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General Discussion >> General Board >> Is the government representative of the electorate http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1555036438 Message started by Spatchcock on Apr 12th, 2019 at 12:33pm |
Title: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Spatchcock on Apr 12th, 2019 at 12:33pm
So here we have the government deporting a family because one of their children costs the health service money.
Is this something you can agree with? Like I can understand the medical treatment costs money. I can also understand this is a person. Is a person only a statistic and has a value based on government budgets? Can you support this? Are you concerned about your taxes? If so, is this frustration at being a full time worker and not enjoying having to work to survive and are trying to reclaim some lost power or dignity by asserting your outrage over "your" finances? Because really this has nothing to do with your finances. Day to day nothing changes. Meanwhile expenses are made for fighter jets, submarines, navy ships, new army vehicles etc. Which are used to kill... And this is a priority spending for the government. Whereas this funding is to provide better quality of life for a family and the community...... Which is not acceptable. So anyway, does the government represent you? Or are they a different breed? Are they genetically predisposed to holding a temperament that is far removed from what is normal? Quote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-12/family-facing-deportation-because-son-taxpayer-burden/10994418 |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 12th, 2019 at 12:43pm
The family has been out here for 5 years and their autistic son is 11 years old? Did they know before coming that this scenario would affect their migration status? Did they see Australia as a gravy train from the start? They've been out here for 5 years which means they've put hardly anything into the country and in return expect $100,000's worth the treatment?
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Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Spatchcock on Apr 12th, 2019 at 1:17pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 12:43pm:
But I thought we spent billions sending Australians to die in Afghanistan to make a better life for Afghans. So what's wrong with a few thousand for an autistic kid and his family to have better lives? They're all people. Unless the claims in Afghanistan were misrepresented in order to get public support (see: electoral interference) for war because otherwise it was unpalatable and the government just wanted to play with their toy soldiers and needed a convincing story. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Captain Caveman on Apr 12th, 2019 at 1:20pm Spatchcock wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 1:17pm:
We weren't going to afghan until Bali. Make of that what you will but Australia told the US to piss off until the Bali bombings event. Then little Johnny climbed back up Georges arse. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Spatchcock on Apr 12th, 2019 at 1:22pm Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 1:20pm:
Why are you discrediting this entire website by posting blatantly false and easily checked information? Australia had troops in Afghanistan in 2001. The Bali bombings were in 2002. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by John Smith on Apr 12th, 2019 at 5:40pm Spatchcock wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
It's also important to note that the family have offered to cover all the medical costs, so they won't actually cost the govt. anything. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 12th, 2019 at 5:52pm John Smith wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 5:40pm:
Yeah. How? |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by John Smith on Apr 12th, 2019 at 5:57pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 5:52pm:
they both have jobs as well as running their own business. This is the sort of person we should be encouraging to stay. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:00pm John Smith wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 5:57pm:
Get them to sign a contract. What happens if one of them carcs it or their business goes under? |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by John Smith on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:14pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:00pm:
I have no problem with them been asked to sign. As for your speculation, two can play that game .... what happens if one of them wins $600m on lottoland? :D :D |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:16pm John Smith wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:14pm:
I'll slide down a 200 ft razor blade using my balls as brakes. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by John Smith on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:27pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:16pm:
you better hope they don't win then ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Spatchcock on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:33pm
If they get sent back to the Philippines there are less supports for them.
The whole family suffers not just the autistic kid. We can provide for them. Why shouldn't we? Why are you outraged? Does it have something to do with the indignation of having to work your whole life and lay tax? Does bombing little brown girls make you feel like a man again? |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by freediver on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:35pm John Smith wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 5:40pm:
Are you suggesting we create a second class citizenship status especially for them? |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by .JaSin. on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:06pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 12:43pm:
It's right up there with those who get injured on their weekend sports game or night bender who sneak into work 'carrying' their injury (and if you can 'carry' an injury, then you are fit to work!) , fake an accident and go on compo. ::) Spongers & Bludgers. ::) |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by .JaSin. on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:11pm Spatchcock wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:33pm:
No Spatchcock - its not about bleeding heart do-good try-hard attitudes. Besides your own Health System here in Australia can only provide 'Research' as its main success, where it just 'survives', (not lives) in all other departments at an ever growing cost. Its also about saying "NO" to irresponsible over-population and the problems it causes. Maybe you should send them Condoms? But hey, I know what your argument will be: But all of Australia's kids are being 'used' by parents towards claiming Autism for benefits. Autism = the behaviour of being 'dependent'?? |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Spatchcock on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:26pm
I have no idea what you're talking about.
My arguement is why are they a burden on the health system and therefore economy when we are spending billions on defense? When we go kill brown people it is to help society. And this is good. So why is it bad to help society by giving money to retards? Why is money to help only good if used for death? Why are we so inhumane? |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Brian Ross on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:30pm Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 1:20pm:
Err, not quite. Australia first committed troops to Afghanistan in October 2001. The Bali Bombings occurred in October 2002. That is a twelve month difference between events, you realise? Afghanistan happened first, 12 months earlier. ::) |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by .JaSin. on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:30pm Spatchcock wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:26pm:
Why don't you just work like a good slave to the Foreign Ownership of UK, USA and every other Nation over Australia, as the Australian that you are (A Criminal and Racist) and just bide your time as they 'self-destruct' and fall away from your success. Welcome to the New Age - here at the Begining of the World |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:36pm Spatchcock wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:26pm:
Because if we relax the laws like in this instance it will start a avalanche. People need to realise that. Australia doesn't have to prop up non citizens from around the world. Loads of our own people are in a bad way. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by .JaSin. on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:41pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:36pm:
But Hammer, that may be the 'truth' of the matter. But the Australian Media doesn't 'promote' it that way. It promotes Australia full of 'reality' Shows of Over-Indulgence and the 'recreational' lifestyle of extravagance and Public Holidays. So many Cooking Shows, Australia is aplenty of food. So many Dating Shows, Australia is aplenty of pussy. So many Holidaying/Travel Shows, Australia is aplenty of 'Spending' of aplenty of 'Money'. Australia - the poor down-trodden nation of Convicts? Nah - not according to the Media! |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:44pm Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
My brother pointed something out to me the other day Jasin. Propaganda coming from the man isn't directed at the poor. It's directed at the other high ups. Poor people have no voice in the media because they don't consider them worth noting. That's why it's all dating shows and other crap. It's for them. Not us. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Spatchcock on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:44pm Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:30pm:
If you don't work you can't afford anything. This is the world we live in. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Spatchcock on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:46pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:44pm:
And if you want to be cool you want to be like them, not like us. And if you don't want to be cool you have anhedonia which is depression and you need to be drugged. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by .JaSin. on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:48pm Spatchcock wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:44pm:
Often I work for 'Free', especially for people who 'can't' do what is needed because of very unfortunate circumstances and because they are nice and they entertain me in return and put on nice meals and bbq's for me or they do something that they 'can do' (like make doors open for me) for me, of their own accord. The Best things in Life are Free. The Best things. ;) |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Spatchcock on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:49pm Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
It promotes being cool as having the latest coffee table and cooking. It promotes domestic bliss. It's the best "reality" they can offer. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:53pm Spatchcock wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
What's wrong with being drugged. Loads of richos are on pills. Even Jamie Packer is dosed up. Being cool isn't about status and money. Or being happy. Free people are way cooler than some dude named Alistair who plays squash with Roland on thursday because he can't stand his trophy wife's guts. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:56pm Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
Good for you Jasin. What goes around comes around. Australia needs more people like you. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Spatchcock on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:56pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:53pm:
I'm saying there's nothing wrong with you. Failure to conform is anhedonia. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by Mr Hammer on Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:05pm Spatchcock wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:56pm:
Conform! Why would I want to conform to the s h it we are born into that is killing off tiny pieces of what we were day by day. We are the smart ones. Not mentally and psychologically challenged. You get a spec of sands worth of existence and then it's back into the earth. I plan to make my may life mine. Not somebody else's. I want to live, laugh and screw. And in no particular order. |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by John Smith on Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:09pm freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
not just them ... you can volunteer |
Title: Re: Is the government representative of the electorate Post by .JaSin. on Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:14pm John Smith wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:09pm:
That's a (John Smith's) Chip Packet if ever you've read one! ::) Their offer to pay for their own Medical Costs (in this very costly Australia) is like being a 'Chip' in a very big packet of Air. ::) They pay for 1 year's medical effort then that's it from them - they're officially off the hook at living up to their words. ::) |
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