Rugby Australia has started furiously shifting blame to it's sponsors - including the government. Meanwhile, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce has denied responsibility for the firing, while still publicly maintaining support for it, and admitting he approached RA to ensure they were "not involved in the controversy".

'This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/this-is-bigger-than-israel-folau-ra-chair-opens-fire-20190628-p522d5.html

Mr Clyne said the prospect of a drawn out court battle was a "painful" one for Australian rugby, but the alternative was worse if RA had not acted against Folau's Instagram post in April warning homosexuals, among other groups, were destined for hell.

"[The alternative] would be that we'd have no sponsors at all because no sponsor has indicated they would be willing to be associated with social media posts of that sort and that includes government, because we've also heard from them," he said.

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‘Outrageous’: Qantas boss Alan Joyce responds to explosive Folau allegation

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/outrageous-qantas-boss-alan-joyce-responds-to-explosive-folau-allegation/news-story/d9ad04a6f6debbb268f0faf871ca06b3

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce says claims he was responsible for ordering Israel Folau’s sacking are “outrageous” while comparing the saga to cricket’s ball tampering brouhaha.

Speaking at a media conference on Thursday, Joyce reiterated that the airline was supportive of Rugby Australia’s decision to tear up Folau’s contract.

But he shot down the accusation from former Wallabies coach Alan Jones — and others — that the team’s major sponsor was actively involved in the employment dispute and subsequent contract termination.

“We sponsor organisations and sports teams to get a positive benefit out of it,” Joyce told reporters.

“When it becomes controversial, we, of course, want the sporting code to fix those issues.

“Israel’s comments were terrible for a large element of the community, a vulnerable element of the community.

“We felt that was causing controversy for our sponsorship and as a consequence, we asked Rugby Australia ‘what are you doing to make sure we’re not involved in controversy?’”

“It is their issue to resolve, they have put a solution in place, they’re working through that and we’re very supportive of what they’re doing.

“The same was true of Cricket Australia with the ball tampering, we said ‘that was not good.’ “Some sponsors pulled out, we didn’t.

“We gave them time to fix it, and they fixed it.

“We’re still a sponsor and continue to be a sponsor because they did the right thing.”

Joyce also joked that Jones was welcome to continue flying with Qantas.

“We don’t discriminate against anybody — other people may, but we don’t,” he laughed.

“Even Alan Jones is welcome to get Lifetime Platinum Status if he gets there.”

everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal....

just my opinion. ::)


This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire


ABSOLUTELY!

No one wants to own it now, although they were pretty vocal in creating this media storm

Folau simply paraphrased the Bible

so if anyone of the major mouths object, why are they so reticient when it comes to Folau's spiritual authority?

Too obvious?  If they attacked Christianity face-on, they'd be done

so they attack Christianty from the side, citing Folau and not the Bible as 'wrong'

That's what's going on here and no one is game to say it apart from the voting and donating public

You bet its bigger than Israel folau, its about our right to express our opinion in a peaceful way without getting attacked and censored and fired from your job.

Israel folau like anyone of us is entitled to his opinion, censoring him means we are all censored from our opinion.

If you look at what he said, really it includes all of us, look at the list.

Why was it the poofta brigade that nailed him, have they become a sacrosanct mob where any word against them means you'll lose your job.

The fact that he got $2 mill in acouple of days means aussies are sick of pooftas shoving their PC down our throats.

https://i.ibb.co/0mBqW44/PFTRSRULE.jpg

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:19am:

No one wants to own it now, although they were pretty vocal in creating this media storm Folau simply paraphrased the Bible so if anyone of the major mouths object, why are they so reticient when it comes to Folau's spiritual authority? Too obvious?  If they attacked Christianity face-on, they'd be done so they attack Christianty from the side, citing Folau and not the Bible as 'wrong' That's what's going on here and no one is game to say it apart from the voting and donating public

The End Times are here now.


Jesus will fix them up.


Rev 19      KJV


13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:
and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.

These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:19am:

No one wants to own it now, although they were pretty vocal in creating this media storm Folau simply paraphrased the Bible so if anyone of the major mouths object, why are they so reticient when it comes to Folau's spiritual authority? Too obvious?  If they attacked Christianity face-on, they'd be done so they attack Christianty from the side, citing Folau and not the Bible as 'wrong' That's what's going on here and no one is game to say it apart from the voting and donating public

you seriously believe that?


if it was that simple it would have been settled by now...

do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL.....


would  you accept it is fine for a follower of ISLAM to post freely

  all those who do not follow ISLAM will go to HELL..?.


would you be annoyed to read that and chastise him./her for daring to judge you?....

something tells me the boot would be on the other foot.and you would think it ok to speak up...



the Bible has many interpretations on exactly what was meant.... how many times have you written something only to say thats not what I meant when I wrote that....we do it all the time...

you take something out of context it takes on a whole different meaning...

I wouldnt be so arrogant to tell the world what I believe the Bibles meaning are all about.....certainly as a Christian  I hope I wouldnt set on special groups to humiliate them

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do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL.....

Of course they have that right cods.

Do you think they don't?

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.

no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think...

perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon...

sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end...

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:19am:

No one wants to own it now, although they were pretty vocal in creating this media storm Folau simply paraphrased the Bible so if anyone of the major mouths object, why are they so reticient when it comes to Folau's spiritual authority? Too obvious?  If they attacked Christianity face-on, they'd be done so they attack Christianty from the side, citing Folau and not the Bible as 'wrong' That's what's going on here and no one is game to say it apart from the voting and donating public

x2......................... 8-)

Pooftas given a half a chance would burn every bible and all the churches too.

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:36am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end...

I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off.

His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.

I wonder how many people applied for jobs with Qantas but never got the job becsuse they were not gay

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:35am:

Quote: do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL..... Of course they have that right cods. Do you think they don't?

no I dont think that!  he is a high profile athlete 

if he can INSULT whoever he chooses   then we all can in public..

we are talking about our society and how  it should behave! WE ALL should behave..

as RU said THIS IS BIGGER THAN ISRAEL....

this is about saying what you think about other groups in cyberspace......if there is no control.... can you imagine what will happen??????

this imo

is like removing the traffic lights.....

they are a RULING that prevents chaos..

it wont work without them.

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if he can INSULT whoever he chooses   then we all can in public..

We all have the right to publicly express our view on who is going to hell Cods.

Do you live in Australia?

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:35am:

Quote: do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL..... Of course they have that right cods. Do you think they don't?

And as has been pointed out to non-Christian Cods repeatedly, Folau's comment included,

'unless they repent and turn their face to God'

Cods wants to pretend she hasn't been advised of that, for some reason

Folau was citing his holy book, the Bible, from whence his comments came

Folau was NOT personally condemning anyone, as he has repeatedly said

Folau was citing the authority of his God as cited in his holy book, the Bible

Jews cite THEIR holy books when they claim gentiles were created to be slaves for the jews

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT?

Muslims cite THEIR holy books --- and WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT?


So clearly, this is an anti-Christian beat-up being pushed by the 96% owned and controlled mass media and powerful and influential others

AND AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN

yes

AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN FROM ITS POCKET

Good on you, Aussies   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.

    he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women.....

if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.????

come on fd...

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd...

That list includes 99% of the population.

Why are we stuck on the homosexual rung.

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.

Of course he's 'denied' pulling strings to get Folau fired, but as one of their biggest sponsors there is no doubt he (Qantas) was more than happy to do so.........why.....well could it be Alan Joyces sexual preference.....? :-/

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd...

That's what Joyce is choosing to hide behind now he's been rumbled and publicly called out

and he thinks we're too stupid to work him out


Anyway, the answer to that is --- NO MORE corporate sponsorships !

We all know that He who pays the piper calls the tune

So no more paying the piper

No more corporate money in sports

take it back to grass roots support

which will mean no more insane pay for what are guys who kick a ball around or for any other sports person

When corporations can't use money/sponsorship as a whip-hand, it will mean an end to sponge administrators and the obscene levels of corruption in sports

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd...

I agree with you. I think he did pull strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired. I think he admitted to this in the article. But he also denied doing so - double speak, on behalf of Qantas.

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:47am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:35am: Quote: do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL..... Of course they have that right cods. Do you think they don't? And as has been pointed out to non-Christian Cods repeatedly, Folau's comment included, 'unless they repent and turn their face to God' Cods wants to pretend she hasn't been advised of that, for some reason Folau was citing his holy book, the Bible, from whence his comments came Folau was NOT personally condemning anyone, as he has repeatedly said Folau was citing the authority of his God as cited in his holy book, the Bible Jews cite THEIR holy books when they claim gentiles were created to be slaves for the jews WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT? Muslims cite THEIR holy books --- and WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT? So clearly, this is an anti-Christian beat-up being pushed by the 96% owned and controlled mass media and powerful and influential others AND AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN yes AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN FROM ITS POCKET Good on you, Aussies   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Whether or not he is "correct" on Christian doctrine is irrelevant. It is his view on his religion and he has the right to express it. The church has no more right to dictate what people can say than Qantas and the homofascism lobby.

