FDA admits in court case that vaccines still contain mercury

http://www.naturalnews.com/035432_vaccines_mercury_court_case.html
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2012/04/02/fda-admits-in-court-case-that-vaccines-still-contain-mercury/



Quote:

It is a common myth today that the vaccines administered to children no longer contain the toxic additive thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative linked to causing permanent neurological damage. But a recent federal case involving the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has revealed that, contrary to this widely-held belief, thimerosal is actually still present in many batch vaccines, including in the annual influenza vaccine that is now administered to children as young as six months old.

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Mercury-Based Vaccine Preservative Lives On

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/03/23/44979.htm


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The Food and Drug Administration is not liable for approving a mercury-based vaccine preservative because more expensive, mercury-free vaccines are available upon request, a federal judge ruled.      Thimerosal is a mercury-based compound that is FDA-approved as a vaccine preservative. Organizations such as the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs, however, have expressed concern about the preservative.

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Mercury is the second most toxic element on earth to plutonium. Toxicity of mercury has been linked to many different diseases, including autism, learning disabilities, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, lupus, chronic fatigue syndrome, arthritis, depression, and bipolar disorder. The amount of mercury found in one mercury thermometer is enough to pollute a small lake. Health effects of mercury toxicity have been a concern because of the potential for it to act as a poison. Toxic doses of mercury can cause developmental effects in the fetus, as well as affecting the kidney and the nervous system in children and adults. Mercury exists in a number of different chemical forms, each one consisting of different levels of toxicity. The forms of mercury can also be converted from one to another in the environment and in the body, so symptoms caused by mercury poisoning depends on the precise chemical forms involved. Mercury can be toxic when inhaled, eaten, or when placed on the skin. Low concentrations of mercury may appear to have no effect but signs of toxicity can develop later or become more noticeable with continued exposure. When toxicity in humans takes place loss of feeling or a burning sensation in arms and legs, psychological effects, loss of memory, loss of vision, loss of hearing, paralysis, congenital malformations, kidney toxicity, and death may occur. Prenatal toxicity can result in a child with normal appearance at birth but who later exhibits a developmental delay in the ability to walk and/or talk. Because of the long latent period for observable effects, the need for treatment may be recognized too late. Health effects vary according to the amount of mercury exposure is taken into the body. The health risks of mercury at low levels of exposure remain uncertain, but this continues to be a highly debatable topic with ongoing scientific investigation. Fetuses, infants and small children appear to be particularly sensitive to mercury because their brains are still developing. Vaccines with mercury have been considered to contribute to autism, learning disabilities, Alzheimer’s Disease, and other neurological conditions, and an FDA review conducted in 1998 determined that, at the time, children who received the full complement of childhood vaccines were potentially exposed to levels of mercury that were sometimes 30 to 50 times the acceptable levels established by the EPA. High-level exposures to mercury can cause serious effects or even be lethal. Several historical examples of epidemic mercury poisonings in other parts of the world provide classic examples of investigative epidemiology and toxicology and serve to highlight the reasons why regulators are concerned about mercury. Effects on the brain and nervous system are frequently seen with high-level exposures to mercury and can be quite severe.

And just to show how much they care:

FDA Won't Ban BPA Chemical in Packaging

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/fda-rejects-ban-bpa/story?id=16038492


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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced today that it won't ban bisphenol A (BPA), the controversial chemical that is widely used in food packaging.

They keep talking about the mercury, but what about the formaldehyde and the antifreeze and the aluminium that we inject into the bloodstreams of newly born babies?

Neither of my kids have ever had a single vaccination.  :) i




...and now let the accusations of "bad parenting" "no right to have kids" "wanting children to die" etc etc begin!

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:36am:

They keep talking about the mercury, but what about the formaldehyde and the antifreeze and the aluminium that we inject into the bloodstreams of newly born babies?

You make a good point.
When an important issue like this reaches the surface and gains credibility the official bodies, media etc tend to focus on a very small part of the big picture.

It is good to see the FDA actually admit it tho, even tho it will continue seeming as big pharma controls the regulation and everything else.

But o well, its only kids lives isn’t it.

If you don't like it, never use Mercurochrome and don't burn natural gas either. Have you checked your soap for mercury content? If the caustic soda was produced by a mercury diaphragm process then your soap may actually contain mercury.

Again, it's all a question of the dose.  There is a safe dose, especially when it comes to a single shot vaccine.

It was Paracelsus who said:


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Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy.

All preservatives are by nature hazardous in some way.

By the way (Jasignature may know) but I'm pretty sure that they stopped using thiomersal (correct spelling) in Australia years ago.  Don't stop vaccinating your kids. The consequences of that are far worse.

... wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:41am:

Neither of my kids have ever had a single vaccination.  :) i ...and now let the accusations of "bad parenting" "no right to have kids" "wanting children to die" etc etc begin!

You know some parents actually get their kids taken away for that.

But it seems you made a very smart decision:

New Study: Vaccinated Children Have 2 to 5 Times More Diseases and Disorders Than Unvaccinated Children

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/236170-New-Study-Vaccinated-Children-Have-2-to-5-Times-More-Diseases-and-Disorders-Than-Unvaccinated-Children


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Preventable Vaccine-induced Diseases A German study released in September 2011 of about 8000 UNVACCINATED children, newborn to 19 years, show vaccinated children have at least 2 to 5 times more diseases and disorders than unvaccinated children. The results are presented in the bar chart below; the complete data and study results are here. The data is compared to the national German KIGGS health study of the children in the general population. Most of the respondents to the survey were from the U.S. (Click on the chart to see it better)

http://www.sott.net/image/image/s4/83712/full/vaxunvaxstudy.png

... wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:41am:

Neither of my kids have ever had a single vaccination.  :) i ...and now let the accusations of "bad parenting" "no right to have kids" "wanting children to die" etc etc begin!

Good for you, Wesley. Really. My son had his first immunisation  a couple of months ago - tetanus. He's almost 6 years old.

If I had another child, it would be the same.

My doctor supports me completely.

muso wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:44am:

If you don't like it, never use Mercurochrome and don't burn natural gas either. Have you checked your soap for mercury content? If the caustic soda was produced by a mercury diaphram process then your soap may actually contain mercury. Again, it's all a question of the dose.  There is a safe dose, especially when it comes to a single shot vaccine. It was Paracelsus who said: Quote: Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy. All preservatives are by nature hazardous in some way. By the way (Jasignature may know) but I'm pretty sure that they stopped using thiomersal (sp?) in Australia years ago.  Don't stop vaccinating your kids. The consequences of that are far worse.

Please tell that to the people who have had their lives ruined by vaccinations.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:48am:

muso wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:44am: If you don't like it, never use Mercurochrome and don't burn natural gas either. Have you checked your soap for mercury content? If the caustic soda was produced by a mercury diaphram process then your soap may actually contain mercury. Again, it's all a question of the dose.  There is a safe dose, especially when it comes to a single shot vaccine. It was Paracelsus who said: Quote: Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy. All preservatives are by nature hazardous in some way. By the way (Jasignature may know) but I'm pretty sure that they stopped using thiomersal (sp?) in Australia years ago.  Don't stop vaccinating your kids. The consequences of that are far worse. Please tell that to the people who have had their lives ruined by vaccinations.

You think that's worse than the risk of Polio?

muso wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:53am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:48am: muso wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:44am: If you don't like it, never use Mercurochrome and don't burn natural gas either. Have you checked your soap for mercury content? If the caustic soda was produced by a mercury diaphram process then your soap may actually contain mercury. Again, it's all a question of the dose.  There is a safe dose, especially when it comes to a single shot vaccine. It was Paracelsus who said: Quote: Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy. All preservatives are by nature hazardous in some way. By the way (Jasignature may know) but I'm pretty sure that they stopped using thiomersal (sp?) in Australia years ago.  Don't stop vaccinating your kids. The consequences of that are far worse. Please tell that to the people who have had their lives ruined by vaccinations. You think that's worse than the risk of Polio?

Well yes in the sense that people are profiting off vaccinations.

muso wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:53am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:48am: muso wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:44am: If you don't like it, never use Mercurochrome and don't burn natural gas either. Have you checked your soap for mercury content? If the caustic soda was produced by a mercury diaphram process then your soap may actually contain mercury. Again, it's all a question of the dose.  There is a safe dose, especially when it comes to a single shot vaccine. It was Paracelsus who said: Quote: Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy. All preservatives are by nature hazardous in some way. By the way (Jasignature may know) but I'm pretty sure that they stopped using thiomersal (sp?) in Australia years ago.  Don't stop vaccinating your kids. The consequences of that are far worse. Please tell that to the people who have had their lives ruined by vaccinations. You think that's worse than the risk of Polio?

I'm sure you've probably got memories of Polio and the damage it caused, and it'd be hard to forget - but there comes a point when you say "you know, I think the threat has passed"
How long do we have to keep immunising for a disease that is, for all intents and purposes, gone.  We don't seem to worry so much about the black plague these days.  Polio is in the same boat. 

the ner ending list of "essential" vaccinations for minor illnesses just breeds cynicism - since when has chicken pox been sooo dangerous that to forgo a vaccination is to dance with death?  the flu vaccine, and gardasil are others that are just blatant profiteering, and have nothign to do with preserving health.  They pushed just a *little* too hard with the scare campaigns.

Meanwhile, despite all the "life saving" vaccines/treatments/drugs, we just get sicker and sicker, feebler and feebler. 

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:36am:

They keep talking about the mercury, but what about the formaldehyde and the antifreeze and the aluminium that we inject into the bloodstreams of newly born babies?

What a load of hogwash.

The "formaldehyde" contained in a few vaccines is a naturally occurring material, created inside your body by muscle tissue every day.

There is no antifreeze in vaccines, and never has been.

There is more aluminium in breast milk than in vaccines, and hundreds of times more in a single antacid tablet than in a lifetime of vaccines.

Lastly, vaccines are not "injected into the bloodstream", they are intra-muscular.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:30am:

FDA admits in court case that vaccines still contain mercury http://www.naturalnews.com/035432_vaccines_mercury_court_case.html http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2012/04/02/fda-admits-in-court-case-that-vaccines-still-contain-mercury/ Quote: It is a common myth today that the vaccines administered to children no longer contain the toxic additive thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative linked to causing permanent neurological damage. But a recent federal case involving the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has revealed that, contrary to this widely-held belief, thimerosal is actually still present in many batch vaccines, including in the annual influenza vaccine that is now administered to children as young as six months old. __________________________ Mercury-Based Vaccine Preservative Lives On http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/03/23/44979.htm [quote]The Food and Drug Administration is not liable for approving a mercury-based vaccine preservative because more expensive, mercury-free vaccines are available upon request, a federal judge ruled.      Thimerosal is a mercury-based compound that is FDA-approved as a vaccine preservative. Organizations such as the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs, however, have expressed concern about the preservative.

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Quote:

Mercury is the second most toxic element on earth to plutonium. Toxicity of mercury has been linked to many different diseases, including autism, learning disabilities, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, lupus, chronic fatigue syndrome, arthritis, depression, and bipolar disorder. The amount of mercury found in one mercury thermometer is enough to pollute a small lake. Health effects of mercury toxicity have been a concern because of the potential for it to act as a poison. Toxic doses of mercury can cause developmental effects in the fetus, as well as affecting the kidney and the nervous system in children and adults. Mercury exists in a number of different chemical forms, each one consisting of different levels of toxicity. The forms of mercury can also be converted from one to another in the environment and in the body, so symptoms caused by mercury poisoning depends on the precise chemical forms involved. Mercury can be toxic when inhaled, eaten, or when placed on the skin. Low concentrations of mercury may appear to have no effect but signs of toxicity can develop later or become more noticeable with continued exposure. When toxicity in humans takes place loss of feeling or a burning sensation in arms and legs, psychological effects, loss of memory, loss of vision, loss of hearing, paralysis, congenital malformations, kidney toxicity, and death may occur. Prenatal toxicity can result in a child with normal appearance at birth but who later exhibits a developmental delay in the ability to walk and/or talk. Because of the long latent period for observable effects, the need for treatment may be recognized too late. Health effects vary according to the amount of mercury exposure is taken into the body. The health risks of mercury at low levels of exposure remain uncertain, but this continues to be a highly debatable topic with ongoing scientific investigation. Fetuses, infants and small children appear to be particularly sensitive to mercury because their brains are still developing. Vaccines with mercury have been considered to contribute to autism, learning disabilities, Alzheimer’s Disease, and other neurological conditions, and an FDA review conducted in 1998 determined that, at the time, children who received the full complement of childhood vaccines were potentially exposed to levels of mercury that were sometimes 30 to 50 times the acceptable levels established by the EPA. High-level exposures to mercury can cause serious effects or even be lethal. Several historical examples of epidemic mercury poisonings in other parts of the world provide classic examples of investigative epidemiology and toxicology and serve to highlight the reasons why regulators are concerned about mercury. Effects on the brain and nervous system are frequently seen with high-level exposures to mercury and can be quite severe.

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So much BS, such a small space.

Mercury is most certainly not "the second most toxic material on the earth besides plutonium". How can anyone believe anything from a site that promotes such dribble as fact? http://www.mycolleaguesareidiots.com/archive/2009/09/21/428.aspx

And Natural News? Seriously, you take your advice from the Health Danger? http://www.thetwentyfirstfloor.com/?p=1145

If you're woried about mercury, then you'd better stop eating fish, since a single can of tuna contains more of it than receiving a lifetime of old, thiomersal-preserved vaccines.

Generally speaking, all childhood vaccines are thiomersal-free and have been for a decade. The US do administer a few that still have it, but we don't in Australia.

Either way, the supposed health effects have long been debunked. One only needs to compare stats from a decade ago, when kids received a dozen thiomersal-preserved vaccines to today where they generally receive none. There has been no decline in chronic illness or autism, despite the massive reduction (or elimination) from the schedule.

There have also been numerous studies into effects, and nothing has been found.

That rubbish KIGGs survey you posted further down is absolute tripe. No controls, a self reporting study done by an anti-vaccination group on their website. What would you expect it to say? It would be like a tobacco company doing a survey on their website and declaring that cigarettes are safe.

Suggest you look at some real, scientific research rather than the made-up rubbish from loopy antivaxxers. Here's a few for a start:
MMR/Autism: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134
MMR/Autism: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080204212852.htm
Vaccines/Autism: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/118/1/e139.abstract
Vaccines/Neutological development: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2010/05/24/peds.2009-2489.abstract
Vaccines/Asthma: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/123/3/944.abstract
Vaccines/Asthma&Allergies: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.91.7.1126
Vaccines/Diabetes: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11731639
Too many vaccines? http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/109/1/124.full?hits=25&FIRSTINDEX=0&FULLTEXT=offit&SEARCHID=1&gca=pediatrics%253B112%252F6%252F1394&gca=pediatrics%253B120%252F1%252F18&gca=pediatrics%253B111%252F3%252F653&gca=pediatrics%253B109%252F1%252F124&

NBNMyths wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 11:38am:

So much BS, such a small space. Mercury is most certainly not "the second most toxic material on the earth besides plutonium". How can anyone believe anything from a site that promotes such dribble as fact? http://www.mycolleaguesareidiots.com/archive/2009/09/21/428.aspx And Natural News? Seriously, you take your advice from the Health Danger? http://www.thetwentyfirstfloor.com/?p=1145 If you're woried about mercury, then you'd better stop eating fish, since a single can of tuna contains more of it than receiving a lifetime of old, thiomersal-preserved vaccines. Generally speaking, all childhood vaccines are thiomersal-free and have been for a decade. The US do administer a few that still have it, but we don't in Australia. Either way, the supposed health effects have long been debunked. One only needs to compare stats from a decade ago, when kids received a dozen thiomersal-preserved vaccines to today where they generally receive none. There has been no decline in chronic illness or autism, despite the massive reduction (or elimination) from the schedule. There have also been numerous studies into effects, and nothing has been found. That rubbish KIGGs survey you posted further down is absolute tripe. No controls, a self reporting study done by an anti-vaccination group on their website. What would you expect it to say? It would be like a tobacco company doing a survey on their website and declaring that cigarettes are safe. Suggest you look at some real, scientific research rather than the made-up rubbish from loopy antivaxxers. Here's a few for a start: MMR/Autism: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134 MMR/Autism: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080204212852.htm Vaccines/Autism: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/118/1/e139.abstract Vaccines/Neutological development: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2010/05/24/peds.2009-2489.abstract Vaccines/Asthma: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/123/3/944.abstract Vaccines/Asthma&Allergies: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.91.7.1126 Vaccines/Diabetes: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11731639 Too many vaccines? http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/109/1/124.full?hits=25&FIRSTINDEX=0&FULLTEXT=offit&SEARCHID=1&gca=pediatrics%253B112%252F6%252F1394&gca=pediatrics%253B120%252F1%252F18&gca=pediatrics%253B111%252F3%252F653&gca=pediatrics%253B109%252F1%252F124&

Thank you. Finally some rationality shines through.

AHHH So ratonality is what that is.

I thought it was a "true believer" reciting their dogma.  Cmon muso, you usually pick poo to bits - and theres plenty to pick at there.

Swine flu vaccine 'linked to' sleeping disorder
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9171414/Swine-flu-vaccine-linked-to-sleeping-disorder.html

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Mercury in flu vaccine is linked to autism
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-153722/Mercury-flu-vaccine-linked-autism.html


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60 Lab Studies Now Confirm Cancer Link to a Vaccine You Probably Had as a Child
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/18/leading-vaccine-doctor-states-cancer-linked-to-polio-vaccine.aspx


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Human DNA from Aborted Embryonic Cells in Vaccines Linked to Autism
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/18/leading-vaccine-doctor-states-cancer-linked-to-polio-vaccine.aspx


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Vaccines cause autism: Supporting evidence
http://www.naturalnews.com/027178_vaccines_autism_NaturalPedia.html


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Gardasil HPV vaccines found contaminated with recombinant DNA that persists in human blood
http://www.naturalnews.com/033585_Gardasil_contamination.html


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Vaccines: know the risks
http://www.healingdaily.com/conditions/vaccination.htm


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There is more than enough reason for people to be concerned.
Not enough long term testing.
And an industry that is highly corrupted and has its interests in keeping the population sick, if vaccines actually worked they would lose most of their income.

Most vaccines cause more harm then they help prevent and the cost for many is great.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Swine flu vaccine 'linked to' sleeping disorder Mercury in flu vaccine is linked to autism 60 Lab Studies Now Confirm Cancer Link to a Vaccine You Probably Had as a Child Human DNA from Aborted Embryonic Cells in Vaccines Linked to Autism Vaccines cause autism: Supporting evidence Gardasil HPV vaccines found contaminated with recombinant DNA that persists in human blood Vaccines: know the risks _______ There is more than enough reason for people to be concerned. Not enough long term testing. And an industry that is highly corrupted and has its interests in keeping the population sick, if vaccines actually worked they would lose most of their income. Most vaccines cause more harm then they help prevent and the cost for many is great.

Let's see....

One link from a newspaper that talks about flu vaccines for adults containing thiomersal, which "has been linked to Autism". Well, for a start thiomersal has never been linked to Autism, and secondly, these are vaccines for adults. Have you ever met an adult that has spontaneously become autistic?

