http://www.usdl.info/modules/news_english/item.php?itemid=85

We are generally behind Europe by 5 years or so,is europe finally falling and abu and falah are right in their thinking that we should all be muslims?..are we waiting on the ok from the UK so we realy shouldn't do anything until they fall?..perhaps we should wait until the usa gets a bit worried about the situation?....At what point would you become concerned if there was becoming a majority in australia?...a majority in parliament?...a majority when you are walking down the street perhaps?...perhaps we are getting concerned even now with our constant grievance with boat people and we don't realise it?...is it realy a concern or just our "automatic game saying" of whatever spot or abu says and we just like to stand a good old argument?

There will be a bloodbath before Europe falls.
There always is.

Soren wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

There will be a bloodbath before Europe falls. There always is.

You mean more of the kind of stuff your mate Breivik did?

As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining, ideologically they have nothing, their way of life is a failure, and so it will be swept away by an ideology that deserves to be implemented.

And all their offspring (ie. former European colonies like us) will eventually follow suit. The future is for Islam, you know it, and you will eventually submit to it!!!

;D :D ;D :D ;D

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:06pm: There will be a bloodbath before Europe falls. There always is. You mean more of the kind of stuff your mate Breivik did? As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining, ideologically they have nothing, their way of life is a failure, and so it will be swept away by an ideology that deserves to be implemented. And all their offspring (ie. former European colonies like us) will eventually follow suit. The future is for Islam, you know it, and you will eventually submit to it!!! ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Europe has beaten back Muslim invasions before, at least twice. It will not fold quietly  this time either, certainly not to primitivism (ie Islam).

Give them economic uncertainty and the beast will come out again.

Europe is indeed ripe for a renewal but Islam is not it. Islam is for primitive people, it is for the taming the desert pagans and Aboriginese and Indonesians and Malays and other backward races. It will not be taken up by any sophisticated civilisation, no matter how enervated. They might as well go back to their own primitive, pagan roots, which they have always been nostalgic about. They don't need some stupid Arab joke of a superstition. They have their own paganism.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:06pm: There will be a bloodbath before Europe falls. There always is. You mean more of the kind of stuff your mate Breivik did? As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining, ideologically they have nothing, their way of life is a failure, and so it will be swept away by an ideology that deserves to be implemented. And all their offspring (ie. former European colonies like us) will eventually follow suit. The future is for Islam, you know it, and you will eventually submit to it!!! ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Spot! Spot! Where the bugger are you? The plan couldn't be any clearer if it was spelt out letter by letter.

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 11:25pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:02pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:06pm: There will be a bloodbath before Europe falls. There always is. You mean more of the kind of stuff your mate Breivik did? As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining, ideologically they have nothing, their way of life is a failure, and so it will be swept away by an ideology that deserves to be implemented. And all their offspring (ie. former European colonies like us) will eventually follow suit. The future is for Islam, you know it, and you will eventually submit to it!!! ;D :D ;D :D ;D Spot! Spot! Where the bugger are you? The plan couldn't be any clearer if it was spelt out letter by letter.

Heh well looks like sarcasm to me . . . ..

I guess you got me then - abu is going to single handedly take over the world.

BTW you used the wrong sock to call me then . . . .

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:19am:

Quantum wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:25pm: abu_rashid wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:02pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:06pm: There will be a bloodbath before Europe falls. There always is. You mean more of the kind of stuff your mate Breivik did? As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining, ideologically they have nothing, their way of life is a failure, and so it will be swept away by an ideology that deserves to be implemented. And all their offspring (ie. former European colonies like us) will eventually follow suit. The future is for Islam, you know it, and you will eventually submit to it!!! ;D :D ;D :D ;D Spot! Spot! Where the bugger are you? The plan couldn't be any clearer if it was spelt out letter by letter. Heh well looks like sarcasm to me . . . .. I guess you got me then - abu is going to single handedly take over the world. BTW you used the wrong sock to call me then . . . . SOB

No single rain drop causes a flood, but that doesn't mean that each rain drop isn't part of the cause of one.

By the way, your tiresome sock accusations just makes you look desperate to avoid discussing the point. No ones buying it.

Quantum wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 8:49am:

As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining

Curiously coinciding with the influx of millions of muselmen... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP1J3HXOZIc

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining, ideologically they have nothing, their way of life is a failure

Why are so many Muslims flocking to Europe then?

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:06pm: There will be a bloodbath before Europe falls. There always is. You mean more of the kind of stuff your mate Breivik did? As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining, ideologically they have nothing, their way of life is a failure, and so it will be swept away by an ideology that deserves to be implemented. And all their offspring (ie. former European colonies like us) will eventually follow suit. The future is for Islam, you know it, and you will eventually submit to it!!! ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Salaam Aleikum, my brother. Insh'allah, this man will submit. He knows it.

He struggles now with his committment to the faith, but he shall repent in time. He shall surely be judged.

Better he submits now than later, brother in Gud.

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 10:26am:

Quantum wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 8:49am: As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining Curiously coinciding with the influx of millions of muselmen...

I think you have the wrong person quoted :)

I think you're right.

Sorry for the insult - I wouldn't want to be mistaken for a white muslim convert. 

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:19am:

I think you're right. Sorry for the insult - I wouldn't want to be mistaken for a white muslim convert.