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:47am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:35am: Quote: do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL..... Of course they have that right cods. Do you think they don't? And as has been pointed out to non-Christian Cods repeatedly, Folau's comment included, 'unless they repent and turn their face to God' Cods wants to pretend she hasn't been advised of that, for some reason Folau was citing his holy book, the Bible, from whence his comments came Folau was NOT personally condemning anyone, as he has repeatedly said Folau was citing the authority of his God as cited in his holy book, the Bible Jews cite THEIR holy books when they claim gentiles were created to be slaves for the jews WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT? Muslims cite THEIR holy books --- and WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT? So clearly, this is an anti-Christian beat-up being pushed by the 96% owned and controlled mass media and powerful and influential others AND AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN yes AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN FROM ITS POCKET Good on you, Aussies   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

you said it yourself pz  its Christian bashing... ::) ::) ::)

I dont give a stuff what he believes in and what he says.....

but if I asked him and got him to sign a contract that said he wouldnt plaster his beliefs on the internet.....

and he went ahead anyway... I would be more than angry...

I dont care what he believes the bible says...I am not religious in any way or form....

I dont believe any god would send anyone to HELL either... lets say my god... if I have one.. :)


mate folau  was paid millions to do that he signed a contract...

forget about the content of his comments....ask about the contract he signed......  all those who donated want his contract reinstated so he can go back to playing for Australia and get more millions and keep posting on instagram......

is that what you want for every aussie who signs a contract????.......they change their minds so lets get it torn up.... ::) ::)

I trust you get your monies worth pz..I am sure Folau's QC will love every penny.

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

Whether or not he is "correct" on Christian doctrine is irrelevant. It is his view on his religion and he has the right to express it. The church has no more right to dictate what people can say than Qantas and the homofascism lobby.

Well FD I thought I would never see the day but there it is, well said...... ;)

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:56am:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd... I agree with you. I think he did pull strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired. I think he admitted to this in the article. But he also denied doing so - double speak, on behalf of Qantas.

well maybe that wasnt his intention....seriously do you think this would have gone to arbitration and get thrown out if it could be proved it was joyce who wanted him sacked .... ::) ::) I dont think the RU would humiliate their top sponsor like that...

they would have given in...

fd you seem to have it in for Joyce maybe he wont let you into his lounge room... ::) ::) dont forget   you are reading what he  has said.... ::) ::).. it isnt always reported as so..

Cods, in God's eyes, we're all found wanting

Not our fault.  We're the result of our genes and environment, etc.

Most of us do our best and I'm confident God's appreciative of that

Personally, I don't think any half reasonable god could pass judgement on someone who, for whatever reason and there are many, is born with an inherent preference for the same sex

Sex is a powerful drive and if someone is attracted basically from birth to the same sex, then of course they're going to have same-sex relationships -- and I'm sure most Aussies understand that

Folau was citing his holy book, the Bible.  He's a relatively new convert and as they say, there's nothing to match the zeal of the new convert.  Later, they mellow

It's my suspicion that Folau, as a new convert and or born-again, believed with all his might that it was his spiritual duty to speak his God's word. And he did so originally, to my understanding, inside his church

Maybe the media, to distract from other happenings they'd rather we didn't dwell upon, had a mole in that church specifically to create pandemonium re: Folau

So Folau was challenged and on his Facebook, he responded to someone who asked him if God would sanction homosexuality -- something along those lines.  According to Folau, he took the person as genuine and tried to provide good advice drawn from the Bible, saying that adulterers, idolators, homosexuals, liars, etc. must repent before God and turn their face to God.  From that, I drew that God is eternally wishing to forgive us our transgressions and in return for being welcome in God's Heaven, all we need do is repent and turn our face to God,meaning imo, turn to God rather than to spiritually unhealthy practices such as, lying, stealing, committing adultery, etc.

but it was blown out of proportion by the media and was portrayed as if Folau himself was personally passing judgement and condemning adulterers, liars, homosexuals, thieves, etc.

So Folau, rather than God's book, was under fire.  And no matter how many times he patiently explained that at personal level he passes no judgement on those whom the Bible portrays as sinners

and it's escalated, with every man and his dog having an opinion abotu Folau the man

I can't see that someone with so much to lose financially and career-wise would challenge the ruling of those who sacked him, unless he believes -- mistakenly or not -- that he's right in principle

He may not be right.  In law, those who sacked him might be found to have no case to answer.  And Folau might well be required to pay very substantial damages and costs

Personally, I think it's been blown way out of proportion and it's the media to blame.  They've profited very nicely from the back and forth of the matter

If I were Folau, I would thank my God for my good fortune in being a fine athlete and for the money which that has provided me.  I'd buy a comfortable home for my family and take time out to grow veggies or something.  Then later, when the smoke's cleared, I might buy a business to earn my keep while I pursued my interests, religious or other

He's done well for himself.  Sports people have a limited career window.  If he lost the case, he could still retain an interest in sport playing for a country club or coaching, whatever


I think the reason people have taken this entire thing on their shoulders is because they've sat by patiently for a long time as their culture, their beliefs, values and religion have been forced to take a back seat while others have been promoted

so it's a delayed fight-back on the part of Mr and Mrs Average.  And it seems it wasn't expected and has taken certain others by shock.  They didnt' suspect Aussies had it in them and thought Aussies would take it lying down

Funny how a footy related stoush should launch the fight-back when mass migration and mosques all over the place and the attendant moslems' vehicles blocking Aussie driveways did not

reminds me of the adage, 'Tread quietly and carry a big stick'


in other words, Folau may be a convenient catalyst created by himself, perhaps, or other power groups

Maybe people will stop flying Quantas and send a message to the head fart sniffing lying piece of garbage.

Of course joyce was behind it all. Where else would it come from?
It is so good to see this blow up in their face.

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:16am:

everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal.... just my opinion. ::) This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire ABSOLUTELY!

How is this an attack on gays?  Saying that in his view they would go to hell should give them a good laugh - then move on - but no, the precious ones must make a big to-do about it.

What about the constant attacks by gays on others who don't agree with their lifestyle - this being a perfect example?   8-)

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.

Gay logic....

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 11:53am:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:16am: everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal.... just my opinion. ::) This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire ABSOLUTELY! How is this an attack on gays?  Saying that in his view they would go to hell should give them a good laugh - then move on - but no, the precious ones must make a big to-do about it. What about the constant attacks by gays on others who don't agree with their lifestyle - this being a perfect example?   8-)

gays and their attendant ilk are a miniscule percent of any population

which is vastly overrepresented in the media, in movies, on tv, etc

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 11:56am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. Gay logic....

he represents a very powerful 'lobby'

as such, he believes -- with reason -- that he's untouchable

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 11:53am:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:16am: everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal.... just my opinion. ::) This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire ABSOLUTELY! How is this an attack on gays?  Saying that in his view they would go to hell should give them a good laugh - then move on - but no, the precious ones must make a big to-do about it. What about the constant attacks by gays on others who don't agree with their lifestyle - this being a perfect example?   8-)

Don't really think this makes any sense since gay's like everyone else don't all have the same lifestyle.

Spot

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 11:45am:

Maybe people will stop flying Quantas and send a message to the head fart sniffing lying piece of garbage. Of course joyce was behind it all. Where else would it come from? It is so good to see this blow up in their face.

Already done.  Will not support this airline. Same as no longer supporting the AFL and any number of businesses who have deliberately over stepped their role in society.

Sick of being lectured to by self appointed righteous virtue signalling numpties.

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd...

Sponsorship is in order to have your company name out there for public viewing - advertising pure and simple.  This storm in a teacup should have been let go - now it has become a rallying point for those sick of PC rubbish being pushed on them endlessly.

If dopey Joyce wants to throw his weight around - by all means withdraw your paid advertising on Wallaby jumpers - let someone else in .... but your advertising doesn't give you any right to dictate.

I know what I do with ultimatums....  8-)

I apologise for Izzy not including paedos in his abbreviated list....  8-)

Rider wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:02pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:45am: Maybe people will stop flying Quantas and send a message to the head fart sniffing lying piece of garbage. Of course joyce was behind it all. Where else would it come from? It is so good to see this blow up in their face. Already done.  Will not support this airline. Same as no longer supporting the AFL and any number of businesses who have deliberately over stepped their role in society. Sick of being lectured to by self appointed righteous virtue signalling numpties.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:53am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:16am: everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal.... just my opinion. ::) This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire ABSOLUTELY! How is this an attack on gays?  Saying that in his view they would go to hell should give them a good laugh - then move on - but no, the precious ones must make a big to-do about it. What about the constant attacks by gays on others who don't agree with their lifestyle - this being a perfect example?   8-) Don't really think this makes any sense since gay's like everyone else don't all have the same lifestyle. Spot

They have a generalised and over-arching lifestyle choice of gayism as opposed to heterosexuality... simple really.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:02pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd... Sponsorship is in order to have your company name out there for public viewing - advertising pure and simple.  This storm in a teacup should have been let go - now it has become a rallying point for those sick of PC rubbish being pushed on them endlessly. If dopey Joyce wants to throw his weight around - by all means withdraw your paid advertising on Wallaby jumpers - let someone else in .... but your advertising doesn't give you any right to dictate. I know what I do with ultimatums....  8-)

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Many have asked -- although there have been few responses -- how this became a gay issue?


Where are those championing adultery, for instance?

Where are those taking up arms in defence of idolators, liars, murderers and all the others who were itemised by Folau as nominated in the Bible ?

No one taking offence on their behalf?

why?