One link to a Finnish study about a vaccine not available in Australia anyway, which doesn't show a link between a vaccine and a sleeping disorder, but shows an increase in that disorder. Correlation does not equal causation.

EDIT: Interestingly, I just found a story that says that it was the swine flu itself, rather than the vaccine for it, that has been blamed for the increase in narcolepsy. Surprise surprise. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/8712366/Swine-flu-infections-trigger-narcolepsy-not-vaccine-says-study.html and here's the link to the actual research: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.22587/abstract;jsessionid=3EB528B4C186B2E0BCC0527F7342BFDF.d04t01?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=

And five links to nutty Natural News, Mercola etc sites, where only Whale.to provides less accurate information. How about providing some links to published, peer-reviewed scientific research from pubmed? You might be taken more seriously.

If you honestly believe that vaccines cause more harm than good, then you need to get out more. Maybe a visit to PKIDs will change your mind, but I doubt it. http://www.pkids.org/


http://vaccinateyourchildren.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/graphs_measles_1991-20091.jpg
http://vaccinateyourchildren.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/graph_meningococcal-rates_1991-2009.jpg
http://vaccinateyourchildren.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/graph_pneumococcal_2001-2009.jpg
http://vaccinateyourchildren.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/graph-polio_1947-19681.jpg
http://vaccinateyourchildren.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/graph-polio-mort_1926-2004.jpg

Too bad for the people whos lives were permanently destroyed I guess.

Reality is that there is not enough long term research, and untill that is given they should never have been released commercially.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:40pm:

Too bad for the people whos lives were permanently destroyed I guess. Reality is that there is not enough long term research, and untill that is given they should never have been released commercially.

Nothing in life is without risk, vaccines included. Nothing is, or ever can be, 100% safe. Yes, there will be people who are harmed by vaccines, just as there are people harmed by seatbelts in cars.

But that is not an argument against them. The risks are hugely outweighed by the benefits. For every child harmed by a vaccine, millions are saved by them. Look at the results of the Australian Measles Control Campaign for a recent and local example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Measles_Control_Campaign

How long a research term would you like? The vaccines for many diseases have been in use for decades. New ones go though several stages of massive animal and human clinical trials before they are released.

NBNMyths wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 1:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 12:40pm: Too bad for the people whos lives were permanently destroyed I guess. Reality is that there is not enough long term research, and untill that is given they should never have been released commercially. Nothing in life is without risk, vaccines included. Nothing is, or ever can be, 100% safe. Yes, there will be people who are harmed by vaccines, just as there are people harmed by seatbelts in cars. But that is not an argument against them. The risks are hugely outweighed by the benefits. For every child harmed by a vaccine, millions are saved by them. Look at the results of the Australian Measles Control Campaign for a recent and local example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Measles_Control_Campaign How long a research term would you like? The vaccines for many diseases have been in use for decades. New ones go though several stages of massive animal and human clinical trials before they are released.

Research should be generational

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:56am:

muso wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:53am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:48am: muso wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:44am: If you don't like it, never use Mercurochrome and don't burn natural gas either. Have you checked your soap for mercury content? If the caustic soda was produced by a mercury diaphram process then your soap may actually contain mercury. Again, it's all a question of the dose.  There is a safe dose, especially when it comes to a single shot vaccine. It was Paracelsus who said: Quote: Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy. All preservatives are by nature hazardous in some way. By the way (Jasignature may know) but I'm pretty sure that they stopped using thiomersal (sp?) in Australia years ago.  Don't stop vaccinating your kids. The consequences of that are far worse. Please tell that to the people who have had their lives ruined by vaccinations. You think that's worse than the risk of Polio? Well yes in the sense that people are profiting off vaccinations.

Lol, but you said “focus on a very small part of the big picture”.

One’s not practicing what one preaches.
;)

the vaccines  - autism connection was always hogwash. the 'study' from which it originated has been debunked a billion times now.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:40pm:

Too bad for the people whose lives were permanently destroyed I guess. Reality is that there is not enough long term research, and until that is given they should never have been released commercially.

Would you care to name some of those people, or the symptoms/problems that result from it??

(btw, I corrected your spelling)

Have any of you morons advocating not having your children vaccinated ever seen a baby with whooping cough?

And Annie your Doctor is  a bloody idiot and probably a muslim to boot.

http://vaccinateyourchildren.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/graphs_measles_1991-20091.jpg

just look who did this study and graphs..

i dont trust either of these entities..

however

freewill

namaste

further

imagine a product you had that you could sell

through government programs ( yes your government

buys the vaccine like the swine flu we spent

billions on yes 23+ million doses,thats just 1 eg )

to every man woman and child whether they are sick

or not,thats big $$$

this corporation funds both political parties

and the agenda gets placed and indoctrinated

through schools of learning..

this was a total eugenics operation,

its over,release the hounds

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 7:45pm:

further imagine a product you had that you could sell through government programs ( yes your government buys the vaccine like the swine flu we spent billions on yes 23+ million doses,thats just 1 eg ) to every man woman and child whether they are sick or not,thats big $$$ this corporation funds both political parties and the agenda gets placed and indoctrinated through schools of learning.. this was a total eugenics operation, its over,release the hounds namaste

Still being the idiot warfie.

What happened to your sorties down the pub when you would take two women back to your flea ridden hovel for a night of displeasure for them?

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 7:45pm:

further imagine a product you had that you could sell through government programs ( yes your government buys the vaccine like the swine flu we spent billions on yes 23+ million doses,thats just 1 eg ) to every man woman and child whether they are sick or not,thats big $$$ this corporation funds both political parties and the agenda gets placed and indoctrinated through schools of learning.. this was a total eugenics operation, its over,release the hounds namaste

That
is
a
very
bizarre
post.

/stupidity.

Unfortunately, it's rubbish.

The cost of the H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine program was $100m. Not exactly "billions", is it? But then why let the facts get in the way of an obtuse rant?

As for profits, donations etc from vaccines and pharmaceutical companies. Maybe a little perspective is in order:

I have no big love or hate of pharma companies. Like any corporation, they are amoral.

A quick search through the AEC donations database showed no donations to any Australian party by the four biggest vaccine manufacturers, being Merck, GSK, Sanofi and CSL. I didn't look beyond them, but feel free to check for yourself. http://periodicdisclosures.aec.gov.au/

Vaccines are not particularly profitable for pharma companies. Merck, the world's largest producer of vaccines, makes more profit selling a single drug (eg a cholesterol medication) than they do for their entire vaccine range. And it's not hard to see why. Most vaccines are a few doses per person over their entire lifetime. But get someone on your cholesterol medication, and you could sell them a tablet every day for the rest of their lives. I'm sure you don't have to be a brain surgeon to work out what makes more money.

The stats for those graphs come from the compulsory reportable diseases database, reported by doctors and hospitals across the country. However, in the case of measles, again you don't have to be too bright to see the difference since the vaccine was introduced.

When I was at school in the 70s, almost every kid got measles. Now, no-one does. I haven't seen anyone with measles for well over a decade. How about you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs

Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine )

[Video] Bayer Sells AIDS-Infected Drug Banned in U.S. in Europe, Asia - Unearthed documents show that the drug company Bayer sold millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine -- Factor VIII concentrate, intended for hemophiliacs -- to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, although they knew that it was tainted with AIDS. Bayer knew about the fact that the drug was tainted and told the FDA to keep things under wraps while they made a profit off of a drug that infected its patients. If these allegations are true, then both Bayer and the FDA are at fault for this catastrophe. FDA regulators helped to keep the continued sales hidden, asking the company that the problem be ''quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public,'' according to the minutes of a 1985 meeting.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/08/05/bayer-sells-aids-infected-drug-banned-in-us-in-europe-asia.aspx

the FDA allowed this to happen,

the american government allowed this to happen

for it is the fact,that when bayer found the live aids

virus in the factor 8 they withdrew from the american

market and on sold it to france asia spain..




Bayer Sells AIDS-Infected Drug Banned in U.S. in Europe, Asia
Posted By Dr. Mercola | August 05 2006 | 25,964 views

Recently unearthed documents show that the drug company Bayer sold millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine -- Factor VIII concentrate, intended for hemophiliacs -- to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, although they knew that it was tainted with AIDS.

The company stopped selling the drug in the United States in 1984, but continued to sell it overseas for an additional year.

The medicine was made using combined plasma from large numbers of donors; at the time, there was no screening test for the AIDS virus, so a tiny number of donors with AIDS could inadvertently contaminate a large batch.

Unloading the Drug on the Unknowing

Records show that the company continued to sell the medicine overseas in an attempt to avoid being left with a large stock of a drug that was no longer marketable in the United States. The dangers of the drug had become well-known domestically, but the news was slower to reach other parts of the world.

However, Bayer also continued to manufacture the medicine for several months after pulling it from the market in the United States, because it was cheaper to produce than the new, safer product they were introducing as a replacement.

Although worldwide numbers are difficult to calculate, in Hong Kong and Taiwan alone, more than 100 hemophiliacs contracted HIV after using the medicine, and most have died.

FDA Collusion

FDA regulators helped to keep the continued sales hidden, asking the company that the problem be ‘‘quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public,‘‘ according to the minutes of a 1985 meeting.

YouTube is really great and is so much easier and more enjoyable than reading current news items. Please be sure and watch the YouTube video above about this unbelievable action by Bayer.

I'm sure you'll be as upset as I was to watch this recent video clip from MSNBC's Scarborough Country, and read the original article in the New York Times.

Bayer knew this drug was killing people, but they considered their bottom-line profits more important than human lives. Think about that. Money is more important to them than your life.

What more proof could you possibly want that the drug companies simply do NOT care about you, they are NOT on your side, and they are NOT benevolent. The purpose of a corporation is to make a profit. Their intention is not to make you well, but to sell you their drugs. Even if the drugs just make you sicker. In some cases, even if the drugs kill you, as long as they can get away with it.

Fight for Your Health is an excellent book that reviews this topic in more detail and does a wonderful job of exposing the FDA's betrayal of America. It explains that this shocking behavior by Bayer is not surprising al all if you merely examine history.  Between the mid-1920s and mid-1940s Bayer was part of the notorious IG Farben that  was intimately involved with the human experimental atrocities committed by Mengele at Auschwitz.

Eyewitness testimonies held in the Auschwitz camp archive show the doctor who force-fed prisoners pills worked for the pharmaceutical company Bayer when it was part of the IG Farben conglomerate. Seems little has changed at Bayer in the fifty years since World War II.

This information might cause you to have second thoughts about ever purchasing another bottle of Bayer aspirin.

And please remember you can't count on the U.S. government to act on these types of atrocities.

When the French government discovered the Bayer coverup going on under their noses, officials who made the decision to bring the tainted drug to their country were arrested and sent to prison. In America, however, no Bayer official has ever been investigated or indicted.

The FDA actually allowed this to happen and did nothing to prevent it. To kill innocent women and children because Bayer wanted to turn their potential loss into a profit.

Thanks to changes in the laws over the past 20 years or so, the FDA is actually being funded by the corporations they are supposed to regulate. Corporations are now their "partners" and "clients."

The real purpose of the FDA is to put a stamp of approval on drugs so that people believe they are safe; these days, they care very little about actual drug safety. If you had any lingering belief that the FDA is able to protect your health, this story should remove any doubt.

Events such as this, which are sadly all too common, are why I will do everything in my power to transform the conventional system of medicine, which allows these types of unconsciousable behavior.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/08/05/bayer-sells-aids-infected-drug-banned-in-us-in-europe-asia.aspx

That
is
a
very
bizarre
post.

/stupidity.

Unfortunately, it's rubbish.

The cost of the H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine program was $100m. Not exactly "billions", is it? But then why let the facts get in the way of an obtuse rant?

As for profits, donations etc from vaccines and pharmaceutical companies. Maybe a little perspective is in order:

I have no big love or hate of pharma companies. Like any corporation, they are amoral.

A quick search through the AEC donations database showed no donations to any Australian party by the four biggest vaccine manufacturers, being Merck, GSK, Sanofi and CSL. I didn't look beyond them, but feel free to check for yourself. http://periodicdisclosures.aec.gov.au/

Vaccines are not particularly profitable for pharma companies. Merck, the world's largest producer of vaccines, makes more profit selling a single drug (eg a cholesterol medication) than they do for their entire vaccine range. And it's not hard to see why. Most vaccines are a few doses per person over their entire lifetime. But get someone on your cholesterol medication, and you could sell them a tablet every day for the rest of their lives. I'm sure you don't have to be a brain surgeon to work out what makes more money.

The stats for those graphs come from the compulsory reportable diseases database, reported by doctors and hospitals across the country. However, in the case of measles, again you don't have to be too bright to see the difference since the vaccine was introduced.

When I was at school in the 70s, almost every kid got measles. Now, no-one does. I haven't seen anyone with measles for well over a decade. How about you?

_____________

id nbn myths you sound very eager to promote

your beloved vaccine corporations

and the vaccine agenda...calling posters that bring

facts against this atrocity names and so forth..

23 million doses at $100 ea research this

if you have the care,and you are forgiven for your

abuse

your agenda is being exposed with fact

blessings

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 11:29pm:

Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine ) [Video] Bayer Sells AIDS-Infected Drug Banned in U.S. in Europe, Asia - Unearthed documents show that the drug company Bayer sold millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine -- Factor VIII concentrate, intended for hemophiliacs -- to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, although they knew that it was tainted with AIDS. Bayer knew about the fact that the drug was tainted and told the FDA to keep things under wraps while they made a profit off of a drug that infected its patients. If these allegations are true, then both Bayer and the FDA are at fault for this catastrophe. FDA regulators helped to keep the continued sales hidden, asking the company that the problem be ''quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public,'' according to the minutes of a 1985 meeting.

And that (even if true, which is dubious) is relevant how?

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 11:38pm:

That is a very bizarre post. /stupidity. Unfortunately, it's rubbish. The cost of the H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine program was $100m. Not exactly "billions", is it? But then why let the facts get in the way of an obtuse rant? As for profits, donations etc from vaccines and pharmaceutical companies. Maybe a little perspective is in order: I have no big love or hate of pharma companies. Like any corporation, they are amoral. A quick search through the AEC donations database showed no donations to any Australian party by the four biggest vaccine manufacturers, being Merck, GSK, Sanofi and CSL. I didn't look beyond them, but feel free to check for yourself. http://periodicdisclosures.aec.gov.au/ Vaccines are not particularly profitable for pharma companies. Merck, the world's largest producer of vaccines, makes more profit selling a single drug (eg a cholesterol medication) than they do for their entire vaccine range. And it's not hard to see why. Most vaccines are a few doses per person over their entire lifetime. But get someone on your cholesterol medication, and you could sell them a tablet every day for the rest of their lives. I'm sure you don't have to be a brain surgeon to work out what makes more money. The stats for those graphs come from the compulsory reportable diseases database, reported by doctors and hospitals across the country. However, in the case of measles, again you don't have to be too bright to see the difference since the vaccine was introduced. When I was at school in the 70s, almost every kid got measles. Now, no-one does. I haven't seen anyone with measles for well over a decade. How about you? _____________ id nbn myths you sound very eager to promote your beloved vaccine corporations and the vaccine agenda...calling posters that bring facts against this atrocity names and so forth.. 23 million doses at $100 ea research this if you have the care,and you are forgiven for your abuse your agenda is being exposed with fact blessings

I
don't
think
you
would
know
a
fact
if
it
jumped
out
in
front
of
you

And that (even if true, which is dubious) is relevant how?

___________

this proves how hoodwinked and one minded you are

even when presented with fact,

the very fact you are not aware of the fact

reflects upon your knowledge on the subject

and reflects your discernment when presented damning

evidence against your beloved pharma industrial

complex..

your confusion is yours alone,

your agenda exposed

namaste

-:)

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 11:38pm:

And that (even if true, which is dubious) is relevant how? ___________ this proves how hoodwinked and one minded you are even when presented with fact, the very fact you are not aware of the fact reflects upon your knowledge on the subject and reflects your discernment when presented damning evidence against your beloved pharma industrial complex.. your confusion is yours alone, your agenda exposed namaste

Whether it's true or not, what has that got to do with vaccines and whether they work or not, or are safe or not?

After a little research, it turns out that:

- The allegedly-contaminated drug Bayer was selling wasn't a vaccine.
- Bayer don't even make any human vaccines.
- The whole alleged incident happened 28 years ago, just 2 years after HIV had been theorised as the cause of AIDS.

Once again, I ask you, what on earth does this have to do with vaccines?

It's like me saying "batteries are dangerous because of the union carbide bhopal gas leak".

After a little research, it turns out that:

you are quite confused with fact

freewill

this does not effect unto LIGHT

sleep well and take your vaccines

-:)

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 12:19am:

After a little research, it turns out that: you are quite confused with fact freewill this does not effect unto LIGHT sleep well and take your vaccines

I'll take my vaccines, so long as you take your medication.

Once you have, please answer my previous post as to what the bayer thing has to do with vaccines.

FriYAY wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 3:22pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:56am: muso wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:53am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:48am: muso wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:44am: If you don't like it, never use Mercurochrome and don't burn natural gas either. Have you checked your soap for mercury content? If the caustic soda was produced by a mercury diaphram process then your soap may actually contain mercury. Again, it's all a question of the dose.  There is a safe dose, especially when it comes to a single shot vaccine. It was Paracelsus who said: Quote: Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy. All preservatives are by nature hazardous in some way. By the way (Jasignature may know) but I'm pretty sure that they stopped using thiomersal (sp?) in Australia years ago.  Don't stop vaccinating your kids. The consequences of that are far worse. Please tell that to the people who have had their lives ruined by vaccinations. You think that's worse than the risk of Polio? Well yes in the sense that people are profiting off vaccinations. Lol, but you said “focus on a very small part of the big picture”. One’s not practicing what one preaches. ;)

The fact that a minute few have monopoly over the entire health industry is one of the biggest problems here.
Think about it, do they make more money if they cure you outright and tell you how to live a healthy life.. Or if they keep you sick needing treatment and medication

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 4:26pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 12:40pm: Too bad for the people whose lives were permanently destroyed I guess. Reality is that there is not enough long term research, and until that is given they should never have been released commercially. Would you care to name some of those people, or the symptoms/problems that result from it?? (btw, I corrected your spelling)

Look it up yourself, thousands of people get imediate problems that last there entire lives.
Wow you are a hero

I have been interested in the vaccine and pharamtectical topic for about a decade.
The system is obviously corrupted.
And the corporations which hold a monopoly on the industry are psychotic.

It is bad business for them to make a vaccine which actually helps people and stops the spread of disease because then they lose the biggest part of their profit which is selling drugs.

Think about it,

After 10 years I have heard a million pieces of damming information, they are certainly not to be trusted.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

I have been interested in the vaccine and pharamtectical topic for about a decade. The system is obviously corrupted. And the corporations which hold a monopoly on the industry are psychotic. It is bad business for them to make a vaccine which actually helps people and stops the spread of disease because then they lose the biggest part of their profit which is selling drugs. Think about it, After 10 years I have heard a million pieces of damming information, they are certainly not to be trusted.

As I wrote previously, I don't particularly love or hate pharma companies. I don't think they always think only about our health, but nor do I believe they are deliberately making us sick. They are amoral, not immoral.

This is certainly worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiWJACTmUY

NBNMyths wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 4th, 2012 at 9:15am: I have been interested in the vaccine and pharamtectical topic for about a decade. The system is obviously corrupted. And the corporations which hold a monopoly on the industry are psychotic. It is bad business for them to make a vaccine which actually helps people and stops the spread of disease because then they lose the biggest part of their profit which is selling drugs. Think about it, After 10 years I have heard a million pieces of damming information, they are certainly not to be trusted. As I wrote previously, I don't particularly love or hate pharma companies. I don't think they always think only about our health, but nor do I believe they are deliberately making us sick. They are amoral, not immoral. This is certainly worth watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiWJACTmUY

They deserve to be hung, simple as that.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 10:06am:

They deserve to be hung, simple as that.

They're probably working on a drug for that ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYWw1zTr84M

CDC Caught Hiding Data Showing Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cdc-caught-hiding-data-showing-mercury-in-vaccines-linked-to-autism/

February 25, 2014
CDC Caught Hiding Data Showing Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism

http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/coleen-boyle-CDC.jpg

Dr. Coleen Boyle of the CDC testifies under oath before Congress in November 2012 that the body of evidence shows there is no connection between mercury in vaccines and autism.
Health Impact News Editor Comments

In a press release issued this week, one that so far no mainstream media sources have bothered to report, it was announced that Dr. Brian Hooker had finally received documents from the CDC through a Freedom of Information Act that revealed the CDC had access to data linking Thimerosal in vaccines to autism, non-organic sleep disorders, and speech disorders.

Two members of Congress helped Dr. Hooker draft his letter to the CDC, after having spent nearly 10 years submitting over 100 Freedom of Information Acts to no avail.

This information, so far, has been completely blacked out of the mainstream media.

This information is very damaging to the CDC, which has stated for years that there are no studies linking the mercury of Thimerosal in vaccines to autism. You can watch for yourself in the video below the most recent testimony given by the CDC in the November 2012 Congressional Hearing on Autism, where they claim there are no studies linking Thimerosal to autism. Thimerosal is still used today in the flu shot that is administered to pregnant women and infants.

Really, you guys are posting links to natural news websites as evidence. Wouldn't you think if there was any evidence to this it would be in a peer reviewed journal.


Lets just stay on the formaldehyde, thiomersal, aluminium issue.

Thiomersal is an organometallic compound containing mercury. The mercury in thiomersal is found as an ethylmercury. It is cleared rapidly from the body and appears to be much less toxic than methylmercury.

Aluminium is used as an adjuvant, it hypes up the immune response so the effectiveness of the vaccine is increased.

Formaldehyde is used as a preservative.


But what posters here, and the usual anti-vax nutballs have to remember is that the human body is designed to deal with certain levels of chemicals. The plants we eat absorb some levels of mercury from the soil.

Formaldehyde is converted quickly by the liver to formic acid. It is a natural chemical in our body in small amounts. Our cells use it to make DNA and amino acids


Aluminium is also dealt with by cytochrome enzymes in the body.


Wht is forgotten that it is not the presence of any amount of these molecules that is the problem but by how much is present. E.g. the amount of formaldehyde a child gets from a standard range of vaccinations is less than they have in their body as a result of natural processes and since we have the ability to metabolise it anyway, it never builds up.

The mention of these chemicals in vaccines is a scare tactic with no basis in reality.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

Really, you guys are posting links to natural news websites as evidence. Wouldn't you think if there was any evidence to this it would be in a peer reviewed journal. Lets just stay on the formaldehyde, thiomersal, aluminium issue.

many blessings and no we will not go back there

new evidence will require focus

and you looking away from facts will not diminish

its existence and valuable insight into reality ,

you will stick to the flow of facts upon this topic

or be exposed for being a troll. ... you may change ,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYWw1zTr84M

CDC Caught Hiding Data Showing Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cdc-caught-hiding-data-showing-mercury-in-vaccines-linked-to-autism/

February 25, 2014
CDC Caught Hiding Data Showing Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism

http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/coleen-boyle-CDC.jpg

Dr. Coleen Boyle of the CDC testifies under oath before Congress in November 2012 that the body of evidence shows there is no connection between mercury in vaccines and autism.
Health Impact News Editor Comments

In a press release issued this week, one that so far no mainstream media sources have bothered to report, it was announced that Dr. Brian Hooker had finally received documents from the CDC through a Freedom of Information Act that revealed the CDC had access to data linking Thimerosal in vaccines to autism, non-organic sleep disorders, and speech disorders.

Two members of Congress helped Dr. Hooker draft his letter to the CDC, after having spent nearly 10 years submitting over 100 Freedom of Information Acts to no avail.

This information, so far, has been completely blacked out of the mainstream media.

This information is very damaging to the CDC, which has stated for years that there are no studies linking the mercury of Thimerosal in vaccines to autism. You can watch for yourself in the video below the most recent testimony given by the CDC in the November 2012 Congressional Hearing on Autism, where they claim there are no studies linking Thimerosal to autism. Thimerosal is still used today in the flu shot that is administered to pregnant women and infants.

Really, facts? Where are they? Where are the links

And just repeating a poo link over and over doesn't make it true.

the link has been provided here

and read the full press release .

you distort the flow of information with your confusion

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cdc-caught-hiding-data-showing-mercury-in-vaccines-linked-to-autism/

the fact you will not see is a reflection

upon your intellect at this moment ...

read the link then comment as your ego is exposing

your agenda of disinformation so read the link .

this is not a deficiency one such as I am comforts

nor endures such as you do ...so look again

and stop shifting the flow of this thread with your

confusion one may suggest ,

the facts have come to light

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYWw1zTr84M

CDC Caught Hiding Data Showing Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cdc-caught-hiding-data-showing-mercury-in-vaccines-linked-to-autism/

February 25, 2014
CDC Caught Hiding Data Showing Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism

http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/coleen-boyle-CDC.jpg

Dr. Coleen Boyle of the CDC testifies under oath before Congress in November 2012 that the body of evidence shows there is no connection between mercury in vaccines and autism.
Health Impact News Editor Comments

In a press release issued this week, one that so far no mainstream media sources have bothered to report, it was announced that Dr. Brian Hooker had finally received documents from the CDC through a Freedom of Information Act that revealed the CDC had access to data linking Thimerosal in vaccines to autism, non-organic sleep disorders, and speech disorders.

Two members of Congress helped Dr. Hooker draft his letter to the CDC, after having spent nearly 10 years submitting over 100 Freedom of Information Acts to no avail.

This information, so far, has been completely blacked out of the mainstream media.

This information is very damaging to the CDC, which has stated for years that there are no studies linking the mercury of Thimerosal in vaccines to autism. You can watch for yourself in the video below the most recent testimony given by the CDC in the November 2012 Congressional Hearing on Autism, where they claim there are no studies linking Thimerosal to autism. Thimerosal is still used today in the flu shot that is administered to pregnant women and infants.

Brian Hooker, PhD, PE, has 15 years experience in the field of bioengineering and is an associate professor at Simpson University where he specializes in biology and chemistry. His over 50 science and engineering papers have been published in internationally recognized, peer-reviewed journals. Dr. Hooker has a son, aged 16, who developed normally but then regressed into autism after receiving Thimerosal-containing vaccines.


So he's not exactly what you call an unbiased observer.

Whilst this is an important topic, I will be putting up links to Phillip Day, whom I admire tremendously, have many of his publications for reference (yes, including The Little Cyanide Cookbook  :)  and other books on cancer, health wars etc).
I have also attended one of his talks.

A lot of research and information Phillip Day has done, and not to be overlooked. I think it's of paramount importance to put up some of the links for perusal of this topic for others to be  'educated before vaccinated'.
Knowledge is power.
I was most sorry to feel like I had to vaccinate my babies back in the early 1980's, and did something a little different, as our neighbour's brother, had lost his very health robust 6 month old baby boy to cot death, just after the 3rd vaccination.
My Docter then, was advocating and urging the vaccinations and gave it the okay etc etc etc...well, you know what...I found out, that dam hypocrite never had any one of his 3 children vaccinated.  >:(
But that's another story.

I decided to be a bit different, if I felt I had no choice (and that is how we mothers were made to feel).....then I decided, to not have my babies injected at the recommended age of 2, 4 and 6 months.
I had this fear of cot death being imminent.
So I made sure (even if it killed me) to keep on breast feeding (was on the the better statistics for lessening cot deaths etc)....and then had them have the vaccines at 3, 5, and 7 months instead...feeling they were bigger and more able to cope.
That was my little protest at the time, in a way.

Also, look up SV40, and many will see the connection of this with vaccines.

http://credence.org/ECpages/?page_id=2651

http://credence.org/ECpages/?page_id=873

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR5KD1Gz0TI

And...... a different link that may be of use for those that wish to do some more scrutinizing.

http://public.thinkmoreraw.com/the-truth-about-meat

Oh, and look up Peter Taubert, another speaker I had the pleasure of going to listen to and I have purchased his book, he has lots of qualifications and experience also.

I made the effort of going to these talks and buying their books, now it is on the internet for all to study, and I am only too happy to make others aware of their works.

But thats the problem Lols, going to google university doesn't actually lead to the whole knowledge is power thing. My understanding of the SV40 thing is that it was found in some polio vaccines, but nothing since 1962. Additionally there is still significant debate about whether SV40 causes any disease in humans.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

But thats the problem Lols, going to google university doesn't actually lead to the whole knowledge is power thing. My understanding of the SV40 thing is that it was found in some polio vaccines, but nothing since 1962. Additionally there is still significant debate about whether SV40 causes any disease in humans.

What is google university?
I had attended and listened for years before any of this was on the internet, of the researchers like Phillip Day for instance.

As for SV40, many naturopaths and other works I had read (independantly of any internet) had inferred there is a link of that virus to the MMR vaccines also.
And the statistical data won't show anything until this gen reach the age of about 40, then it will be after the fact, of course. How long has the triple antigen been in for now? approx 20 years? (MMR) measles, mumps, rubella, and remember, my kids had already had the measles injection when younger, and my question at the time was....won't it be too much of an overload, having the mealses injection again?
Of course I never got a clear answer, just a vagueness it should be okay bs.

You think this doesn't upset me, with my children having that crap in their bloodstream now?

Oh, and this never stopped my kids getting the measles, in fact, my son had such a bad case of it when he was 3 yrs old, he had a high fever and didn't recognize me.

He used to know the alphabet (I have a video I took of this), and then after, he didn't know it anymore.

Some damage there.

My husband, when he was 7, had such a bad case of measles (and yes his mother had him innoculated), that my husband had to be hospitalized, he was that ill with mealses, nearly died from it....and it effected his memory, he cannot, remember any of his life before age 7.

Sophia wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 10:09am: But thats the problem Lols, going to google university doesn't actually lead to the whole knowledge is power thing. My understanding of the SV40 thing is that it was found in some polio vaccines, but nothing since 1962. Additionally there is still significant debate about whether SV40 causes any disease in humans. What is google university? I had attended and listened for years before any of this was on the internet, of the researchers like Phillip Day for instance. As for SV40, many naturopaths and other works I had read (independantly of any internet) had inferred there is a link of that virus to the MMR vaccines also. You think this doesn't upset me, with my children having that crap in their bloodstream now?

many blessings ,

you may go to a health store and

put those you feel are in need on a course

of organic chocolate among other materials

some clay products as well yes

will draw all these heavy metals to them as they pass

through the human organism and physical systems

this toxins can be cleansed

through wisdom yes

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =

ॐ

Sophia wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 10:09am: But thats the problem Lols, going to google university doesn't actually lead to the whole knowledge is power thing. My understanding of the SV40 thing is that it was found in some polio vaccines, but nothing since 1962. Additionally there is still significant debate about whether SV40 causes any disease in humans. What is google university? I had attended and listened for years before any of this was on the internet, of the researchers like Phillip Day for instance. As for SV40, many naturopaths and other works I had read (independantly of any internet) had inferred there is a link of that virus to the MMR vaccines also. And the statistical data won't show anything until this gen reach the age of about 40, then it will be after the fact, of course. How long has the triple antigen been in for now? approx 20 years? (MMR) measles, mumps, rubella, and remember, my kids had already had the measles injection when younger, and my question at the time was....won't it be too much of an overload, having the mealses injection again? Of course I never got a clear answer, just a vagueness it should be okay bs. You think this doesn't upset me, with my children having that crap in their bloodstream now? Oh, and this never stopped my kids getting the measles, in fact, my son had such a bad case of it when he was 3 yrs old, he had a high fever and didn't recognize me. He used to know the alphabet (I have a video I took of this), and then after, he didn't know it anymore. Some damage there. My husband, when he was 7, had such a bad case of measles (and yes his mother had him innoculated), that my husband had to be hospitalized, he was that ill with mealses, nearly died from it....and it effected his memory, he cannot, remember any of his life before age 7.

And thats the issue, listening to naturopaths

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:55am:

Brian Hooker, PhD, PE, has 15 years experience in the field of bioengineering and is an associate professor at Simpson University where he specializes in biology and chemistry. His over 50 science and engineering papers have been published in internationally recognized, peer-reviewed journals. Dr. Hooker has a son, aged 16, who developed normally but then regressed into autism after receiving Thimerosal-containing vaccines. So he's not exactly what you call an unbiased observer.

many blessings

look at yourself and what you write

you expose yourself in love and light

namaste

- : ) =

ॐ

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And thats the issue, listening to naturopaths

I listen to more than just naturopaths, in fact, one of my naturopaths is one of the very few that now has "Doctor" with her name.

She is brilliant, to say the least.

Sophia wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

Quote: And thats the issue, listening to naturopaths I listen to more than just naturopaths, in fact, one of my naturopaths is one of the very few that now has "Doctor" with her name. She is brilliant, to say the least.

Oh one of those online doctors. Again, if the people you consult consider this an issue, do a scientific study.

But quite frankly, a lot of MD's are not exactly the ant's pants either, and my own Doctor keeps asking my hubby (when he goes to get his script of Naprosyn) how I am doing, as he hasn't seen me in a while.

Well, I only go to Doctors when I want a diagnosis, then it's up to me to decide which way I want to take it.

See...choice....informed choices (not out of fear)...that is what I meant by knowledge is power, we give power back to ourselves, not give it away for someone else to decide on your fate.

I like to weigh the cons and pros.

My closest soul friend of over 42 years, is now suffering with cancer and going through the usual channels of chemo etc etc etc. After 6 months, she is still in fear and feels ill.
Now she asks me for help, what foods, or other treatments are there.

I give her all the information she can peruse, so she can do more for herself. This is called "PAT" = Point At Tools.

Nothing worse than having little knowledge and going along blindly by the pharma companies recommendation.

You know what my husband said a couple of days ago, when other cancer cures were in the process (there was a show on TV about a young man whose dad was some biochemist or something and had some alternative treatment for his son and it worked).
Well, imagine how much money and business the pharma and medical establishment would lose when other cancer cures can come to the fore.
Whew, would hate to think eh?  :)
(Look up Dr. John Holt, and Stanislaw Burzynski to name a few brilliant people who have been black banned by the big pharma and medical establishements, and worse. )


But oops sorry, this is a different topic, I got carried away,  :) back to vaccines topic.

Burzynskis a quack and a fraud


http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2013/11november.htm#30burzynski

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzynski_Clinic

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:56am:

muso wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 10:53am: You think that's worse than the risk of Polio? Well yes in the sense that people are profiting off vaccinations.

People also make profit from cancer treatments. Do we denounce them too?

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Burzynskis a quack and a fraud

I have watched 2 whole videos of how they tried to shut him down (fda etc). for 20 years, and then they did the trials and mucked it about (on purpose), which only proved to discredit Stanislaw's work. Oh they rule the roost don't they, the Government and the FDA etc  ::) ::) And only their reports are valid, because they say so? Because we are brainwashed into thinking so?
Walls of conformity they adhere to.


One needs to see the whole story to then make a comparison.

So, you don't say the others are quacks then?
Dr. John Holt, whom has an unconventional way to treat cancer not approved by the medical establishment blah blah.

Let me tell you something, my friend Margaret, she was diagnozed with cancer, and was recommended radiation treatment and said she will have a survival rate of approx 5 years....she did this treatment just once, and she told me , "It burnt me!" and never went back, and pursued a quest for alternatives in cancer healing, to which she lasted 20 years, instead of the usual 5 years with chemo etc.
I learnt much from my valuable friendship with Margaret, blessed I am.

She passed away, in her 70's.

She never suffered the ill effects that chemo etc have on people and looked well without too much suffering, unlike my mother in law, only lasted 4 years (it is not a treatment that makes you live longer, it only makes you suffer longer  :'( ) She looked and suffered horribly.

Too bad back in the 1980's I had little knowledge of 'alternatives' or other ways to help, and only found out about Ian Gawler, for instance, much later.

But I suppose he is a quack too?  ::)

You cannot argue the benefits the world has seen through vaccination & immunisation programs that have greatly reduced or rid us of diseases like Small Pox, Polio, Diptheria, Measles, Mumps, Pertussis (Whooping Cough),Tetanus, Tuberculosis & more.

That there have been some who have had serious reaction & damage has been a low risk worth taking.

The trouble with all the parents who are now not immunising/vaccinating their children is that they are creating a generation of unresistant children.... & some of the more serious diseases which we thought were long gone are making a comeback.

These parents are riding on the back of those who have gone before & made those terrible diseases a thing of the past .... & live in a false sense of security.

Personally I think they are some what irresponsible .... & I hope their children don't contract something that is preventable through vaccination.

An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.

I can bet that many here & around the country who are anti-vaccination for their children live in communities & cities where their public water supply is (so called) fluoridated.

Why aren't you jumping up & down about that?

The substance used to "fluoridate" your water comes from one of the most toxic substances on the planet... FLUORINE.

The actual chemical they use is Hexafluorsiliic Acid which is an industrial (Aluminium & Fertilizer Industries) waste product that is also contaminated with lead, arsenic, cadmium & an amount of radioactive isotopes.

It's mainly sourced from China.(That should be enough to scare you).

There has been no conclusive proof presented by pro-fluoridists since this mass medication/poisoning through public water supplies since it began in the early 1950's that oral ingestion helps prevent tooth decay or that it is safe for the rest of the body & organs.

So are all you anti-vaccers drinking your daily dose of Fluoride? ;D

If we're going to have people who won't vaccinate their children, we should gather them together in one place, introduce the real diseases and watch what happens. Children crippled by polio, adult men sterilised by mumps, children scarred by chicken pox, babies born with birth defects to mothers who caught rubella while pregnant, babies dying from whooping cough and other deaths from various preventable communicable diseases.

Many people living in Australia today have never met anyone who has been crippled by polio. I have: I once met someone who was in his 60s and had to wear a leg brace all his life as a consequence of the polio he caught as a child. This gentleman acquired a lifelong disability from a preventable illness. For more insight into what polio can do, find out what iron longs are and which patients were most likely to need them.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Iron_Lung_ward-Rancho_Los_Amigos_Hospital.gif/250px-Iron_Lung_ward-Rancho_Los_Amigos_Hospital.gif (Iron lung ward filled with polio patients, Rancho Los Amigos Hospital, California, 1953)

We do not really see these morbidities and mortalities much any more because widespread vaccination has erased these consequences from the memory of the broader public. Vaccination has been so successful that we have forgotten why we need to vaccinate.