This man also, brother in Gud. Insh'allah, he too shall submit.

Sorry brah, submission ain't my thang. 

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:06pm: There will be a bloodbath before Europe falls. There always is. You mean more of the kind of stuff your mate Breivik did? As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining, ideologically they have nothing, their way of life is a failure, and so it will be swept away by an ideology that deserves to be implemented. And all their offspring (ie. former European colonies like us) will eventually follow suit. The future is for Islam, you know it, and you will eventually submit to it!!! ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Well, you are right that it is in intellectual decline, but that is only because it has grown weak and allowed the neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists).
This will continue for some time, as their egalitarian slogans have the good conscience on its side, but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again. Unfortunately for you, it won't be Islam. Islam offers nothing practical; it's purely sloganeering injected with mysticism.
The Anglo-Saxon geist in particular works on a more empirical level; therefore your mystical preaching won't gain much traction.

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neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists).

Haha where are these so called neo-marxists and anarchists exactly?

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but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again.

Yeah cause people are going to trust gits like you again hey

sorry for going off topic, but why do you always preface your inane ramblings with "hahahaha"? 

I note SOB does the same..I guess you 2 have a lot in common.

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:54am:

sorry for going off topic, but why do you always preface your inane ramblings with "hahahaha"?  I note SOB does the same..I guess you 2 have a lot in common.

Well when he gives a legitimate answer I will retract them, until then its a pretty funny joke; hey looks like you have something in common with it.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:42am:

Quote: neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists). Haha where are these so called neo-marxists and anarchists exactly? [quote]but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again.

Yeah cause people are going to trust gits like you again hey[/quote]

Neo-Marxism and anarchism exists in the undermining of every facet of Western civilization. This occurs on numerous fronts. In the main, it is a relentless criticism of everything the West stands for. You are part of it.
Have you heard of or read any Gramsci and his 'long march through the institutions'?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:42am: Quote: neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists). Haha where are these so called neo-marxists and anarchists exactly? [quote]but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again. Yeah cause people are going to trust gits like you again hey

Neo-Marxism and anarchism exists in the undermining of every facet of Western civilization. This occurs on numerous fronts. In the main, it is a relentless criticism of everything the West stands for. You are part of it.
Have you heard of or read any Gramsci and his 'long march through the institutions'? [/quote]
I won't say haha but cmon man that is pretty ridiculous.
What has criticising bad things the west does got to do with Marxism and anarchism?

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:25am:

Sorry brah, submission ain't my thang.

This, insh'allah, is denial. Our brother old boy say same thang, but he always submits in the end.

Alah Uakbar, he is like Doris Day in Pillow Talk.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:06pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:03pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:42am: Quote: neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists). Haha where are these so called neo-marxists and anarchists exactly? [quote]but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again. Yeah cause people are going to trust gits like you again hey Neo-Marxism and anarchism exists in the undermining of every facet of Western civilization. This occurs on numerous fronts. In the main, it is a relentless criticism of everything the West stands for. You are part of it. Have you heard of or read any Gramsci and his 'long march through the institutions'?

I won't say haha but cmon man that is pretty ridiculous.
What has criticising bad things the west does got to do with Marxism and anarchism?

[/quote]


If you're familiar with the zeitgeist of the West before the 1960s, and if you're familiar with Marxism and all its strands, you'll see the connections.

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:06pm:

... wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:25am: Sorry brah, submission ain't my thang.  This, insh'allah, is denial. Our brother old boy say same thang, but he always submits in the end. Alah Uakbar, he is like Doris Day in Pillow Talk.

Ah.  Well I'm more like the dude out of 50 shades of grey.  A favourite of yours I believe?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:11pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:06pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:03pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:42am: Quote: neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists). Haha where are these so called neo-marxists and anarchists exactly? [quote]but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again. Yeah cause people are going to trust gits like you again hey Neo-Marxism and anarchism exists in the undermining of every facet of Western civilization. This occurs on numerous fronts. In the main, it is a relentless criticism of everything the West stands for. You are part of it. Have you heard of or read any Gramsci and his 'long march through the institutions'? I won't say haha but cmon man that is pretty ridiculous. What has criticising bad things the west does got to do with Marxism and anarchism?

If you're familiar with the zeitgeist of the West before the 1960s, and if you're familiar with Marxism and all its strands, you'll see the connections.
[/quote]I think you need to remove the tin foil hat.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:14pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:11pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:06pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:03pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:42am: Quote: neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists). Haha where are these so called neo-marxists and anarchists exactly? [quote]but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again. Yeah cause people are going to trust gits like you again hey Neo-Marxism and anarchism exists in the undermining of every facet of Western civilization. This occurs on numerous fronts. In the main, it is a relentless criticism of everything the West stands for. You are part of it. Have you heard of or read any Gramsci and his 'long march through the institutions'? I won't say haha but cmon man that is pretty ridiculous. What has criticising bad things the west does got to do with Marxism and anarchism? If you're familiar with the zeitgeist of the West before the 1960s, and if you're familiar with Marxism and all its strands, you'll see the connections.

