communities nurtured on identity politics, envy and hate, a generation reared on fear except the fear of losing the soul of the West. This is being legitimatised by leading global organisations such as the UN.

The Islamist global insurgency manoeuvred into the next phase of its plan. A climate was created for hundreds of thousands of young, fit, Western-hating, fighting-aged males to cross freely into Europe and other Western countries during the civil war in Syria. All the insurgency had to do was wait patiently for the right moment, using the sanctuaries secured in generous Western countries to drive its campaign into the heart of all facets of our Judaeo-Christian society.

The Islamist insurgency’s strategy also involves deploying our own principles against us. The success of this strategy is now evident. The sight of many Western women celebrating or offering excuses for a movement that rapes, mutilates and kills women is an example.

Jason Thomas is the director of Frontier Assessments.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Dec 1st, 2023 at 4:57pm

Times Of India


New Dutch PM's Message for Muslims

Geert Wilders is Anti-Islam,

Anti-EU and Anti-Immigrant

322,694 views  Nov 30, 2023 


Geert Wilders, the new Prime Minister of the Netherlands, is under scrutiny for urging Muslims to leave the country, as seen in an unverified video. The footage shows Wilders suggesting that Muslims who prioritize the Quran over secular laws should exit, estimating around 700,000 such individuals in the Netherlands. He proposes they move to Islamic countries to live by their own rules. Despite winning the most seats, PVV is projected to hold only 25% of parliamentary seats, making collaboration necessary. While the VVD Party considers supporting a Wilders-led government from the outside, they rule out cabinet participation. Pieter Omtzigt from the NSC Party raises concerns about Wilders' extreme views conflicting with religious freedom protections, signalling potential difficulties in forming a government due to divergent political positions



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALOlZTcghZg

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 1st, 2023 at 5:39pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 4:57pm:
Times Of India


New Dutch PM's Message for Muslims

Geert Wilders is Anti-Islam,

Anti-EU and Anti-Immigrant

322,694 views  Nov 30, 2023 


Geert Wilders, the new Prime Minister of the Netherlands, is under scrutiny for urging Muslims to leave the country, as seen in an unverified video. The footage shows Wilders suggesting that Muslims who prioritize the Quran over secular laws should exit, estimating around 700,000 such individuals in the Netherlands. He proposes they move to Islamic countries to live by their own rules. Despite winning the most seats, PVV is projected to hold only 25% of parliamentary seats, making collaboration necessary. While the VVD Party considers supporting a Wilders-led government from the outside, they rule out cabinet participation. Pieter Omtzigt from the NSC Party raises concerns about Wilders' extreme views conflicting with religious freedom protections, signalling potential difficulties in forming a government due to divergent political positions



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALOlZTcghZg

He's not PM yet, Boobs, ffs.  He just had the most votes but not an absolute majority.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 1st, 2023 at 5:46pm
Marco Rubio has it straight.

This is the correct and concise response to AlLL the gweggys, ducks, thickos, Mothras, Bbwians, sad sacks, laffin' loons etc.
Can't say it simpler. Destroy Hamas. Carthago.


https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1730133670831247818

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 4th, 2023 at 8:52am
One dead, two injured in ‘terror attack’ in Paris
An attacker stabbed one person to death and wounded another in near the Eiffel Tower on Saturday, reportedly shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ before being arrested.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:16am
“Islamophobia” is a nonsense term, designed to stifle criticism.  No ideology or belief-system should be ringfenced from criticism or ridicule.

Christopher Hitchens was right.


https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1732066402570252395


In other Islam is Peace ...er.. Pisstake news:
https://twitter.com/__Injaneb96/status/1731954850169082257
(What's that hideous hairy animal on his face?)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Dec 6th, 2023 at 8:38am

Frank wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 8:52am:


One dead, two injured in ‘terror attack’ in Paris

An attacker stabbed one person to death and wounded another in near the Eiffel Tower on Saturday, reportedly shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ before being arrested.


These 'incidents' are happening again and again, in what were once first world nations.

With their 'EYES WIDE SHUT' .........those who govern us are ISLAMIC appeasers,
and they [our Woke LAWMAKERS] do not hate the LAWLESSNESS which ISLAMIC culture promulgates.



promulgate = = promote or make widely known.       put (a law or decree) into effect by official proclamation.