Folau didn't single out gays, he was simply citing and paraphrasing something from the Bible

but all we seem to hear about is 'gays'

as usual

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:47am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:35am: Quote: do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL..... Of course they have that right cods. Do you think they don't? And as has been pointed out to non-Christian Cods repeatedly, Folau's comment included, 'unless they repent and turn their face to God' Cods wants to pretend she hasn't been advised of that, for some reason Folau was citing his holy book, the Bible, from whence his comments came Folau was NOT personally condemning anyone, as he has repeatedly said Folau was citing the authority of his God as cited in his holy book, the Bible Jews cite THEIR holy books when they claim gentiles were created to be slaves for the jews WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT? Muslims cite THEIR holy books --- and WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT? So clearly, this is an anti-Christian beat-up being pushed by the 96% owned and controlled mass media and powerful and influential others AND AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN yes AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN FROM ITS POCKET Good on you, Aussies   [smiley=thumbsup.gif] you said it yourself pz  its Christian bashing... ::) ::) ::) I dont give a stuff what he believes in and what he says..... but if I asked him and got him to sign a contract that said he wouldnt plaster his beliefs on the internet..... and he went ahead anyway... I would be more than angry... I dont care what he believes the bible says...I am not religious in any way or form.... I dont believe any god would send anyone to HELL either... lets say my god... if I have one.. :) mate folau  was paid millions to do that he signed a contract... forget about the content of his comments....ask about the contract he signed......  all those who donated want his contract reinstated so he can go back to playing for Australia and get more millions and keep posting on instagram...... is that what you want for every aussie who signs a contract????.......they change their minds so lets get it torn up.... ::) ::) I trust you get your monies worth pz..I am sure Folau's QC will love every penny.

What cods said ^^^^^^^.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:02pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd... Sponsorship is in order to have your company name out there for public viewing - advertising pure and simple.  This storm in a teacup should have been let go - now it has become a rallying point for those sick of PC rubbish being pushed on them endlessly. If dopey Joyce wants to throw his weight around - by all means withdraw your paid advertising on Wallaby jumpers - let someone else in .... but your advertising doesn't give you any right to dictate. I know what I do with ultimatums....  8-) I apologise for Izzy not including paedos in his abbreviated list....  8-)

some of us would appreciate him puting GRUMPY OLD MEN on his list... :)

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:07pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:59am: PZ547 wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:47am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:35am: Quote: do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL..... Of course they have that right cods. Do you think they don't? And as has been pointed out to non-Christian Cods repeatedly, Folau's comment included, 'unless they repent and turn their face to God' Cods wants to pretend she hasn't been advised of that, for some reason Folau was citing his holy book, the Bible, from whence his comments came Folau was NOT personally condemning anyone, as he has repeatedly said Folau was citing the authority of his God as cited in his holy book, the Bible Jews cite THEIR holy books when they claim gentiles were created to be slaves for the jews WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT? Muslims cite THEIR holy books --- and WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT? So clearly, this is an anti-Christian beat-up being pushed by the 96% owned and controlled mass media and powerful and influential others AND AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN yes AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN FROM ITS POCKET Good on you, Aussies   [smiley=thumbsup.gif] you said it yourself pz  its Christian bashing... ::) ::) ::) I dont give a stuff what he believes in and what he says..... but if I asked him and got him to sign a contract that said he wouldnt plaster his beliefs on the internet..... and he went ahead anyway... I would be more than angry... I dont care what he believes the bible says...I am not religious in any way or form.... I dont believe any god would send anyone to HELL either... lets say my god... if I have one.. :) mate folau  was paid millions to do that he signed a contract... forget about the content of his comments....ask about the contract he signed......  all those who donated want his contract reinstated so he can go back to playing for Australia and get more millions and keep posting on instagram...... is that what you want for every aussie who signs a contract????.......they change their minds so lets get it torn up.... ::) ::) I trust you get your monies worth pz..I am sure Folau's QC will love every penny. What cods said ^^^^^^^.

trust you, greg

can't stop stirring to save yourself

but one day you'll be sweating in order to save yourself

and that gets closer with every minute


Now go read my response to Cods -- all very civil and considered

and stop picking your nose, you'll get sepsis

As for the Thread Title...I see no blaming of the Government.  I see that RA says it was contacted by Government.  How is that a 'blaming?'

As for Joyce.  It is possible for both statements to stand consistently.  That is...."QANTAS expressed concern.  We did not ask that Folau be sacked."

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:07pm:

. Many have asked -- although there have been few responses -- how this became a gay issue? Where are those championing adultery, for instance? Where are those taking up arms in defence of idolators, liars, murderers and all the others who were itemised by Folau as nominated in the Bible ? No one taking offence on their behalf? why? Folau didn't single out gays, he was simply citing and paraphrasing something from the Bible but all we seem to hear about is 'gays' as usual

its mainly on this forum  and probably others pz.....we have a few who are afraid of homosexuals   for reasons known only to themselves...

to me they are a pretty harmless group....

they dont want to change the English language to suit them.. or win womens gold medals in sport... ::) ::)

why Israel singled out that group you would need to ask him...

the rest could be anyone of us.... ::) ::) ::)


ask yourself   who did he leave off and WHY...

paedos trannies...are these not sinners?...if you are calling all LIARS to repent...omg...where would you start? ::) ::)

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:10pm:

As for the Thread Title...I see no blaming of the Government.  I see that RA satys it was contacted by Government.  How is that a 'blaming?' As for Joyce.  It is possible for both statements to stand consistently.  That is...."QANTAS expressed concern.  We did not ask that Folau be sacked."

So tell me --- and no hedging

did qantas express concern for liars, adulterers, idolators and all those contained within Folau's actually FEW comments ?

I wanna know


does Qantas take umbrage on behalf of thieves, those who commit adultery, who lie, who bear false witness or any of the other transgressors in Folau's comments which were drawn from the Bible?

Is Qantas a supporter of liars and adulterers, etc.?

the paying public NEEDS to know

How come Joyce didn't mention the other transgressors ?

Get onto it.  Find out.  Get back to us pronto

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:13pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 12:07pm: . Many have asked -- although there have been few responses -- how this became a gay issue? Where are those championing adultery, for instance? Where are those taking up arms in defence of idolators, liars, murderers and all the others who were itemised by Folau as nominated in the Bible ? No one taking offence on their behalf? why? Folau didn't single out gays, he was simply citing and paraphrasing something from the Bible but all we seem to hear about is 'gays' as usual its mainly on this forum  and probably others pz.....we have a few who are afraid of homosexuals   for reasons known only to themselves... to me they are a pretty harmless group.... they dont want to change the English language to suit them.. or win womens gold medals in sport... ::) ::) why Israel singled out that group you would need to ask him... the rest could be anyone of us.... ::) ::) ::) ask yourself   who did he leave off and WHY... paedos trannies...are these not sinners?...if you are calling all LIARS to repent...omg...where would you start? ::) ::)

He didn't - he threw them in with all the other endangered by god species..... though he didn't have the space for a totally inclusive group....

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:15pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 12:13pm: PZ547 wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 12:07pm: . Many have asked -- although there have been few responses -- how this became a gay issue? Where are those championing adultery, for instance? Where are those taking up arms in defence of idolators, liars, murderers and all the others who were itemised by Folau as nominated in the Bible ? No one taking offence on their behalf? why? Folau didn't single out gays, he was simply citing and paraphrasing something from the Bible but all we seem to hear about is 'gays' as usual its mainly on this forum  and probably others pz.....we have a few who are afraid of homosexuals   for reasons known only to themselves... to me they are a pretty harmless group.... they dont want to change the English language to suit them.. or win womens gold medals in sport... ::) ::) why Israel singled out that group you would need to ask him... the rest could be anyone of us.... ::) ::) ::) ask yourself   who did he leave off and WHY... paedos trannies...are these not sinners?...if you are calling all LIARS to repent...omg...where would you start? ::) ::) He didn't - he threw them in with all the other endangered by god species..... though he didn't have the space for a totally inclusive group....

he could have squeezed in GRUMPY OLD MEN<>

Folau did NOT place a focus on gays

So WHO DID ?

This was NOT about freaking gays


Why is it being portrayed as an 'attack on gays', then?

And NO ONE wants to clarify

Seems they WANT to focus on gays

as usual

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 12:10pm: As for the Thread Title...I see no blaming of the Government.  I see that RA satys it was contacted by Government.  How is that a 'blaming?' As for Joyce.  It is possible for both statements to stand consistently.  That is...."QANTAS expressed concern.  We did not ask that Folau be sacked." So tell me --- and no hedging did qantas express concern for liars, adulterers, idolators and all those contained within Folau's actually FEW comments ? I wanna know does Qantas take umbrage on behalf of thieves, those who commit adultery, who lie, who bear false witness or any of the other transgressors in Folau's comments which were drawn from the Bible? Is Qantas a supporter of liars and adulterers, etc.? the paying public NEEDS to know How come Joyce didn't mention the other transgressors ? Get onto it.  Find out.  Get back to us pronto

pz  am not sure Joyce mentioned any group... I think he was distancing Qantas from the lot.....

who are we to JUDGE who will go and not go to HELL...

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:16pm:

Folau did NOT place a focus on gays So WHO DID ? This was NOT about freaking gays Why is it being portrayed as an 'attack on gays', then? And NO ONE wants to clarify Seems they WANT to focus on gays as usual

thats not true!!

  read reply 41 the top line...