I think you need to remove the tin foil hat.[/quote]


I think you need to read up on the intellectual history of the West. When you do then we can then have a conversation.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:17pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:14pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:11pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:06pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:03pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:42am: Quote: neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists). Haha where are these so called neo-marxists and anarchists exactly? [quote]but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again. Yeah cause people are going to trust gits like you again hey Neo-Marxism and anarchism exists in the undermining of every facet of Western civilization. This occurs on numerous fronts. In the main, it is a relentless criticism of everything the West stands for. You are part of it. Have you heard of or read any Gramsci and his 'long march through the institutions'? I won't say haha but cmon man that is pretty ridiculous. What has criticising bad things the west does got to do with Marxism and anarchism? If you're familiar with the zeitgeist of the West before the 1960s, and if you're familiar with Marxism and all its strands, you'll see the connections. I think you need to remove the tin foil hat.

I think you need to read up on the intellectual history of the West. When you do then we can then have a conversation.[/quote]
The people you are calling marxists and anarchists are just criticising bad things our governments do, without that dictatorship which is worse then communism can develop.

It goes much deeper than that. It's a particular mindset or disposition toward the government and world.

Compare some of the classical liberal thinkers to today's postmodernists, for example.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:27pm:

It goes much deeper than that. It's a particular mindset or disposition toward the government and world. Compare some of the classical liberal thinkers to today's postmodernists, for example.

A mindset that strangely only comes out when the government or western world does something despicable.

What are you expecting people to just stay the same? 100 years ago riding a horse was manly and now its sissy.

http://alettertothetimes.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/the-frankfurt-school-and-cultural-marxism-a-primer/

As good a starting point as any. 

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:29pm:

http://alettertothetimes.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/the-frankfurt-school-and-cultural-marxism-a-primer/ As good a starting point as any.  How deep does the rabbit hole go?

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Most Americans look back on the 1950s as a good time. Our homes were safe, to the point where many people did not bother to lock their doors. Public schools were generally excellent, and their problems were things like talking in class and running in the halls. Most men treated women like ladies, and most ladies devoted their time and effort to making good homes, rearing their children well and helping their communities through volunteer work. Children grew up in two–parent households, and the mother was there to meet the child when he came home from school. Entertainment was something the whole family could enjoy. What happened?

Financial system.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:31pm:

... wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:29pm: http://alettertothetimes.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/the-frankfurt-school-and-cultural-marxism-a-primer/ As good a starting point as any.  How deep does the rabbit hole go? Quote: Most Americans look back on the 1950s as a good time. Our homes were safe, to the point where many people did not bother to lock their doors. Public schools were generally excellent, and their problems were things like talking in class and running in the halls. Most men treated women like ladies, and most ladies devoted their time and effort to making good homes, rearing their children well and helping their communities through volunteer work. Children grew up in two–parent households, and the mother was there to meet the child when he came home from school. Entertainment was something the whole family could enjoy. What happened? Financial system.

The "financial system" isn't exactly a new invention.

Keep going.

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:34pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:31pm: ... wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:29pm: http://alettertothetimes.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/the-frankfurt-school-and-cultural-marxism-a-primer/ As good a starting point as any.  How deep does the rabbit hole go? Quote: Most Americans look back on the 1950s as a good time. Our homes were safe, to the point where many people did not bother to lock their doors. Public schools were generally excellent, and their problems were things like talking in class and running in the halls. Most men treated women like ladies, and most ladies devoted their time and effort to making good homes, rearing their children well and helping their communities through volunteer work. Children grew up in two–parent households, and the mother was there to meet the child when he came home from school. Entertainment was something the whole family could enjoy. What happened? Financial system. The "financial system" isn't exactly a new invention. Keep going.

Quote:

I think you need to read up on the history of the West Financial Sytem. When you do then we can then have a conversation.

Brickwall if you must, I'm only trying to help.

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:36pm:

Brickwall if you must, I'm only trying to help.

So you are of the position that the financial system has stayed exactly the same since the 50's?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:27pm: It goes much deeper than that. It's a particular mindset or disposition toward the government and world. Compare some of the classical liberal thinkers to today's postmodernists, for example. A mindset that strangely only comes out when the government or western world does something despicable. What are you expecting people to just stay the same? 100 years ago riding a horse was manly and now its sissy.

The neo-Marxists always, always criticize Western countries, but give every non-Western country a free pass. The latest classic example is the Taliban. The Taliban can do no wrong, but the West is always wrong. 
The so-called humanitarian brigade always turn a blind eye to the abuses in non-Western countries. Why is that? It's because deep down in every Marxist is a hatred for their own country and people. A hatred so sublime it is expressed in sneaky humanitarian catchphrases.
This is only one facet. Elvis has highlighted another above.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:40pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:29pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:27pm: It goes much deeper than that. It's a particular mindset or disposition toward the government and world. Compare some of the classical liberal thinkers to today's postmodernists, for example. A mindset that strangely only comes out when the government or western world does something despicable. What are you expecting people to just stay the same? 100 years ago riding a horse was manly and now its sissy. The neo-Marxists always, always criticize Western countries, but give every non-Western country a free pass. The latest classic example is the Taliban. The Taliban can do no wrong, but the West is always wrong.  The so-called humanitarian brigade always turn a blind eye to the abuses in non-Western countries. Why is that? It's because deep down in every Marxist is a hatred for their own country and people. A hatred so sublime it is expressed in sneaky humanitarian catchphrases. This is only one facet. Elvis has highlighted another above.

