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freediver wrote Today at 9:34am:
This happened in the judeo-christian fringe of western civilisation, which had been largely taken over by Islam.

Israel didn't exist after the Romans smashed it. Europe persecuted the Jews. Ottomans didn't enter Europe until 1453, 200 years after Renaissance started, and only held the South east fringe (not in Rome, not in Britain).

'Muslim Spain acted as a crucial bridge, preserving and advancing Greco-Roman knowledge, which directly fueled the European Renaissance through scientific, mathematical, philosophical, and artistic contributions that later spread to the rest of Europe, establishing advanced schools, libraries, and a culture of intellectual exchange before its fall'.
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Reply #91 - Today at 11:35am
 
chimera wrote Today at 11:01am:
freediver wrote Today at 9:34am:
This happened in the judeo-christian fringe of western civilisation, which had been largely taken over by Islam.

Israel didn't exist after the Romans smashed it. Europe persecuted the Jews. Ottomans didn't enter Europe until 1453, 200 years after Renaissance started, and only held the South east fringe (not in Rome, not in Britain).

'Muslim Spain acted as a crucial bridge, preserving and advancing Greco-Roman knowledge, which directly fueled the European Renaissance through scientific, mathematical, philosophical, and artistic contributions that later spread to the rest of Europe, establishing advanced schools, libraries, and a culture of intellectual exchange before its fall'.



This is largely nonsense propagated by Muslims.

The translations, for example, were done by the conquered Jews and Christians who learned Arabic.
The conquering Arabs did not learn Greek or Latin.
The Muslims expelled from Spain did not go to Europe. The Jews did, mainly to Italy and Holland.
The great impetus for the Renaissance was the influx of fleeing Byzantines in the 15th century. They had all the Greek and Latin books.
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Reply #92 - Today at 11:53am
 
Europeans went to Spain because Muslims had texts translated, which were then available.
'Medieval Spain had Islamic centers of learning, like the Madrasa of Granada and in Toledo and Córdoba, which functioned as universities, fostering advanced studies in science, philosophy, medicine, and mathematics, attracting European scholars and transferring vast knowledge to the Latin West through translations, influencing early European universities like Salamanca.'

Western Europe was barbaric by contrast, in the 8th-10th centuries.
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Reply #93 - Today at 2:07pm
 
Since 10th century changes in Islam involve the rise of political Islam/Islamism, the global spread of Salafism, the rise of transnational jihadism (catalyzing global networks like Al-Qaeda and Islamic State).
West Europe went well for awhile to Renaissance after Dark Ages but fell to pit of self destructive WOKE ideology.
Hopefully both Islam and WOKE won't become cultural identity of Australia.
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Reply #94 - Today at 3:00pm
 
Australia has around 1.2 million camels across 37% of mainland Australia. These can easily breed enough for each family to survive AGW, bushfires and live in low-rental tents.
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Reply #95 - Today at 3:50pm
 
chimera wrote Today at 11:53am:
Europeans went to Spain because Muslims had texts translated, which were then available.
'Medieval Spain had Islamic centers of learning, like the Madrasa of Granada and in Toledo and Córdoba, which functioned as universities, fostering advanced studies in science, philosophy, medicine, and mathematics, attracting European scholars and transferring vast knowledge to the Latin West through translations, influencing early European universities like Salamanca.'

Western Europe was barbaric by contrast, in the 8th-10th centuries.



The Renaissance, Humanism, Scientific Revolution had nothing to do with Islam.
Petrarch, Boccaccio, Dante had nothing to do with the moors, nor Copernicus, Galileo or Bacon, nor Raphael, Leonardo or Bramante.
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Reply #96 - Today at 4:37pm
 
Correct. However Islam brought positive improvement in knowledge when French and Germans were battling pagans and Vikings were pillaging Britain.

'Knowledge is divided into religious sciences (Uloom al-Diyan) and worldly sciences (Uloom al-Abdan), with both being essential and encouraged. University of al-Qarawiyyin in Morocco of 859, is the world's first degree-awarding institution and oldest continuously operating higher educational institution, starting as a mosque and evolving into a state university in 1963'.
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