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:19pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 12:14pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 12:10pm: As for the Thread Title...I see no blaming of the Government.  I see that RA satys it was contacted by Government.  How is that a 'blaming?' As for Joyce.  It is possible for both statements to stand consistently.  That is...."QANTAS expressed concern.  We did not ask that Folau be sacked." So tell me --- and no hedging did qantas express concern for liars, adulterers, idolators and all those contained within Folau's actually FEW comments ? I wanna know does Qantas take umbrage on behalf of thieves, those who commit adultery, who lie, who bear false witness or any of the other transgressors in Folau's comments which were drawn from the Bible? Is Qantas a supporter of liars and adulterers, etc.? the paying public NEEDS to know How come Joyce didn't mention the other transgressors ? Get onto it.  Find out.  Get back to us pronto pz  am not sure Joyce mentioned any group... I think he was distancing Qantas from the lot..... who are we to JUDGE who will go and not go to HELL...

We do not get to judge those who might go to Heaven or Hell

God is the ultimate judge and I believe in a forgiving God

I have no time for any god who's believed to have 'favourites' any more than I'd have time for a parent who boasted about having a favourite child

God is far more sophisticated than he's portrayed in any of the religious books

God isn't a mere 'person'.  He's the ultimate source of all that exists.  As such, the intelligence must be beyond understanding, as God is said to be.  Beyond our primitive grasp.  So we reduce Him/Her to suit our needs and biases

if someone is born with a preference for the same sex, does anyone actually believe God would reject them?  How small and limited must they imagine God to be if they think he gives a damn what our poor race does with its genitals !

Folau was not judging and he's done and said everything possible for that to be understood

yet still some persist in turning this into a gay issue when it is not, was never intended to be and should not be

but those pushing the gay agenda have seized upon it to Folau AND God's detriment and once again to play 'victim'

Folau has stated umpteen times that he's as fallible as anyone else if the Bible were to be cited.  He used to drink.  He is saddled with tribal tattoos.  All in his past.  He's just a young man who's turned wholeheartedly to religion and believes it to be his duty to preach God's word as are contained within the Bible

Folau is being used as a whipping boy by a very powerful group who have repeatedly taken Folau's comments out of context whilst ignoring that he added, ' [i]must repent and turn to God'

the latter is a very important part of Christian teaching.  Christianity, particularly the New Testament, is ALl about forgiveness, about a loving and forgiving God

would that ALL of us were as forgiving and understanding as the New Testament God

If I borrowed your car and destroyed it, how grateful would I be if -- after I'd apologised -- you said, 'That's ok.  Accidents happen'


If you broke into my home and destroyed things precious to me, how terrific a person would I be if --- when you apologised -- said to you, ' I'm glad you apologised and hope you mean it to the extent you never break into anyone's home again. I forgive you'


That's what Folau said --- God will forgive anything if we apologise and from then on, turn to God -- in short, try to follow God's commandments and turn our back on our previous behaviours, e.g., adultery, lying, bearing false witness, rooting ten guys a night in a nightclub toilet


God wants us to find peace in Heaven. He doesn't want us to suffer away from Heaven.  He doesn't want us to be cast into the cold for eternity.  So he tells us, repent your past and in future try to live in a good way

that's not asking much in return for eternal salvation and escape from torment


And Folau was simply explaining this as a lay person who derived his comments from the Bible


it concerns all of us, every one of us, including but not specific to gays


As for Joyce, he's damaged the brand and despite that he's backed by a powerful gang, it wouldn't surprise me to see him out the door when enough time's gone by so that it can't be seen as chastisement for his inordinate involvement in this matter

no amount of excuses or rationalisation will sway public opinion in Joyce's favour.  He's damaged the brand, thus costing Qantas money.  And money is god to some.  They'll have chewed off his ear now this has backfired as evidenced by the money donated to Folau.  Qantas will now have to back peddle like mad in an effort to mollify the public and sounds as if Joyce has already been told to do just that.  It's not working

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 12:10pm: As for the Thread Title...I see no blaming of the Government.  I see that RA satys it was contacted by Government.  How is that a 'blaming?' As for Joyce.  It is possible for both statements to stand consistently.  That is...."QANTAS expressed concern.  We did not ask that Folau be sacked." So tell me --- and no hedging did qantas express concern for liars, adulterers, idolators and all those contained within Folau's actually FEW comments ? I wanna know does Qantas take umbrage on behalf of thieves, those who commit adultery, who lie, who bear false witness or any of the other transgressors in Folau's comments which were drawn from the Bible? Is Qantas a supporter of liars and adulterers, etc.? the paying public NEEDS to know How come Joyce didn't mention the other transgressors ? Get onto it.  Find out.  Get back to us pronto

You can read, yes...Alphabet Numbers?


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“When it becomes controversial, we, of course, want the sporting code to fix those issues. “Israel’s comments were terrible for a large element of the community, a vulnerable element of the community. “We felt that was causing controversy for our sponsorship and as a consequence, we asked Rugby Australia ‘what are you doing to make sure we’re not involved in controversy?’” “It is their issue to resolve, they have put a solution in place, they’re working through that and we’re very supportive of what they’re doing.

The best thing this has done

Is to start the move to put the 3% mentally ill back in their place

By making such a big fuss over nothing to try and play the victim card again

The gay community have set their cause back 10 years

And rightly so, hopefully it will continue and we can wipe this sickness from our midst altogether.

.. first he gives man instinct... then he sets the rules in opposition.... look - but don't touch... touch, but don't taste ..... taste but don't swallow..... and while you're down here jumping around from foot to foot, he's up there laughing his sick farken head off...

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:59am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:53am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:16am: everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal.... just my opinion. ::) This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire ABSOLUTELY! How is this an attack on gays?  Saying that in his view they would go to hell should give them a good laugh - then move on - but no, the precious ones must make a big to-do about it. What about the constant attacks by gays on others who don't agree with their lifestyle - this being a perfect example?   8-) Don't really think this makes any sense since gay's like everyone else don't all have the same lifestyle. Spot They have a generalised and over-arching lifestyle choice of gayism as opposed to heterosexuality... simple really.

You think k bei g gay is a lifestyle? How? I know several gay ppl and they all have different lifestyles. I think you are confusing sexual orientation with something else.

Spot

:'( :-X
PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:07pm:

. Many have asked -- although there have been few responses -- how this became a gay issue? Where are those championing adultery, for instance? Where are those taking up arms in defence of idolators, liars, murderers and all the others who were itemised by Folau as nominated in the Bible ? No one taking offence on their behalf? why? Folau didn't single out gays, he was simply citing and paraphrasing something from the Bible but all we seem to hear about is 'gays' as usual

Well for one thing g he is categorising gay's with thieves and murderers

Spot

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:13am:

Rugby Australia has started furiously shifting blame to it's sponsors - including the government. Meanwhile, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce has denied responsibility for the firing, while still publicly maintaining support for it, and admitting he approached RA to ensure they were "not involved in the controversy". 'This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/this-is-bigger-than-israel-folau-ra-chair-opens-fire-20190628-p522d5.html Mr Clyne said the prospect of a drawn out court battle was a "painful" one for Australian rugby, but the alternative was worse if RA had not acted against Folau's Instagram post in April warning homosexuals, among other groups, were destined for hell. "[The alternative] would be that we'd have no sponsors at all because no sponsor has indicated they would be willing to be associated with social media posts of that sort and that includes government, because we've also heard from them," he said. ‘Outrageous’: Qantas boss Alan Joyce responds to explosive Folau allegation https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/outrageous-qantas-boss-alan-joyce-responds-to-explosive-folau-allegation/news-story/d9ad04a6f6debbb268f0faf871ca06b3 Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce says claims he was responsible for ordering Israel Folau’s sacking are “outrageous” while comparing the saga to cricket’s ball tampering brouhaha. Speaking at a media conference on Thursday, Joyce reiterated that the airline was supportive of Rugby Australia’s decision to tear up Folau’s contract. But he shot down the accusation from former Wallabies coach Alan Jones — and others — that the team’s major sponsor was actively involved in the employment dispute and subsequent contract termination. “We sponsor organisations and sports teams to get a positive benefit out of it,” Joyce told reporters. “When it becomes controversial, we, of course, want the sporting code to fix those issues. “Israel’s comments were terrible for a large element of the community, a vulnerable element of the community. “We felt that was causing controversy for our sponsorship and as a consequence, we asked Rugby Australia ‘what are you doing to make sure we’re not involved in controversy?’” “It is their issue to resolve, they have put a solution in place, they’re working through that and we’re very supportive of what they’re doing. “The same was true of Cricket Australia with the ball tampering, we said ‘that was not good.’ “Some sponsors pulled out, we didn’t. “We gave them time to fix it, and they fixed it. “We’re still a sponsor and continue to be a sponsor because they did the right thing.” Joyce also joked that Jones was welcome to continue flying with Qantas. “We don’t discriminate against anybody — other people may, but we don’t,” he laughed. “Even Alan Jones is welcome to get Lifetime Platinum Status if he gets there.”

Alan Joyce is a liar.... he is as involved in Israels sacking as the ANZ are with trying to take action against his wife through Netball NZ.

Corporate power and infuence in sport pushed by CEO and executive personal agendas and powered by their out of control diversity units needs a large handbrake on it.