Can you understand why some people might find it a bit trivial and pointless to criticise a country half way round the world when their own country is doing just as bad and in many cases much worse things. Not many people actually give non-western countries a free pass, they just don't focus on it as much as people like you do when you go in heat.
Who says the Taliban can do no wrong? The West is not always wrong proved by the fact that the same people you are calling marxists will praise it when it does good stuff. You cannot deny that.
The idea that speaking out against it is marxist or anarchists is actually a paradox when I think about it because you will note that these people are trying to improve it not destroy it. Your logic is deeply flawed.

Which humanitarian brigade? I see the biggest ones often focusing on non western countries, more so then they do the West.

True marxism is not created by a hatred for someones own country, that statement is pretty ignorant.

Your logic is flawed.

World changes = Blame soup nazi

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:42am: Quote: neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists). Haha where are these so called neo-marxists and anarchists exactly? [quote]but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again. Yeah cause people are going to trust gits like you again hey

Neo-Marxism and anarchism exists in the undermining of every facet of Western civilization. This occurs on numerous fronts. In the main, it is a relentless criticism of everything the West stands for. You are part of it.
Have you heard of or read any Gramsci and his 'long march through the institutions'? [/quote]

I don't understand, Misty. Aren't you criticising the West by criticising anarchism/Marxism?

In fact, Bolshevik Destroyer, aren't most of your posts criticisms of what you see as some all-encompassing leftist intellectual bloc?

Seems to me that you're criticising the West there.

Not that there's anything wrong with it. Honky's living in denial too. 

Only insofar as diagnosing an illness is "criticising" the person suffering from it. 

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 1:36pm:

Only insofar as diagnosing an illness is "criticising" the person suffering from it.

Good metonym. That's exactly what Bolshie seems to be doing.

Do we blame the mentally ill? Sometimes we do. It's a bit pointless though.

Same with ideological zealots. They don't change by being beaten over the head. Their denial is huge - which is why psychoanalysis was meant to take so long. Denial is the ego's mechanism for coping with neurosis.

Most change is slow. Everyone responds differently.

You'll submit eventually, Honky. All do. It's unavoidable.

You could say I've already submitted to my nature -  the one true master. 

It is you denialists who continue to fight it, in the vain hope that "it'll be different this time".  It won't.

Envision human nature as a rip.  Those who swim against it inevitably tire and die, while those who go with the flow live to fight another day. 

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:06pm:

You could say I've already submitted to my nature -  the one true master.  It is you denialists who continue to fight it, in the vain hope that "it'll be different this time".  It won't. Envision human nature as a rip.  Those who swim against it inevitably tire and die, while those who go with the flow live to fight another day.

Yes, my frien, you are human natures. This is herd instinct, I sympathise with you. It is a fight always.

Some rare peoples choose the Gudly nature - much harder! This is a fight too - a fight against the human natures. You must try hard, isn't it.

The jihad is within, friendy.

You said earlier you were in Vietnam?

You cant be Pakistani and in Vietnam war - one of them is a lie.

Which is it?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:56pm:

You said earlier you were in Vietnam? You cant be Pakistani and in Vietnam war - one of them is a lie. Which is it?

Ah, friendy, there are many contradictions in the worlds, isn't it. Are you really Jewish? Are you Israeli? A soldier? A mensch? A man?

All are divided. And all is one, isn't it.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:56pm:

You said earlier you were in Vietnam? You cant be Pakistani and in Vietnam war - one of them is a lie. Which is it?

One thing you should know about Karnal - EVERYTHING he says is a lie, or at best, wilfully dishonest.
 

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:04pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:56pm: You said earlier you were in Vietnam? You cant be Pakistani and in Vietnam war - one of them is a lie. Which is it? Ah, friendy, there are many contradictions in the worlds, isn't it. Are you really Jewish? Are you Israeli? A soldier? A mensch? A man? All are divided. And all is one, isn't it.

All of those things i am and they are all correct.
You can be a man, a mensch (possessing the menschkeit), a FORMER soldier, a proud Israeli (and US citizen) - and currently proud to say I am enjoying my year here in Australia.

I have found 99% of aussies to be very friendly and open.

BUT i know you can not be Pakistani and a Vietnam veteran.

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:06pm:

You could say I've already submitted to my nature -  the one true master.  It is you denialists who continue to fight it, in the vain hope that "it'll be different this time".  It won't. Envision human nature as a rip.  Those who swim against it inevitably tire and die, while those who go with the flow live to fight another day.

Don't you get annoyed at it being the same people controlling that rip tho?
I think change is necessary even if it does end up corrupt again, at least you tried and at least its not the same people at the top.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:18pm:

... wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:06pm: You could say I've already submitted to my nature -  the one true master.  It is you denialists who continue to fight it, in the vain hope that "it'll be different this time".  It won't. Envision human nature as a rip.  Those who swim against it inevitably tire and die, while those who go with the flow live to fight another day.  Don't you get annoyed at it being the same people controlling that rip tho? I think change is necessary even if it does end up corrupt again, at least you tried and at least its not the same people at the top.

I used to. 
Then I realised the weight of the world needn't be on my shoulders.  I'll do what's best for me and mine, and everyone else can sort out their own poo, or go to hell.  You'll just drive yourself crazy and get nowhere otherwise.

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:24pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 3:18pm: ... wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:06pm: You could say I've already submitted to my nature -  the one true master.  It is you denialists who continue to fight it, in the vain hope that "it'll be different this time".  It won't. Envision human nature as a rip.  Those who swim against it inevitably tire and die, while those who go with the flow live to fight another day.  Don't you get annoyed at it being the same people controlling that rip tho? I think change is necessary even if it does end up corrupt again, at least you tried and at least its not the same people at the top. I used to.  Then I realised the weight of the world needn't be on my shoulders.  I'll do what's best for me and mine, and everyone else can sort out their own poo, or go to hell.  You'll just drive yourself crazy and get nowhere otherwise.

Sounds like communism

No it doesn't. 

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:34pm:

No it doesn't.

Submit

to what?

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:14pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:56pm: You said earlier you were in Vietnam? You cant be Pakistani and in Vietnam war - one of them is a lie. Which is it? One thing you should know about Karnal - EVERYTHING he says is a lie, or at best, wilfully dishonest.

Yes, my friend, it is true. And yet it is false. The same can be said for all, isn't it.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 3:04pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:56pm: You said earlier you were in Vietnam? You cant be Pakistani and in Vietnam war - one of them is a lie. Which is it? Ah, friendy, there are many contradictions in the worlds, isn't it. Are you really Jewish? Are you Israeli? A soldier? A mensch? A man? All are divided. And all is one, isn't it. All of those things i am and they are all correct. You can be a man, a mensch (possessing the menschkeit), a FORMER soldier, a proud Israeli (and US citizen) - and currently proud to say I am enjoying my year here in Australia. I have found 99% of aussies to be very friendly and open. BUT i know you can not be Pakistani and a Vietnam veteran.

My good fellow, Pakistan is a state of mind. It is not a place.

Many are Pakistanee.

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:37pm:

to what?

To the Will of Gud. All must submit - now or in the end. Your body will die whether it is liberated by a soldier of Allah or not.

May Allah have mercy on your soul.

Pakistan is a country.

Look at what is in their passport.


Nice people aren't they?

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Wouldn't that mean that Israel said it isn't valid?

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:53pm:

... wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 3:37pm: to what? To the Will of Gud. All must submit - now or in the end. Your body will die whether it is liberated by a soldier of Allah or not. May Allah have mercy on your soul.

I'll submit to MY understanding of "gud" and not that of some 7th century dune c00n, thank you very much.  Luckily, my "gud" giveth not a bugger what we do, so it's a system that works well for me.

And it can work well for you too.  To share in the secrets of eternal happiness and prosperity, just send 4 easy payments of $49.95....

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:01pm:

Wouldn't that mean that Israel said it isn't valid?

No.
Pakistan forbids its citizens from traveling to Israel and the passport is invalid if they do.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:02pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:01pm: Wouldn't that mean that Israel said it isn't valid? No. Pakistan forbids its citizens from traveling to Israel and the passport is invalid if they do.

Ok, sounds fair enough.
A lot of people didn't support Apartheid SA either.

Sounds like they don't want us going to Israel.

There is no apartheid in Israel though.

A small difference.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:02pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:01pm: Wouldn't that mean that Israel said it isn't valid? No. Pakistan forbids its citizens from traveling to Israel and the passport is invalid if they do.

The US does the same with Cuba. You're lucky. As an Israeli, you can go wherever you want.

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Sounds like they don't want us going to Israel.

So it's that simnple to keep you bastards out? 

I wanna speak to the man in charge of passport design....

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:04pm: Sounds like they don't want us going to Israel. So it's that simnple to keep you bastards out?  I wanna speak to the man in charge of passport design....

You'll have to get Prevailing on the phone.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:04pm:

There is no apartheid in Israel though. A small difference.

Hmm.

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:05pm:

... wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:05pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:04pm: Sounds like they don't want us going to Israel. So it's that simnple to keep you bastards out?  I wanna speak to the man in charge of passport design.... You'll have to get Prevailing on the phone.

Pfft.  Everyone knows prevailing is just a puppet.  Corporate Whitey is the one pulling the strings.

... wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:05pm: ... wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:05pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:04pm: Sounds like they don't want us going to Israel. So it's that simnple to keep you bastards out?  I wanna speak to the man in charge of passport design.... You'll have to get Prevailing on the phone. Pfft.  Everyone knows prevailing is just a puppet.  Corporate Whitey is the one pulling the strings.

They used to say the same thing about Matty. Now we know.

Matty's the one with all the string.

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:02pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:01pm: Wouldn't that mean that Israel said it isn't valid? No. Pakistan forbids its citizens from traveling to Israel and the passport is invalid if they do. The US does the same with Cuba. You're lucky. As an Israeli, you can go wherever you want.

Countries which do not permit Israeli passport holders

Afghanistan
Algeria
Bangladesh
Brunei
Djibouti
Iran
Iraq
Kuwait
Lebanon
Libya
Malaysia
Pakistan
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
United Arab Emirates
Yemen

Note: According to Israeli law, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen and Iran are considered "Enemy countries" and an Israeli citizen may not visit them without a special permit issued by the Israeli minister of the interior.

Therefore, an Israeli who visits these countries, be it with a foreign passport or an Israeli one, may be prosecuted when coming back to Israel.



* This is why I often must use my US passport *

Ah, yes: your US passport to which I was referring.

Israel is a state of mind too, no?

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Ah, yes: your US passport to which I was referring. Israel is a state of mind too, no?

Israel is a nation state.

As it will always be.

They didn't have nation states when they wrote the Bible, Avram.

Israel means "struggle with Gud", no?

Israel isn't a nation state and he never was.

He is a talented rugby league player, turned shithouse AFL player.

http://www.sbm21.com/EldersRealEstateCleveland/images/003606-israel-folau-broncos-nrl.jpg

It can be many things as you know.

Technically from bible times - the land of Israel is the land promised by God Himself to my people.

All peoples should have a land, my friend. Atlantians, Mu-ans, Aztecs, Incans, all.

All that is solid melts into air, isn't it.

As above, so below.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:26pm:

It can be many things as you know. Technically from bible times - the land of Israel is the land promised by God Himself to my people.

One of the things it is, is a replica of Nazi Germany.

So can you prove that god exists and can you prove that you are a descendant of those people?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:26pm: It can be many things as you know. Technically from bible times - the land of Israel is the land promised by God Himself to my people. One of the things it is, is a replica of Nazi Germany. So can you prove that god exists and can you prove that you are a descendant of those people?

Was Nazi Germany a democracy?
Want to know who the only democracy in the Middle East is?

Did Nazi Germany unilaterally give up land like we do in Gaza?
Did Nazi Germany allow 1.5m of traditional enemies live amongst us and have the same rights to vote?

Here is a question - how come Israel allows Arabs to live with us but Arabs don't allow us to enter their country?

Apartheid? Nazism? You know better.

We are a democratic nation state, founded by Ben Gurion and we are a proud people with a strong economy and strong people.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:35pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:28pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 4:26pm: It can be many things as you know. Technically from bible times - the land of Israel is the land promised by God Himself to my people. One of the things it is, is a replica of Nazi Germany. So can you prove that god exists and can you prove that you are a descendant of those people? Was Nazi Germany a democracy? Want to know who the only democracy in the Middle East is? Did Nazi Germany unilaterally give up land like we do in Gaza? Did Nazi Germany allow 1.5m of traditional enemies live amongst us and have the same rights to vote? Here is a question - how come Israel allows Arabs to live with us but Arabs don't allow us to enter their country? Apartheid? Nazism? You know better. We are a democratic nation state, founded by Ben Gurion and we are a proud people with a strong economy and strong people.

::)

What do you expect to achieve with the relentless hounding about Israel?

Self loathing is a condition almost exclusive to liberal honkies.  You're never going to talk anyone into it. 

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:26pm:

It can be many things as you know. Technically from bible times - the land of Israel is the land promised by God Himself to my people.

You are very blessed to have a land, my friend.

We Pakistanee Vietnam vets do not have such a land.

Liberal honkies have much land, isn't it. Take the Clivee Palmer fellow. He has five daughters also.

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western apol. wrote Can you understand why some people might find it a bit trivial and pointless to criticise a country half way round the world when their own country is doing just as bad and in many cases much worse things.

Of course this completely falls apart when you and all the other the trendies relentlessly criticize the USA and Israel.




Quote:

western apol. wrote The idea that speaking out against it is marxist or anarchists is actually a paradox when I think about it because you will note that these people are trying to improve it not destroy it. Your logic is deeply flawed.

How do they try and improve it? These movements are one of negation. They affirm nothing except for slogans like 'tolerance,' which mean nothing until you put them in context of 'tolerating something.'

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 1:23pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:03pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:42am: Quote: neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists). Haha where are these so called neo-marxists and anarchists exactly? [quote]but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again. Yeah cause people are going to trust gits like you again hey Neo-Marxism and anarchism exists in the undermining of every facet of Western civilization. This occurs on numerous fronts. In the main, it is a relentless criticism of everything the West stands for. You are part of it. Have you heard of or read any Gramsci and his 'long march through the institutions'?

I don't understand, Misty. Aren't you criticising the West by criticising anarchism/Marxism?

In fact, Bolshevik Destroyer, aren't most of your posts criticisms of what you see as some all-encompassing leftist intellectual bloc?

Seems to me that you're criticising the West there.

Not that there's anything wrong with it. Honky's living in denial too.  [/quote]


We went through this before. The difference between the neo-Marxist types and the Conservatives is that the former are a movement of negation, where as the latter is one of affirmation. The only time the conservatives usually negate is when they're trying to stop the neo-Marxists from destroying the place.

The place? As far as I can tell, said neo-Marxists wanted the state to take over the means of production - not my favourite path to happiness, but there you have it.

Your brand of conservatism wanted exactly the same. Mussolini, Franco, various Latin-American dictators - all favoured the state controlling the cartels and industries they propped up: one nation, one blood, one leader.

I'm not being tricky here. I honestly can't see the difference.

From what I've seen from the self-professed conservatives on this site, they're the most negative cluck of whingers around. Curtain-peepers and bin-straighteners, every last one. 

I am more of a fan of the 'small government' conservatives. Although the government still has a role to play.
And, the cultural Marxists that exist today are different from the traditional 'worker's revolution' Marxists.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 7:01pm:

I am more of a fan of the 'small government' conservatives. Although the government still has a role to play. And, the cultural Marxists that exist today are different from the traditional 'worker's revolution' Marxists.

Bolshie, you're as small government as the pope. It sounds nice when you're fighting a cold war, but once the Bolshies are gone it's game-on.

"Cultural leftists" like Gramsci wanted state capitalism too. The only practical difference is they wanted it to be electorally driven and democratic - not a dictatorship of the proletariat. Democracy means much more than 40% of the vote and a media monopoly. For the Greeks, it could not function beyond small city states where everyone knew their leaders.

We do not live in a democracy. At least the Amerikans are honest. They call their state a republik - as do the French. 

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:35am:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:02pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:06pm: There will be a bloodbath before Europe falls. There always is. You mean more of the kind of stuff your mate Breivik did? As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining, ideologically they have nothing, their way of life is a failure, and so it will be swept away by an ideology that deserves to be implemented. And all their offspring (ie. former European colonies like us) will eventually follow suit. The future is for Islam, you know it, and you will eventually submit to it!!! ;D :D ;D :D ;D Well, you are right that it is in intellectual decline, but that is only because it has grown weak and allowed the neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists). This will continue for some time, as their egalitarian slogans have the good conscience on its side, but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again. Unfortunately for you, it won't be Islam. Islam offers nothing practical; it's purely sloganeering injected with mysticism. The Anglo-Saxon geist in particular works on a more empirical level; therefore your mystical preaching won't gain much traction.

No, it has grown weak because it has abandoned all moral anchorage and debased itself to a state of wayward hedonism, which does nothing but misguide.

Soren wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

Europe has beaten back Muslim invasions before, at least twice. It will not fold quietly  this time either, certainly not to primitivism (ie Islam).

That was pure luck. Muslims just weren't focusing as much as they should've been. Internal struggles within the Umayyad and later Ottoman societies diverted their attention from Europe. They took large swathes of it though, and will do so again, insha'allah.

Time for Neo-Andalusianism  ;)


Soren wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

Europe is indeed ripe for a renewal but Islam is not it. Islam is for primitive people, it is for the taming the desert pagans and Aboriginese and Indonesians and Malays and other backward races. It will not be taken up by any sophisticated civilisation, no matter how enervated. They might as well go back to their own primitive, pagan roots, which they have always been nostalgic about. They don't need some stupid Arab joke of a superstition. They have their own paganism.

Hate to break it to ya sunshine, but never heard of the Albanians or Bosnians? And of course the Andalusians for several centuries?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 5:44pm:

Quote: western apol. wrote Can you understand why some people might find it a bit trivial and pointless to criticise a country half way round the world when their own country is doing just as bad and in many cases much worse things. Of course this completely falls apart when you and all the other the trendies relentlessly criticize the USA and Israel. [quote]western apol. wrote The idea that speaking out against it is marxist or anarchists is actually a paradox when I think about it because you will note that these people are trying to improve it not destroy it. Your logic is deeply flawed.

How do they try and improve it? These movements are one of negation. They affirm nothing except for slogans like 'tolerance,' which mean nothing until you put them in context of 'tolerating something.'


[/quote]
And I thought you might be smart enough to leave your argument which I have completley destroyed to rot, but apparently not.
Before you say I didn't completley destroy it, why don't you reply to the other 90% of my points that you have convientley ignored?

The USA and Israel have more influence on Australian politics then the Australian public does.

Think about it, if these 'marxists' thought the things they were speaking out against were really as bad as they say, wouldnt they ignore them so it can destroy the country rather then point it out so people can try and stop/fix it????

Your ignorance is amazing and your last two sentences prove that, you know you cannot attack what the people are talking about so you attack them over and over.
When will you have the balls to admit you cannot debunk their claims?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 7:01pm:

I am more of a fan of the 'small government' conservatives. Although the government still has a role to play. And, the cultural Marxists that exist today are different from the traditional 'worker's revolution' Marxists.

It sounds nice in a fair and equal system but if you haven't noticed, we don't have one.

You have failed to prove that cultural marxists exist in the form that you are claiming so stop spruking the idea until you can back it up with some facts.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/-_Brickwall_01_-.jpg

Thank you Wesley for another perfect example of not being able to debunk a persons claims, so you attack them instead.
The brick wall has be souly built by you two. You have presented no evidence to back up your claims and you ignore 90% of the stuff I post.
If you can't defend your claims then why not just leave?

Do you even understand yet why you were banned so many times?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 11:36am:

Thank you Wesley for another perfect example of not being able to debunk a persons claims, so you attack them instead. The brick wall has be souly built by you two. You have presented no evidence to back up your claims and you ignore 90% of the stuff I post. If you can't defend your claims then why not just leave?

What's wrong with the wall? If you ask me, it's one of Wesley's better posts: enigmatic, succinct and undidactic.

Keep them coming, Honky.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:28pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:39pm: Europe is indeed ripe for a renewal but Islam is not it. Islam is for primitive people, it is for the taming the desert pagans and Aboriginese and Indonesians and Malays and other backward races. It will not be taken up by any sophisticated civilisation, no matter how enervated. They might as well go back to their own primitive, pagan roots, which they have always been nostalgic about. They don't need some stupid Arab joke of a superstition. They have their own paganism. Hate to break it to ya sunshine, but never heard of the Albanians or Bosnians? And of course the Andalusians for several centuries?

;D

I rest my case.

You had a case to rest?

Add to the list Sicily, Malta, parts of southern Italy and even some regions of France for quite a while too. Europe has a very long history with Islam, and one day soon will return back to it, insha'allah.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:24pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:35am: abu_rashid wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:02pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:06pm: There will be a bloodbath before Europe falls. There always is. You mean more of the kind of stuff your mate Breivik did? As you and I both know, Europe is intellectually declining, ideologically they have nothing, their way of life is a failure, and so it will be swept away by an ideology that deserves to be implemented. And all their offspring (ie. former European colonies like us) will eventually follow suit. The future is for Islam, you know it, and you will eventually submit to it!!! ;D :D ;D :D ;D Well, you are right that it is in intellectual decline, but that is only because it has grown weak and allowed the neo-Marxist and anarchist types to dominate the intellectual discourse. (Actually, it has grown weak because of the neo-Marxists and anarchists). This will continue for some time, as their egalitarian slogans have the good conscience on its side, but wait for another large economic downturn and the course of the West will change, again. Unfortunately for you, it won't be Islam. Islam offers nothing practical; it's purely sloganeering injected with mysticism. The Anglo-Saxon geist in particular works on a more empirical level; therefore your mystical preaching won't gain much traction. No, it has grown weak because it has abandoned all moral anchorage and debased itself to a state of wayward hedonism, which does nothing but misguide.

But how has it debased itself? Through the slow infiltration of neo-Marxist ideas.

Quote:

But how has it debased itself? Through the slow infiltration of neo-Marxist ideas.

Your claims of this have been debunked so please stop spreading the lie.

Quote:

western apol. wrote And I thought you might be smart enough to leave your argument which I have completley destroyed to rot, but apparently not.

It hasn't even gotten started yet.




Quote:

The USA and Israel have more influence on Australian politics then the Australian public does.

I see. Care to outline this in some detail?


Quote:

western apol. wrote Think about it, if these 'marxists' thought the things they were speaking out against were really as bad as they say, wouldnt they ignore them so it can destroy the country rather then point it out so people can try and stop/fix it????

You'll have to elaborate on this. Who is 'they'?




Quote:

Your ignorance is amazing and your last two sentences prove that, you know you cannot attack what the people are talking about so you attack them over and over. When will you have the balls to admit you cannot debunk their claims?

What the f*ck are you on about?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 3:02pm:

Quote: But how has it debased itself? Through the slow infiltration of neo-Marxist ideas. Your claims of this have been debunked so please stop spreading the lie.

Debunked?
You don't even know what you're talking about. You've already shown your ignorance of the intellectual history of the West. If you don't know of the cultural battles of the past 100 years or so, how can you even claim to debunk it?

Elvis provided a link on cultural Marxism above, I suggest you read it and you'll see what they were fighting against and how their ideas have trickled down into today's Zeitgeist. You'll then (maybe) be able to engage in some sort of discussion.

Western Apologist is Political Puppet, Saul Goodman etc. He keeps changing his name so that people pay attention to him.

Yeah, I know it's him.

freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 3:19pm:

Western Apologist is Political Puppet, Saul Goodman etc. He keeps changing his name so that people pay attention to him.

Different name, same hatred and abuse.

Still nothing to back up your claims MM?
Very poor effort.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2012 at 3:19pm: Western Apologist is Political Puppet, Saul Goodman etc. He keeps changing his name so that people pay attention to him. Different name, same hatred and abuse.

:'(
This must be a compliment coming from a filthy terrorist.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 1:24pm:

You had a case to rest? Add to the list Sicily, Malta, parts of southern Italy and even some regions of France for quite a while too. Europe has a very long history with Islam, and one day soon will return back to it, insha'allah.

Islam is the Lilliput of our time, rent by a division along Big Endian/Little Endian lines. All Islam can do is export and spread its internal strife. It has absolutely nothing, NOTHING else to offer the world.

The last time Islam had something was 800 years ago. Since then, nothing, except sectarian violence, division, petty-fogging nonsense arguments about beards, arse-wiping, wife murder.
If Europe turns to such an Islam, it deserves the hell it is entering into.

But it won't. Your mistake is to think that 'nice' Europe is all there is to Europe. You forget, or ignore, that European history is more savage than any other. When the blond beast get going, there is no room for 'nice'. 'Nice' has been the bromide keeping the beast in check. It's wearing off.

You do not seriously think that 2500 years of historical experience, outlook, self-recognition and memory is made null and void by WWII and the EU, do you?i

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 7:12pm:

European history is more savage than any other.

Glad we can agree on something. Now if only you'd realise Islam is in fact the diametric opposite of it. It is the civilised, moral, sensible culture. But it is honest, unlike Europe, which you've just admitted is in fact brutish and wild.


Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 7:12pm:

You do not seriously think that 2500 years of historical experience, outlook, self-recognition and memory is made null and void by WWII and the EU, do you?

Europe's history of "civilisation" has largely been one of it hanging off the Middle East. As Europe embraces its destiny, then it will become a part of the Middle East (ie. of the cradle of civilisation) and so it will no longer need to be a "hanger on", but will become a fully fledged part of it. It will, in effect, finally attain what it has always striven to be.

Abu's turned to comedy as his angle of recruitment.

Yes... but there is a little truth in most jokes, don't forget that  ;)

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 8:57pm:

Yes... but there is a little truth in most jokes, don't forget that  ;)

Yes. This is the truth in your joke:

Islam is the Lilliput of our time, rent by a division along Big Endian/Little Endian lines. All Islam can do is export and spread its internal strife. It has absolutely nothing, NOTHING else to offer the world.