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Title: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Setanta on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:13pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population buy seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

You mean Australian society as it is? Just being a bit pedantic. I asked the ground beneath me but it didn't answer.

Australian society should move away from all religions.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Sir Bobby on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

The trouble is that each woman has 10 or more kids so they multiply rapidly.
Within 25 years 2% can turn into 20% or more -
& the kids are brainwashed at the local mosques
to follow Islam where they can be indoctrinated by
fundamentalists & turned into terrorists.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Svengali on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

Isn't that what the Aboriginals said around 1788 about pommie settlers in Australia?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Lord Herbert on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:21pm

Less than 2.2% is the obvious answer if our future generations are to be given the best protection that commonsense can provide against Muslim terrorism and criminal trouble-making.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by mothra on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:31pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

No. They don't.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Lord Herbert on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm

Svengali wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

Isn't that what the Aboriginals said around 1788 about pommie settlers in Australia?

And they've been riding a Gravy Train on the taxpayers' dollars ever since.

But we digress.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by mothra on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:37pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

It's an all out feeding frenzy.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:39pm

mothra wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

It's an all out feeding frenzy.

and what happens if we exceed the percentage? do we kill them?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

Are the Shia population who hate the Sunni because of persecution also Islamophobes?

http://m.smh.com.au/national/home-front-opens-in-a-foreign-war-20130629-2p3pi.html

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/australia-isis-shoot-prominent-shia-sydney-prompting-fears-religious-violence-1472938

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235002910-boycott-shia-owned-businesses/

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by mothra on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:39pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

It's an all out feeding frenzy.

and what happens if we exceed the percentage? do we kill them?

The Islamophobes? No, that's a bit harsh. Force them to make friends with some Muslims.

That'll learn 'em.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by mothra on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:42pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

Are the Shia population who hate the Sunni because of persecuting also Islamophobes?

Quite obviously not.

Was that a serious question?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

you see, this is where you mistake me for someone who cares that they want to kill each other. I don't . They've been killing each other for centuries, and nothing we do will stop them.

The problem is when they come and attack us. Now that I do have a problem with. The only way to stop them is to leave them to themselves. We need to get out of their territories, and leave them to sort it out. They will eventually sort it out or wipe each other out.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:50pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

Now I'm confused. You recognise they have an appetite for violence, sunni shia, sunni yazidi, muslim jews but you also say they pose no risk in Australia than any other culture.

You can't have it both ways

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Setanta on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:02pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

I think you'll find all people have an appetite for violence, some, well all would rather do it from 30,000 feet. The Sunni sect of Islam is by far the most immoderate. There lays most of our problem with Islam, yet they are the ones supported by the west.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Sir Bobby on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

Isn't that what the Aboriginals said around 1788 about pommie settlers in Australia?

And they've been riding a Gravy Train on the taxpayers' dollars ever since.

But we digress.

As long as they don't follow Islam then they can come here.

In fact we don't need pedophile Catholics either.

All these religious nutcases should be banned from coming to Australia.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by The Grappler on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:13pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

Actually the outcome will be the time-honoured.. "it matters not who was right.. it matters who is left." That could be anybody... and history shows us that the current situation is most likely to create a never-ending repetition of the same old eye for an eye and generational blood feud that holds sway....

"You insult my cousin ten times remove five hundred year ago.... JIHAD!"

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:20pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

Really?

I've seen no evidence of that.

Do you have something to support your irrational, Islamophobic claim?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by The Grappler on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

Really?

I've seen no evidence of that.

Do you have something to support your irrational, Islamophobic claim?

Just saying.... the NSW Police have Middle East Crime Squad..... just saying.... might mean nothing.....

Ah surely do hate to rain on dat parade dere, Mistah.. but...

https://www.unisa.edu.au/Global/EASS/MnM/Publications/Australian_Muslims_Report_2015.pdf

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:50pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

why not? this isn't a book where you have option A or option B. Humans are much more intricate than that. .... if you were under constant threat of being attacked you'd develop an appetite for violence too. However. most who leave are tying to escape that violence.

the fact that we've had thousands of Muslims move here over decades, and very little terrorist attacks proves me right.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:51pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

maybe ... but as long as they keep it there I don't care

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by gandalf on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

The trouble is that each woman has 10 or more kids so they multiply rapidly.

In 2006 Muslim women aged 40 to 44 years had 2.9 babies each, compared with 2.0 for all women in Australia. After adjusting for factors including education and employment, the average number of children born to Australian Muslim women was 2.5

https://www.unisa.edu.au/Global/EASS/MnM/Publications/Australian_Muslims_Report_2015.pdf

Your ignorance and your bigotry is forgiven.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Setanta on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

The trouble is that each woman has 10 or more kids so they multiply rapidly.

Where do you see the problem?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by The Grappler on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

maybe ... but as long as they keep it there I don't care

I agree.. but not all Muslims are of that kind..... the problem is how to sort out who is and who isn't of the 'bad' kind..

(heaven forbid that I say the wrong thing by taking a neutral and reasoned stance, when hunted by the likes of setanta and mothra - people I used to have respect for online, but who have shown themselves to be trapped in dogma and not able to discuss reasoned points)

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by mothra on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

[lims are of that kind..... the problem is how to sort out who is and who isn't of the 'bad' kind..

(heaven forbid that I say the wrong thing by taking a neutral and reasoned stance, when hunted by the likes of setanta and mothra - people I used to have respect for online, but who have shown themselves to be trapped in dogma and not able to discuss reasoned points)

Having a little sulk, are we?

Grap, i still respect you but i object in very strong measure to your gender politics. I am tired of you insulting feminists when i myself am one, then crying foul when called upon it.

Are you aware of how insulting you can be?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Setanta on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:17am

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

He himself is one if he would allow it.

My wife is my other half, someone I need for grounding. She is the reason I do what I do. If it was up to me I'd just kill people.

Lots of them.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by The Grappler on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:18am

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

Don't respect me - respect the ideas and the realities I put up. I have no need of respect (other than from the one who loves me).. but when ideas and reason are put out... there is a requirement for reason and ideas in return... not some outdated ideology based on some myth of oppression.

Do you have any idea how offensive that is to REAL people?

If y thine eye offend thee.. pluck it out....and see clearly...

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by The Grappler on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:21am

Setanta wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:17am:

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

He himself is one if he would allow it.

My wife is my other half, someone I need for grounding. She is the reason I do what I do. If it was up to me I'd just kill people.

I will never be a feminist as long as the sky holds the clouds..... I am a humanist and will oppose preferential treatment for some at the vast expense of the majority .... and will fight to the death for what I know to be right... and that is nowhere manifest in the feminist portfolio, which by its very name works for only feminists, and not even for real women.

If you do not understand what I say - you were never there.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by mothra on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:23am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:18am:

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

I respect the ideas you put up sometimes.

I take issue with you calling them realities. We all have our own realities. The trick is to ry to get along with as many people as possible.

I don;t think you comments on gender politics are reasoned or reallities. You are highly offensive to me often, but mostly i just let it wash over me, and count you as unlearned, Prejudiced. Ignorant.

I expect not to be slagged of in random sections of the forum in return for my patience.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by mothra on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:24am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:21am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:17am:

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

He himself is one if he would allow it.

My wife is my other half, someone I need for grounding. She is the reason I do what I do. If it was up to me I'd just kill people.

And again, you misunderstand utterly what feminism is all about.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Setanta on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:24am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:21am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:17am:

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

He himself is one if he would allow it.

My wife is my other half, someone I need for grounding. She is the reason I do what I do. If it was up to me I'd just kill people.

I am a humanist, it's why I don't differentiate.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Gnads on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:05am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

The trouble is that each woman has 10 or more kids so they multiply rapidly.

40 to 44 years is a very select few who are virtually past the prime reproduction age.

What about the other wives(polygamy in the one family) from 20 to 40?

Then the ones that are under 20?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Lord Herbert on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:15am

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

Whereas you lost the plot a long time ago?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Gnads on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:15am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:21am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:17am:

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

He himself is one if he would allow it.

My wife is my other half, someone I need for grounding. She is the reason I do what I do. If it was up to me I'd just kill people.

You'll have to rise up & start a MALENIST movement to fight the bias against & oppression of men by the Feminazis. ;D

I'll take a foundation membership ;)

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:14am

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

Most of the Muslims in Australia who have committed or planned acts of terror were born here. Nobody has ever attacked them. Their parents were given sanctuary.

Yes, we've had thousands of Muslims move here over the decades and we have ongoing terrorism investigations, ongoing Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squads. MEOCS Did you bother to watch that 4 Corners ep? 1000 Muslim fanatics rampaged thu Hyde Park just a few years ago. Is that something, or nothing?

The clear fact is, no other group is responsible for so much trouble.

If we turn our attention to Paris, Brussels, the only difference there is they have a higher % of Muslims than us.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Secret Wars on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:56am

GOOD FRIDAY AND VERY HAPPY EASTER, ESPECIALLY TO MY BELOVED CHRISTIAN NATION X!

And a happy Easter from the religion of peace to you as well Mr Shah.

And remember, Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin...

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:18am

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The clear fact is, no other group is responsible for so much trouble.

White Australians?

Correct.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Leftwinger on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am

Setanta wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population buy seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

You mean Australian society as it is? Just being a bit pedantic. I asked the ground beneath me but it didn't answer.

Australian society should move away from all religions.

Nailed it

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:27am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The clear fact is, no other group is responsible for so much trouble.

White Australians?

Correct.

I always wonder why Aboriginals haven't taken to arms and become terrorists. That's something I'd understand.

Greggy, is this something, or nothing?
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/11/23/4355252.htm

Greggy, is this something, or nothing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Sydney_anti-Islam_film_protests

Greggy, is this something, or nothing?
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/index.php/pot/article/view/364/717

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by miketrees on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:28am

Australian society should move away from all religions.

What religion is Martin Bryant?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:29am

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The clear fact is, no other group is responsible for so much trouble.

White Australians?

Correct.

I always wonder why Aboriginals haven't taken to arms and become terrorists. That's I'd understand.

Greggy, is this something, or nothing?
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/11/23/4355252.htm

Greggy, is this something, or nothing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Sydney_anti-Islam_film_protests

Have you ever wondered why you fill this forum with false statements?

"The clear fact is, no other group is responsible for so much trouble."

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:31am

miketrees wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Australian society should move away from all religions.

What religion is Martin Bryant?

He's a white Aussie.

The rightards love white Aussie criminals.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:31am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The clear fact is, no other group is responsible for so much trouble.

White Australians?

Correct.

Have you ever wondered why you fill this forum with false statements?

"The clear fact is, no other group is responsible for so much trouble."

Which ones are currently consuming so many ASIO and police resources? Please tell.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:35am

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

The clear fact is, no other group is responsible for so much trouble.

White Australians?

Correct.

Have you ever wondered why you fill this forum with false statements?

"The clear fact is, no other group is responsible for so much trouble."

Which ones are currently consuming so many ASIO and police resources? Please tell.

Caught out telling a lie, so then you change the subject.

Sneaky.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:41am

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

Most of the Muslims in Australia who have committed or planned acts of terror were born here. Nobody has ever attacked them. Their parents were given sanctuary

so we agree then that just because they come from a violent area doesn't mean they are violent once they get here. Some of the kids have issues, yes ... but that's got a lot to do with growing up and being called terrorists all their lives. The kids want to fit in and if they don't they'll go looking for someone who is more accepting. It's how all the fanatical groups, from neo nazi's to KKK to terrorist groups recruit.

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

Yes, we've had thousands of Muslims move here over the decades and we have ongoing terrorism investigations, ongoing Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squads. MEOCS Did you bother to watch that 4 Corners ep? 1000 Muslim fanatics rampaged thu Hyde Park just a few years ago. Is that something, or nothing?

The clear fact is, no other group is responsible for so much trouble.

Rubbish. We've have triad crime groups, mafia crime groups, Russian Mafia crime groups, Vietnamese, outlaw motorbike gangs, yakuza and so on and so on. No one is saying that some in the Muslim community don't have issues. But it's no more or less than in other communities. As police shut one down, the next group fills the void.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Secret Wars on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

No more or less than in other communities you say? No more?

You seriously suggesting an equivalency in breadth, scale or death toll between any of those groups and that of religion of peace cultists?

Maybe you should give security agencies world wide the benefit of your deep thinking and inform them they are massively overfunding to counter a threat that is "no more or less than" outlaw motorcycle gangs.

Clown is too mild a word to describe your affliction of relativistic cretinism.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:05am

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

security agencies world wide? we were talking about Australia you fool

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:09am

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

Maybe you should give security agencies world wide the benefit of your deep thinking and inform them they are massively overfunding to counter a threat that is "no more or less than" outlaw motorcycle gangs.

Outlaw motorcycle gangs cause much more trouble in Australia than any extreme religious groups.

You might want to spend a little less time watching the channel 7 "news", and a bit more time living in the real world.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Mr Hammer on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:16am

I personally believe that our government has to look at the different branches of Islam when immigration is concerned. I wouldn't let Sunni Muslims immigrate. Especially from Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq. I'd be careful with immigration from Pakistan and certain African Muslim countries. I believe most Shite Muslims are fine because they are a bit more modern in their thinking. Being selective like this should have been done from the start but the dumb asses in power didn't think it through.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Mr Hammer on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:17am

666

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:19am

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

666

is that tattooed on your forehead?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:09am

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

Most of the Muslims in Australia who have committed or planned acts of terror were born here. Nobody has ever attacked them. Their parents were given sanctuary

Funnily enough, of those you mention it's mostly the original immigrants and the next generation does well while the opposite happens with Islam.

I'm not an absolutist, but I look at what's happening in France, Brussels and the only difference I see is % of Muslims.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Mr Hammer on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:13am

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

666

is that tattooed on your forehead?

You have WW tattooed on both arse cheeks. When you pull them apart while "presenting" for your boyfriend it spells out WOW!!!

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Secret Wars on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:21am

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

security agencies world wide? we were talking about Australia you fool

The question cretin, is what % of religion of peace cultists is safe for Australia and looking to other western countries to see if any lessons can be learned.

You are the slow learning cretin blathering about OMG and drawing false equivalencies. The luvvie likes of you and fellow kumbaya trick cyclists would prefer a slow pedal toward embracing a future that is clearly signposted by explosions and body parts strewn in the streets.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:25am

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

666

is that tattooed on your forehead?

You have WW tattooed on both arse cheeks. When you pull them apart while "presenting" for your boyfriend it spells out WOW!!!

sounds like you've seen that before.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:27am

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

security agencies world wide? we were talking about Australia you fool

if you can't follow a conversation, perhaps you should start again.

I'd suggest you start with

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Secret Wars on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:28am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

;D real world, LOL, just keep repeating to yourself, Islam got nuffin do do wiv nuffin.

Meanwhile in the real world to which you remain oblivious real lessons can be learned by those with eyes and a willingness to see what is clearly in front of them.

You of course are excused, you submitted a long time ago.

8-)

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Secret Wars on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:29am

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:27am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

security agencies world wide? we were talking about Australia you fool

if you can't follow a conversation, perhaps you should start again.

I'd suggest you start with

I'd suggest you read the thread title but you are too busy apologising and mitigating. ;)

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Fireball on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:39am

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

666

is that tattooed on your forehead?

Unlike your "idiot" tattoo...

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Honky on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:07pm

Quote:

Note throughout the exponential scale of Islamic influence as the percentage of Muslim population per country increases. Comments in square brackets are my corrective interjections.

United States: 1.0
Australia: 1.5
Canada: 1.9
China: 1.0-2.0
Italy: 1.5
Norway: 1.8

"At 2% and 3% they [Muslims] begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs."

Denmark: 2.0
Germany: 3.7
United Kingdom: 2.7
Spain: 4.0
Italy: 4.6

"From 5% on they [Muslims] exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal ("clean" by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves - along with threats for failure to comply (United States)."

France: 8.0
Philippines: 5.0
Sweden: 5.0
Switzerland: 4.3
The Netherlands: 5.5
Trinidad & Tobago: 5.8

"At this point, they [Muslims] will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, or Islamic law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

"When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris - car burning). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam, Denmark - Mohammed cartoons, murder of Theo van Gogh)."

Guyana: 10.0
India: 13.4
Israel: 16.0
Kenya: 10.0
Russia: 10.0-15.0

The one anomaly in this set of statistics is Israel, which has not experienced uprisings and threats of violence. Its Arab or Muslim population enjoys equal political rights with Jewish Israelis. The suicide bombings and rocket attacks that have killed hundreds have been perpetrated by outsiders.

"After reaching 20% [of a population] expect hair-trigger rioting, Jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia: 32.8

"After 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:"

Bosnia: 40.0
Chad: 53.1
Lebanon: 59.7

"From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and jizya, the tax placed on [conquered] infidels:"

Albania: 70.0
Malaysia: 60.4
Qatar: 77.5
Sudan: 70.0

"After 80%, expect state-run ethnic cleansing and genocide:"

Bangladesh: 83.0
Egypt: 90.0
Gaza: 98.7
Indonesia: 86.1
Iran: 98.0
Iraq: 97.0
Jordan: 92.0
Morocco: 98.7
Pakistan: 97.0
Palestine: 99.0
Syria: 90.0
Tajikistan: 90.0
Turkey: 99.8
United Arab Emirates: 96.0

I question the inclusion of "Palestine" in this set. "Palestine" simply means space occupied by stateless "Palestinians" in Gaza and the West Bank, and is the name of the state which Islamists wish to replace Israel, once it is destroyed. Turkey, after decades of having a secular, non-religious government, is beginning to turn "religious," and seems to be yearning for the kind of Muslim government that cleansed the country in 1915 of non-Muslim Armenians in a genocide that predates the Holocaust.

"100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam' - the Islamic House of Peace' [more correctly, dar-al-Islam, or Land of Islam]. There is supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim."

Afghanistan: 100.0
Saudi Arabia: 100.0
Somalia: 100.0
Yemen: 99.9

"Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

Read more: Family Security Matters http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.520/pub_detail.asp#ixzz44465LfA8
Under Creative Commons License: Attribution

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:40pm

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

real world, LOL, just keep repeating to yourself, Islam got nuffin do do wiv nuffin.

Meanwhile in the real world to which you remain oblivious real lessons can be learned by those with eyes and a willingness to see what is clearly in front of them.

You of course are excused, you submitted a long time ago.

Outlaw motorcycle gangs cause much more trouble in Australia than any extreme religious groups.

Indisputable fact.

You might want to spend a little less time watching the channel 7 "news", and a bit more time living in the real world.

Or, do you support outlaw motorcycle gangs?

Are you one of those gutless bikies?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

Oooops.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/criminal-bikie-gangs-boost-numbers-with-young-muslim-and-eastern-european-recruits/story-fnihsrf2-1226733840346

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-braced-for-bikie-crime-rise-following-mohammad-akbar-keshtiers-release-20150115-12rk53.html

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:51pm

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:29am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:27am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

security agencies world wide? we were talking about Australia you fool

if you can't follow a conversation, perhaps you should start again.

I'd suggest you start with

I'd suggest you read the thread title but you are too busy apologising and mitigating. ;)

thread title specifies Australia ... but keep going, you seem to like making an ass of yourself

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:52pm

Fuzzball wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 11:39am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

666

is that tattooed on your forehead?

Unlike your "idiot" tattoo...

yes ... you probably had 'visions' of it along with all your other hallucinations

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:53pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

opps what? that doesn't change the fact that bikie gangs cause more trouble then muslims.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:02pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

"Ooops" what?

Outlaw motorcycle gangs cause much more trouble in Australia than any extreme religious groups.

Indisputable fact.

The Islamophobes have been caught out lying, again. Ooops.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

opps what? that doesn't change the fact that bikie gangs cause more trouble then muslims.

So lets just suppose for the sake of the argument Middle Easterners/Muslims have the same background level of criminality as all other races/countries.

Are you truly trying to tell me on top of this there is no ADDITIONAL issue with radical Islam?

Do you think the links I keep posting about Appleby, Pendennis are just police fabrications?

Back to criminality, have you noticed the HUGE gang
problem with Indians? Pretty Heavy, hey dude?
https://vimeo.com/19301794

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

"Ooops" what?

Outlaw motorcycle gangs cause much more trouble in Australia than any extreme religious groups.

Indisputable fact.

The Islamophobes have been caught out lying, again. Ooops.

Hey Gweggy, what country to OMCGs come from, OMCG-istan?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:26pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Are you truly trying to tell me on top of this there is no ADDITIONAL issue with radical Islam?

Nobody has suggested that at all.

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Do you think the links I keep posting about Appleby, Pendennis are just police fabrications?

Nobody has suggested that at all.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:27pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

Hey Gweggy, what country to OMCGs come from, OMCG-istan?

you're not seriously trying to imply that OMCG's are exclusive to middle eastern people? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:28pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

"Ooops" what?

Outlaw motorcycle gangs cause much more trouble in Australia than any extreme religious groups.

Indisputable fact.

The Islamophobes have been caught out lying, again. Ooops.

Hey Gweggy, what country to OMCGs come from, OMCG-istan?

Irrelevant.

Just as irrelevant as the countries the extreme religious nutters come from.

Outlaw motorcycle gangs cause much more trouble in Australia than any extreme religious groups. Indisputable fact.

The Islamophobes have been caught out lying, once again.

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by GordyL on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Are you truly trying to tell me on top of this there is no ADDITIONAL issue with radical Islam?

Nobody has suggested that at all.

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Do you think the links I keep posting about Appleby, Pendennis are just police fabrications?

Nobody has suggested that at all.

We're getting somewhere.

So...if the % of Muslims in Australia increases, will the level of issues with radical Islam increase in lockstep?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:44pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Are you truly trying to tell me on top of this there is no ADDITIONAL issue with radical Islam?

Nobody has suggested that at all.

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Do you think the links I keep posting about Appleby, Pendennis are just police fabrications?

Nobody has suggested that at all.

We're getting somewhere.

So...if the % of Muslims in Australia increases, will the level of issues with radical Islam increase in lockstep?

There's certainly the potential.

Who said there wasn't?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by BigOl64 on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 4:28pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Are you truly trying to tell me on top of this there is no ADDITIONAL issue with radical Islam?

Nobody has suggested that at all.

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Do you think the links I keep posting about Appleby, Pendennis are just police fabrications?

Nobody has suggested that at all.

We're getting somewhere.

So...if the % of Muslims in Australia increases, will the level of issues with radical Islam increase in lockstep?

There is no reason why it wouldn't, all evidence from europe says it is an absolute certainty

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by James on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 4:41pm

Svengali wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

Isn't that what the Aboriginals said around 1788 about pommie settlers in Australia?

Nope

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by Gnads on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 5:01pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:14am:

Most of the Muslims in Australia who have committed or planned acts of terror were born here. Nobody has ever attacked them. Their parents were given sanctuary

Yes groups of criminals ....

but there has not been a specially named Police Crime Squad specifically designated to each group ....

have we?

Title: Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Post by John Smith on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 5:43pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

but there has not been a specially named Police Crime Squad specifically designated to each group ....

have we?

yes we've had police crime squads to target each of those groups, and more