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:16am:

everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal.... just my opinion. ::) This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire ABSOLUTELY!

What attacks on gays? Thats ruubbish.

Folau didnt attack them he merely stated his religious beliefs regarding several types of sinners that he belives will go to hell. Homosexuals were on the list.

The majority of personal verbal attacks have been toward Folau firstly and now his wife has been gutlessly targetted.

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd...

Did Folau ever mention Alan Joyce or Qantas?

Alan Joyce is a twisty little grub.

Gnads wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:12pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd... Did Folau ever mention Alan Joyce or Qantas? Alan Joyce is a twisty little grub.

x6 

Gnads wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:06pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:16am: everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal.... just my opinion. ::) This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire ABSOLUTELY! What attacks on gays? Thats ruubbish. Folau didnt attack them he merely stated his religious beliefs regarding several types of sinners that he belives will go to hell. Homosexuals were on the list. The majority of personal verbal attacks have been toward Folau firstly and now his wife has been gutlessly targetted.

Oh yes he did Gonads.

Watch and read:

Link.

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:35pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:06pm: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:16am: everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal.... just my opinion. ::) This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire ABSOLUTELY! What attacks on gays? Thats ruubbish. Folau didnt attack them he merely stated his religious beliefs regarding several types of sinners that he belives will go to hell. Homosexuals were on the list. The majority of personal verbal attacks have been toward Folau firstly and now his wife has been gutlessly targetted. Oh yes he did Gonads. Watch and read: Link.

This is since the original social media post as you full well know liar ! >:( >:(

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:45am:

Quote: if he can INSULT whoever he chooses   then we all can in public.. We all have the right to publicly express our view on who is going to hell Cods. Do you live in Australia?

FD, I've asked several times but each time you've run away.

If you ran a business, and an employee posted something on social media that pissed off your customers and had the potential to cost you tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars or more, would you sack them if they refused to stop posting whatever it was your customers didn't like, or would you tell your customers that they can take their business elsewhere?

John Smith wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:45am: Quote: if he can INSULT whoever he chooses   then we all can in public.. We all have the right to publicly express our view on who is going to hell Cods. Do you live in Australia? FD, I've asked several times but each time you've run away. If you ran a business, and an employee posted something on social media that pissed off your customers and had the potential to cost you tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars or more, would you sack them if they refused to stop posting whatever it was your customers didn't like, or would you tell your customers that they can take their business elsewhere?

That is not the only question he has run away from on this matter.  If ever he gets around to answering that one, I'll push him some more on mine.

Effendi....what say ye to Mr Smith?

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 11:04am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:56am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd... I agree with you. I think he did pull strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired. I think he admitted to this in the article. But he also denied doing so - double speak, on behalf of Qantas. well maybe that wasnt his intention....seriously do you think this would have gone to arbitration and get thrown out if it could be proved it was joyce who wanted him sacked .... ::) ::) I dont think the RU would humiliate their top sponsor like that... they would have given in... fd you seem to have it in for Joyce maybe he wont let you into his lounge room... ::) ::) dont forget   you are reading what he  has said.... ::) ::).. it isnt always reported as so..

I don't think it matters (legally) who wanted him sacked. It was RA who sacked him.

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 3:04pm:

That is not the only question he has run away from on this matter.  If ever he gets around to answering that one, I'll push him some more on mine. Effendi....what say ye to Mr Smith?

he's busy impressing cods ... give him a minute, I'm sure he'll get around to it. ;)

John Smith wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:45am: Quote: if he can INSULT whoever he chooses   then we all can in public.. We all have the right to publicly express our view on who is going to hell Cods. Do you live in Australia? FD, I've asked several times but each time you've run away. If you ran a business, and an employee posted something on social media that pissed off your customers and had the potential to cost you tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars or more, would you sack them if they refused to stop posting whatever it was your customers didn't like, or would you tell your customers that they can take their business elsewhere?

If he did it at work or claimed to be representing my business, sure.

Folau did not harm Rugby Australia. The homofascists tried to, but I don't see any harm yet.

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 3:10pm:

If he did it at work or claimed to be representing my business, sure.

If he is publicly recognised as an employee of yours, he's representing you. It matters not if he claims to with every post he makes on social media.


freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 3:10pm:

Folau did not harm Rugby Australia, the homofascists tried to, but I don't see any harm yet.

and yet their sponsors, who provide them with millions of dollars annually, were threatening to walk. I'd say that classifies as 'harming RA', don't you?

Quote:

do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL.....

What Filou said (as much as I dislike it) is the official view of most mainstream religions in Australia and is a view that is protected under our Human rights charter.

His right to express this view is also represented in the ARU's code of conduct which is the same document used to sack him on a different clause.

The separate clauses in the ARU's code of conduct are in conflict and the ARU in itself is in breach of its own code of conduct. To be consistent with action taken they would need to sack themselves which would be a sensible and justified move in the circumstances.

The ARU have IMO brought their sport into disrepute to a much greater extent than Filou. They managed to turn a storm in a tea cup into a major international controversy just because they are stupid.

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 3:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:52pm: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:45am: Quote: if he can INSULT whoever he chooses   then we all can in public.. We all have the right to publicly express our view on who is going to hell Cods. Do you live in Australia? FD, I've asked several times but each time you've run away. If you ran a business, and an employee posted something on social media that pissed off your customers and had the potential to cost you tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars or more, would you sack them if they refused to stop posting whatever it was your customers didn't like, or would you tell your customers that they can take their business elsewhere? If he did it at work or claimed to be representing my business, sure. Folau did not harm Rugby Australia. The homofascists tried to, but I don't see any harm yet.

Oh really Effendi?  So let's say you have 10 customers.  One employee...a Folau.  All your customers know him.

He says on social media that all your customers will go to Hell.

All ten of your customers come to you and say "We don't like being referred to in that way.  I am worried that my money is going to support a bloke with that view.  We ask that you sort that out."

Waddayagonnado Effendi?  Tell all ten of your customers to fuq off....and lose your business?

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 3:05pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:04am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:56am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am: Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga. no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think... perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon... sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end... I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off. His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.     he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women..... if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.???? come on fd... I agree with you. I think he did pull strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired. I think he admitted to this in the article. But he also denied doing so - double speak, on behalf of Qantas. well maybe that wasnt his intention....seriously do you think this would have gone to arbitration and get thrown out if it could be proved it was joyce who wanted him sacked .... ::) ::) I dont think the RU would humiliate their top sponsor like that... they would have given in... fd you seem to have it in for Joyce maybe he wont let you into his lounge room... ::) ::) dont forget   you are reading what he  has said.... ::) ::).. it isnt always reported as so.. I don't think it matters (legally) who wanted him sacked. It was RA who sacked him.

now you are getting it.....

who has the right of way here...

the employer or the employee..


wheres crook when you need him?..

if RU had told Folau to shut up... completely  or face the sack..

I agree  its taking away his FOS....

but I didnt see where they did that....

I dont know all the facts on this case   

we have to be realistic   I doubt any sponsor signs up to a contract that will cost them millions without have some clauses in it.....

I know I wouldnt be...

so YES the RU has an obligation to their sponsors and I am sure this is brought in loud and clear when they sign a player up.....

if Folau  decided to appear in an ad singing their praises  for Singapore Airlines  do you think he would be breaking his contract??????/....


::) ::)

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 3:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:52pm: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:45am: Quote: if he can INSULT whoever he chooses   then we all can in public.. We all have the right to publicly express our view on who is going to hell Cods. Do you live in Australia? FD, I've asked several times but each time you've run away. If you ran a business, and an employee posted something on social media that pissed off your customers and had the potential to cost you tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars or more, would you sack them if they refused to stop posting whatever it was your customers didn't like, or would you tell your customers that they can take their business elsewhere? If he did it at work or claimed to be representing my business, sure. Folau did not harm Rugby Australia. The homofascists tried to, but I don't see any harm yet.

how can you say that????.....they employ people as well as players.....they deal with other countries all the time  these players  are ambassadors for their country   when they choose to play for it..

we should all expect only the best from our representatives..

and that includes RESPECT for all shapes and sizes....

>:( >:( >:(

he singled our homosexuals...you can read what a turn on that was just for members here.....

they now think hes a saint in shiny armour...applaud the $2 million hes raked in  ::) ::)

everyone of us can relate to being or knowing a liar.. a fornicator a drunk...

how many on here like getting DRUNK.???

at the end of the day... no one really cares if you are...

but if you happen to be homosexual....expect the worst......because thats whats coming your way... >:( >:(...

it must be shocking for a young guy who hasnt long come out  to read some of the spiteful things said about him in a place like this.. ::) ::) ::)

why or what they have done I will never know...but some of the things written here have been  appalling..

and this is just a small forum we are not in the public arena..imagine if everyone of those who donated money to this greedy person....was allowed to give their reasons why... >:( >:(


can you imagine the HATE these people would have to put up with..... >:( >:(

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 4:40pm:

how can you say that????.....they employ people as well as players.....they deal with other countries all the time  these players  are ambassadors for their country   when they choose to play for it.. we should all expect only the best from our representatives.. and that includes RESPECT for all shapes and sizes.... >:( >:( >:( he singled our homosexuals...you can read what a turn on that was just for members here..... they now think hes a saint in shiny armour...applaud the $2 million hes raked in  ::) ::) everyone of us can relate to being or knowing a liar.. a fornicator a drunk... how many on here like getting DRUNK.??? at the end of the day... no one really cares if you are... but if you happen to be homosexual....expect the worst......because thats whats coming your way... >:( >:(... it must be shocking for a young guy who hasnt long come out  to read some of the spiteful things said about him in a place like this.. ::) ::) ::) why or what they have done I will never know...but some of the things written here have been  appalling.. and this is just a small forum we are not in the public arena..imagine if everyone of those who donated money to this greedy person....was allowed to give their reasons why... >:( >:( can you imagine the HATE these people would have to put up with..... >:( >:(

Quote:

he singled our homosexuals...you can read what a turn on that was just for members here.....