.


ABC social engineering....

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2

Quote:

MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.



.


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 6th, 2023 at 9:36am
A radical Muslim cuts your head off.
A moderate Muslim does not. He merely watches on quietly.
An apostate Muslim tries to defend you and the radical Muslim will behead him too.
The moderate Muslim, having leaned his lesson, will continue to watch in silence.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 9th, 2023 at 8:23am
The best way to combat Islamophobia is to keep Islam out of the West.


The French Intifada, by Andrew Hussey, establishes an extraordinary degree of hostility towards France itself by its Muslims. Reflections on the Revolution in Europe by Christopher Caldwell establishes how attitudes have in some manner grown more radical through succeeding generations among Europe’s Muslims. He also establishes that European voters never wanted this huge influx. The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray shows Europe being eaten up by hostile attitudes among its citizens, both some immig­rants and the left establishment at universities, with no one to defend Europe’s traditional beliefs.

As we watched anti-Semitic demonstrations in London recently, an English colleague remarked: “Imagine what it’ll be like in 20 years, when the Muslim population is twice as big as now.”

In France, where Muslims may be nearly 10 per cent of the population, they are younger and have a higher birthrate than the host population. They could be 40 per cent of France by 2060.

Islam holds that its mission is to establish a political order in accordance with its teachings. Once the Islamic minority becomes big enough, that becomes a problem.

To settle immigrants successfully, a society should be self-confident, secure in its history, civic identity and ethical culture. Sound like the West at the moment? There are now types of self-loathing in our societies almost beyond parody. The Canadian Human Rights Commission recently argued that having public holidays for Christmas and Easter is discriminatory because other religions’ holiest days don’t have public holidays.

There’s plenty of equivalent nuttiness in Australia. When we hate our own traditions that much, how can we imagine migrants with contrary ideas will fall in love with our nation?
Greg Sheridan





Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 12th, 2023 at 2:16pm
The best way to combat Islamophobia is to keep Islam out of the West.


This clip was titled Europe’s Betrayal Of Women. It was uploaded in January 2016, and removed by YouTube with 384,632 views. It isn’t available anywhere else on the internet, so here it is again. Nothing has changed.


https://twitter.com/patcondell/status/1734279372767412580

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 12th, 2023 at 3:11pm
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia would be for all the Islamophobes to leave Western society, Soren.  Are you willing to volunteer?  To go back to Denmark?  To go back to where you as a recent immigrant belong?  Tsk, tsk, tsk....  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 12th, 2023 at 4:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 3:11pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia would be for all the Islamophobes to leave Western society, Soren.  Are you willing to volunteer?  To go back to Denmark?  To go back to where you as a recent immigrant belong?  Tsk, tsk, tsk....  ::) ::)


And thereby concede their countries to the invading Muslims, heroic man of defence cymbalists.


You, being a spineless apologist for Islamism, never call for Muslims or other immigrants who do not fit in, do not WANT to fit in, who are invading the West illegally, who form separatist ghettos in every large Western city,  to return home and not recreate the Islamic or othe rf third world hellholes they come from.  You always shout Islamophobia louder after every Muslim atrocity in the West, every act of separatism, every act of creating parallel societies with a view to eventual takeover when the demographics finally flip.

You only ever want to get rid of people who side with Australia, with the West, who assimilate and want to uphold the culture and values of countries they have chosen and love - unlike you who is here entirely accidentally and despise Australia. You only ever want to get rid of Danes who advocate for social cohesion, asimilation, respect and love for Australia.

You are despicable little cockwomble. Spineless apologist for Islamism doesn't even begin to describe you.





Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 12th, 2023 at 5:28pm

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 12th, 2023 at 5:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 5:28pm:

Here we go, everybody clap, Bbwian's now asleep.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vTKf5mDSbMc&feature=shared

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Dec 12th, 2023 at 5:40pm

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 2:16pm:
The best way to combat Islamophobia is to keep Islam out of the West.



the west has been in 'Islam' for centuries you dumbarse.  :D :D

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:16pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 2:16pm:
The best way to combat Islamophobia is to keep Islam out of the West.



the west has been in 'Islam' for centuries you dumbarse.  :D :D

Thank you stupid, for that cryptic idiocy.
Garlic? Concrete? Help yourself.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:27pm

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 2:16pm:
The best way to combat Islamophobia is to keep Islam out of the West.



the west has been in 'Islam' for centuries you dumbarse.  :D :D

Thank you stupid, for that cryptic idiocy.
Garlic? Concrete? Help yourself.



You seem to live a life of contradictions sore end

You're an immigrant whose anti migration
You want Islam out of the west but defend the west in Islam
You preach education whist demonstrating a total lack of it.

I'll bet that since you appear anti gay all the time,  you're a closet homo too.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:29pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 2:16pm:
The best way to combat Islamophobia is to keep Islam out of the West.



the west has been in 'Islam' for centuries you dumbarse.  :D :D

Thank you stupid, for that cryptic idiocy.
Garlic? Concrete? Help yourself.



You seem to live a life of contradictions sore end

You're an immigrant whose anti migration
You want Islam out of the west but defend the west in Islam
You preach education whist demonstrating a total lack of it.

I'll bet that since you appear anti gay all the time,  you're a closet homo too.

The West in Islam?? What does that mean in what you call your mind, thicko?


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Dec 12th, 2023 at 9:17pm

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2023 at 2:16pm:
The best way to combat Islamophobia is to keep Islam out of the West.



the west has been in 'Islam' for centuries you dumbarse.  :D :D

Thank you stupid, for that cryptic idiocy.
Garlic? Concrete? Help yourself.



You seem to live a life of contradictions sore end

You're an immigrant whose anti migration
You want Islam out of the west but defend the west in Islam
You preach education whist demonstrating a total lack of it.

I'll bet that since you appear anti gay all the time,  you're a closet homo too.

The West in Islam?? What does that mean in what you call your mind, thicko?


Have you met Bobby? He's another closet poof and an islamaphobe.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 13th, 2023 at 10:35am
They hate women

https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1734698220851167421

https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1733817372585152901

https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1733916164693123494

https://twitter.com/AshleaSimonBF/status/1733818900150661561

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 13th, 2023 at 10:20pm
Ridicule Islam and and its spineless apologists.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 13th, 2023 at 10:22pm
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:44pm
Dutch PM elect
@geertwilderspvv
:

"Islam is evil. The Prophet Muhammad raped a young girl & gave sex slaves as a gift to his henchmen.

"Islam preaches hatred, propagates violence & is barbaric by nature. It's incompatible with freedom. We should de-Islamicise our society."

https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1734579405945458984

Can't say plainer than that.
Not one word out of place.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:56pm
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren, you do enjoy persecuting Muslims, don't you?  You're a good little neo-Nazi, aren't you? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Dec 14th, 2023 at 9:06pm

Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:44pm:
Dutch PM elect
@geertwilderspvv
:

"Islam is evil. The Prophet Muhammad raped a young girl & gave sex slaves as a gift to his henchmen.

"Islam preaches hatred, propagates violence & is barbaric by nature. It's incompatible with freedom. We should de-Islamicise our society."

https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1734579405945458984

Can't say plainer than that.
Not one word out of place.


You should move there.  It would improve the calibre of our immigrants immensely if you did

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 14th, 2023 at 10:43pm
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Yadda on Dec 14th, 2023 at 11:08pm

Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Dutch PM elect
@geertwilderspvv
:

"Islam is evil. The Prophet Muhammad raped a young girl & gave sex slaves as a gift to his henchmen.


"Islam preaches hatred, propagates violence & is barbaric by nature. It's incompatible with freedom.
We should de-Islamicise our society."


https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1734579405945458984

Can't say plainer than that.
Not one word out of place.



At last, a political candidate i could happily vote for.

He just speaks so much common sense.


Yadda said......
The argument for administrative detention, for all 'Aussie' followers of ISLAM
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/1#1





Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 15th, 2023 at 8:17pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 9:06pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:44pm:
Dutch PM elect
@geertwilderspvv
:

"Islam is evil. The Prophet Muhammad raped a young girl & gave sex slaves as a gift to his henchmen.

"Islam preaches hatred, propagates violence & is barbaric by nature. It's incompatible with freedom. We should de-Islamicise our society."

https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1734579405945458984

Can't say plainer than that.
Not one word out of place.


