``Let’s be very plain,’’ said xxxxxx. ``Treasury modelling is that under our plan, following the abolition of the carbon tax, average families will be $380 a year better off as opposed to xxxxxxxx's plan, when fully implemented, which will leave them $1200 a year worse off.’’

Rudd.

So, we can close this redundant Thread.

The one that really lies about all this Carbon Price/ETS crap is the simian. Abolish the Carbon Price and there will be no reduction in electricity prices.

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John Howard Lie #1: "It is our policy, without qualification, to retain Medicare . . . Not only does Medicare stay but so does bulk billing . . . They are the fundamentals, the underpinnings of the policy." - John Howard, Health Policy launch of "A Healthy Future", 12 February 1996 The Truth: "No-one can guarantee bulk billing. No-one can guarantee bulk billing without conscripting the medical profession. Medicare has never been universal bulk billing-never . . ." - Tony Abbott, Minister for Health and Ageing, Meet the Press, 23 November 2003 John Howard Lie #2: "Medicare will be retained in its entirety." - John Howard, February 1996 The Truth: The Howard Government abolished the dental plan and bulk billing rates have declined by more than 12 percentage points since the Coalition took office in 1996. John Howard Lie #3: During the 2001 Federal election campaign John Howard promised that his Government's policies would "lead to reduced premiums" for health insurance. - "Heading in the Right Direction", p151 The Truth: Since the election in 2001, the Government has approved increases in premiums totalling 21 per cent. John Howard Lie #4: "I can guarantee we're not going to have $100,000 university degree courses." - John Howard, interview with Neil Mitchell on Radio 3AW, 15 October 1999 The Truth: 16 different degrees now cost at least $100,000. John Howard Lie #5: "We have no intention of introducing a loans scheme with a real or indeed any other rate of interest." - John Howard, in Parliament, 18 October 1999 The Truth: "Debts accrued under FEE-HELP will be indexed to the consumer price index . . . A loan fee of 20 per cent will apply to FEE-HELP loans for undergraduate courses of study only." - Higher Education Loan Programme, Department of Education, Science and Training Update, March 2004 John Howard Lie #6: "Well, it means that we'll not have deregulated fees. In other words, the Government will always maintain a control over what the level of the fee is." - John Howard, interview on Radio 3AW, 15 October 1999 The Truth: "We do need more money in our universities . . . and some of it should come outside the budget through a managed and sensible deregulation of the system." - John Howard in Parliament, 16 September 2003 John Howard Lie #7: John Howard: "No, there's no way that a GSTwill ever be part of our policy." Journalist: "Never ever?" John Howard: "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by the voters in the last election". - John Howard, interview, Tweed Heads Civic Centre, 2 May 1995 The Truth: "The bills before the House will enact a broad based goods and services tax that will be levied at 10 per cent and will start in July 2000." - Peter Costello, Treasurer, A New Tax System (Goods and Services Tax Bill), Second Reading Speech, 2 December 1998 John Howard Lie #8: "The GST will not increase the price of petrol for the ordinary motorist . . ." - John Howard, Address to the Nation on the Tax Plan, 13 August 1998 The Truth: The price of automotive fuel rose 10.4 per cent in the September quarter following the introduction of the GSTon 1 July 2000, and was 23.6 per cent higher than at the same time the previous year. - Australian Bureau of Statistics, ABS, Time Series Spreadsheets, Consumer Price Index 6401.0 John Howard Lie #9: "There'll be no more than a 1.9% rise in ordinary beer." - John Howard, John Laws Program, 23 September 1998 The Truth: The price of beer rose 4.8 per cent in the September quarter following the introduction of the GSTon 1 July 2000, and was 8.5 per cent higher than the same time the previous year. - Australian Bureau of Statistics, ABS, Time Series Spreadsheets, Consumer Price Index 6401.0 John Howard Lie #10: Journalist: "Will the number of pages in the Tax Act be reduced by the introduction of a GST?" Prime Minister: "Yes it will" - John Howard, interview Alan Jones Radio 2UE, 14 August 1998 The Truth:: ". . . the Tax Act has grown from 3,000 to over 9,000 pages and an additional 2.5 million words have been inserted into the Tax Act, since 1 July 2000. Apart from these overwhelming changes foisted onto small businesses, we now have over 2 million businesses registered under the GST, compared to less than 17,000 under the former sales tax regime." - National Tax & Accountants' Association, 15 August 2002 John Howard Lie #11: Kerry O'Brien: "Okay. the pledge of no new taxes, no increase in existing taxes for the life of the next parliament. So for the next three years, not even a one cent increase on cigarettes or beer or wine or petrol, no other indirect tax increase, no tax increase of any kind?" John Howard: "That promise is quite explicit". - John Howard, ABC 7:30 Report, 1 February 1996 The Truth: By 30 September 2002, John Howard's Government had introduced legislation for 130 new taxes or tax increases during its terms of office. "Bills which imposed a new tax or increased an existing tax introduced during the 38th to 40th Parliaments" - Clerk of the Senate, 30 October 2002

Oh dear - so many that they won't all fit in.....