This is what he said, this is paraphrasing the scriptures and it isn't singling out homosexuals, it is including them in the list of sinners.


Quote:

“Warning: Drunks. Homosexuals. Adulterers. Liars. Fornicators. Thieves. Atheists. Idolaters. Hell awaits you.”

No.....he singled out homos.  I have posted a link.

It's fair to blame the government for its pursuit of policies of division and of exclusion.... those mindless policies are the root cause of all the current hardline and escalating fighting going on between certain groups within this society ....

I'm waiting for the full outbreak of JaSin's civil war...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEg9EcjdGkA&list=RDmEg9EcjdGkA&start_radio=1&t=11

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 5:37pm:

No.....he singled out homos.  I have posted a link.

You have posted many links, the post previous lays out what he had said. There were liars, adulterers, drunks, fornicators etc all included.

This is the view he was sacked over. He may well have said worse since the guy is as dumb as dog doo doo, he has to be a Liberal voter to make it worse still.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 7:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 5:37pm: No.....he singled out homos.  I have posted a link. You have posted many links, the post previous lays out what he had said. There were liars, adulterers, drunks, fornicators etc all included. This is the view he was sacked over. He may well have said worse since the guy is as dumb as dog doo doo, he has to be a Liberal voter to make it worse still.

Here you go.  Watch and read.

Link.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 7:34pm:

This is the view he was sacked over.

not quite ... this comment was only the final part of it. It started last year when he posted another comment attacking gays. He was warned not to post anything on social media that might be seen as an attack on gays or he risked losing his contract. He wanted to play chicken with RA and got plucked.

Now he's crying that he wants his feathers back

bwood1946 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:35pm: Gnads wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:06pm: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:16am: everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal.... just my opinion. ::) This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire ABSOLUTELY! What attacks on gays? Thats ruubbish. Folau didnt attack them he merely stated his religious beliefs regarding several types of sinners that he belives will go to hell. Homosexuals were on the list. The majority of personal verbal attacks have been toward Folau firstly and now his wife has been gutlessly targetted. Oh yes he did Gonads. Watch and read: Link. This is since the original social media post as you full well know liar ! >:( >:(

Does it matter?  There...in that link, he IDs his specific target.

If Izzy only Tweeted that he wonders about his step-daughter's clit, would he still be playing rugby?


Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1560737366/48#48

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.

Guilty!

Gordon wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 8:01pm:

If Izzy only Tweeted that he wonders about his step-daughter's clit, would he still be playing rugby? Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1560737366/48#48

Spamming the Forum now, are you Gordon?

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 8:01pm: If Izzy only Tweeted that he wonders about his step-daughter's clit, would he still be playing rugby? Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 2:56pm: One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1560737366/48#48 Spamming the Forum now, are you Gordon?

I'm just the straw that stirs the drink, clit wonderer.


Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced.  I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1560737366/48#48

I wonder which Party will support which group?
The Christians or the Gay Lions?

Civil War ;)

Rider wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:02pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:45am: Maybe people will stop flying Quantas and send a message to the head fart sniffing lying piece of garbage. Of course joyce was behind it all. Where else would it come from? It is so good to see this blow up in their face. Already done.  Will not support this airline. Same as no longer supporting the AFL and any number of businesses who have deliberately over stepped their role in society. Sick of being lectured to by self appointed righteous virtue signalling numpties.

You're not the only one rider. More and more are starting to "throw the ball back".
People are fed up with this overrepresented gay movement going on.

We no longer watch TV
I will NEVER fly Qantas while that fart sniffer is the boss.
Our children...as of next year will be home schooled.
Any gay advertising by any company will see me avoid their products.

I don't care if blokes want to be with blokes. The problem I have is that it is being rubbed in our face and pushed on our children through safe schools etc. Quiet frankly I find it extremely offensive.

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 7:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 7:34pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 5:37pm: No.....he singled out homos.  I have posted a link. You have posted many links, the post previous lays out what he had said. There were liars, adulterers, drunks, fornicators etc all included. This is the view he was sacked over. He may well have said worse since the guy is as dumb as dog doo doo, he has to be a Liberal voter to make it worse still. Here you go.  Watch and read. Link.

This is 100% irrelevant. In this forum he is absolutely allowed to make such statements agree with him or not (I don't). The Rugby Union would be in a heap of poo if they tried to take any action over his religious view expressed in a church.

This is in no way related to the controversy.

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 7:58pm:

bwood1946 wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:45pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:35pm: Gnads wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:06pm: cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:16am: everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal.... just my opinion. ::) This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire ABSOLUTELY! What attacks on gays? Thats ruubbish. Folau didnt attack them he merely stated his religious beliefs regarding several types of sinners that he belives will go to hell. Homosexuals were on the list. The majority of personal verbal attacks have been toward Folau firstly and now his wife has been gutlessly targetted. Oh yes he did Gonads. Watch and read: Link. This is since the original social media post as you full well know liar ! >:( >:( Does it matter?  There...in that link, he IDs his specific target.

He talks on the topic of homosexuality and how it is moving in main stream Australian politics in his opinion and experience. Not relevant to his sacking.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 8:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 7:55pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 7:34pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 5:37pm: No.....he singled out homos.  I have posted a link. You have posted many links, the post previous lays out what he had said. There were liars, adulterers, drunks, fornicators etc all included. This is the view he was sacked over. He may well have said worse since the guy is as dumb as dog doo doo, he has to be a Liberal voter to make it worse still. Here you go.  Watch and read. Link. This is 100% irrelevant. In this forum he is absolutely allowed to make such statements agree with him or not (I don't). The Rugby Union would be in a heap of poo if they tried to take any action over his religious view expressed in a church. This is in no way related to the controversy.

And they didn't. 

The point is that Folau is yer typical wanker religious zealot 'Johnnie come lately' homophobe and any attempt to ascribe his meme to anything other than homosexuals is just silly, and pointless.

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 9:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 8:42pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 7:55pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 7:34pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 5:37pm: No.....he singled out homos.  I have posted a link. You have posted many links, the post previous lays out what he had said. There were liars, adulterers, drunks, fornicators etc all included. This is the view he was sacked over. He may well have said worse since the guy is as dumb as dog doo doo, he has to be a Liberal voter to make it worse still. Here you go.  Watch and read. Link. This is 100% irrelevant. In this forum he is absolutely allowed to make such statements agree with him or not (I don't). The Rugby Union would be in a heap of poo if they tried to take any action over his religious view expressed in a church. This is in no way related to the controversy. And they didn't.  The point is that Folau is yer typical wanker religious zealot 'Johnnie come lately' homophobe and any attempt to ascribe his meme to anything other than homosexuals is just silly, and pointless.

Except that he ascribes the same treatment to adulterers, liars, drunks, fornicators, Thieves, Atheists etc.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 9:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 9:16pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 8:42pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 7:55pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 7:34pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 5:37pm: No.....he singled out homos.  I have posted a link. You have posted many links, the post previous lays out what he had said. There were liars, adulterers, drunks, fornicators etc all included. This is the view he was sacked over. He may well have said worse since the guy is as dumb as dog doo doo, he has to be a Liberal voter to make it worse still. Here you go.  Watch and read. Link. This is 100% irrelevant. In this forum he is absolutely allowed to make such statements agree with him or not (I don't). The Rugby Union would be in a heap of poo if they tried to take any action over his religious view expressed in a church. This is in no way related to the controversy. And they didn't.  The point is that Folau is yer typical wanker religious zealot 'Johnnie come lately' homophobe and any attempt to ascribe his meme to anything other than homosexuals is just silly, and pointless. Except that he ascribes the same treatment to adulterers, liars, drunks, fornicators, Thieves, Atheists etc.

Yet all the focus is on gays.....because they're the ones that jacked up about it.


Like I've said previously.....poofs demand attention and Australia has had enough.
Shut up proofs, be with your male partners and get on with life. Also learn to cop some flack over what you do....cause it is not right...and you all know it hence the reaction to Mr Folau.

Did any hetros jack up when they cop some flack for being liars, drunks, fabricators...thieves? No. Just the proofs. Maybe they have guilt in these other areas too. Perhaps they are ALL OF THE ABOVE!  ;D

Dnarever wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 7:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 5:37pm: No.....he singled out homos.  I have posted a link. You have posted many links, the post previous lays out what he had said. There were liars, adulterers, drunks, fornicators etc all included. This is the view he was sacked over. He may well have said worse since the guy is as dumb as dog doo doo, he has to be a Liberal voter to make it worse still.

well I think hes GREEDY   so that would make him a Labor voter they always want MORE. :)

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 6:34am:

Yet all the focus is on gays.....because they're the ones that jacked up about it. Like I've said previously.....poofs demand attention and Australia has had enough. Shut up proofs, be with your male partners and get on with life. Also learn to cop some flack over what you do....cause it is not right...and you all know it hence the reaction to Mr Folau. Did any hetros jack up when they cop some flack for being liars, drunks, fabricators...thieves? No. Just the proofs. Maybe they have guilt in these other areas too. Perhaps they are ALL OF THE ABOVE!