You should move there.  It would improve the calibre of our immigrants immensely if you did


You don't have to move to Holland or Calabria or London or Sydney to say that "Islam preaches hatred, propagates violence & is barbaric by nature. It's incompatible with freedom. We should de-Islamicise our society."

It is a truth universally acknowledged, as Jane Austen said.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 15th, 2023 at 9:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:56pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren, you do enjoy persecuting Muslims, don't you?  You're a good little neo-Nazi, aren't you? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

RING! RING!  RING!  Attaboy, good dog, good dog, Bbwian. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 15th, 2023 at 10:19pm
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren you won't win any prizes for being second, now will you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Dec 20th, 2023 at 8:26am
@daliaziada   is Director of a Middle East think tank and author of a book on Islamists. Listen to her explain to you the core of this Israel vs Hamas war and how it is about something much bigger than a land claim-and how you, in the west, are involved.



https://twitter.com/YasMohammedxx/status/1736885405763445193


6,578 views  19 Dec 2023  Forgotten Feminists
In this very special Yasmine Mohammed Podcast, I will interview an incredibly brave woman named Dalia Ziada: Dalia is one of the most famous political analysts in the Arab world. She had to flee her country in fear for her life because she publicly told the truth about Hamas terrorists. In our conversation, she will explain why the Islamists are the enemy and why Europe and North America should be careful.
Full conversation. Very instructive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--7GUSvR_dE

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 27th, 2024 at 10:34pm
Islam is a flat earth belief why do morally bankrupt leftists defend this idiocy?


Quote:
He spread out the earth He made it flat for it had been created before the heaven but without having been spread out;
https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=79&tAyahNo=30&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2



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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Jan 29th, 2024 at 10:23am
Wipe out Islamism - it started as the Wunderkind of the World - the 'Arab Spring' which promised democratic reform and inclusion for the powerless people with no vote, women, etc..... but soon lapsed into the same old Islamic madness of extremism, violence, murder, brutal oppression of women and minorities, and open warfare between even its own groups over petty religious and countless other differences, even at the village level (sounds like Afghanistan) ....

Once a shithole - always a shithole...

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 4:57pm

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:12am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:56pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren, you do enjoy persecuting Muslims, don't you?  You're a good little neo-Nazi, aren't you? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)



Did you remember to celebrate World Hijab Day on 1 Feb, Bbwian??



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:45pm

Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:56pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren, you do enjoy persecuting Muslims, don't you?  You're a good little neo-Nazi, aren't you? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


Did you remember to celebrate World Hijab Day on 1 Feb, Bbwian??


No, did you, Soren?  Rip one off an innocent Muslim?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Feb 13th, 2024 at 10:12am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:56pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren, you do enjoy persecuting Muslims, don't you?  You're a good little neo-Nazi, aren't you? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


Did you remember to celebrate World Hijab Day on 1 Feb, Bbwian??


No, did you, Soren?  Rip one off an innocent Muslim?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



Oh, this is bettter, no?   
https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1757143351655051371

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by I, Robot on Feb 14th, 2024 at 10:34am
Moslem women have nude calendars of Ned Kelly and his bucket head.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Feb 14th, 2024 at 8:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:45pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:56pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren, you do enjoy persecuting Muslims, don't you?  You're a good little neo-Nazi, aren't you? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


Did you remember to celebrate World Hijab Day on 1 Feb, Bbwian??


No, did you, Soren?  Rip one off an innocent Muslim?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



No Muslim is innocent. You believe the Koran, the hadiths, Mohammed - you are NOT innocent. You are culpable and complicit.



Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Feb 23rd, 2024 at 10:47am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 22nd, 2024 at 11:04pm:
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"Impose British values ​​on Muslims? No, we don't like your culture. Islam is better. We want Sharia, we believe only in Allah”, says Muslim cultural enrichers in UK.

They are the same here, in Europe, North America.
Multiculturalism is a huge con.

https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1760335918777405602





Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Feb 24th, 2024 at 7:23pm

Man has a problem with Gert Wilders' Islamophobia; can't understand Gert's disdain for Islam.; also wonders "what did we do to you?"

:D :D :D

Bbwianesque paki bearded fool.



https://twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1760809790954234366

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Feb 27th, 2024 at 11:19am
Mr Anderson said: "I don't actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they've got control of Khan and they've got control of London, and they've got control of Starmer as well."

He later added: "People are just turning up in their thousands, and doing anything they want, and they are laughing at our police. This stems with Khan, he's actually given our capital city away to his mates."

Mr Anderson had been responding to a Daily Telegraph article by ex-Home Secretary Suella Braverman, in which she said: "The truth is that the Islamists, the extremists and the antisemites are in charge now."


Ms Braverman said Islamists "bullied the Labour Party" over its position on the war in Gaza and that some people on pro-Palestinian marches had links to Islamists.

In a statement released via GB News - who employ the MP as a broadcaster - Mr Anderson said: "When you think you are right you should never apologise because to do so would be a sign of weakness.

"My words may have been clumsy but my words were borne out of sheer frustration at what is happening to our beautiful capital city."

In an interview with the channel, Mr Anderson later said he felt the Conservative Party "could have given me a little bit more backing", after he showed "a little bit of contrition".
BBC

He argued pro-Palestinian protests outside Parliament and threats to MPs showed Mr Khan had "lost control of the city".

He insisted his comments "weren't racist at all" and said he would not apologise to Mr Khan "while I have a breath in my body".

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Feb 28th, 2024 at 11:21am

Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 11:19am:
Mr Anderson said: "I don't actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they've got control of Khan and they've got control of London, and they've got control of Starmer as well."

He later added: "People are just turning up in their thousands, and doing anything they want, and they are laughing at our police. This stems with Khan, he's actually given our capital city away to his mates."

Mr Anderson had been responding to a Daily Telegraph article by ex-Home Secretary Suella Braverman, in which she said: "The truth is that the Islamists, the extremists and the antisemites are in charge now."


Ms Braverman said Islamists "bullied the Labour Party" over its position on the war in Gaza and that some people on pro-Palestinian marches had links to Islamists.

In a statement released via GB News - who employ the MP as a broadcaster - Mr Anderson said: "When you think you are right you should never apologise because to do so would be a sign of weakness.

"My words may have been clumsy but my words were borne out of sheer frustration at what is happening to our beautiful capital city."

In an interview with the channel, Mr Anderson later said he felt the Conservative Party "could have given me a little bit more backing", after he showed "a little bit of contrition".
BBC

He argued pro-Palestinian protests outside Parliament and threats to MPs showed Mr Khan had "lost control of the city".

He insisted his comments "weren't racist at all" and said he would not apologise to Mr Khan "while I have a breath in my body".



https://youtu.be/RetGj-fJmMs?si=P13KCrrNqjd21bnm

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Feb 28th, 2024 at 1:01pm
I remember the resounding condemnation from Muslims worldwide after the planes hit the Twin Towers.

Brian also recalls it as well and it’s the truth, just like his special long sword, bayonets for the Light Horse.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Feb 29th, 2024 at 8:25pm
Muslims can **** off with their claims of superiority until they produce a Marx, Freud, Proust, Kafka, Barenboim, etc, etc.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 29th, 2024 at 9:29pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 1:01pm:
I remember the resounding condemnation from Muslims worldwide after the planes hit the Twin Towers.

Brian also recalls it as well and it’s the truth, just like his special long sword, bayonets for the Light Horse.


The Islamophobes just want to hate Muslims 'cause they are different to what they accept as the, "norm", Eugene.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Bobby. on Feb 29th, 2024 at 10:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 29th, 2024 at 9:29pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 1:01pm:
I remember the resounding condemnation from Muslims worldwide after the planes hit the Twin Towers.

Brian also recalls it as well and it’s the truth, just like his special long sword, bayonets for the Light Horse.


The Islamophobes just want to hate Muslims 'cause they are different to what they accept as the, "norm", Eugene.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



Oh Brian - deary deary me.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 29th, 2024 at 10:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 29th, 2024 at 9:29pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 1:01pm:
I remember the resounding condemnation from Muslims worldwide after the planes hit the Twin Towers.

Brian also recalls it as well and it’s the truth, just like his special long sword, bayonets for the Light Horse.


The Islamophobes just want to hate Muslims 'cause they are different to what they accept as the, "norm", Eugene.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 29th, 2024 at 10:48pm
Richard Dawkins wrote The God Delusion
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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Mar 1st, 2024 at 9:16pm

Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 11:21am:

Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 11:19am:
Mr Anderson said: "I don't actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they've got control of Khan and they've got control of London, and they've got control of Starmer as well."

He later added: "People are just turning up in their thousands, and doing anything they want, and they are laughing at our police. This stems with Khan, he's actually given our capital city away to his mates."

Mr Anderson had been responding to a Daily Telegraph article by ex-Home Secretary Suella Braverman, in which she said: "The truth is that the Islamists, the extremists and the antisemites are in charge now."


Ms Braverman said Islamists "bullied the Labour Party" over its position on the war in Gaza and that some people on pro-Palestinian marches had links to Islamists.

In a statement released via GB News - who employ the MP as a broadcaster - Mr Anderson said: "When you think you are right you should never apologise because to do so would be a sign of weakness.

"My words may have been clumsy but my words were borne out of sheer frustration at what is happening to our beautiful capital city."

In an interview with the channel, Mr Anderson later said he felt the Conservative Party "could have given me a little bit more backing", after he showed "a little bit of contrition".
BBC

He argued pro-Palestinian protests outside Parliament and threats to MPs showed Mr Khan had "lost control of the city".

He insisted his comments "weren't racist at all" and said he would not apologise to Mr Khan "while I have a breath in my body".



https://youtu.be/RetGj-fJmMs?si=P13KCrrNqjd21bnm


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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Mar 3rd, 2024 at 4:14pm
https://youtu.be/I78K3VgE-IQ?si=b4ccDTPNm8qN9P2b


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:22pm
Limit the presence of Islam.



Australia, 2024.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Gnads on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:32pm

Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:22pm:
Limit the presence of Islam.



Australia, 2024.



Makes you sick ... we've let these mindless brainwashed arseholes into our country since 1979 & they breed the same mindless brainwashed arseholes.

Plus the gullible white woke wankers in Universities.

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:41pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:22pm:
Limit the presence of Islam.



Australia, 2024.



Makes you sick ... we've let these mindless brainwashed arseholes into our country since 1979 & they breed the same mindless brainwashed arseholes.

Plus the gullible white woke wankers in Universities.

Universities, government departments, public broadcasters, NGOs, councils, schools - every public body.


A similar genuflection to Judeo-Christianity is unthinkable by these institutions.

Imagine universities, government departments, schools, councils celebrating Holy Week, Pentecost, Yom Kippur, Annunciation, etc.
For these they are strictly secular. For Islam, however, it's ALWAYS the 'holy' month of Ramadan and 'sacred' Islamic - or Aboriginal - this or that.

Sick, stupid, hypochritical.




Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by John Smith on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:47pm

Quote:
Imagine universities, government departments, schools, councils celebrating Holy Week, Pentecost, Yom Kippur, Annunciation, etc.


Good thing they don't celebrate Xmas and Easter,  right dumbarse  :D :D

Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Frank on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:08pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

Quote:
Imagine universities, government departments, schools, councils celebrating Holy Week, Pentecost, Yom Kippur, Annunciation, etc.


Good thing they don't celebrate Xmas and Easter,  right dumbarse  :D :D



Well, they DON'T, thicko. They don't celebrate any of that. Only multiculti and Abo delusions and superstitions.

They NEVER refer to Holy Week or the Holy Bible as they invariably refer to the 'holy' month of Ramadan and the 'holy' Koran and 'sacred' Aboriginal secret women's and men's business.
But as an illiterate concreter, what would YOU know?  Go and sweep, imbecile.


Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 24th, 2024 at 12:33am
This is the belief woke leftist idiots support.

If you call bullshit on the sun prostrating under Allahs throne these dim wits will call you an Islamophobe.


Quote:
Chapter: Characteristic of the sun and the moon

The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All- Knowing."

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3199

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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 29th, 2024 at 10:18pm
Scroll to Chapter 9- https://sunnah.com/muslim/17

Allah allows catured females to be raped he also demands 20% of all war booty

Quote:
And know that anything you obtain of war booty - then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and the orphans, the needy, and the [stranded] traveler, if you have believed in Allah and in that which We sent down to Our Servant on the day of criterion - the day when the two armies met. And Allah , over all things, is competent.
https://legacy.quran.com/8/41



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Title: Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Post by Jasin on Apr 29th, 2024 at 11:01pm
It's International Kill a Moslem Day tomorrow.

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