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John Howard Lie #12: Labor MP question to the Prime Minister: "Prime Minister, was the government contacted by the major Australian producer of ethanol or by any representative of his company or the Industry Association before its decision to impose fuel excise on ethanol?" John Howard: "Speaking for myself, I did not personally have any discussions, from recollection, with any of them." - John Howard, Question Time, 17 September 2002 The Truth:: John Howard had met on 1 August the head of Manildra Group [Dick Honan], which makes 87 per cent of our ethanol, and they discussed how to help the Australian ethanol industry. - Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Official Record of Meeting, 1 August 2002 John Howard Lie #13: Interviewer: "Well, if the Budget's in such good shape why persist with things like the pension claw back . . ." John Howard: "No, no . . . because Glenn there is no clawback. And what happened with those things is that they were paid in advance and we're not taking them back, we're just avoiding paying them twice . . ." - John Howard, interview with Glenn Milne, Sunday Sunrise, 4 March 2001 John Howard Lie #14: "There has been no clawback, there has been no deduction and there has been no deceit". - John Howard, Parliament, 5 March 2001 The Truth: "The indexation adjustments to pensions and adult allowance rates for 20 March 2001 will have the additional issue of clawback . . . Two per cent of the existing rate will be deducted from the normal CPI adjustment . . ." - Department of Family and Community Services, internal briefing paper, quoted in Parliament, 5 March 2001 John Howard Lie #15: "I can promise you that we will follow policies which will, over a period of time, bring down the foreign debt . . . our first priority in Government economically will be to tackle the current account deficit." - John Howard, Doorstop interview, Debt Truck Launch, 20 September 1995 The Truth: Foreign debt was $361 billion at the end of September 2003, an increase of 90 per cent on the September 1995 level. The current account deficit was $11.9 billion at the end of September 2003, an increase of 112.5 per cent on the September 1995 level. - Australian Bureau of Statistics, ABS, Time Series Spreadsheets (Balance of Payments and Investment Position, Australia 5302.0, Reserve Bank of Australia (H) Bulletin, Current Account) John Howard Lie #16: Well, we're certainly going to maintain the existing level of funding for labour market programs". John Howard, Address to Youth, Macgregor, 20 February 1996 The Truth: Kerry O'Brien: "Okay. But on 20 February, you said very clearly 'We are certainly going to maintain the existing level of funding for labour market programs'. Now, for all the people on those labour market programs, I would suggest it to them that would have been a pretty core promise and you've broken it." John Howard: "Well, it is true that we are not spending as much money on labour market programs". - John Howard, interview on ABC 7:30 Report, 21 August 1996 John Howard Lie #17: "I don't want to see any further services, government service levels withdrawn from or taken away from the bush . . . I gave instructions for that this morning when I spoke to my office in Canberra, that in any future Government decisions that, in effect, a red light flashes if that Government decision involves a reduction in the delivery of an existing Commonwealth service." - John Howard, Nyngan Community Luncheon, 31 January 2000 The Truth: The Howard Government reduced the number of Job Network sites by 42 per cent, from 1710 to 986, and the number of outreach services by 65 per cent, from 404 to 140." Department of Employment and Workplace Relations, Employment Services Contract 2003-2006, Aggregate Analysis, March 2003 - Job Network Conditional Offers, Aggregate Analysis, December 1999 John Howard Lie #18: "The Government's position remains that we were advised by Defence that children were thrown overboard, we made those allegations on the basis of that advice, and until I get Defence advice to the contrary I will maintain that position". - John Howard, Sunrise, Channel 7, 9 November 2001 The Truth: "I left him in no doubt that there was no evidence, that there were no children thrown overboard." - Mike Scrafton, ABC 7:30 Report, 16 August 2004 John Howard Lie #19: ". . . the behaviour of a number of these people, [on Siev 4] particularly those involving throwing their children overboard . . ." - John Howard, ABC Radio 3LO Melbourne, 9 October 2001 The Truth: "There is no indication that children were thrown overboard." - Defence Strategic Command chronology to Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, noon on 10 October (quoted in Investigation into advice provided to Ministers on 'SIEV 4', 21 January 2002) John Howard Lie #20: "Nothing can alter the fact that I have in my possession an ONA report that states baldly . . . that children were thrown in the water." - John Howard, SBS Insight program, 8 November 2001 The Truth: ". . . fundamentally there was nothing to suggest that women and children had been thrown into the water." - Account of private conversation Acting Chief of the Defence Forces, Angus Houston, had with Peter Reith, Minister for Defence, on 7 November 2001, evidence given to the Senate Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Legislation Committee, 20 February 2002