Ah yes, the fabricators.

They've been getting away with building things for far too long.

Hell awaits all you nasty fabricators!


http://www.martinsteelfab.com/steel-fabricator-StLouis/welder.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 6:42am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 6:34am: Yet all the focus is on gays.....because they're the ones that jacked up about it. Like I've said previously.....poofs demand attention and Australia has had enough. Shut up proofs, be with your male partners and get on with life. Also learn to cop some flack over what you do....cause it is not right...and you all know it hence the reaction to Mr Folau. Did any hetros jack up when they cop some flack for being liars, drunks, fabricators...thieves? No. Just the proofs. Maybe they have guilt in these other areas too. Perhaps they are ALL OF THE ABOVE!  Ah yes, the fabricators. They've been getting away with building things for far too long. Hell awaits all you nasty fabricators! http://www.martinsteelfab.com/steel-fabricator-StLouis/welder.jpg

Haha.
Touche.....don't ya love this auto correct?

Bloody fabricators.  ;D

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 6:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 6:42am: Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 6:34am: Yet all the focus is on gays.....because they're the ones that jacked up about it. Like I've said previously.....poofs demand attention and Australia has had enough. Shut up proofs, be with your male partners and get on with life. Also learn to cop some flack over what you do....cause it is not right...and you all know it hence the reaction to Mr Folau. Did any hetros jack up when they cop some flack for being liars, drunks, fabricators...thieves? No. Just the proofs. Maybe they have guilt in these other areas too. Perhaps they are ALL OF THE ABOVE!  Ah yes, the fabricators. They've been getting away with building things for far too long. Hell awaits all you nasty fabricators! http://www.martinsteelfab.com/steel-fabricator-StLouis/welder.jpg Haha. Touche.....don't ya love this auto correct? Bloody fabricators.  ;D

whats a proofs?

Aww jeeezuz. The teachers are out in force today...Sunday school is in.  ;D

Proofs is....I'm fuct if I know! A poofters roof? You know what I meant.....
Read what I meant....not what I typed.  8-)

just so long as we know..you know! :)

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If he is publicly recognised as an employee of yours, he's representing you.

Only in the eyes of a homofascist.


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and yet their sponsors, who provide them with millions of dollars annually, were threatening to walk

Threats are not actual harm.


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What Filou said (as much as I dislike it) is the official view of most mainstream religions in Australia and is a view that is protected under our Human rights charter.

Whether it is the official view makes no difference to the human rights. I am not sure what Folau meant, but most religions consider homosexual acts, no inclinations, to be the sin.


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he singled our homosexuals

No he didn't cods. It's just that everyone else on his list had thicker skin.


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they now think hes a saint in shiny armour...applaud the $2 million hes raked in

They think he is a martyr for freedom of speech.

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 8:36am:

Quote: If he is publicly recognised as an employee of yours, he's representing you. Only in the eyes of a homofascist. [quote]and yet their sponsors, who provide them with millions of dollars annually, were threatening to walk

Threats are not actual harm.


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What Filou said (as much as I dislike it) is the official view of most mainstream religions in Australia and is a view that is protected under our Human rights charter.

Whether it is the official view makes no difference to the human rights. I am not sure what Folau meant, but most religions consider homosexual acts, no inclinations, to be the sin.

WE CANT HAVE A BET EACH WAY  WE GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED...WE CANNOT SERIOUSLY CALL THEM SINNERS.



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he singled our homosexuals

No he didn't cods. It's just that everyone else on his list had thicker skin.

YES HE DID FD....IF YOUR GAY YOU KNOW YOU ARE GAY AND MOST AROUND YOU KNOW YOU ARE GAY..

IF YOU ARE A LIAR.FORNICATOR AND THE REST APART FROM DRUNKS! ALMOST NO ONE CAN TELL...
AS I HAVE ALREADY SAID  WE CAN ALL BE ANYONE OF THOSE AND MANY ARE MORE....BUT WHO CAN TELL?



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they now think hes a saint in shiny armour...applaud the $2 million hes raked in

They think he is a martyr for freedom of speech.[/quote]


SAME THING... SPECIAL

I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion.

That list includes 99% of the population in some way shape or form why have we slipped on the homosexual rung.

Does this mean next time a gay player from any code puts sh!t on the bible or Christianity they too will be dismissed like Falau. Because if you're talking about people power and getting people upset there are many more Christians than gays.

The bar has been set lets see if it applies to all.

If I was a business I would cater for Christians more than gays on the simple fact that there are so many more of them for the business to thrive.

I think aussies are sick and tired of having homosexuality and transgenderism shoved down our throats like some sort of new religion.

This coming from 3% of the population whom nearly half have mental problems and suicidal tendencies.

I blame the United Nations that’s where the buck stops, that’s the bottom line they have pushed SSM, transgenderism and political correctness with a host of other unwelcome things into every Nation on Earth.

The United Nations who are run by the oligarchy the elite the 1%, its time for them to be shut down since their original mandate has been far exceeded.

Death to the United Nations, time to shut down this hand full of people pushing their ideas on to whole populations all over the world.

Ajax wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:22am:

I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion.

Yes he is.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:24am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is.

No he's not, it cost him his job.

Now if a gay player says that what's in the bible is rubbish should they get sacked as well......???

This is your interpretation of free speech..?!?!

Ajax wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job.

Yes, he is.

Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences.

Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:30am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job. Yes, he is. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion.

Jah, Jah - ve haff vays off meking you not work!  ;)

Either volunteer to go against your personal views or be conscripted... but under no circumstances challenge city hall..

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:30am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job. Yes, he is. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion.

That list includes 99% of the population.

I don't see fornicators and drunks asking for his removal only the precious homosexuals.

It's what he believes in and he should be allowed to express his views.

This is not democracy.........!

Ajax wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:30am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job. Yes, he is. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion. That list includes 99% of the population. I don't see fornicators and drunks asking for his removal only the precious homosexuals. It's what he believes in and he should be allowed to express his views. This is not democracy.........!

He IS allowed to express his views.

Nobody is stopping him.

Israel Folau is a victim of his own stupidity and deserves no public support.

Sponsors would have dropped RA for years over this issue if RA did not fire Israel Folau.

There is no excuse for religious extremists.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:41am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:30am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job. Yes, he is. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion. That list includes 99% of the population. I don't see fornicators and drunks asking for his removal only the precious homosexuals. It's what he believes in and he should be allowed to express his views. This is not democracy.........! He IS allowed to express his views. Nobody is stopping him.

So if you walked into your boss's office and said the gay life is the natural one and got sacked the next day.

That is freedom of speech.......???

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:43am:

Israel Folau is a victim of his own stupidity and deserves no public support. Sponsors would have dropped RA for years over this issue if RA did not fire Israel Folau. There is no excuse for religious extremists.

Consult a dictionary.......!!!

Ajax wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:41am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:30am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job. Yes, he is. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion. That list includes 99% of the population. I don't see fornicators and drunks asking for his removal only the precious homosexuals. It's what he believes in and he should be allowed to express his views. This is not democracy.........! He IS allowed to express his views. Nobody is stopping him. So if you walked into your boss's office and said the gay life is the natural one and got sacked the next day. That is freedom of speech.......???

Yes.

I have the freedom to walk into their office and say whatever I like.

Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:50am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:41am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:30am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job. Yes, he is. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion. That list includes 99% of the population. I don't see fornicators and drunks asking for his removal only the precious homosexuals. It's what he believes in and he should be allowed to express his views. This is not democracy.........! He IS allowed to express his views. Nobody is stopping him. So if you walked into your boss's office and said the gay life is the natural one and got sacked the next day. That is freedom of speech.......??? Yes. I have the freedom to walk into their office and say whatever I like. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, though.

He got sacked because homosexuals were on that list, if homosexuals were not on that list everything would have been fine and he would still have his job, even though his list includes most of the population.

There shouldn't be consequences for expressing your opinion and what you believe in, these are not his own words he is stating what's in the bible.

IF the rest of us can bare it like water of a ducks back then I think the LGBTI community has to grow some balls.

https://i.ibb.co/R7XqSng/PFTRSRULE.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:50am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:41am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:30am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job. Yes, he is. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion. That list includes 99% of the population. I don't see fornicators and drunks asking for his removal only the precious homosexuals. It's what he believes in and he should be allowed to express his views. This is not democracy.........! He IS allowed to express his views. Nobody is stopping him. So if you walked into your boss's office and said the gay life is the natural one and got sacked the next day. That is freedom of speech.......??? Yes. I have the freedom to walk into their office and say whatever I like. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, though.