Vaccination can eradicate diseases. The last case of Smallpox was in 1977 and certified as eradicated in 1979, the cattle disease rinderpest was declared eradicated in 2011. These were eradicated by vaccination. With a concerted vaccination effort, polio may be eradicated within the next 10 to 20 years.

Vaccination is not completely without risk. It can have complications, but so does the disease that vaccination prevents. Which risk is greater - the risk from vaccination with a weakened form of the disease or the risk of acquiring the wild form of the disease with its full virulence? How do we know that someone who experiences complications from vaccination would not have experienced complications if they caught the wild disease instead?

Sophia wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Let me tell you something, my friend Margaret, she was diagnozed with cancer, and was recommended radiation treatment and said she will have a survival rate of approx 5 years....she did this treatment just once, and she told me , "It burnt me!" and never went back, and pursued a quest for alternatives in cancer healing, to which she lasted 20 years, instead of the usual 5 years with chemo etc. I learnt much from my valuable friendship with Margaret, blessed I am. She passed away, in her 70's. She never suffered the ill effects that chemo etc have on people and looked well without too much suffering, unlike my mother in law, only lasted 4 years (it is not a treatment that makes you live longer, it only makes you suffer longer  :'( ) She looked and suffered horribly. Too bad back in the 1980's I had little knowledge of 'alternatives' or other ways to help, and only found out about Ian Gawler, for instance, much later. But I suppose he is a quack too?  ::)

Let me tell you something. Survival rates aren't a hard and fast rule. If you have a 5 yr survival rate, you don't live for 5 years and suddenly die.

Let me also tell you, to science anecdotes don't mean squat. For every person who lived well past the survival rate without using conventional medicine, I can produce 1 who has lived well past the survival rate with conventional medicine, and 1 who lived a short period of time whilst not using conventional medicine.


My understanding of Ian Gawlers work is that he has never actually stated to only use self-help or alternative treatments. Instead he argues for integrative approaches using the best of what conventional medicine has to offer.

Bam wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

If we're going to have people who won't vaccinate their children, we should gather them together in one place, introduce the real diseases and watch what happens. Children crippled by polio, adult men sterilised by mumps, children scarred by chicken pox, babies born with birth defects to mothers who caught rubella while pregnant, babies dying from whooping cough and other deaths from various preventable communicable diseases. Many people living in Australia today have never met anyone who has been crippled by polio. I have: I once met someone who was in his 60s and had to wear a leg brace all his life as a consequence of the polio he caught as a child. This gentleman acquired a lifelong disability from a preventable illness. For more insight into what polio can do, find out what iron longs are and which patients were most likely to need them. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Iron_Lung_ward-Rancho_Los_Amigos_Hospital.gif/250px-Iron_Lung_ward-Rancho_Los_Amigos_Hospital.gif (Iron lung ward filled with polio patients, Rancho Los Amigos Hospital, California, 1953) We do not really see these morbidities and mortalities much any more because widespread vaccination has erased these consequences from the memory of the broader public. Vaccination has been so successful that we have forgotten why we need to vaccinate. Vaccination can eradicate diseases. The last case of Smallpox was in 1977 and certified as eradicated in 1979, the cattle disease rinderpest was declared eradicated in 2011. These were eradicated by vaccination. With a concerted vaccination effort, polio may be eradicated within the next 10 to 20 years. Vaccination is not completely without risk. It can have complications, but so does the disease that vaccination prevents. Which risk is greater - the risk from vaccination with a weakened form of the disease or the risk of acquiring the wild form of the disease with its full virulence? How do we know that someone who experiences complications from vaccination would not have experienced complications if they caught the wild disease instead?

I think most of the anti-vaxx nonsense comes about because people have short memories and don't recall how much those diseases suck

Gnads wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

You cannot argue the benefits the world has seen through vaccination & immunisation programs that have greatly reduced or rid us of diseases like Small Pox, Polio, Diptheria, Measles, Mumps, Pertussis (Whooping Cough),Tetanus, Tuberculosis & more. That there have been some who have had serious reaction & damage has been a low risk worth taking. The trouble with all the parents who are now not immunising/vaccinating their children is that they are creating a generation of unresistant children.... & some of the more serious diseases which we thought were long gone are making a comeback. These parents are riding on the back of those who have gone before & made those terrible diseases a thing of the past .... & live in a false sense of security. Personally I think they are some what irresponsible .... & I hope their children don't contract something that is preventable through vaccination. An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure. I can bet that many here & around the country who are anti-vaccination for their children live in communities & cities where their public water supply is (so called) fluoridated. Why aren't you jumping up & down about that? The substance used to "fluoridate" your water comes from one of the most toxic substances on the planet... FLUORINE. The actual chemical they use is Hexafluorsiliic Acid which is an industrial (Aluminium & Fertilizer Industries) waste product that is also contaminated with lead, arsenic, cadmium & an amount of radioactive isotopes. It's mainly sourced from China.(That should be enough to scare you). There has been no conclusive proof presented by pro-fluoridists since this mass medication/poisoning through public water supplies since it began in the early 1950's that oral ingestion helps prevent tooth decay or that it is safe for the rest of the body & organs. So are all you anti-vaccers drinking your daily dose of Fluoride? ;D

All adds up, a cocktail of chemicals  :o

One thing I remembered last night, was before I became pregnant, I did get the Rubella vacination, and so, then, why did they put the Rubella in the triple antigen (MMR) for boys to take also? Why 'one size fits all'?
This I asked the Doctor, and couldn't answer it, just dismisses it as the way it is type thing (just the way Doctors are type thing eh?)
But it did bother me, why did my 9 year old son, have to have Rubella? I already had it before I conceived him.

And this is the other issue that is concerning, off loading our chemicals in our bodies into the babies in the womb, whilst they are loading more into their systems as they become more and more immunized, and more and more chemicals in our foods, water, and environment, keeps adding it up for the next generation and so forth.

I bet, our oldies in their 80's, don't have half the chemicals we have in our systems.

Seems my generation are all dropping dead before age 65.  :'( This is my main social aspect, 30th and 60th birthdays, engagements, weddings and funerals.

And thank goodness, I have tank water, at least that's one area I can control less chemical intake.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Let me tell you something. Survival rates aren't a hard and fast rule. If you have a 5 yr survival rate, you don't live for 5 years and suddenly die. No, one doesn't suddenly die, they just lay in a hospital bed and die agonizingly slowly, usually a week, but in the case of my mother in law, (and this is where I considered working hard not to be of any benefit in this instance)...the doctors said, once the cancer got to the bones, that as a result of her being a hard working farm woman all her life, will take longer to pass away, about 2 weeks, when it is usually 1 week...we were told. She was age 57. That's is no end prize for being a hard worker  :'( Let me also tell you, to science anecdotes don't mean squat. For every person who lived well past the survival rate without using conventional medicine, I can produce 1 who has lived well past the survival rate with conventional medicine, and 1 who lived a short period of time whilst not using conventional medicine. At least we are on the same page, yes I agree, and it really does depend on various factors, on the person's immune system and lifestyle choices. I also know many that made it well with alternatives, and those that made it with just conventional (albeit some had operations also to remove any tumours). And most that change their lifestyle after this, do better to survive longer. "Are you old enough" (one of the songs) to remember Marc Hunter of the group Dragon? He died with throat cancer in 1998. After all the conventional methods, he didn't do too well (although he was a hard drug user and heavy alcoholic) So for the last bargaining for his life, in the end, went to alternative treatments for help...I think it was way too late for natural alternatives at this stage, and of course, it couldn't save him. Why expect miracles near the end? Same with any treatment, conventional or alternative. If someone is a heavy smoker for instance, and get's the news they have emphysema or lung cancer, what conventional or alternative can reverse that? Apart from lung transplant. This was what was reported below http://www.awesomeentertainmentmagazine.com/index.php/component/k2/item/246-marc-hunter-dragon In November 1997, Marc was diagnosed as having throat cancer. A benefit concert with the whos who of the Australian Music Industry was held in Melbourne in February 1998, with another scheduled for March 27 in Sydney. Marc’s treatment wasn’t going as well as expected, so he and his wife Wendy, chose to fly out to Daera Chun in South Korea to try alternative medicine remedies. After a few weeks, Marc returned to Sydney, where he passed away on July 17, 1998.

Sophia wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

One thing I remembered last night, was before I became pregnant, I did get the Rubella vacination, and so, then, why did they put the Rubella in the triple antigen (MMR) for boys to take also? Why 'one size fits all'?

Herd immunity: the more people there are who are immune to a disease, the fewer opportunities that disease has to spread amongst the susceptible population.

Gnads wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

You cannot argue the benefits the world has seen through vaccination & immunisation programs that have greatly reduced or rid us of diseases like Small Pox, Polio, Diptheria, Measles, Mumps, Pertussis (Whooping Cough),Tetanus, Tuberculosis & more. That there have been some who have had serious reaction & damage has been a low risk worth taking. The trouble with all the parents who are now not immunising/vaccinating their children is that they are creating a generation of unresistant children.... & some of the more serious diseases which we thought were long gone are making a comeback. These parents are riding on the back of those who have gone before & made those terrible diseases a thing of the past .... & live in a false sense of security. Personally I think they are some what irresponsible .... & I hope their children don't contract something that is preventable through vaccination. An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure. I can bet that many here & around the country who are anti-vaccination for their children live in communities & cities where their public water supply is (so called) fluoridated. Why aren't you jumping up & down about that? The substance used to "fluoridate" your water comes from one of the most toxic substances on the planet... FLUORINE. The actual chemical they use is Hexafluorsiliic Acid which is an industrial (Aluminium & Fertilizer Industries) waste product that is also contaminated with lead, arsenic, cadmium & an amount of radioactive isotopes. It's mainly sourced from China.(That should be enough to scare you). There has been no conclusive proof presented by pro-fluoridists since this mass medication/poisoning through public water supplies since it began in the early 1950's that oral ingestion helps prevent tooth decay or that it is safe for the rest of the body & organs. So are all you anti-vaccers drinking your daily dose of Fluoride? ;D

the thing is that they are making non-essential vaccines compulsory too. Hep B for babies? Flu shots? They shodulnt be mandatory so ppl look into it . . . .

SOB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r56CEZtGMp8

FDA Vaccine Insert Lists Autism as Adverse Reaction

http://experimentalvaccines.org/2014/04/04/fda-vaccine-insert-lists-autism-as-adverse-reaction/

FDA
Vaccines, Blood & Biologics
FDA Approved Epidemic?
Vaccines, Blood & Biologics Vaccines Page
91% Fully Vaccinated Involved in Pertussis Outbreak
Vaccines Licensed for Immunization and Distribution in the US
Diphtheria & Tetanus Toxoids & Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
Vaccine Induced Narcolepsy Court Awards Millions
FDA Tripedia
CVS Flu Shot Kills 23 Seniors
DTaP Vaccine Insert FDA
Vaccine Exemption Forms

Unfortunately a youtube video is not evidence. Just watching the video now. At 1:57 he talks about why it has not been evaulated for its effects on carcinogenic, mutagenic effects as though its a bad thing. Why haven't they done this? Because they would have looked at the list of ingredients, said none of those have shown any carcinogenic effect so why bother when they are mixed.

At 2.16 he talks about  review by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) found evidence for a causal relationship between tetanus toxoid and both brachial
neuritis and Guillain-Barré syndrome.

Again so what? All that means is that in at least 1 person they found some evidence to suggest a relationship. That still doesnt negate the benefit-risk analysis. Its not evidence against the widescale use of vaccines, just evidence that in certain people you get an adverse reaction (which has always been known)


Then at 2.25 he lists this point which he claims is damning Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS,
anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, etc.


However this is a list of reported adverse effects. Theres no evidence to suggest that theres a correlation between the vaccines and autism, just that somewhere in the world that someone reported getting autism after receiving this vaccine. They only included it because its a possible serious effect.

It may well be that you have 5 Jenny McCarthy types who mistakenly correlate their childs autism with the vaccine. Its not a relationship


And this is not evidence.

http://vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/oil-based-adjuvants/a-glimpse-into-vaccine-adjuvants/

A Glimpse into the Scary World of Vaccine Adjuvants

Adjuvants are formulated compounds, which when combined with vaccine antigens intensify the body’s immune response. They are used to elicit an early, high and long-lasting immune response. “The chemical nature of adjuvants, their mode of action and their reactions (side effect) are highly variable in terms of how they affect the immune system and how serious their adverse effects are due to the resultant hyperactivation of the immune system. While adjuvants enable the use of less *antigen to achieve the desired immune response and reduce vaccine production costs, with few exceptions, adjuvants are foreign to the body and cause adverse reactions”, writes Australian scientist Viera Scheibner Ph.D, (1)

http://doublethink.us.com/paala/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Mercury-Level-of-Flu-Vaccine.png

The most common adjuvant for human use is an aluminum salt called alum derived from aluminum hydroxide, or aluminum phosphate. A quick read of the scientific literature reveals that the neurotoxic effects of aluminum were recognized 100 years ago. Aluminum is a neurotoxicant and has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological disorders. Prior to 1980, kidney patients undergoing long term dialysis treatments often suffered dialysis encephalopathy syndrome, the result of acute intoxication by the use of an aluminium-containing dialysate. This is now avoided using modern techniques of water purification. In pre-term infants, prolonged intravenous feeding with solutions containing aluminum is associated with impaired neurologic development. Scientists speculate that aluminum neurotoxicity may be related to cell damage via free radical production, impairment of glucose metabolism, and effects on nerve signal transduction. (2) Vaccines which contain both aluminum adjuvants and mercury based preservative, greatly magnify the neurotoxic effects. (3)

Macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF) is a muscle disease first identified in 1993, and has been linked to vaccines containing aluminum adjuvants. Muscle pain is the most frequent symptom which can be localized to the limbs or be more diffuse. Other symptoms include joint pain, muscle weakness, fatigue, fever, and muscle tenderness. The disorder is associated with an altered immune system in some, but not all patients. A study published in the journal Brain (2001) revealed that 50 out of 50 patients had received vaccines against hepatitis B virus (86%), hepatitis A virus (19%) or tetanus toxoid (58%), 3-96 months (median 36 months) before biopsy. “We conclude that the MMF lesion is secondary to intramuscular injection of aluminum hydroxide-containing vaccines, shows both long-term persistence of aluminum hydroxide and an ongoing local immune reaction, and is detected in patients with systemic symptoms which appeared subsequently to vaccination”, write the authors of the study. (4)

But aluminum’s neurotoxicity is of less concern to the vaccine industry than the fact that it elicits a lesser antibody response to the so called purer recombinant or synthetic antigens used in modern day vaccines than in older style live or killed whole organism vaccines. “This has created a major need for improved and more powerful adjuvants for use in these vaccines.” (5)

For decades, vaccine developers have been tinkering with various substances to trick the body into heightened immune responses. The most effective adjuvants are formulated with oils but have long been considered too reactive for use in humans. Immunologists have known for decades that a microscopic dose of even a few molecules of adjuvant injected into the body can cause disturbances in the immune system and have known since the1930’s that oil based adjuvants are particularly dangerous, which is why their use has been restricted to experiments with animals.

The classic oil based adjuvant called Freund’s Complete Adjuvant can cause permanent organ damage and irreversible disease – specifically autoimmune diseases. When scientists want to induce autoimmune disease in a lab animal, they inject it with Freund’s Complete Adjuvant, which causes great suffering and is considered by some too inhumane to even inject into animals.

Dr. Jules Freund creator of this oil based adjuvant warned in 1956 that animals injected with his formulation developed terrible, incurable conditions: allergic aspermatogenesis (stoppage of sperm production), experimental allergic encephalomyelitis (the animal version of MS), allergic neuritis (inflammation of the nerves that can lead to paralysis) and other severe autoimmune disorders. (6)

Adjuvants can break “tolerance”, meaning they can disable the immune system to the degree that it loses its ability to distinguish what is “self” from what is foreign. Normally, the immune system ignores the constituents of one’s own body. Immunologists call this “tolerance”. But if something happens to break “tolerance”, then the immune system turns relentlessly self-destructive, attacking the body it is supposed to defend. (6)

Scientists theorize that oil based adjuvants have the ability to “hyperactivate” the immune system, and in doing so, create chaos by inducing such an extremely powerful response that the immune system literally goes haywire and starts attacking elements it would normally ignore. (6

Tamiflu wasted 100's of MILLIONS of dollars...

Figures for the UK alone. Consider the money stolen globally?

Should this be called 'waste'? I would characterize in a more accurate fashion... Theft.

Government theft of taxpayer money to enrich a multinational corporation.

It was widely know in 09 that Tamiflu was useless and had serious side effects- which are not side effects- they are affects.

Tamiflu brings about serious symptoms that affect you. Badly.

The British government spent $712 million stockpiling Tamiflu and $228 million on Relenza as a precaution in the event of a flu pandemic. The UK took steps to buy enormous quantities of the medicines following a recommendation by the World Health Organization (WHO) in light of the 2009 outbreak of swine flu, which led to 14 deaths in Northern Ireland. Almost $3 billion was spent on the drug worldwide at the height of the pandemic.

"The case for stockpiling antiviral medicines at the current level is based on judgment rather than on evidence of their effectiveness during an influenza pandemic," said Richard Bacon, a leading member of the Parliament's influential Public Accounts Committee. (PAC) 

How much did the Australian Government get conned into stockpiling...at what cost?

http://intellectualcenter.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/uk-wastes-900-mln-on-tamiflu-other.html

http://www.endalldisease.com/50-reasons-to-not-vaccinate-your-children/

50 REASONS NOT TO VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_influenza32.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_titulos/ciencia_influenza32.gif

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/influenza32_01.jpg

These are challenging times and we need to stay calm and think things through - not just panic and react. Fear, panic and emotional reaction got us into this mess and it is certainly not going to get us out of it.

We also need to realize - here, now - that we have long crossed the line into a fully-fledged fascist dictatorship. It has hidden itself to most people this far, but it is about to lift the veil.

It is no longer an option to do nothing or passively acquiesce to authority out of fear or apathy. Or, at least, it's not if we care about our freedoms and, most importantly, those of our children and grandchildren who will have to live almost their entire lives under a global jackboot of sheer, undiluted evil.

The word 'evil' is much overused and I don't say it lightly; but we are dealing with evil in the sense that the word is the reverse of 'live'. Those behind the conspiracy to cull the human population and turn the rest into little more than computer terminals are anti-life. They have no respect for it and no empathy with those who suffer the consequences of their actions, no matter how appalling.

I have been warning of what was coming for nearly 20 years and it is not 'coming' any more - it's here. No more excuses from anyone, please. We have to deal with it. We have to draw a line in the sand and say no more.

Never was this more important than with the conspiracy to force swine flu vaccination upon the global population. The swine flu virus was created in a laboratory to generate mass panic with the specific intention of forcing everyone to have the vaccine. Problem-Reaction-Solution.

This 'natural' swine flu virus apparently contains genes from humans, birds and pigs from several continents.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/influenza32_02.jpg

If you concoct and release a virus and then implement a clearly long-planned mass vaccination program, there can be only one sensible conclusion: swine flu is not the biggest danger here - it's the vaccine.

The scale and speed of the planned vaccination program is insane given that the overwhelming majority of those who have contracted the virus have had very mild symptoms.

Dr Peter Holden of the Rothschild-controlled British Medical Association said that although swine flu was not causing serious illness they were eager to start a mass vaccination campaign, beginning with 'priority groups'. Ugh?? This is not about public health and never was.

Those administering the vaccinations have no clue what is in them or their potential effect. They are just repeaters thinking what they are told to think and doing what they are told to do.

Only those at the core of the conspiracy, and those who bother to research it, know what the game is.

Fricking idiots, learn something about statistical inference before spouting ignorant nonsense.

Millions died of flu in 1919.

People of my age would have had one or two classmates with their legs in callipers because of polio.

I wouldn’t parade your willful ignorance if I were you.

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Fricking idiots, learn something about statistical inference before spouting ignorant nonsense. Millions died of flu in 1919. People of my age would have had one or two classmates with their legs in callipers because of polio. I wouldn’t parade your willful ignorance if I were you.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/04/squalene-the-swine-flu-vaccines-dirty-little-secret-exposed.aspx

Why are Vaccinations Dangerous?

The presumed intent of a vaccination is to help you build immunity to potentially harmful organisms that cause illness and disease. However, your body's immune system is already designed to do this in response to organisms which invade your body naturally.

Most disease-causing organisms enter your body through the mucous membranes of your nose, mouth, pulmonary system or your digestive tract – not through an injection.

These mucous membranes have their own immune system, called the IgA immune system. It is a different system from the one activated when a vaccine is injected into your body.

Your IgA immune system is your body's first line of defense. Its job is to fight off invading organisms at their entry points, reducing or even eliminating the need for activation of your body's immune system.

When a virus is injected into your body in a vaccine, and especially when combined with an immune adjuvant like squalene, your IgA immune system is bypassed and your body's immune system kicks into high gear in response to the vaccination.

Injecting organisms into your body to provoke immunity is contrary to nature, and vaccination carries enormous potential to do serious damage to your health.

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 12^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

Fricking idiots, learn something about statistical inference before spouting ignorant nonsense. Millions died of flu in 1919. People of my age would have had one or two classmates with their legs in callipers because of polio. I wouldn’t parade your willful ignorance if I were you.

Yeah, one of my mates had polio, ended up with a wonky foot and one very thin leg.

Strangely enough that was the only course of vaccinations I didn't complete.
I had the first shot and they lost my paperwork.
As a kid I wasn't about to show them the error of their ways.

Every other innoculation I received as a matter of course.

Anyhow, here I am nudging 70 and the only time I have been really, and I mean REALLY, crook was the year that I forgot to have my 'flu shot.

Go figure....

:)

Interesting to note, Froggie, maybe your system is so used to the flu shots and relies on it, whereas we have never had it an I truly do not want it, even if it is for free.
My mother is 85, and whenever she is urged by her doctor to have the flu shot, she then gets a very bad cold of some sort for weeks.

Now here is an interesting situation I will share that I was being very observant in as it was upsetting.

On Monday, we were still in Cairns, my husband was awoken by the knock on the sliding glass door for breakfast, by friends that were with us for the week holiday in Cairns, he got up to answer, but then seemed very bewildered, I was still half asleep and noticed his slight agitation as he didn't seem to have a clue where he was.
He asked 3 times in the span of a couple of minutes, if our friend had knocked on the door....it made me think, this is like dementia or alzheimers.....he asked what we did yesterday, and didn't remember it, asked what the car key was (near his walet) and I said we had a hire car for the last couple of days. He did not remember it.
I then asked him questions to see how far he had forgetting events in his life, and he could remember early February, everything up till that Monday was forgotten, including our son's engagement on 22nd March  :-? :'(

He didn't know where we were, or what day or month it was. I showed him a photo on the dslr camera of a butterfly on his shoulder and he said "Nope, don't remember it".

I assisted him to the bathroom to prepare to get dressed, took him to breakfast, (as we passed the hire car, he pointed at it and said "that's the car!").
Had brekky, and then walked to the nearby Cairns Base Hospital and into emergency.

To cut a long story short, his memory was coming back in fragments and over the course of the day with all ct scans and x rays and blood tests (which found nothing 'remarkable').....his was remembering events in his life, except for that one hour from answering the door, to when we went to hospital. He has lost one hour of memory, which is better than a couple of months.

So here is the crunch, I learned about TBA and TIA, and the most prominent questions were (after they could not find the cause of it)....
Do you smoke?
Answer was no, never.
Are you on any medications?
Answer was no.
Have you had a flu injection?
And my hubby and I looked at each other, and the answer was, no.
The reason that amazed us of that question was because, just the week before, he was offered a free flu injection at his work where he works part time, but I said not to take it.

I would surmise, that if my husband had that flu shot, they would have put his 'episode' down to that reason, as he is a non smoker.

Those 2 questions stood out more than anything, by a couple of doctors and nurses asking questions.

BTW......they wanted us to stay for further tests, but we had flights booked to come back to Melbourne the next day, so with letter to our own doctor and CD with scans etc. We are now doing further testing over the course of the next few days.

Needless to say, I was worried sick, someone losing their memory is  frightening.
Happy to say, I am badgering him with questions to ask if he remembers this that and the other  ;D
And yes, he remembers the car hire and the butterfly place etc.

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FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury

I don't know about the US, but Australian vaccines don't contain Mercury.


Myth 2: Vaccines contain mercury Mercury was removed from all routine childhood vaccines in Australia in the year 2000 (with the exception of one type of HepB vaccine which contains trace amounts) and it was never in the MMR vaccine. Prior to 2000, thimerosal, an organomercury compound, was used in the manufacturing process of vaccines as a preservative. The process left only trace amounts in the finished product – you ingest more mercury when you eat a can of tuna than you would ever get from a vaccine. Also there are two types of mercury – methyl mercury is the scary environmental toxin that “bioaccumulates” in your body, and ethyl mercury the type found in thimerosal, which does not bioaccumulate. If thimerosal was implicated in autism, you would expect a significant drop in cases after its removal. Instead the opposite is true – autism rates continue to rise.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/vaccination-myths-busted-by-science-cheat-sheet-on-immunisation/

http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/glaxosmithkline-fined-over-vaccine-tests-that-killed-14-babies/

GlaxoSmithKline fined over vaccine tests that killed 14 babies
Posted on January 3, 2012 by The Refusers

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MB Comment: The CEO of Glaxo was just awarded a knighthood by the Queen of England ‘for services to the economy and the UK pharmaceutical industry.’ Check out what services Glaxo was providing to the babies it killed in Argentine vaccine trials.

When vaccines kill babies in the US, the medical profession calls it a coincidence. In Argentina, at least a spade is a spade. But does the punishment fit the crime? A $93,000 fine for killing 14 babies? Glaxo must be rolling in the aisles with fits of laughter in their corporate boardroom. A slap on the hand – kill babies and call it ‘improving the quality of human life.’

But just wait: Glaxo will likely spend way more than $93K on high-priced Argentine lawyers to appeal this verdict. They can’t set a precedent of admitting that vaccines kill people, can they?

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Buenos Aires Herald  Jan 4, 2012

GSK lab fined over vaccine tests that killed 14 babies

GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) Argentina Laboratories company was fined 400,000 pesos by Judge Marcelo Aguinsky following a report issued by the National Administration of Medicine, Food and Technology (ANMAT in Spanish) for the killing of 14 babies during illegal lab vaccine trials conducted between 2007 and 2008 …

The charges included experimenting with human beings, falsifying parental authorizations so babies could participate in vaccine-trials conducted by the laboratory from 2007 to 2008 …

A total of 7 babies died in Santiago del Estero; 5 in Mendoza; and 2 in San Juan …

“GSK Argentina set an protocol at the hospital, and recruited several doctors working there.” “These doctors took advantage of many illiterate parents whom take their children for treatment by pressuring and forcing them into signing these 28-page consent forms and getting them involved in the trials.”

“Laboratories can’t experiment in Europe or the United States, so they come to do it in third-world countries.” Colombian and Panama were also chosen by GSK as staging grounds for trials of the vaccine against the pneumococcal bacteria …

“it is also known that in various particular cases, the doctors who had conducted the trials did not answer the calls made by the worried parents after witnessing their babies’ reactions to the vaccines.” …

Julieta Ovejero, great aunt of one of the six babies who died in Santiago del Estero, said that “A lot of people wanted to leave the protocol but they weren’t allowed; they forced them to continue under the threat that if they leave they won’t receive any other vaccine.” …

Surprisingly, during same year pediatrician Enrique Smith, one of the lead investigators told reporters: “Only 12 have died throughout the country, which is a very low figure if we compare it with the deaths produced by respiratory illnesses caused by the pneumococcal bacteria.” …

GlaxoSmithKline is a global pharmaceutical, biologics, vaccines and consumer healthcare company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It is the world’s third-largest pharmaceutical company measured by revenues after Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer.

Ironically, if one visits GlaxoSmithKline Argentina web site it welcomes the reader with a company disclosure that says: “We have a challenging and inspiring mission to improve the quality of human life by enabling people to do more, feel better and live longer.”

Read the Article

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/88922/gsk-lab-fined-$1m-over-tests-that-killed-14--babies

they just pay to murder ,

just like the vatican also pays to rape

just like the oil industry pay to pollute

for 30 pieces of silver

.. one such as I am does not consent

as divine light continues to shine within all hearts

so be it

namaste

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Origin of AIDS: The Polio Vaccine (CBC 'Witness', 2004)

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On April 12, 1955 Jonas Salk's polio vaccine was first licensed for public use in the U.S. In the years afterwards 90 million Americans were vaccinated in the largest mass vaccination campaign ever. Polio virtually disappeared from the continent and Jonas Salk became a hero.

But not long after, 260 children who were vaccinated with Salk's vaccine became sick. Eleven of them died. An investigation showed that some lots of the vaccine were defective and confidence in it was shaken.

Two scientific greats, Dr. Hilary Koprowski, director of the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia, and Dr. Albert Sabin, a physician at the Cincinnati Children's Hospital, raced to replace the Salk vaccine. Dr. Cecil Fox, a pathologist at the National Institute of Infectious Diseases remembers that it was an intense competition.

Both Sabin and Koprowski's vaccines were derived from monkey organs. They needed to test them in large, non-immunized population groups, no longer available in North America.

Sabin traveled to the U.S.S.R. and vaccinated more than 6 million people in Latvia, Estonia and Kazakhstan between 1958 and 1959. No AIDS cases emerged in the U.S.S.R. where Sabin did his testing.

Koprowski moved his study to the Belgian Congo which had one of Africa's more modern health care infrastructures at the time. Between 1956 and 1960 more then 1 million African people were 'encouraged' to receive Koprowski's vaccine called CHAT.

Sabin analyzed Koprowski's vaccine in 1958 and found it be be 'unstable and contaminated by an unknown virus'. He told Koprowski about his discovery and went then went public with his findings.
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I had Polio hypodermic vaccinations & the oral Sabin vaccine

never got Polio ... or autism

The anti vaccers are still living in communities where their children are ingesting "FLUORIDE" through the poisoning of the public water supply with Hydro-fluorsilliic acid.

A toxic industrial waste contaminated with a myriad of poisons like lead, arsenic & cadmium.

It has been proven that oral ingestion of this poison in the name of dental health does little to prevent any dental caries.

Vaccination has however proven to protect & eliminate scourge diseases that once decimated populations all ove the globe.

It has made our children safer.

If our natural immunity was so good why did so many millions die in pandemics of influenza, typhoid, small pox, polio, tuberculous, plague, chicken pox, pertussis, measles & mumps???????????????????????? 

many blessings ,

do not discount fact

as you observe your fears

of one poison being better than another poison

" Koprowski moved his study to the Belgian Congo which had one of Africa's more modern health care infrastructures at the time. Between 1956 and 1960 more then 1 million African people were 'encouraged' to receive Koprowski's vaccine called CHAT.

Sabin analyzed Koprowski's vaccine in 1958 and found it be be 'unstable and contaminated by an unknown virus'. He told Koprowski about his discovery and went then went public with his findings. "

all remain forgiven

in divine light

so be it

namaste

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Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

I had Polio hypodermic vaccinations & the oral Sabin vaccine never got Polio ... or autism The anti vaccers are still living in communities where their children are ingesting "FLUORIDE" through the poisoning of the public water supply with Hydro-fluorsilliic acid. A toxic industrial waste contaminated with a myriad of poisons like lead, arsenic & cadmium. It has been proven that oral ingestion of this poison in the name of dental health does little to prevent any dental caries. Vaccination has however proven to protect & eliminate scourge diseases that once decimated populations all ove the globe. It has made our children safer. If our natural immunity was so good why did so many millions die in pandemics of influenza, typhoid, small pox, polio, tuberculous, plague, chicken pox, pertussis, measles & mumps????????????????????????

Its mostly about lack of memory amongst these anti-vaxxers. They've never seen a case of polio first hand so they assume it  cant be that bad.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/17/measles-vaccination-mix-up-syria-15-infants-killed


Measles vaccination mix-up leaves 15 infants dead in northern Syria


Quote:

Muscle relaxant given to up to 75 children in an error perhaps caused by the similarities of drug packaging. Medics carrying out a measles vaccination in northern Syria instead administered an anaesthetic to up to 75 infants, killing 15, a preliminary investigation into their deaths has found. The report says an anaesthetic, atracuriam, which is used as a muscle relaxant in surgery was given to the infants, perhaps mixed with the measles vaccine, which had been delivered by aid agencies conducting a mass vaccination program in opposition parts of northern Syria. The error is believed to have occurred because the packaging of the anaesthetic drug was similar to that of the solution used to mix the measles vaccination. The drug is usually fatal when given to infants in the doses administered, but older children can survive low dosages due to their higher body weights. The fatalities occurred in children between 6 and 18 months. The children all presented symptoms within half an hour of being given the drug and were suffering from diarrhoea, shock and respiratory failure. Most of the fatalities were dead before they reached a hospital, according to a local activist.

bump to master Light.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 10:11am:

Its mostly about lack of memory amongst these anti-vaxxers. They've never seen a case of polio first hand so they assume it  cant be that bad.

Ain't that the truth. A little lead's better than a lotta dead.

... wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:41am:

Neither of my kids have ever had a single vaccination.  :) ...and now let the accusations of "bad parenting" "no right to have kids" "wanting children to die" etc etc begin!

It's unquestionably a stupid decision, but that does not mean bad intentions.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:40pm:

Too bad for the people whos lives were permanently destroyed I guess. Reality is that there is not enough long term research, and untill that is given they should never have been released commercially.

The risks of taking vaccines is far outweighed by the risks of the diseases themselves.

Yes, there is a form of mercury in some vaccines, but in those doses it is safe

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/italy-will-investigate-11-deaths-linked-to-flu-vaccine/story-fneszs56-1227140313129

Italy will investigate 11 Deaths linked to flu vaccine
5 HOURS AGO DECEMBER 01, 2014 5:25AM

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Vaccine ... 13 people have died from the Novartis flu vaccine in Italy. Picture: Supplied. Source: Supplied
THE number of people who have died in Italy after being administered a flu vaccine made by Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis has risen to 13.
The Italian Medical Agency (AIFA) has warned against panic and stressed there is not proof yet that it was the vaccine that led to the deaths.
It said it banned two batches of the product — called FLUAD — as a precautionary measure, pending further studies.
AIFA said the European Medical Agency would start examining the problem on Monday, and would report back on Thursday.



Italian authorities issued a partial ban on FLUAD on Thursday after being alerted that three people had died and a fourth had been taken seriously ill within 48 hours of being administered the product.
More cases came to light in the following days.

Probably bad batches rather than any actual fault with the vaccine.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:00am:

Probably bad batches rather than any actual fault with the vaccine.

oh yes good take your chances

why not play russian roulette if you regard your life with such disdain

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freewill

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:01am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:00am: Probably bad batches rather than any actual fault with the vaccine. oh yes good take your chances why not play russian roulette if you regard your life with such disdain

Again, compared to the likelihood I might die from the flu, still lower risk.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:02am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:01am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:00am: Probably bad batches rather than any actual fault with the vaccine. oh yes good take your chances why not play russian roulette if you regard your life with such disdain Again, compared to the likelihood I might die from the flu, still lower risk.

https://thelifeinexile.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/startrekspockfascinating1.jpg

Simply posting a star trek meme is not an  argument. Either come up with evidence or bugger off down that hole you come from.

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 9:52am:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/italy-will-investigate-11-deaths-linked-to-flu-vaccine/story-fneszs56-1227140313129 Italy will investigate 11 Deaths linked to flu vaccine 5 HOURS AGO DECEMBER 01, 2014 5:25AM http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/12/01/1227140/312762-625baabe-78c0-11e4-af6e-cd6ad31dcd05.jpg Vaccine ... 13 people have died from the Novartis flu vaccine in Italy. Picture: Supplied. Source: Supplied THE number of people who have died in Italy after being administered a flu vaccine made by Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis has risen to 13. The Italian Medical Agency (AIFA) has warned against panic and stressed there is not proof yet that it was the vaccine that led to the deaths. It said it banned two batches of the product — called FLUAD — as a precautionary measure, pending further studies. AIFA said the European Medical Agency would start examining the problem on Monday, and would report back on Thursday. Italian authorities issued a partial ban on FLUAD on Thursday after being alerted that three people had died and a fourth had been taken seriously ill within 48 hours of being administered the product. More cases came to light in the following days.

many blessings

11 deaths from fear ...

in that clueless dupes take vaccines because they think

their body cannot handle a common flu..

then when this information is presented upon the relevant and applicable page ..

the messenger is attacked by an incompetent limp wrist

flayling about the place within ignorance and doped up by and of admitted doses of poison mercury squalene and other weaponized contaminants and toxins injected

into outrage bus arm there and he wants as many clueless dupes such as himself

to take their chances and die like 11 just did needlessly yet from their own ignorance and being led around by drug addicts

like outrage here..the substance that just killed 11 people ,

you are exposed as a dealer in drugs that cause death

so be at peace

namaste

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Since the vaccines they took don't contain any thiomersal, I fail to understand how its possible that mercury killed them.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:19am:

Since the vaccines they took don't contain any thiomersal, I fail to understand how its possible that mercury killed them.

when are you due for your next fix of weaponized goodness ..?

do you actually like poisons injected into your bloodstream ???????

im interested in your sanity

namaste

:D

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:25am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:19am: Since the vaccines they took don't contain any thiomersal, I fail to understand how its possible that mercury killed them. when are you due for your next fix of weaponized goodness ..? do you actually like poisons injected into your bloodstream ??????? im interested in your sanity namaste :D

March, already had my flu vaccine for the winter season, and DTaP in Sep before that.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:26am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:25am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:19am: Since the vaccines they took don't contain any thiomersal, I fail to understand how its possible that mercury killed them. when are you due for your next fix of weaponized goodness ..? do you actually like poisons injected into your bloodstream ??????? im interested in your sanity namaste :D March, already had my flu vaccine for the winter season, and DTaP in Sep before that.

ok,

here is another method to heal rather than vaccines .. have you tried this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwzlz8xQuMo

How to use smell to balance your brain Dr Sam Shay

http://tenpointwellness.com/

namaste

- : ) =

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:26am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:25am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:19am: Since the vaccines they took don't contain any thiomersal, I fail to understand how its possible that mercury killed them. when are you due for your next fix of weaponized goodness ..? do you actually like poisons injected into your bloodstream ??????? im interested in your sanity namaste :D March, already had my flu vaccine for the winter season, and DTaP in Sep before that.

many blessings you didnt answer

do you like having these vaccines injected directly into your bloodstream ?

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 11:13am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:26am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:25am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:19am: Since the vaccines they took don't contain any thiomersal, I fail to understand how its possible that mercury killed them. when are you due for your next fix of weaponized goodness ..? do you actually like poisons injected into your bloodstream ??????? im interested in your sanity namaste :D March, already had my flu vaccine for the winter season, and DTaP in Sep before that. many blessings you didnt answer do you like having these vaccines injected directly into your bloodstream ? namaste

Don't know. THe vaccines are given IM, so never into the bloodstream. But I never notice the injection really to have emotional attachments either way

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 11:13am:

do you like having these vaccines injected directly into your bloodstream ?

Love it.  Love the fact that me, along with everyone else in the human race can work together to eliminate horrible diseases responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people worldwide.

Love me some vaccines.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 11:18am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 11:13am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:26am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:25am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:19am: Since the vaccines they took don't contain any thiomersal, I fail to understand how its possible that mercury killed them. when are you due for your next fix of weaponized goodness ..? do you actually like poisons injected into your bloodstream ??????? im interested in your sanity namaste :D March, already had my flu vaccine for the winter season, and DTaP in Sep before that. many blessings you didnt answer do you like having these vaccines injected directly into your bloodstream ? namaste Don't know. THe vaccines are given IM, so never into the bloodstream. But I never notice the injection really to have emotional attachments either way

many blessings

that would explain the lack in brainular function

at, but not limited to , the ganglionic region therefore

incapacitating the ability to discern poison from medicine

this is observed for what it is yet even with 11 recorded deaths here

some will fight to the grave as it were

to defend their belief system ...

carry on regardless

namaste

- : ) =

Generally brains dont have ganglions. Ganglions by definition only exist in the peripheral nervous system. The brain is the central nervous system.


It would help if you learnt basic anatomy.


Additionally, we only have 11 recorded deaths. As yet, the cause has not been determined.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 1:49pm:

Generally brains dont have ganglions. Ganglions by definition only exist in the peripheral nervous system. The brain is the central nervous system. It would help if you learnt basic anatomy. Additionally, we only have 11 recorded deaths. As yet, the cause has not been determined.

many blessings

the ganglionic area ,annexed to the brain , in that

this region assists the brain to transmit ,interpret

and deliberate information at , but not limited to the sub atomic level in your physical garment / body observed in your modern sciences

the brain as you define in these terms , will not ,

cannot function in its totality without aforementioned region attached and annexed to

the human brain , in which to be quite clear in specificity

the term brainular was used in defining the apparatus described ... some continue to fumble around for semantics

while mercury and squalene permeate throughout your physical being and as such

you are hooked on drugs and are in no position

or have any moral authority upon this subject you wish to dissect into your limited linguistical knowledge upon the facts therein of aforementioned

you are dearly loved so be it

namaste

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Again thanks for ignoring every anatomical textbook and then just putting words together in a meaningless sequence.

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 1:47pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 11:18am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 11:13am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:26am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:25am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:19am: Since the vaccines they took don't contain any thiomersal, I fail to understand how its possible that mercury killed them. when are you due for your next fix of weaponized goodness ..? do you actually like poisons injected into your bloodstream ??????? im interested in your sanity namaste :D March, already had my flu vaccine for the winter season, and DTaP in Sep before that. many blessings you didnt answer do you like having these vaccines injected directly into your bloodstream ? namaste Don't know. THe vaccines are given IM, so never into the bloodstream. But I never notice the injection really to have emotional attachments either way many blessings that would explain the lack in brainular function at, but not limited to , the ganglionic region therefore incapacitating the ability to discern poison from medicine this is observed for what it is yet even with 11 recorded deaths here some will fight to the grave as it were to defend their belief system ... carry on regardless namaste - : ) =

you are corrected in your brainular deficiency

- : ) =

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 2:02pm:

Again thanks for ignoring every anatomical textbook and then just putting words together in a meaningless sequence.

please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region

if you are OD~ING on squalene you will be forgiven

either way be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:02pm: Again thanks for ignoring every anatomical textbook and then just putting words together in a meaningless sequence. please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region if you are OD~ING on squalen you will be forgiven namaste - : ) =

It doesnt have a ganglion.


In anatomy, a ganglion (/ˈɡæŋɡliən/ GANG-glee-ən; plural ganglia) is a nerve cell cluster[1] or a group of nerve cell bodies located in the peripheral nervous system.[2][3]

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 2:07pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:06pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:02pm: Again thanks for ignoring every anatomical textbook and then just putting words together in a meaningless sequence. please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region if you are OD~ING on squalen you will be forgiven namaste - : ) = It doesnt have a ganglion. In anatomy, a ganglion (/ˈɡæŋɡliən/ GANG-glee-ən; plural ganglia) is a nerve cell cluster[1] or a group of nerve cell bodies located in the peripheral nervous system.[2][3]

yes you remain confused in your semantical paradigm

the term referenced was brainular

that is consisting of that which supports the brain and all aspects therein

you think I said brain , which I did not

the term referenced was brainular and the ganglionic centre residing therein ...

please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region

you are on a semantical tangent of your own volition

and continue to argue against your own insanity

this is observed with forgiveness as you are riddled

with mercury and squalene ...

this is not a position of authority upon this subject as you are tainted as you are saturated with the poison product in question

that is you are afflicted with , but not limited to ,the side effects that are congruent with your confusion .

you have effectively been taken out of this debate as you are high on drugs ..

and are hanging out for your next fix...

this is forgiven

does this comfort you ?

so be it

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 4:46pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:07pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:06pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:02pm: Again thanks for ignoring every anatomical textbook and then just putting words together in a meaningless sequence. please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region if you are OD~ING on squalen you will be forgiven namaste - : ) = It doesnt have a ganglion. In anatomy, a ganglion (/ˈɡæŋɡliən/ GANG-glee-ən; plural ganglia) is a nerve cell cluster[1] or a group of nerve cell bodies located in the peripheral nervous system.[2][3] yes you remain confused in your semantical paradigm the term referenced was brainular that is consisting of that which supports the brain and all aspects therein you think I said brain , which I did not the term referenced was brainular and the ganglionic centre residing therein ... please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region you are on a semantical tangent of your own volition and continue to argue against your own insanity this is observed with forgiveness as you are riddled with mercury and squalene ... this is not a position of authority upon this subject as you are tainted as you are saturated with the poison product in question that is you are afflicted with , but not limited to ,the side effects that are congruent with your confusion . you have effectively been taken out of this debate as you are high on drugs .. and are hanging out for your next fix... this is forgiven does this comfort you ? so be it namaste - : ) =

Yep, where is this ganglionic region or did you just pull this out of thin air.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 8:01pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 4:46pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:07pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:06pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:02pm: Again thanks for ignoring every anatomical textbook and then just putting words together in a meaningless sequence. please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region if you are OD~ING on squalen you will be forgiven namaste - : ) = It doesnt have a ganglion. In anatomy, a ganglion (/ˈɡæŋɡliən/ GANG-glee-ən; plural ganglia) is a nerve cell cluster[1] or a group of nerve cell bodies located in the peripheral nervous system.[2][3] yes you remain confused in your semantical paradigm the term referenced was brainular that is consisting of that which supports the brain and all aspects therein you think I said brain , which I did not the term referenced was brainular and the ganglionic centre residing therein ... please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region you are on a semantical tangent of your own volition and continue to argue against your own insanity this is observed with forgiveness as you are riddled with mercury and squalene ... this is not a position of authority upon this subject as you are tainted as you are saturated with the poison product in question that is you are afflicted with , but not limited to ,the side effects that are congruent with your confusion . you have effectively been taken out of this debate as you are high on drugs .. and are hanging out for your next fix... this is forgiven does this comfort you ? so be it namaste - : ) = Yep, where is this ganglionic region or did you just pull this out of thin air.

many blessings ,

it would appear you have not much a clue about this physical phenomenon

https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/images/thumb/f/fd/Keith1902_fig046.jpg/500px-Keith1902_fig046.jpg

as a direct result of your love for all things squalene and mercury

this is observed for what it is

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 9:11pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 8:01pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 4:46pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:07pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:06pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 2:02pm: Again thanks for ignoring every anatomical textbook and then just putting words together in a meaningless sequence. please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region if you are OD~ING on squalen you will be forgiven namaste - : ) = It doesnt have a ganglion. In anatomy, a ganglion (/ˈɡæŋɡliən/ GANG-glee-ən; plural ganglia) is a nerve cell cluster[1] or a group of nerve cell bodies located in the peripheral nervous system.[2][3] yes you remain confused in your semantical paradigm the term referenced was brainular that is consisting of that which supports the brain and all aspects therein you think I said brain , which I did not the term referenced was brainular and the ganglionic centre residing therein ... please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region you are on a semantical tangent of your own volition and continue to argue against your own insanity this is observed with forgiveness as you are riddled with mercury and squalene ... this is not a position of authority upon this subject as you are tainted as you are saturated with the poison product in question that is you are afflicted with , but not limited to ,the side effects that are congruent with your confusion . you have effectively been taken out of this debate as you are high on drugs .. and are hanging out for your next fix... this is forgiven does this comfort you ? so be it namaste - : ) = Yep, where is this ganglionic region or did you just pull this out of thin air. many blessings , it would appear you have not much a clue about this physical phenomenon https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/images/thumb/f/fd/Keith1902_fig046.jpg/500px-Keith1902_fig046.jpg as a direct result of your love for all things squalene and mercury this is observed for what it is namaste - : ) =

No because 1. It doesnt exist
2. You're on prescription medications
3. You're using the incorrect definition of the term ganglion
4. See above 3

Oh yes and if you're referring to that gang of lateral root. Be aware thats outside the brain in the peripheral nervous system.

Quote:

No because 1. It doesnt exist 2. You're on prescription medications 3. You're using the incorrect definition of the term ganglion 4. See above 3 Oh yes and if you're referring to that gang of lateral root. Be aware thats outside the brain in the peripheral nervous system.

yes you remain confused in your semantical paradigm

the term referenced was brainular

that is consisting of that which supports the brain and all aspects therein

you think I said brain , which I did not

the term referenced was brainular and the ganglionic centre residing therein ...

please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region

you are on a semantical tangent of your own volition

and continue to argue against your own insanity

this is observed with forgiveness as you are riddled

with mercury and squalene ...

this is not a position of authority upon this subject as you are tainted as you are saturated with the poison product in question

that is you are afflicted with , but not limited to ,the side effects that are congruent with your confusion .

you have effectively been taken out of this debate as you are high on drugs ..

and are hanging out for your next fix...

this is forgiven

does this comfort you ?

so be it

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 5:01am:

Quote: No because 1. It doesnt exist 2. You're on prescription medications 3. You're using the incorrect definition of the term ganglion 4. See above 3 Oh yes and if you're referring to that gang of lateral root. Be aware thats outside the brain in the peripheral nervous system. yes you remain confused in your semantical paradigm the term referenced was brainular that is consisting of that which supports the brain and all aspects therein you think I said brain , which I did not

Interesting, how you are clutching at straws and throwing in your 'semantic paradigms' for a word that doesn't even exist in either the Oxford or Webster's dictionary. I suppose it's one of those newies -- like buttular, which describes a person who plagiarizes information and then presents it as their own claiming to be the enlightened one, when most of their brain power actually resides in their butt.

ColdFact wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 5:51am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 5:01am: Quote: No because 1. It doesnt exist 2. You're on prescription medications 3. You're using the incorrect definition of the term ganglion 4. See above 3 Oh yes and if you're referring to that gang of lateral root. Be aware thats outside the brain in the peripheral nervous system. yes you remain confused in your semantical paradigm the term referenced was brainular that is consisting of that which supports the brain and all aspects therein you think I said brain , which I did not Interesting, how you are clutching at straws and throwing in your 'semantic paradigms' for a word that doesn't even exist in either the Oxford or Webster's dictionary. I suppose it's one of those newies -- like buttular, which describes a person who plagiarizes information and then presents it as their own claiming to be the enlightened one, when most of their brain power actually resides in their butt.

many blessings

another id the cold one has been corrected

for his/her disinformationalisticalisms

many sycophanatical types yearn and desire to repeat anything

as long as the word is in a governMENTAL book of sanctioned wordage.. yet the cold one

has felt the same sting from divine light

as outrage continues to experience

this was predicted and is in accordance with

the divine plan .. .so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

[quote author=WESLEY.PIPES link=1333413031/3#3 date=1333413676]Neither of my kids have ever had a single vaccination.  :)

It's a decision every parent has to make.  My son had a reaction some hours after and had to rushed by ambulance to hospital. 

Being a person who trusts neither government, media nor the medical profession, I gave vaccines a lot of thought.  But there are big, bad diseases out there that strike down a child with devastating consequences.
So all my kids are vaccinated. 

Of course the other point is that vaccines don't always work.  I was vaccinated against typhoid but caught the dreaded bug whilst living in Asia.  I can still hear those jungle drums.

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 6:03am:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 5:51am: it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 5:01am: Quote: No because 1. It doesnt exist 2. You're on prescription medications 3. You're using the incorrect definition of the term ganglion 4. See above 3 Oh yes and if you're referring to that gang of lateral root. Be aware thats outside the brain in the peripheral nervous system. yes you remain confused in your semantical paradigm the term referenced was brainular that is consisting of that which supports the brain and all aspects therein you think I said brain , which I did not Interesting, how you are clutching at straws and throwing in your 'semantic paradigms' for a word that doesn't even exist in either the Oxford or Webster's dictionary. I suppose it's one of those newies -- like buttular, which describes a person who plagiarizes information and then presents it as their own claiming to be the enlightened one, when most of their brain power actually resides in their butt. many blessings another id the cold one has been corrected for his/her disinformationalisticalisms many sycophanatical types yearn and desire to repeat anything as long as the word is in a governMENTAL book of sanctioned wordage.. yet the cold one has felt the same sting from divine light as outrage continues to experience this was predicted and is in accordance with the divine plan .. .so be at peace namaste - : ) =

Very buttular comment,  oh "Lights On But Nobody Home".

Edit: Look!  I gave you capitals!

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 5:01am:

Quote: No because 1. It doesnt exist 2. You're on prescription medications 3. You're using the incorrect definition of the term ganglion 4. See above 3 Oh yes and if you're referring to that gang of lateral root. Be aware thats outside the brain in the peripheral nervous system. yes you remain confused in your semantical paradigm the term referenced was brainular that is consisting of that which supports the brain and all aspects therein you think I said brain , which I did not the term referenced was brainular and the ganglionic centre residing therein ... please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region you are on a semantical tangent of your own volition and continue to argue against your own insanity this is observed with forgiveness as you are riddled with mercury and squalene ... this is not a position of authority upon this subject as you are tainted as you are saturated with the poison product in question that is you are afflicted with , but not limited to ,the side effects that are congruent with your confusion . you have effectively been taken out of this debate as you are high on drugs .. and are hanging out for your next fix... this is forgiven does this comfort you ? so be it namaste - : ) =

Oh we already have a word for brainular. Its nervous. I agree with ColdFact, you're making up terms to sound intellectual, whereas on closer examination, you're quasi-intellectual, that is faking being clever.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 8:40am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 5:01am: Quote: No because 1. It doesnt exist 2. You're on prescription medications 3. You're using the incorrect definition of the term ganglion 4. See above 3 Oh yes and if you're referring to that gang of lateral root. Be aware thats outside the brain in the peripheral nervous system. yes you remain confused in your semantical paradigm the term referenced was brainular that is consisting of that which supports the brain and all aspects therein you think I said brain , which I did not the term referenced was brainular and the ganglionic centre residing therein ... please explain how the brain can function without the ganglionic region you are on a semantical tangent of your own volition and continue to argue against your own insanity this is observed with forgiveness as you are riddled with mercury and squalene ... this is not a position of authority upon this subject as you are tainted as you are saturated with the poison product in question that is you are afflicted with , but not limited to ,the side effects that are congruent with your confusion . you have effectively been taken out of this debate as you are high on drugs .. and are hanging out for your next fix... this is forgiven does this comfort you ? so be it namaste - : ) = Oh we already have a word for brainular. Its nervous. I agree with ColdFact, you're making up terms to sound intellectual, whereas on closer examination, you're quasi-intellectual, that is faking being clever.

many blessings

you seem preocupied and dismayed

that some say potato and some say tomato

you need a book to tell you what a word is

this is observed for what that is ... and so ...

you are forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

Preoccupied

Is there any peer reviewed scientific papers that suggest that vaccines are dangerous?

as some demand government sanctioned wordage

and sycophanaticisms, bodies hit the floor from hotshot vaccines

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-29/italy-probes-11-deaths-in-novartis-flu-vaccine-review.html

taly Probes 11 Deaths in Novartis Flu Vaccine Review
By Dan Liefgreen  Nov 29, 2014 10:23 PM GMT+1000

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A logo sits on a glass door outside Novartis AG's headquarters in Basel, Switzerland. A...

Italy’s drug regulator said it’s investigating the deaths of an additional eight people who took Novartis AG (NOVN)’s Fluad influenza vaccine, bringing to 11 the number of fatalities under review.

The eight fatalities include those of people who took doses of two batches of the drug that have been suspended as a precaution, as well as other lots of the vaccine, the Italian Pharmaceutical Agency said in a statement late yesterday.

“At the moment it’s not possible to confirm that there is a direct link between taking the vaccine and the reported deaths,” the agency said. “More complete information is necessary and a thorough analysis of the cases must be conducted.”

Novartis said yesterday that “no causal relationship” has been found between the vaccine and the deaths. A review of the two suspended batches “has confirmed that they are in conformity with all production and quality standards,” the Basel, Switzerland-based company said in a statement.

Italy’s drug regulator, known as AIFA, yesterday suspended two batches of the vaccine after three people died within 48 hours of receiving the shot. At the same time, the agency stressed the importance of vaccines to prevent influenza.

Fluad, approved in 1997, has a “robust” safety history, Novartis said yesterday.

The two batches suspended are numbered 142701 and 143301. The agency said people with home packs of the vaccine should check the lot numbers and contact their doctors for alternative vaccination options if the numbers match.

Convulsions in children immunized with a flu shot from Melbourne-based CSL Ltd. in 2010 were caused by an excessive immune response to viral components in the vaccine, a study found. GlaxoSmithKline Plc’s Pandemrix swine-flu vaccine has been linked with an increased risk of of narcolepsy in the U.K., Finland and Sweden.

To contact the reporter on this story: Dan Liefgreen in Milan at dliefgreen@bloomberg.net

some are too doped up on mercury and squalene to know any wiser

forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

“At the moment it’s not possible to confirm that there is a direct link between taking the vaccine and the reported deaths,” the agency said. “More complete information is necessary and a thorough analysis of the cases must be conducted.”



Take home message from that report.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 8:26am:

“At the moment it’s not possible to confirm that there is a direct link between taking the vaccine and the reported deaths,” the agency said. “More complete information is necessary and a thorough analysis of the cases must be conducted.” Take home message from that report.

many blessings

that is one link try some more ...

you get bogged down in negativity

one such as I am observes

with forgiveness

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 2:00pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 3rd, 2014 at 8:26am: “At the moment it’s not possible to confirm that there is a direct link between taking the vaccine and the reported deaths,” the agency said. “More complete information is necessary and a thorough analysis of the cases must be conducted.” Take home message from that report. many blessings that is one link try some more ... you get bogged down in negativity one such as I am observes with forgiveness namaste - : ) =

You call it negativity, I call it evidence.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 2:01pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 3rd, 2014 at 2:00pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 3rd, 2014 at 8:26am: “At the moment it’s not possible to confirm that there is a direct link between taking the vaccine and the reported deaths,” the agency said. “More complete information is necessary and a thorough analysis of the cases must be conducted.” Take home message from that report. many blessings that is one link try some more ... you get bogged down in negativity one such as I am observes with forgiveness namaste - : ) = You call it negativity, I call it evidence.

many blessings beloved being

one such as I am observes that you , along with various other entities upon these pages

do exist in a constant state of emergency ..

this emergency is brought about by your own fears

and as such these will continue to permeate throughout your physical being

until your fears consume you ...

well the fear or the mercury and squalene

whichever consumes you first that will be the catalyst

and so .. you may be at peace being proven correct that you need to worry and

inject your physical vessel with toxic substances

created by corporations

love and light to you

namaste

- : ) =

A random jumble of words

many blessings

one may imagine , from observation of you outrage ..

in that you are in a constant state of emergency

you choose to be in fear , and as such

there is no peace for you of your own choosing ...

there is no other that can change this for you only you may do this .. however

you are effectively taken out of the deliberations according to fact here, and facts are truths ..

as one such as I am announces and brings forth much and many in humility ..

yet you are effected by non natural drugs in your system namely the toxic remnance from all the vaccines

you freely admit to have taken ... you are hooked on drugs ,

and as such you are excused as you fumble about

demanding that others HAVE to convince you of anything contrary to your programming ,

you are welcomed unto it yes

yet you have no authority here for you are drug addled ..

this would be on account of the mercury and squalene and such

yet you are forgiven with so very much love

for being hooked on your drugs you inject into your arm

be at peace

bodhisattva

~ : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

many blessings one may imagine , from observation of you outrage .. in that you are in a constant state of emergency you choose to be in fear , and as such there is no peace for you of your own choosing ... there is no other that can change this for you only you may do this .. however you are effectively taken out of the deliberations according to fact here, and facts are truths .. as one such as I am announces and brings forth much and many in humility .. yet you are effected by non natural drugs in your system namely the toxic remnance from all the vaccines you freely admit to have taken ... you are hooked on drugs , and as such you are excused as you fumble about demanding that others HAVE to convince you of anything contrary to your programming , you are welcomed unto it yes yet you have no authority here for you are drug addled .. this would be on account of the mercury and squalene and such yet you are forgiven with so very much love for being hooked on your drugs you inject into your arm be at peace bodhisattva ~ : ) =

Sorry thats the way science works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 3:51pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 3rd, 2014 at 3:44pm: many blessings one may imagine , from observation of you outrage .. in that you are in a constant state of emergency you choose to be in fear , and as such there is no peace for you of your own choosing ... there is no other that can change this for you only you may do this .. however you are effectively taken out of the deliberations according to fact here, and facts are truths .. as one such as I am announces and brings forth much and many in humility .. yet you are effected by non natural drugs in your system namely the toxic remnance from all the vaccines you freely admit to have taken ... you are hooked on drugs , and as such you are excused as you fumble about demanding that others HAVE to convince you of anything contrary to your programming , you are welcomed unto it yes yet you have no authority here for you are drug addled .. this would be on account of the mercury and squalene and such yet you are forgiven with so very much love for being hooked on your drugs you inject into your arm be at peace bodhisattva ~ : ) = Sorry thats the way science works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

yes the evidence is in

you admit you are a drug addict

and you inject into your blood

this is forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

Quote:

Sorry thats the way science works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

you are forgiven


http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/italy-will-investigate-11-deaths-linked-to-flu-vaccine/story-fneszs56-1227140313129

Italy will investigate 11 Deaths linked to flu vaccine
5 HOURS AGO DECEMBER 01, 2014 5:25AM

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Vaccine ... 13 people have died from the Novartis flu vaccine in Italy. Picture: Supplied. Source: Supplied
THE number of people who have died in Italy after being administered a flu vaccine made by Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis has risen to 13.
The Italian Medical Agency (AIFA) has warned against panic and stressed there is not proof yet that it was the vaccine that led to the deaths.
It said it banned two batches of the product — called FLUAD — as a precautionary measure, pending further studies.
AIFA said the European Medical Agency would start examining the problem on Monday, and would report back on Thursday.



Italian authorities issued a partial ban on FLUAD on Thursday after being alerted that three people had died and a fourth had been taken seriously ill within 48 hours of being administered the product.
More cases came to light in the following days.

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Quote: Sorry thats the way science works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. you are forgiven http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/italy-will-investigate-11-deaths-linked-to-flu-vaccine/story-fneszs56-1227140313129 Italy will investigate 11 Deaths linked to flu vaccine 5 HOURS AGO DECEMBER 01, 2014 5:25AM http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/12/01/1227140/312762-625baabe-78c0-11e4-af6e-cd6ad31dcd05.jpg Vaccine ... 13 people have died from the Novartis flu vaccine in Italy. Picture: Supplied. Source: Supplied THE number of people who have died in Italy after being administered a flu vaccine made by Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis has risen to 13. The Italian Medical Agency (AIFA) has warned against panic and stressed there is not proof yet that it was the vaccine that led to the deaths. It said it banned two batches of the product — called FLUAD — as a precautionary measure, pending further studies. AIFA said the European Medical Agency would start examining the problem on Monday, and would report back on Thursday. Italian authorities issued a partial ban on FLUAD on Thursday after being alerted that three people had died and a fourth had been taken seriously ill within 48 hours of being administered the product. More cases came to light in the following days.

Perhaps you should heed the warning NOT to panic????

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Quote: Sorry thats the way science works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. you are forgiven http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/italy-will-investigate-11-deaths-linked-to-flu-vaccine/story-fneszs56-1227140313129 Italy will investigate 11 Deaths linked to flu vaccine 5 HOURS AGO DECEMBER 01, 2014 5:25AM http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/12/01/1227140/312762-625baabe-78c0-11e4-af6e-cd6ad31dcd05.jpg Vaccine ... 13 people have died from the Novartis flu vaccine in Italy. Picture: Supplied. Source: Supplied THE number of people who have died in Italy after being administered a flu vaccine made by Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis has risen to 13. The Italian Medical Agency (AIFA) has warned against panic and stressed there is not proof yet that it was the vaccine that led to the deaths. It said it banned two batches of the product — called FLUAD — as a precautionary measure, pending further studies. AIFA said the European Medical Agency would start examining the problem on Monday, and would report back on Thursday. Italian authorities issued a partial ban on FLUAD on Thursday after being alerted that three people had died and a fourth had been taken seriously ill within 48 hours of being administered the product. More cases came to light in the following days.

IITL, where are you getting your information from regarding this?

Your provided link does not say what your post does.

http://www.naturalnews.com/045418_flu_shots_influenza_vaccines_mercury.html


EXCLUSIVE: Natural News tests flu vaccine for heavy metals, finds 25,000 times higher mercury level than EPA limit for water

Mercury tests conducted on vaccines at the Natural News Forensic Food Lab have revealed a shockingly high level of toxic mercury in an influenza vaccine (flu shot) made by GlaxoSmithKline (lot #9H2GX). Tests conducted via ICP-MS document mercury in the Flulaval vaccine at a shocking 51 parts per million, or over 25,000 times higher than the maximum contaminant level of inorganic mercury in drinking water set by the EPA.(1)

The tests were conducted via ICP-MS using a 4-point mercury calibration curve for accuracy. Even then, the extremely high level of mercury found in this flu shot was higher than anything we've ever tested, including tuna and ocean fish which are known for high mercury contamination.

In fact, the concentration of mercury found in this GSK flu shot was 100 times higher than the highest level of mercury we've ever tested in contaminated fish. And yet vaccines are injected directly into the body, making them many times more toxic than anything ingested orally. As my previous research into foods has already documented, mercury consumed orally is easily blocked by eating common foods like strawberries or peanut butter, both of which bind with and capture about 90% of dietary mercury.

Here are the actual results of what we found in the influenza vaccine from GSK (lot #9H2GX):

Aluminum: 0.4 ppm
Arsenic: zero
Cadmium: zero
Lead: zero
Mercury: 51 ppm

All tests were conducted via calibrated, high-end ICP-MS instrumentation as shown in these lab videos.

Doctors, pharmacists and mainstream media continue to lie about mercury in vaccines

As you take in the scientifically-validated fact that mercury exists at very high concentrations in flu vaccines, keep in mind that most doctors, pharmacists and members of the mainstream media continue to stage an elaborate lie that claims mercury has "already been removed from vaccines."

Never mind the fact that the use of mercury is admitted right on the package containing the vaccine vial. And now, Natural News has scientifically confirmed the mercury content of flu vaccines using high-end laboratory instrumentation. The existence of high mercury in flu shots is irrefutable.

Anyone who claims mercury has been removed from all vaccines is either wildly ignorant or willfully lying. And anyone who would knowingly allow themselves to be injected with mercury is probably already a victim of the kind of brain damage well known to be caused by mercury.

Insert admits "no controlled trials"

Shockingly, the package insert for this flu shot readily admits the vaccine has never been subjected to scientific clinical trials:

"There have been no controlled trials adequately demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with Flulaval," the package insert claims in tiny text (that no one reads).

This is printed right on the insert, yet no one in the mainstream media will ever report this astonishing admission. This statement, all by itself, is a confession that flu shot marketing is a fraud.

Across the board, flu shots are heavily propagandized and promoted with the implication that they have zero risks while offering 100% protection. No one in the mainstream media ever questions this claim even though the package insert openly admits the claim is complete hokum and has never been subjected to scientific scrutiny.

No evidence of safety or effectiveness in pregnant women

But that's not all the insert admits. It also says:

"Safety and effectiveness of Flulaval have not been established in pregnant women, nursing mothers or children."

And yet everywhere you go in America, there's a Walgreens, CVS or Wal-Mart pharmacy promoting flu shots for pregnant women. Never mind the fact that flu shot safety has never been established in pregnant women, and never mind the obvious fact that you should never inject a pregnant women with mercury in the first place!

Who needs scientific proof when you've got the full propaganda of the media and the government to back you up? Anyone who dares question the scientific validity of flu shot safety for pregnant women is immediately attacked as being an opponent of all vaccines.

Apparently, the only requirement to be accepted by the vaccine community is to believe in medical fairy tales while abandoning all critical thinking and scientific skepticism. In the vaccine industry, genuine science is simply not allowed. No wonder two former Merck virologists filed a False Claims Act with the federal government, accusing the company of knowingly fabricating its vaccine efficacy data to trick the FDA.

Never proven safe or effective in children, either

Flu shots are heavily promoted for children, right alongside mumps and measles vaccines. But it turns out flu shots are never scientifically tested for safety or efficacy in children.

Check out what the insert for this vaccine directly admits:

"Safety and effectiveness of Flulaval in pediatric patients have not been established."

It's right there in black and white... an open admission. Yet flu shots are aggressively marketed to parents and children as if they were Tic-Tacs. The real beauty of the entire vaccine industry scam is that no scientific evidence is required! You don't have to have any proof !...

You posted this before and I posted the same arguments against Mike Adams validity 

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

You posted this before and I posted the same arguments against Mike Adams validity

many blessings

you are drug addled , and as such

you have no authority for you are hooked on the drugs in question ,

therefore

you have no standing in this thread other than a negative drug addled dupe whom is hooked on mercury and squalene ,

consequently these tests continue to be conducted

in independent labratories , not glaxo kline  and big pharma labs

and you seem upset they are going to bann your fix , you are wise to be upset for you are about to go cold turkey ..

this will happen very soon world wide awareness of toxic mercury and squalene in vaccines ,

so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

yes you may not get a flu 

( lol you will get a dose of the flu injected into your blood yet the symptoms will be masked in some cases , other cases you do get the flu symptoms manifest ... getting the flu is a natural process in the human experience )

yet your body will be riddled

with mercury and squalene and other toxic nano nasties ..

you admit you shoot your drugs into your arm ..

seek help for your addiction

then be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

1. The FDA already listed the vaccine as having that level of mercury in the vaccine. All Mike Adams did was use the ICP-MS to confirm what the FDA lists in the vaccine.

2. Theres mercury in the vaccine, so smacking what? Its not the amount thats important its the state. I've said it a hundred times before and I'll say it until eventually you get it through that thick brain of yours. Thiomersal as an ethylmercury which clears with a half life of about 18 days in adults, which is significantly faster than methylmercury.


But once again, I'll be told I'm drug-addled like the intellectual reject of society you are i_am_the_retard

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

1. The FDA already listed the vaccine as having that level of mercury in the vaccine. All Mike Adams did was use the ICP-MS to confirm what the FDA lists in the vaccine. 2. Theres mercury in the vaccine, so smacking what? Its not the amount thats important its the state. I've said it a hundred times before and I'll say it until eventually you get it through that thick brain of yours. Thiomersal as an ethylmercury which clears with a half life of about 18 days in adults, which is significantly faster than methylmercury. But once again, I'll be told I'm drug-addled like the intellectual reject of society you are i_am_the_retard

many blessings yes you are the retard by your own drug addled hand

there is a certain level of retardation involved when you shoot drugs up like you do

you are addicted and the first step is to admit that

until then you are in denial of reality ... yes

the reality that you shoot mercury into your arm with a side of squalene

you are forgiven for being a self confessed drug addict

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 2:17pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 2:15pm: 1. The FDA already listed the vaccine as having that level of mercury in the vaccine. All Mike Adams did was use the ICP-MS to confirm what the FDA lists in the vaccine. 2. Theres mercury in the vaccine, so smacking what? Its not the amount thats important its the state. I've said it a hundred times before and I'll say it until eventually you get it through that thick brain of yours. Thiomersal as an ethylmercury which clears with a half life of about 18 days in adults, which is significantly faster than methylmercury. But once again, I'll be told I'm drug-addled like the intellectual reject of society you are i_am_the_retard many blessings yes you are the retard by your own drug addled hand there is a certain level of retardation involved when you shoot drugs up like you do you are addicted and the first step is to admit that until then you are in denial of reality ... yes the reality that you shoot mercury into your arm with a side of squalene you are forgiven for being a self confessed drug addict namaste - : ) =

A 2009 meta-analysis by researchers at Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics that was published in the journal Vaccine brought together data from 64 clinical trials of influenza vaccines with the squalene-containing adjuvant MF59 and compared them to the effects of vaccines with no adjuvant. The analysis reported that the adjuvanted vaccines were associated with slightly lower risks of chronic diseases, but that neither type of vaccines altered the rate of autoimmune diseases; the authors concluded that their data "supports the good safety profile associated with MF59-adjuvanted influenza vaccines and suggests there may be a clinical benefit over non-MF59-containing vaccines".[21]

http://dump.partyflock.nl/8525/Drugs_are_bad_mkay.jpg

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 2:17pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 2:15pm: 1. The FDA already listed the vaccine as having that level of mercury in the vaccine. All Mike Adams did was use the ICP-MS to confirm what the FDA lists in the vaccine. 2. Theres mercury in the vaccine, so smacking what? Its not the amount thats important its the state. I've said it a hundred times before and I'll say it until eventually you get it through that thick brain of yours. Thiomersal as an ethylmercury which clears with a half life of about 18 days in adults, which is significantly faster than methylmercury. But once again, I'll be told I'm drug-addled like the intellectual reject of society you are i_am_the_retard many blessings yes you are the retard by your own drug addled hand there is a certain level of retardation involved when you shoot drugs up like you do you are addicted and the first step is to admit that until then you are in denial of reality ... yes the reality that you shoot mercury into your arm with a side of squalene you are forgiven for being a self confessed drug addict namaste - : ) = A 2009 meta-analysis by researchers at Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics that was published in the journal Vaccine brought together data from 64 clinical trials of influenza vaccines with the squalene-containing adjuvant MF59 and compared them to the effects of vaccines with no adjuvant. The analysis reported that the adjuvanted vaccines were associated with slightly lower risks of chronic diseases, but that neither type of vaccines altered the rate of autoimmune diseases; the authors concluded that their data "supports the good safety profile associated with MF59-adjuvanted influenza vaccines and suggests there may be a clinical benefit over non-MF59-containing vaccines".[21]

" Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics " did the tests

your evidence is tarnished like the veins in your arm

this is inadmissable evidence for it is corrupted like your blood

are you strung out again ?

do you need another fix ?

this is forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M

Well if it was that flawed I am the light, you're welcome to study the same 64 clinical trials they did and work it out from there.

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M

Yep, peer-reviewed careful research on one hand. Youtube videos from South park on the other. Dickhead.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 2:23pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M Yep, peer-reviewed careful research on one hand. Youtube videos from South park on the other. Dickhead.

many blessings you are forgiven

as you are most likely strung out on account of your mercury addiction in which

you inject into your veins and bloodstream

carry on regardless yet you are on notice and exposed

as a drug addled strung out junky attempting to be clever

yet all you do is show your true self

as you continue to be cleansed of your afflictions here

does this comfort you ?

im interested in forgiveness

again look at this message posted here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M

with so very much love

namaste

- : ) =

Umm you do realise the writers of South Park were taking the piss out of the whole drugs are bad argument right

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

Umm you do realise the writers of South Park were taking the piss out of the whole drugs are bad argument right

many blessings

one may be surprised if you indeed deciphered that for yourself ,

it may be a cut and paste from a drug induced and addled stupor

this is forgiven so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 6:56pm: Umm you do realise the writers of South Park were taking the piss out of the whole drugs are bad argument right many blessings one may be surprised if you indeed deciphered that for yourself , it may be a cut and paste from a drug induced and addled stupor this is forgiven so be at peace namaste - : ) =

Gotta love that mercury and disease protection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M

Gotta love that mercury and disease protection

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

it may be a cut and paste from a drug induced and addled stupor

Master light --- I don't think it's fair for you to criticise others for cut and paste posts, is it? Take a quick look at your thread (it_is_the_light) and see all your copypasta.

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 9:32pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 7:25pm: it may be a cut and paste from a drug induced and addled stupor Master light --- I don't think it's fair for you to criticise others for cut and paste posts, is it? Take a quick look at your thread (it_is_the_light) and see all your copypasta.

many blessings ,

you announce to all and sundry

you do not think ,

freewill

namaste

- : ) =

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

Gotta love that mercury and disease protection

so you like shooting drugs up your arm ?

ok freewill

namaste

- : ) =

http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2014/12/9-reasons-that-you-should-avoid-the-flu-shot-2-2557204.html

9 Reasons That You Should Avoid The Flu Shot
Tuesday, December 2, 2014 7:38

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(NaturalHealth365) You’ve probably noticed the push from doctors every year for people to get the flu shot. This is a very bad idea. Flu vaccines contain a number of suspect and downright dangerous ingredients.

There is also very little evidence that they actually work. In fact, in 2010, PLoS Medicine published an analysis of Canadian epidemiological studies suggesting that people, who had received a seasonal influenza vaccine the year before the 2009 H1N1 swine flu pandemic, actually had an increased risk of being infected with the pandemic swine flu.

Looks like the flu shot does more harm than good

While everyone who gets a flu shot is at risk for negative side effects, the elderly and children are the most at risk, since they are the most immune-compromised among us. The Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine reported that children who got the flu shot had no difference in the incidence of flu than those who did not get it.

The American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine reports that there has been no difference in deaths from the flu and pneumonia among the elderly, even though there has been a 15 percent increase in vaccinations among the elderly from 1980 to the present. So, it is clear there is no need to get the flu shot, and plenty of reasons to avoid it.

9 widely unreported reasons why you should avoid the flu shot

1. Most flu vaccines contain mercury – a neurotoxic ingredient

The only exception is the FluMist spray vaccine, and even that one has its own, separate concerns (containing a laboratory-created virus being the chief one). Despite the assurances of health authorities that the level of the mercury-based preservative thimerosal in the flu vaccine is safe, there has never been any proven safe amount of this toxic substance for use in humans.

Ethically speaking, it’s beyond comprehension how any medical authority would support the use of this dangerous substance.

2. The flu vaccine can cause narcolepsy

Two recent studies from Finland directly implicate the flu vaccine in the development of narcolepsy in 800 children. What else would you expect from a substance that contains a known neurotoxin (mercury)?

3. You will shed the virus and give it to others

This is the main danger with the spray mist vaccine. Studies have shown that 80 percent of people who get the flu vaccine shed the virus for about 7 1/2 days after being vaccinated. Whether they get sick or not, they are contagious to others during this time.

4. The flu vaccine may not be right for this year’s flu

A new batch of flu vaccine is made every year. However, the companies that make it have to guess which strain of the flu will be going around that year and they make that year’s vaccine based on their guess.

If a different strain goes around, the vaccine will be completely ineffective, while still being toxic. Do you really want to take that chance with your health?

5. Flu vaccines actually promote stronger varieties of the flu

Studies have shown that the continued use of flu vaccines can cause the flu virus to mutate and become stronger and harder to treat. It’s the same thing that’s happening with the overuse of antibiotics.

6. Flu shots can cause Alzheimer’s disease

One recent study showed that those who got a flu vaccine shot for three to five years in a row were at a 10 times greater risk for developing Alzheimer’s than those who got fewer or no shots. The neurotoxins in the vaccine are once again a likely culprit in a devastating side effect of getting this shot.

7. The push to give flu vaccines is all about money, not health

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) is a 15-member panel responsible for deciding who should get the flu vaccine each year. Most of the panel members have financial investments in flu vaccine companies.

Naturally, the panel is increasingly recommending that everyone get vaccinated every year, and sometimes even more than once a year. The panel members make money with every shot. Can we really trust their ‘expert’ advice?

8. Flu shots increase the incidence of neonatal deaths

A 2012 study, by Dr. Gary Goldman, showed a 4,250 percent increase in the number of neonatal deaths that year. This was the same year that guidelines were released that recommended pregnant women get two flu shots.

9. Flu shots contain antibiotics

Flu vaccines contain a variety of antibiotics, even though the flu is caused by a virus. Getting a flu shot contributes to the overuse of antibiotics that is creating super-strains of bacteria.

The antibiotics in the shot also kill the beneficial bacteria in your body and make you more prone to getting ill during any ‘flu season‘.

Here’s the point: Conventional medicine is completely controlled by pharmaceutical interest. This means you will NEVER see them promote safer alternatives to the flu shot for disease prevention. Yet we know – a healthy (organic) diet; vitamin D/K2 and vitamin C supplementation; adequate rest and physical activity plus many other effective (natural) strategies can help you completely avoid the flu – without toxic drugs.

Ignorance is NOT bliss. Don’t ever take your health for granted and always make an informed decision.

References:
http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/why-you-should-not-get-the-flu-shot
http://vactruth.com/2013/02/01/8-damn-good-reasons

http://www.undergroundhealth.com/10-reasons-why-flu-shots-are-more-dangerous-than-the-flu

http://www.naturalnews.com/024624_flu_the_shot.html

Visit Natural Health 365 Here /

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 5:35am:

http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2014/12/9-reasons-that-you-should-avoid-the-flu-shot-2-2557204.html

What are the names of the two Finnish studies? They aren't listed in the references so I can't find them. The study showing Alzheimers, whats its name?

Dr Gary Goldmans study. Firstly, the 4,250 percent increase is a misuse of the mathematics. There were far more vaccinations in the year with the increased deaths, so you have to take in the incidence per million vaccinated.

His argument seems to be that using two vaccines were more dangerous than 1, but using the H1N1 vaccine alone caused more deaths than using both the H1N1 vaccine and TIV. That seems to suggest another possibility. Additionally as the author admits, its difficult to compare the 2009/2010 season with the years either side  because he couldnt ascertain the reporting completeness.


Additionally, VAERS never reports on causality.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 5:35am: http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2014/12/9-reasons-that-you-should-avoid-the-flu-shot-2-2557204.html What are the names of the two Finnish studies? They aren't listed in the references so I can't find them. The study showing Alzheimers, whats its name? Dr Gary Goldmans study. Firstly, the 4,250 percent increase is a misuse of the mathematics. There were far more vaccinations in the year with the increased deaths, so you have to take in the incidence per million vaccinated. His argument seems to be that using two vaccines were more dangerous than 1, but using the H1N1 vaccine alone caused more deaths than using both the H1N1 vaccine and TIV. That seems to suggest another possibility. Additionally as the author admits, its difficult to compare the 2009/2010 season with the years either side  because he couldnt ascertain the reporting completeness. Additionally, VAERS never reports on causality.

References:
http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/why-you-should-not-get-the-flu-shot
http://vactruth.com/2013/02/01/8-damn-good-reasons

http://www.undergroundhealth.com/10-reasons-why-flu-shots-are-more-dangerous-than-the-flu

http://www.naturalnews.com/024624_flu_the_shot.html

Visit Natural Health 365 Here /

Those are not references, they are web pages with no indications of where the studies come from. For all that, they may as well be made up, they have that little validity.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

Those are not references, they are web pages with no indications of where the studies come from. For all that, they may as well be made up, they have that little validity.

again you are incorrect .

http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/why-you-should-not-get-the-flu-shot


Quote:

Studies Consistently Show Flu Shots Don't Work Most notably, studies have consistently shown that flu shots simply don't work. For instance: The Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine has reported that giving young children flu shots appeared to have no impact on flu-related doctor visits or hospitalizations during two recent flu seasons. A large-scale, systematic review of 51 studies published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews found that the flu vaccine was no more effective for children than a placebo. And research published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine similarly reports that there has been no decrease in deaths from influenza and pneumonia, despite the fact that vaccination coverage among the elderly has increased from 15 percent in 1980 to 65 percent today.

http://vactruth.com/2013/02/01/8-damn-good-reasons



many blessings

it is established that you are drug addled

you are too close to be an informed voice on this thread

on account of you being severely drugged by vaccines ..

eyes yet do not see

forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

http://vactruth.com/2013/02/01/8-damn-good-reasons

8 Damn Good Reasons Not to Get the Flu Shot
Jeffry John AufderheideFebruary 1 2013

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Every year the mainstream media war drum beats for you to get vaccinated against the flu. They rarely discuss anything but the benefits of the vaccine.

Why?

Maybe it is because many people are already skeptical about the flu vaccine.

I’m going to be very up front with you here. You rarely hear about the adverse reactions or about the toxic chemicals being injected into you. My goal is to get you to investigate vaccines more closely. Here are eight reasons to question the flu shot.

Let’s begin…

REASON #1: NEUROTOXIC INGREDIENTS
A common urban myth is that the mercury has been taken out of vaccines. This is not true.

Several of the flu vaccines contain a neurotoxic ingredient called thimerosal (mercury). Each one of the flu vaccines listed below contains 25 micrograms of mercury. [1] The vaccines are:

Afluria CSL (Limited for Merck)
FluLaval (GlaxoSmithKline)
Fluvirin (Novartis)
Fluzone (Sanofi Pasteur)
Keep in mind you are being told conflicting stories.

After parents and scientists discovered that mercury was present in the vaccines, they had concerns about the substance causing neurological problems in children.

Organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Centers for Disease Control have told you mercury in the vaccines isn’t bad for us, but as a precaution, it will be taken out of the vaccines.

Now the same organizations are telling parents if mercury isn’t kept it in the vaccines, millions will suffer. Why? Removing the mercury from vaccines would cause a major disruption in the manufacturing and supply of vaccines.[2]

Much of the evidence on the toxicity of thimerosal was swept under the rug at a secret meeting held by the Centers for Disease Control in Simpsonwood, Georgia. I’d like to invite you to read a few quotes from the meeting. I think you will see why the Centers for Disease Control wants to keep the lid on thimerosal.

Here are three important quotes from the Simpsonwood Document:

“…the number of dose related relationships [between mercury and autism] are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.” – Dr. William Weil, American Academy of Pediatrics. Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000

“Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out at eight o’clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered a son by c-section. Our first male in the line of the next generation and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meanwhile I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines.” – Dr. Robert Johnson, Immunologist, University of Colorado, Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000

“But there is now the point at which the research results have to be handled, and even if this committee decides that there is no association and that information gets out, the work has been done and through the freedom of information that will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group. And I am very concerned about that as I suspect that it is already too late to do anything regardless of any professional body and what they say…My mandate as I sit here in this group is to make sure at the end of the day that 100,000,000 are immunized with DTP, Hepatitis B and if possible Hib, this year, next year and for many years to come, and that will have to be with thimerosal containing vaccines unless a miracle occurs and an alternative is found quickly and is tried and found to be safe.” – Dr. John Clements, World Health Organization, Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000 [3]

We at VacTruth encourage you to investigate what is being injected into your child.

REASON #2: 4250% INCREASE IN FETAL DEATHS REPORTED
Speaking of mercury being unsafe — if you’re pregnant, beware of doctors using aggressive fear tactics pushing you to get vaccinated. Here’s why…

On September 27, 2012, the Human and Environmental Toxicology Journal (HET) published a study by Dr. Gary Goldman reporting a 4,250 percent increase in the number of miscarriages and stillbirths reported to VAERS in the 2009/2010 flu season. [4]

That year the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) had recommended the double-dosing pregnant mothers with two flu shots spiked with mercury.

In his abstract, Goldman said:

“The aim of this study was to compare the number of inactivated-influenza vaccine–related spontaneous abortion and stillbirth (SB) reports in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database during three consecutive flu seasons beginning 2008/2009 and assess the relative fetal death reports associated with the two-vaccine 2009/2010 season.” [4]

How can injecting these filthy vaccines into pregnant mothers be remotely safe?

REASON #3: VACCINE-INDUCED NARCOLEPSY
Do you recall the vaccine-frenzied media telling us to get our flu shots during the H1N1 pandemic? What they didn’t tell you are the possible long-term side effects of those vaccines that are now being revealed.

Recent news about the flu vaccine suspects one of the experimental vaccines causing narcolepsy in about 800 European children. [5]

Specifically, two studies in Finland directly point the finger at the vaccine. [6, 7]

The conclusion of one study states:

“We observed a 17-fold increase in the annual incidence of narcolepsy in 2010 as compared to previous years in children aged under 17 years of age. A common feature in the history of our 54 newly diagnosed childhood narcoleptic patients was that 50 children had received an adjuvanted pandemic influenza vaccine (Pandemrix) within 8 months before the onset of symptoms. In most cases, the development of symptoms was fast. We consider it likely that Pandemrix vaccination contributed to the increased incidence of narcolepsy in Finland…” [7]

The children’s misfortune is they now have to deal with an illness that all but destroys their once normal life. Do you think the pharmaceutical companies will take any responsibility?



REASON #4: “THEY ARE PROTECTED” … FROM YOU!
I’m not sure about other countries, but in the United States, if your child is harmed by a vaccine, there is little action you can take legally.

The 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed was to protect pharmaceutical companies from anyone claiming a vaccine injured their child. Under this law, no parent can sue a vaccine manufacturer. [8]

If you decide to vaccinate your children, you do so at your own risk. No vaccine manufacturer is liable for your child’s vaccine-related injury or death from a recommended vaccine, regardless if the FDA or CDC helped get an untested flu vaccine approved.

REASON #5: IF YOU GET VACCINATED, YOU SHED THE VIRUS
If getting injected with neurotoxins or suffering from narcolepsy isn’t enough, expect to shed the flu virus and likely infect others if you decide to get the nasal spray vaccine.

Information from the Centers for Disease Control website indicates “that both children and adults vaccinated with live-attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV) can shed vaccine viruses after vaccination, although in lower amounts than occur typically with shedding of wild-type influenza viruses.” [9]

In one study of children in a daycare setting, 80% of vaccine recipients shed one or more virus strains for an average of 7.5 days. [9]



REASON #6: IF YOU GET THE FLU VACCINE, EXPECT TO GET THE FLU
This might be a shock to you – if you investigate the vaccine carefully enough, you’ll discover that getting vaccinated can actually predispose you to getting the flu!

One particular study surprised researchers when they discovered “a significant positive association between the seasonal influenza vaccine and lab confirmed H1N1 was observed.” [10]

As anecdotal evidence, you may or may not have seen what happened to television host Piers Morgan. If you didn’t, here is the condensed version.

Piers Morgan went on the Dr. Oz television show to get injected with the toxic flu vaccine in front of a live audience. Days later he came down with the flu. [11]

Did the flu vaccine cause him to get the flu? You can decide for yourself on this one.

REASON #7: EVERY YEAR THE EXPERTS GUESS
Do you know how the flu strain is picked to put into the vaccine every year? The “experts” guess.

Every year, the influenza viruses in the seasonal flu vaccine are selected through calculations about what flu viruses are most likely to cause illness in the coming season. The FDA, acting in concert with the CDC, decides what vaccine strains for influenza vaccines to be sold in the U.S. [12]

What happens if the virus mutates or the “experts” guess incorrectly? Please see Reason #1…



REASON #8: THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL’S RECIPE FOR GENERATING FEAR
Many people believe the Centers for Disease Control is beyond using propaganda ploys. You might get a different impression from the information I’m about to share with you. It may seem as if the CDC fears you into getting vaccinated, much like doctors do.

What do I mean and where is this recipe?

Some years ago, the associate director for communications for the national immunization program, Glen Nowak, made a presentation entitled Planning for the 2004-05 Influenza Vaccination Season: A Communication Situation Analysis.

I am going to include the entire “recipe” so you can see the complexity of the propaganda being regularly used on you to get vaccinated.

The slide on page 27 of the presentation reads:

http://vactruth.com/2013/02/01/8-damn-good-reasons

lets continue here unrebutted ..

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness/children_mercury.html

Mercury in childhood vaccines:
what did the government know?


By VALERI WILLIAMS / WFAA-TV DALLAS


For decades, half of all childhood vaccines contained a chemical preservative called Thimerosal.

It is made from mercury, one of the most poisonous substances on Earth.

News 8 has spent the past three months investigating claims that government regulators and some pharmaceutical companies knew of the dangers, but never told the public.

From the outset, it must be stressed that this report is not
anti-vaccination. Every person interviewed for this story believes in the importance of having children immunized. Rather, the focus is on the possible link between Thimerosal and neurological disorders.

Before the 1990s, 1 in 10,000 children were diagnosed with autism. But in the past decade, as the government has increased the number of mandatory vaccines, some recent studies suggest the rate of autism has risen to 1 in about 250 children.

Some say the cause may be mercury poisoning.

From the day that little Jac Counter was born in 1996, his proud parents
began documenting his progress with a video camera.

There was the first tooth, the first bowl of spaghetti, and the first steps.

But among all the precious images of their baby boy, there was another "first" that the Counters unknowingly recorded on video. And that, they say, was the beginning of Jac's descent into "mercury-induced autism." On one of the tapes, at 22 months, Jac verbalized playfully with his father.

Jac's parents say by the age of 4, however, he had lost all his verbal skills. Communication became a series of screams and tantrums. And there was other odd, compulsive behavior, like constant repetitive movements and licking many objects.

It was a urine test for 15 toxic metals that provided Joe and Theresa Counter with the first indication of what was wrong with their son.

The test showed that Jac's levels for arsenic, cadmium and nickel were normal or within an acceptable range. But as far as the results for mercury were concerned, the line goes off the chart.

Experts report that patients with mercury poisoning or autism share many of the same symptoms, including obsessive-compulsive behavior and loss of speech.

Jac's only possible encounter with sizable amounts of mercury, say the Counters, is through his vaccines.

"It's not that any one shot (did it)," father Joe Counter said. "The Thimerosal or the mercury in one of my son's vaccinations - well, he didn't get one shot, he got 30 shots or whatever, or however many he got. And it was the cumulative affect that, at some point, his body said, 'Stop it, I can't take this any more.' "

The Counters, who live in Plano, became the first family in the nation to file a lawsuit against pharmaceutical companies who put Thirmerosal in their vaccines.

Since last year, another 50 families with autistic children in 8 states have filed suit as well.

Medical files obtained by News 8 for at least five of the children show excessively high levels of mercury, just like Jac Counter.

So how much mercury are we talking about?

Approximately 12 out of the 18 vaccine doses the average American child receives before the age of two contain Thimerosal. Cumulatively, that's more than 200 micrograms of mercury, which would fit on the head of a pin.

According to the EPA, dropping that pin-head of mercury into 23 gallons of water would make it unsafe for human consumption. "Think about the idea of injecting your own child with levels of mercury that are thirty to forty times what's considered safe for an adult," Dallas attorney Andy Waters said. "And, I think if any human being thinks about that very long, they recognize that this is something that never should have happened."

Waters represents the Counters, as well as other families in the lawsuits. News 8 took some of his firm's research on Thimerosal to several top experts for their opinions.


Dr. Boyd Haley is the Chairman of the Chemistry Department at the University of Kentucky. He's one of the nation's leading experts on mercury poisoning and has studied Thimerosal in vaccines. Thimerosal "is one of the most toxic compounds I know of," Haley said. "I can't think of anything that I know of is more lethal."

Dr. Jane Siegel is a professor of pediatrics at UT Southwestern in Dallas. For the past five years, Siegel has sat on the government vaccine committee that decides which vaccines are mandatory for children.

"I believe there is no data thus far that's been looked at to prove that there's a connection - that there's a causitive relationship," Siegel said.

But just two years ago, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did conduct a study, which showed that three-month-old babies exposed to just 63 micrograms of mercury - less than half of the aforementioned pin top - were two-and-a-half times more likely to develop autism.

The study is stamped "Confidential" and "Do Not Copy or Release." Siegel says it was never made public because it was just a draft.

"Until they're final, and are ready for publication, they're always considered a draft, not to be widely distributed," Siegel said. "This preliminary information could be distributed, and that could do harm." So why was it marked 'Confidential, Do Not Release', rather than a simple 'Draft'?