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John Howard Lie #21: "The Australian Government knows that Iraq still has chemical and biological weapons and that Iraq wants to develop nuclear weapons." - John Howard, Speech to Parliament before the war in Iraq, 4 February 2003 The Truth: "I stand by the fact that before we entered the war, we had a very strong intelligence assessment that Iraq had a WMD capability." - John Howard, interview with Charles Wooly, 60 Minutes program, after the war in Iraq, 20 July 2003 John Howard Lie #22: "Iraq continues to work on developing nuclear weapons-uranium has been sought from Africa that has no civil nuclear application in Iraq; . . ." - John Howard, Ministerial Statement, before the war in Iraq, 4 February 2003 The Truth: ". . . an intelligence claim about Iraq's effort to acquire uranium from Africa proved to be erroneous." - Foreign Minister Alexander Downer, Sydney Morning Herald, after the war in Iraq, 18 June 2003 John Howard Lie #23: "The Government has decided to commit Australian forces to action to disarm Iraq because we believe it is right, it is lawful and it's in Australia's national interest. We are determined to join other countries to deprive Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction, its chemical and biological weapons, which even in minute quantities are capable of causing death and destruction on a mammoth scale." - John Howard, Address to the Nation, before the war in Iraq, 20 March 2003 The Truth: "We entered the war in Iraq based upon the failure of the Iraqi government at the time to comply with United Nations' resolutions . . ." - John Howard, Press Conference, after the war, 22 July 2003 John Howard Lie #24: Journalist: In your talks tomorrow, especially at the Pentagon, do you expect to lock in a possible role for Australia if, further down the track we do decide to join a coalition of the willing? Prime Minister: Look there have been contingency discussions going on between the American and the Australian military and it's always important in these situations to leave those sorts of things to the militaries of the two countries - John Howard, Press Conference, Washington, 9 February 2003 The Truth: Journalist: "Could you tell us whether you count Australia as part of the coalition of the willing?" President Bush: "Yes, I do". - George W Bush, President of the United States, Oval Office remarks with John Howard, Washington, the next day, 10 February 2003 John Howard Lie #25: ". . . we will ask the Auditor-General to draw up new guidelines on what is an appropriate use of taxpayers' money in this area. There is clearly a massive difference between necessary Government information for the community and blatant Government electoral propaganda. Propaganda should be paid for by political parties." - John Howard, Press Release, "Auditor-General to examine Government Advertising", 5 September 1995 The Truth: The Howard Government never asked the Auditor-general to examine Government Advertising and they completely ignored the advertising guidelines recommended by the Auditor-General in 1998. In the lead up to the 2004 election the government plans to spend at least $120 million on government advertising. "In relation to future government advertising, we will explain government policies where it is necessary. We make absolutely no apology for that . . . The truth of the matter is that all governments . . . from time to time have advertised and explained the features of new policies." - John Howard, Question Without Notice, Hansard, 22 June 2004 John Howard Lie #26: "Our plans . . . will involve not replacing . . . up to 2,500 positions over the first term of a Coalition Government-a process of natural attrition with no forced redundances." - Coalition Public Administration policy document Election Campaign February 1996 The Truth: In the first term of the Howard Government, 32,400 jobs were lost. - Budget Papers, 1997-1999 John Howard Lie #27: On a promised savings bonus: "You get the $1,000 savings bonus if you are 60 years or over." ". . . in addition to the pension increases, there's the saving bonus for everybody at sixty years or beyond of a thousand, an additional two thousand for self-funded retirees at pensioner age." - John Howard, Prime Minister, John Howard, interviews on Radio 5AA, 14 August 1998, and Sunday program, 16 August 1998 The Truth: "It was very clear that pensioners who had income from savings of up to $20,000 could be eligible for the $1,000 bonus and that from $20,000 to $30,000, depending on their income, the bonus would alter." - Larry Anthony, Minister for Community Services, Parliament, 28 June 2000 ". . . Almost 60 per cent of Australians have received the full $1,000 and nearly 75 per cent of those older Australians have received $500 or more . . ." - Larry Anthony, Minister for Community Services, Parliament, 29 November 2000 John Howard Lie #28: Journalist: "why won't it [private health insurance] create a two-tier health system? . . ." John Howard: "Well, it won't create a two-tiered health system . . ." - John Howard, interview on AM program, 5 February 1996 The Truth: "I think country voters are very strongly supportive of the two-tiered system." - John Anderson, Deputy Prime Minister, Press Conference, 23 August 2004

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John Howard Lie #29: "I know the welfare sector is particularly anxious about the effect of welfare reform on the most vulnerable in our community. In response to that very natural concern, I want to re-state the assurances I have previously given . . . nobody's benefit will be cut as a result of changes to the social security system". - John Howard, address to ACOSS Congress, 25 October 2001 The Truth: In the 2002 Federal Budget the Howard Government announced that it would cut the pensions of 200,000 people with disabilities, and last year he cut the allowances of 30,000 parents caring for children with a disability. John Howard Lie #30: "[The cycle of family debts] won't be repeated, and with the benefit of the information we now have we're going to be able to more closely target people." - John Howard, Sunday Program, 1 July 2001 The Truth: Data provided to Senate Estimates shows almost 2.4 million families accrued family and child care benefit overpayments over the last three years. Family Tax Benefit overpayments have hit 1.9 million families and child care overpayments have hit 500,000 families. John Howard Lie #31: "This ministerial Guide . . . sets out in summary form the main principles, conventions and rules by which government at the Commonwealth level is conducted . . . The emphasis in the Guide is on the necessity of adherence to high standards by people occupying positions of public trust . . . " - John Howard, Press Release, 2 April 1996 "The guidelines that were laid down in this document will be complied with in full." - John Howard, Parliament, 7 May 1996 The Truth: Seven Howard ministers resigned for breaches of the Guidelines, but nine further ministers did not comply with the Guidelines and did not resign. John Howard Lie #32: "The Coalition will seek to invest the Speaker of the next parliament with greater independence, similar to his or her counterpart at Westminster. This will require the positive response of the Labor Party. For our part the commitment is genuine and on-going." - John Howard, Headland Speech, The Role of Government: a Liberal Approach, 6 June 1995 The Truth: Eight and a half years later, John Howard's commitment appears to be "on-going" but not genuine. The Speaker's position remains a partisan political appointment. The Prime Minister has never sought to change the role or sought Labor's support for changes to the Speaker's position to enhance its independence. John Howard Lie #33: ". . . it would be the intention of the Coalition that Parliament sit for longer periods." - John Howard, Headland Speech, The Role of Government: a Liberal Approach, 6 June 1995 The Truth: Between 1997 and 2003, Parliament sat for an average of 18 weeks a year under John Howard--the same as the average sitting period for the Keating Government. John Howard Lie #34: "The Coalition in government will also establish a stronger comprehensive committee system for parliamentary scrutiny of all government legislation" - John Howard, Headland Speech, The Role of Government: a Liberal Approach, 6 June 1995 The Truth: John Howard has introduced no reforms to establish a stronger comprehensive committee system for Parliamentary scrutiny of all government legislation. John Howard Lie #35: "A coalition Government will provide in full the funds earmarked in the 1995/­96 Budget to match compulsory employee contributions according to the proposed schedule; will deliver this Government contribution into superannuation or like savings . . . " - Coalition Superannuation Policy Document, January 1996 The Truth: "The Government has decided not to pursue the co-contribution proposal, . . . Instead, it will use part of the funds set aside in the forward estimates to introduce a broadly based savings rebate through the tax system." - Budget 1997/98

http://www.awu.net.au/news/truth-overboard-35-lies-told-john-howard-and-counting

Howard, a terrible Treasurer, a far worse PM: divisive, spending recklessly after 1998 when he lost the popular vote, feeding a credit fuelled real estate boom that is still affecting public finances even NOW! On the remotest possible acquaintance with the truth.

Kat, Kat, Kat...

Grown men still talk about John Howard in hushed terms .
Women faint at his name.

Shame Leftards Shame!

its interesting how Howard is still Australias BEST  PM.


JOHN Howard has been named Australia’s best prime minister of the past 40 years, followed by Bob Hawke, with Gough Whitlam and Kevin Rudd tying for third place.

The poll, conducted last week by Essential Research and provided exclusively to The Australian, shows that 39 per cent of voters ranked Mr Howard, the Liberal prime minister from 1996 to 2007, as the best.

Labor’s Mr Hawke was rated as the best prime minister by 14 per cent of voters. A further 8 per cent of voters chose Mr Whitlam while another 8 per cent selected Mr Rudd.

Paul Keating was named best prime minister by 7 per cent, placing him fifth overall. In sixth and seventh place, respectively, were Julia Gillard (4 per cent) and Malcolm Fraser (3 per cent). Tony Abbott’s score tied with Mr Fraser.

Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of Coalition voters selected Mr Howard as the top prime minister among the eight who have served in the position since December 1972.

Labor voters spread their choice more widely. Mr Hawke (1983-91) was the choice of 21 per cent of Labor voters, followed by Mr Rudd (2007-10, 2013) with 16 per cent support, Mr Howard (15 per cent) and Mr Keating (1991-96) with 13 per cent.

Labor voters rated Mr Howard as a better prime minister than Ms Gillard (2010-13), Mr Keating or Mr Whitlam (1972-75).

Coalition voters rated Mr Hawke as better than Mr Fraser (1975-83) and Mr Abbott, in the job for just six months. There is not much love for Ms Gillard or Mr Fraser in their own parties - just 8 per cent of Labor voters nominated Ms Gillard as the best prime minister, while only 4 per cent of Coalition voters named Mr Fraser as the best.

Of the 1007 online respondents, 45 per cent nominated a Liberal prime minister and 41 per cent nominated a former Labor prime minister. Fourteen per cent did not nominate anyone.

The most popular former prime minister among Greens voters was Mr Whitlam, with 22 per cent support, followed by Mr Hawke (19 per cent) and Ms Gillard (16 per cent).

Mr Howard was the most popular choice among men (43 per cent) and women (35 per cent). He was also strongly favoured by all age groups but his biggest support was among respondents aged 55 and older (48 per cent).

A January 2012 Essential Research poll, which asked voters to rate prime ministers from 1941 to 2012, saw respondents rate Mr Howard as the best prime minister (33 per cent) followed by Mr Rudd and Mr Hawke, who tied in second place at 15 per cent each.

A January 2009 poll found Mr Howard was rated best by 28 per cent of respondents, followed by Mr Rudd (20 per cent) and Mr Hawke (12 per cent).

Mr Howard was the best PM.  Well one cannot imagine why.      :(      

Frances wrote on Mar 20^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

And again..... Quote: John Howard Lie #29: "I know the welfare sector is particularly anxious about the effect of welfare reform on the most vulnerable in our community. In response to that very natural concern, I want to re-state the assurances I have previously given . . . nobody's benefit will be cut as a result of changes to the social security system". - John Howard, address to ACOSS Congress, 25 October 2001 The Truth: In the 2002 Federal Budget the Howard Government announced that it would cut the pensions of 200,000 people with disabilities, and last year he cut the allowances of 30,000 parents caring for children with a disability. John Howard Lie #30: "[The cycle of family debts] won't be repeated, and with the benefit of the information we now have we're going to be able to more closely target people." - John Howard, Sunday Program, 1 July 2001 The Truth: Data provided to Senate Estimates shows almost 2.4 million families accrued family and child care benefit overpayments over the last three years. Family Tax Benefit overpayments have hit 1.9 million families and child care overpayments have hit 500,000 families. John Howard Lie #31: "This ministerial Guide . . . sets out in summary form the main principles, conventions and rules by which government at the Commonwealth level is conducted . . . The emphasis in the Guide is on the necessity of adherence to high standards by people occupying positions of public trust . . . " - John Howard, Press Release, 2 April 1996 "The guidelines that were laid down in this document will be complied with in full." - John Howard, Parliament, 7 May 1996 The Truth: Seven Howard ministers resigned for breaches of the Guidelines, but nine further ministers did not comply with the Guidelines and did not resign. John Howard Lie #32: "The Coalition will seek to invest the Speaker of the next parliament with greater independence, similar to his or her counterpart at Westminster. This will require the positive response of the Labor Party. For our part the commitment is genuine and on-going." - John Howard, Headland Speech, The Role of Government: a Liberal Approach, 6 June 1995 The Truth: Eight and a half years later, John Howard's commitment appears to be "on-going" but not genuine. The Speaker's position remains a partisan political appointment. The Prime Minister has never sought to change the role or sought Labor's support for changes to the Speaker's position to enhance its independence. John Howard Lie #33: ". . . it would be the intention of the Coalition that Parliament sit for longer periods." - John Howard, Headland Speech, The Role of Government: a Liberal Approach, 6 June 1995 The Truth: Between 1997 and 2003, Parliament sat for an average of 18 weeks a year under John Howard--the same as the average sitting period for the Keating Government. John Howard Lie #34: "The Coalition in government will also establish a stronger comprehensive committee system for parliamentary scrutiny of all government legislation" - John Howard, Headland Speech, The Role of Government: a Liberal Approach, 6 June 1995 The Truth: John Howard has introduced no reforms to establish a stronger comprehensive committee system for Parliamentary scrutiny of all government legislation. John Howard Lie #35: "A coalition Government will provide in full the funds earmarked in the 1995/­96 Budget to match compulsory employee contributions according to the proposed schedule; will deliver this Government contribution into superannuation or like savings . . . " - Coalition Superannuation Policy Document, January 1996 The Truth: "The Government has decided not to pursue the co-contribution proposal, . . . Instead, it will use part of the funds set aside in the forward estimates to introduce a broadly based savings rebate through the tax system." - Budget 1997/98 http://www.awu.net.au/news/truth-overboard-35-lies-told-john-howard-and-counting

Yeah yeah yeah the famous 35 lies which were all mostly bullshyt...  some people are so deluded and ignorant of the real facts it aint funny.  Did them over many years ago. :D ::) :D

Grendel wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 6:49am:

Did them over many years ago.

So you're saying that the passage of time means that they're not lies any more?

wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 5:52am:

Mr Howard was the best PM.  Well one cannot imagine why.      :(

you prefer weak... back stabbing.. debt...ouch another low in the polls.. lets change leaders...no balance balance sheets.

fair enough.

Quoting the AWU now Francine??? LMAO!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Frances wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 6:56am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:49am: Did them over many years ago. So you're saying that the passage of time means that they're not lies any more?

No I'm saying even at the time most of them were just ALP propaganda lies oh and yes...  they still are.
You're not really up on current affairs of politics are you if you actually can't tell lies and propaganda from facts and reality.

wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 5:52am:

Mr Howard was the best PM.  Well one cannot imagine why.      :(

John had very good intuition.
He had very good "emotional intelligence"
I believe bob hawke also had this.
It is the ability to "absorb" by "osmosis" the "mood " of the electorate.
You cant teach this stuff.
You have it or you dont,
Its slightly feminine, like a "womans intuition"

I feel shorten has shown he doesnt have it and milne and the greens never have.
My gut instincts and i think the gut instincts of all those who are in tune with the electorate would say that labor have made a terrible mistake by siding with the greens and blocking this.
They have really played directly into abbotts hands.
Amazing that people can make it to the top of the pile and yet have such bad instincts.
My instincts tell me labor had a great opportunity to split with the greens and make a statement but they have missed it.
Abbott will sleep very well knowing he has a party of "emotionally unintelligent ' people to manipulate.

Little Johnny led from behind the whole 12 years he was PM. He fanned a credit–fuelled real estate boom, spent taxpayers money recklessly on pork and buying elections and generally mucked up economic management so much his mess is still causing problems.

I will agree the simian doesn’t have Little Johnny’s caution. Just a wrecker is the simian, acting purely from motives of hatred for his infinite betters and wanting to destroy what they built. Hence he is on the low end of 54:46 and never had a honeymoon and 100K people already have marched once to protest his idiotic policies.

His destruction of the NBN is going to cause HUGE problems as the Boomers age and grow increasingly frail and need to be supported by a relatively smaller workforce. It is also causing high unemployment and lack of growth in non mining&agriculture.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 7:00am:

Quoting the AWU now Francine???

So?  You keep referring to Daily Telegraph articles.....

hehehehe the little moronic righties here would be lost without the DT  ;D

Frances wrote on Mar 21^st, 2014 at 6:56am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:49am: Did them over many years ago. So you're saying that the passage of time means that they're not lies any more?

most of them weren't lies in the first place.

Whatever.....