So you would have no problem with people being fired for saying that homosexuality is natural?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 9:50am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:41am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:30am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job. Yes, he is. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion. That list includes 99% of the population. I don't see fornicators and drunks asking for his removal only the precious homosexuals. It's what he believes in and he should be allowed to express his views. This is not democracy.........! He IS allowed to express his views. Nobody is stopping him. So if you walked into your boss's office and said the gay life is the natural one and got sacked the next day. That is freedom of speech.......??? Yes. I have the freedom to walk into their office and say whatever I like. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, though.

what is it they dont understand about FOS...

there is no such  bloody thing..

have any of them looked at the reaction to all this..

look at the money raised to help him hire a QC....thats by people who are very probably homophobic...look at them on here some have said some appalling stuff...

totally un CHristian full of hate...


I havent seen anyone who believes Israel is out of line  saying the terrible things his supporters have said..



what am I missing here???... :( :( :( :(


maybe his supporters dont see themselves as sprouting hate or disrespect for a minority group... ::) ::)

cods wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:50am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:41am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:30am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job. Yes, he is. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion. That list includes 99% of the population. I don't see fornicators and drunks asking for his removal only the precious homosexuals. It's what he believes in and he should be allowed to express his views. This is not democracy.........! He IS allowed to express his views. Nobody is stopping him. So if you walked into your boss's office and said the gay life is the natural one and got sacked the next day. That is freedom of speech.......??? Yes. I have the freedom to walk into their office and say whatever I like. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, though. what is it they dont understand about FOS... there is no such  bloody thing.. have any of them looked at the reaction to all this.. look at the money raised to help him hire a QC....thats by people who are very probably homophobic...look at them on here some have said some appalling stuff... totally un CHristian full of hate... I havent seen anyone who believes Israel is out of line  saying the terrible things his supporters have said.. what am I missing here???... :( :( :( :( maybe his supporters dont see themselves as sprouting hate or disrespect for a minority group... ::) ::)

An atheist posted on my facebook feed that they donated in defense of freedom of speech.

cods wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:50am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:41am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:30am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:24am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:22am: I don’t really care what Israel Falau believes in, what I do care about is that he is not allowed to express his opinion. Yes he is. No he's not, it cost him his job. Yes, he is. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Nobody is stopping him from expressing his opinion. That list includes 99% of the population. I don't see fornicators and drunks asking for his removal only the precious homosexuals. It's what he believes in and he should be allowed to express his views. This is not democracy.........! He IS allowed to express his views. Nobody is stopping him. So if you walked into your boss's office and said the gay life is the natural one and got sacked the next day. That is freedom of speech.......??? Yes. I have the freedom to walk into their office and say whatever I like. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, though. what is it they dont understand about FOS... there is no such  bloody thing.. have any of them looked at the reaction to all this.. look at the money raised to help him hire a QC....thats by people who are very probably homophobic...look at them on here some have said some appalling stuff... totally un CHristian full of hate... I havent seen anyone who believes Israel is out of line  saying the terrible things his supporters have said.. what am I missing here???... :( :( :( :( maybe his supporters dont see themselves as sprouting hate or disrespect for a minority group... ::) ::)

FFS,  cods it about freedom of speach not poofters! >:( >:( >:(

Ajax wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 10:09am:

There shouldn't be consequences for expressing your opinion and what you believe in, these are not his own words he is stating what's in the bible.

Really?

I have a Bible sitting on my desk right now.

Where will I find "Hell awaits you"?


https://img.wikinut.com/img/20or2hydw9kc_2de/jpeg/0/Man-thumbing-through-the-Bible.jpeg

cods wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 10:12am:

what is it they dont understand about FOS... there is no such  bloody thing.. have any of them looked at the reaction to all this.. look at the money raised to help him hire a QC....thats by people who are very probably homophobic  when all else fails, drag out the old name-calling card ...look at them on here some have said some appalling stuff... such as? totally un CHristian full of hate... did they claim to be Christians? I havent seen anyone who believes Israel is out of line saying the terrible things his supporters have said.. torture that vernacular enough and it will eventually yield up the truth.. that is one confusing statement what am I missing here???... :( :( :( :( maybe his supporters dont see themselves as sprouting hate or disrespect for a minority group... no - in the main they are seeking to have his right to his views enshrined - that in itself is not hate or disrespect in any way - and you may not use the term 'disrespect' when respect needs to be earned as an individual::) ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:09am: There shouldn't be consequences for expressing your opinion and what you believe in, these are not his own words he is stating what's in the bible. Really? I have a Bible sitting on my desk right now. Where will I find "Hell awaits you"? https://img.wikinut.com/img/20or2hydw9kc_2de/jpeg/0/Man-thumbing-through-the-Bible.jpeg

Well there's no point looking at it.

Read it........!

Ajax wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 10:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:31am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:09am: There shouldn't be consequences for expressing your opinion and what you believe in, these are not his own words he is stating what's in the bible. Really? I have a Bible sitting on my desk right now. Where will I find "Hell awaits you"? https://img.wikinut.com/img/20or2hydw9kc_2de/jpeg/0/Man-thumbing-through-the-Bible.jpeg Well there's no point looking at it. Read it........!

I've read it twice, from cover to cover.

And, I'm thumbing through it right now.

I still can't find the part where it says "Hell awaits you".

Could you please be a good Christian and assist me, by telling me exactly where I can find that particular line?

Thank you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 10:46am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:31am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:09am: There shouldn't be consequences for expressing your opinion and what you believe in, these are not his own words he is stating what's in the bible. Really? I have a Bible sitting on my desk right now. Where will I find "Hell awaits you"? https://img.wikinut.com/img/20or2hydw9kc_2de/jpeg/0/Man-thumbing-through-the-Bible.jpeg Well there's no point looking at it. Read it........! I've read it twice, from cover to cover. And, I'm thumbing through it right now. I still can't find the part where it says "Hell awaits you". Could you please be a good Christian and assist me, by telling me exactly where I can find that particular line? Thank you.

The whole is greater than the sum of its individual parts.

A whole watch can tell you the time, laid out in its individual pieces it cant tell you much.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 10:46am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:31am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:09am: There shouldn't be consequences for expressing your opinion and what you believe in, these are not his own words he is stating what's in the bible. Really? I have a Bible sitting on my desk right now. Where will I find "Hell awaits you"? https://img.wikinut.com/img/20or2hydw9kc_2de/jpeg/0/Man-thumbing-through-the-Bible.jpeg Well there's no point looking at it. Read it........! I've read it twice, from cover to cover. And, I'm thumbing through it right now. I still can't find the part where it says "Hell awaits you". Could you please be a good Christian and assist me, by telling me exactly where I can find that particular line? Thank you.

You have to read up on the Pentecostal movement Pecca.

freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 8:36am:

Only in the eyes of a homofascist.

Do you think if you make up some dumb word and repeat it often enough it becomes more relevant? Anyone who is a fan of rugby knows Falau plays for Australia. Are they all homofascists?


freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 8:36am:

Threats are not actual harm.

so as a business man you'd wait until your customers all left before taking action? Seriously, you couldn't make up a more stupid comment if you'd tried.

Ajax wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 10:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:46am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:31am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:09am: There shouldn't be consequences for expressing your opinion and what you believe in, these are not his own words he is stating what's in the bible. Really? I have a Bible sitting on my desk right now. Where will I find "Hell awaits you"? https://img.wikinut.com/img/20or2hydw9kc_2de/jpeg/0/Man-thumbing-through-the-Bible.jpeg Well there's no point looking at it. Read it........! I've read it twice, from cover to cover. And, I'm thumbing through it right now. I still can't find the part where it says "Hell awaits you". Could you please be a good Christian and assist me, by telling me exactly where I can find that particular line? Thank you. The whole is greater than the sum of its individual parts. A whole watch can tell you the time, laid out in its individual pieces it cant tell you much.

So, it's not in the Bible, yeah?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:46am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:31am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:09am: There shouldn't be consequences for expressing your opinion and what you believe in, these are not his own words he is stating what's in the bible. Really? I have a Bible sitting on my desk right now. Where will I find "Hell awaits you"? https://img.wikinut.com/img/20or2hydw9kc_2de/jpeg/0/Man-thumbing-through-the-Bible.jpeg Well there's no point looking at it. Read it........! I've read it twice, from cover to cover. And, I'm thumbing through it right now. I still can't find the part where it says "Hell awaits you". Could you please be a good Christian and assist me, by telling me exactly where I can find that particular line? Thank you. You have to read up on the Pentecostal movement Pecca.

No.

I have to read the Bible.

Ajax (and Bobby, et al.) claimed that "he is stating what's in the bible."

So, show me where it says "Hell awaits you" in the Bible.

That's all I'm asking.

bwood1946 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 10:17am:

FFS,  cods it about freedom of speach not poofters!

no it's not. It's about breaching the terms of contract he signed

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2019 at 11:07am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:46am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:31am: Ajax wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:09am: There shouldn't be consequences for expressing your opinion and what you believe in, these are not his own words he is stating what's in the bible. Really? I have a Bible sitting on my desk right now. Where will I find "Hell awaits you"? https://img.wikinut.com/img/20or2hydw9kc_2de/jpeg/0/Man-thumbing-through-the-Bible.jpeg Well there's no point looking at it. Read it........! I've read it twice, from cover to cover. And, I'm thumbing through it right now. I still can't find the part where it says "Hell awaits you". Could you please be a good Christian and assist me, by telling me exactly where I can find that particular line? Thank you. The whole is greater than the sum of its individual parts. A whole watch can tell you the time, laid out in its individual pieces it cant tell you much. So, it's not in the Bible, yeah?

Falou's people get their beliefs from this Pecca-

Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet."