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ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 10:56am:
The kicker is, that so-called +147,000 jobs number was later revised down to +14,000 once companies actually reported the numbers.  That first number was just an estimated forecast...


Sorry, I forgot about the second revisions, once even more data had come in back in September,

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US unemployment rate near 4-year high as labor market hits stall speed


Revisions to the establishment survey data also showed payrolls declined by 13,000 jobs in June, the first drop since December 2020, rather than rising by 14,000, as had been reported last month.

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That's the Trump effect.  Economists project a 147,000 job growth figure for June 2025, then once all the reporting is complete, Trump turns that around to 13,000 jobs lost.

And that's even with his yes in the role of BLS Commissioner.

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Reply #31 - Yesterday at 11:24am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 11:22am:
ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 10:56am:
The kicker is, that so-called +147,000 jobs number was later revised down to +14,000 once companies actually reported the numbers.  That first number was just an estimated forecast...


Sorry, I forgot about the second revisions, once even more data had come in back in September,

Quote:
US unemployment rate near 4-year high as labor market hits stall speed


Revisions to the establishment survey data also showed payrolls declined by 13,000 jobs in June, the first drop since December 2020, rather than rising by 14,000, as had been reported last month.

Link


That's the Trump effect.  Economists project a 147,000 job growth figure for June 2025, then once all the reporting is complete, Trump turns that around to 13,000 jobs lost.

And that's even with his yes in the role of BLS Commissioner.

Tired of winning yet?


If only the American people were warned.

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Reply #32 - Yesterday at 11:41am
 
Frank wrote Yesterday at 10:32am:
July 2025



The U.S. economy added 147,000 jobs last month, as employers shrugged off concerns that economic uncertainty and President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown would negatively affect growth.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/03/economy-jobs-powell-fed-trump-immigrati...

That's would be well over a MILLION jobs in a year.



Labor Statistics in US 2025 | Labor Wages Stats
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Labor in the US 2025
The United States labor market in 2025 continues to demonstrate resilience and stability, with key indicators showing steady employment growth and controlled unemployment rates. The current economic landscape reflects a mature labor market that has successfully navigated post-pandemic challenges while maintaining competitive wage growth across various sectors. Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 147,000 in June 2025, indicating sustained job creation momentum throughout the year, while the civilian labor force reached a record high of 170.7 million in January 2025.

The American workforce today encompasses millions of workers across diverse industries, from traditional manufacturing to emerging technology sectors. The unemployment rate stands at 4.1 percent as of June 2025, representing near-full employment conditions that economists consider healthy for sustainable economic growth. With 62.3 percent labor force participation rate and an employment-population ratio of 59.7 percent, the current workforce demonstrates strong engagement levels. This comprehensive analysis examines the latest government data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Census Bureau, and Department of Labor to provide accurate insights into the current state of labor statistics and wage trends shaping the American economy.

The record high labor force size of 170.7 million civilians reached in January 2025 marks a significant milestone in American workforce development, representing substantial growth from the pre-pandemic level of 164.6 million in February 2020. This expansion of approximately 2 million people annually in the labor force demonstrates the economy’s ability to absorb new workers while maintaining employment opportunities. The continuous growth pattern since 1960, interrupted only briefly by the pandemic, underscores the long-term strength and resilience of the American labor market in adapting to demographic and economic changes.
https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/united-states-labor-statistics/


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Reply #34 - Yesterday at 11:52am
 
Frank wrote Yesterday at 11:41am:
Frank wrote Yesterday at 10:32am:
July 2025



The U.S. economy added 147,000 jobs last month, as employers shrugged off concerns that economic uncertainty and President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown would negatively affect growth.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/03/economy-jobs-powell-fed-trump-immigrati...

That's would be well over a MILLION jobs in a year.



Labor Statistics in US 2025 | Labor Wages Stats
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Labor in the US 2025
The United States labor market in 2025 continues to demonstrate resilience and stability, with key indicators showing steady employment growth and controlled unemployment rates. The current economic landscape reflects a mature labor market that has successfully navigated post-pandemic challenges while maintaining competitive wage growth across various sectors. Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 147,000 in June 2025, indicating sustained job creation momentum throughout the year, while the civilian labor force reached a record high of 170.7 million in January 2025.

The American workforce today encompasses millions of workers across diverse industries, from traditional manufacturing to emerging technology sectors. The unemployment rate stands at 4.1 percent as of June 2025, representing near-full employment conditions that economists consider healthy for sustainable economic growth. With 62.3 percent labor force participation rate and an employment-population ratio of 59.7 percent, the current workforce demonstrates strong engagement levels. This comprehensive analysis examines the latest government data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Census Bureau, and Department of Labor to provide accurate insights into the current state of labor statistics and wage trends shaping the American economy.

The record high labor force size of 170.7 million civilians reached in January 2025 marks a significant milestone in American workforce development, representing substantial growth from the pre-pandemic level of 164.6 million in February 2020. This expansion of approximately 2 million people annually in the labor force demonstrates the economy’s ability to absorb new workers while maintaining employment opportunities. The continuous growth pattern since 1960, interrupted only briefly by the pandemic, underscores the long-term strength and resilience of the American labor market in adapting to demographic and economic changes.
https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/united-states-labor-statistics/


Repeating misinformation doesn't make it true.

The preposterous +147,000? Revised down to -13,000. That's right, a net job loss. But somehow, the spin doctors still trot out the "resilient labour market" nonsense.

And here's the kicker: that "record-high labour force" of 170.7 million? It counts anyone actively looking for work, whether they're actually employed or not. So even as the economy shed jobs, the numbers were dressed up to look like growth. It's a classic illusion, more people entering the market doesn't mean more people are actually working.

This is the pattern: distort the numbers, ignore revisions, and sell fairy tales. +147,000 becomes a talking point; -13,000 becomes a footnote nobody mentions. And in true Trumpian style, when reality hits, you fire the messenger, BLS Commissioner Erika McEntarfer, vindicated by the very figures you tried to spin.

So yes, the tariffs are biting, jobs are bleeding quietly, and the economic "resilience" you're touting is a house of cards. But by all means, keep waving your stats around as if they prove anything. Desperation, cognitive dissonance, and blind loyalty look so much better in bold headlines.
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Reply #35 - Yesterday at 1:04pm
 
In a nutshell, free-market capitalism is a ‘living system”[iii] within which entrepreneurs, innovators, and businesses jostle to develop and produce goods and services that they believe they will be able to sell at a profit. The market tells them starkly if they are right or wrong. The penalty for failure is steep enough that collectively, on the whole, there is a preponderance of good decisions, which brings the pattern of production and demand into rough alignment. Any serious misalignment can result in a recession, which the market will correct if left alone. Keynesian interference simply prolongs the required adjustments. So how can governments help to reduce the possibility of any serious misalignment and to correct the situation if it occurs? Two ways.

First, they can lessen regulatory burdens in order to allow entrepreneurs, innovators and businesses to make adjustments in the minimum of time at the minimum of cost. Second, they can reduce the financial burden imposed on producers (i.e., taxes) which hinders their ability to source affordable financial capital. This, you will agree, is not hard to understand. Fewer regulations and less tax tend to promote prosperity by facilitating business development. President Reagan had this view, as does President Trump. Economics qualifications not required, only common sense.

Achap I know cited the Brookings Institute and Forbes magazine. Apparently, they both found that no economic benefits flowed from Trump’s large corporate tax cuts in 2017. Now I haven’t looked into these findings. One has only so much time to chase every anti-Trump finding down its DTS burrow. I simply went to some official published data.

According to the Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis, real GDP per capita in America rose by an annual average 1.2% between Q4 2009 and Q4 2016 under President Obama. Under President Trump it rose by 1.6% between Q4 2017 and Q4 2018 and by a whopping 2.8% between Q4 2018 and Q4 2019 — before the Covid clown show hit. The black unemployment rate reached its lowest on record. Female unemployment reached its lowest rate since the early 1950s.

Now it is very difficult to untangle cause and effect in large complex systems; and the economy is certainly one of those. However, the data points to an economic upsurge after cuts to regulations and taxes. It is reasonable to think that the two are connected. Just imagine, fewer regulations and less tax benefit private enterprise. I suppose you might finagle artfully to find otherwise; provided, that is, that rascally Trump is the economics architect.

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Reply #36 - Yesterday at 2:36pm
 
China says exports to US down 28.6pc




China’s exports to the US plummeted last month, official data showed Monday, despite a tentative trade truce reached between the world’s two top economies in October, AFP reports.

Shipments to the United States totalled $33.8bn in November, China’s General Administration of Customs figures showed, down 28.6 per cent year-on-year.
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Reply #37 - Yesterday at 2:58pm
 
So you're just fingers in your ears yelling "LA LA LA LA LA"?

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Reply #38 - Yesterday at 2:59pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 2:58pm:
So you're just fingers in your ears yelling "LA LA LA LA LA"?



It's so Frank   Smiley
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Reply #39 - Yesterday at 8:24pm
 
In a nutshell, free-market capitalism is a living system.
Same as wild animals anywhere, the biggest baddest meanest one eats all the others.

If you want a system better than the rich getting richer and the poor being homeless, try a different system.
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Reply #40 - Yesterday at 9:11pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote Yesterday at 8:24pm:
In a nutshell, free-market capitalism is a living system.
Same as wild animals anywhere, the biggest baddest meanest one eats all the others.

If you want a system better than the rich getting richer and the poor being homeless, try a different system.

Vegan lions is the answer.
Classic loon wing.

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Reply #41 - Yesterday at 9:26pm
 
So you've posted some information that was proven to be wrong, you repost it and then keep on ignoring your mistake?

How MAGA.of you Frank.
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Reply #42 - Today at 11:20am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 9:26pm:
So you've posted some information that was proven to be wrong, you repost it and then keep on ignoring your mistake?

How MAGA.of you Frank.

Prover wrong? Where?
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Reply #43 - Today at 12:08pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 9:26pm:
So you've posted some information that was proven to be wrong, you repost it and then keep on ignoring your mistake?

How MAGA.of you Frank.


He's playing the BIG LIE. It's a well worn old boy tactic. Lie, rinse and repeat.

If you call him out on it, he calls you a liar. That's called LIAR LIAR. He then plays BUTTHURT VICTIM, saying how unfair you are for being intolerant of his alternative views.

Another trick is Vinnie Barbarino. That's where he plays dumb - what? Where? He plays this one right after you've proven him wrong, usually after he's posted a couple of meltdowns to cover his tracks.

Tendentious, mendacious, so unfair, what and where. Remember the strategy, Sad. You'll see it time and time again.
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China’s Trade Surplus Climbs Past $1 Trillion for First Time

President Trump’s tariffs weren’t enough to hold back the global export flood by China, which pushed past last year’s record in just 11 months.

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Tariffs imposed by President Trump on China have caused Chinese exports to the United States to drop by nearly a fifth. But China has throttled back its purchases of American soybeans and other products by almost the same rate, continuing to sell three times as much to the United States as it buys.


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