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Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb
Reply #45 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:19pm

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 11:16am:

lee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 11:14am:

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 8:49am:

Perhaps the Liberal party would have us believe in unicorns, and base their re-election strategy on it, until their critics can prove they do not exist.

So like you, they have no clue. That's all good.

I see you still haven't spelled out exactly what the minimum power generation shoulkd be. One must assume you think it is nothing. Wink

You do have a tendency to make it up when you don't know what you are talking about.

Would you also have us describe in great detail the features of the unicorns we do not think exist?

Hope your bike has mirrors? - you're back peddling so much.

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Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb
Reply #46 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:29pm

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:06pm:

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Do you mean pumped hydro?

Both. Even conventional hydro works well as a peaking supply. The installed capacity in generally higher than the available flow.

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Which by the way is not cheap.

Tasmania has the cheapest electricity in Australia, thanks to their hydro stations. We are going to build a second and probably third connection to the mainland so we can take advantage of that.

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The cost & time in building/delivering of Snowy2 has already blown out massively.

Just like all your renewables BS has.

Wind and solar are cheaper than nuclear by a factor of about 3, and the gap keeps widening. Thanks to this, Australians will probably be getting several hours of free power per day soon.

Whilst there is adequate water supply. There have been times of drought in Tasmania that have seen the hydro capacity reduced & state importing from the national grid. The water storage is also used for civilian supply.

Free power? Grin

Pumped hydro is far more expensive that conventional hydro.

Oh & TASMANIA does not have the cheapest electricity.

It's average 3 monthly electricity bill is the same as Victoria & QLD @ the average electricity bill for every three months ranges between $300 and $350.

https://connectmarket.com.au/state-by-state-comparison-of-average-electricity-bi...

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Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb
Reply #47 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:32pm

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:15pm:

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What having baseload power means is having reliable supply that can handle peak demands without brown or black outs.

Thanks for shifting the goal posts again. But your definition is no less circular than Lee's attempt to define the minimum required power as whatever "it" needs.

Can you tell us what "peak demand" is?

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Batteries can not & will never do that

They can quite easily, but they won't do it alone, nor will they need to. We already have plenty of hydro, gas peaking etc. And people are already using the batteries in electric vehicles to get power when there is a blackout for the most common reason - storms. So the transition has already started to improve the reliability of supply.

Morning & afternoon peaks when the biggest draw on supply occurs.

You must again be deliberately being obtuse.

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Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb
Reply #48 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:36pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:23pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

The consequence being that those who spruik it cannot even say what it is.

And those that think not, cannot mount a case for that. Wink

you are the one citing baseload, it's up to you to show it, not up to others to show that it doesn't exist.

Imagine applying that to any argument. I can claim aliens exist and then demand others prove there are no aliens Cheesy

Yes it is if they say it doesn't exist. You hypocrite.

Up to you to prove it exists first ya dumbarse since that was the original claim

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19708 Gender:	Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb Reply #49 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 1:19pm freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 11:28am: it is an entirely meaningless concept, born of economic illiteracy and Liberal part echo chambers. So it is meaningless. Therefore we don't need it. Got it.
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LNP never again Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 1863 Gender:	Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb Reply #50 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 7:25pm Has your power gone out with the exception of a mother nature event ?
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Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb
Reply #51 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 7:49pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:23pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

The consequence being that those who spruik it cannot even say what it is.

And those that think not, cannot mount a case for that. Wink

you are the one citing baseload, it's up to you to show it, not up to others to show that it doesn't exist.

Imagine applying that to any argument. I can claim aliens exist and then demand others prove there are no aliens Cheesy

Yes it is if they say it doesn't exist. You hypocrite.

Up to you to prove it exists first ya dumbarse since that was the original claim

No it's not dickhead. Major industry requires better supply than wind , solar & batteries.

So do huge metropolitan populations.

Give yourself an uppercut you complete phukwit.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 32339 Gender:	Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb Reply #52 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 7:51pm LNP never again wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 7:25pm: Has your power gone out with the exception of a mother nature event ? Yes it happens often. failed infrastructure, i.e. transformers blowing, damage by vehicle, truck etc etc. Come out from under that lefty rock you live under.
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LNP never again Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 1863 Gender:	Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb Reply #53 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 8:17pm Little Gonads sounds awfully hot and bothered this evening
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Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb
Reply #54 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 10:01pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 7:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:23pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

The consequence being that those who spruik it cannot even say what it is.

And those that think not, cannot mount a case for that. Wink

you are the one citing baseload, it's up to you to show it, not up to others to show that it doesn't exist.

Imagine applying that to any argument. I can claim aliens exist and then demand others prove there are no aliens Cheesy

Yes it is if they say it doesn't exist. You hypocrite.

Up to you to prove it exists first ya dumbarse since that was the original claim

No it's not dickhead. Major industry requires better supply than wind , solar & batteries.

So due huge metropolitan populations.

Give yourself an uppercut you complete phukwit.

No one said they didn't dumbarse. Try to stop moving goalposts Cheesy

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78210 Gender:	Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb Reply #55 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 10:01pm LNP never again wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 8:17pm: Little Gonads sounds awfully hot and bothered this evening You would be too if you were as dumb as he is
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Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb
Reply #57 - Yesterday at 9:09am

John Smith wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 10:01pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 7:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:23pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

The consequence being that those who spruik it cannot even say what it is.

And those that think not, cannot mount a case for that. Wink

you are the one citing baseload, it's up to you to show it, not up to others to show that it doesn't exist.

Imagine applying that to any argument. I can claim aliens exist and then demand others prove there are no aliens Cheesy

Yes it is if they say it doesn't exist. You hypocrite.

Up to you to prove it exists first ya dumbarse since that was the original claim

No it's not dickhead. Major industry requires better supply than wind , solar & batteries.

So due huge metropolitan populations.

Give yourself an uppercut you complete phukwit.

No one said they didn't dumbarse. Try to stop moving goalposts Cheesy

Stop lying.

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Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb
Reply #58 - Yesterday at 10:56am

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 9:09am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 10:01pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 7:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:23pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

The consequence being that those who spruik it cannot even say what it is.

And those that think not, cannot mount a case for that. Wink

you are the one citing baseload, it's up to you to show it, not up to others to show that it doesn't exist.

Imagine applying that to any argument. I can claim aliens exist and then demand others prove there are no aliens Cheesy

Yes it is if they say it doesn't exist. You hypocrite.

Up to you to prove it exists first ya dumbarse since that was the original claim

No it's not dickhead. Major industry requires better supply than wind , solar & batteries.

So due huge metropolitan populations.

Give yourself an uppercut you complete phukwit.

No one said they didn't dumbarse. Try to stop moving goalposts Cheesy

Stop lying.

run away and hide Cheesy

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Re: The Coalition's Coal Power Gamble Budget Bomb
Reply #59 - Yesterday at 12:59pm

John Smith wrote Yesterday at 10:56am:

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 9:09am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 10:01pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 7:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 12:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 3:23pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 30^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

The consequence being that those who spruik it cannot even say what it is.

And those that think not, cannot mount a case for that. Wink

you are the one citing baseload, it's up to you to show it, not up to others to show that it doesn't exist.

Imagine applying that to any argument. I can claim aliens exist and then demand others prove there are no aliens Cheesy

Yes it is if they say it doesn't exist. You hypocrite.

Up to you to prove it exists first ya dumbarse since that was the original claim

No it's not dickhead. Major industry requires better supply than wind , solar & batteries.

So due huge metropolitan populations.

Give yourself an uppercut you complete phukwit.

No one said they didn't dumbarse. Try to stop moving goalposts Cheesy

Stop lying.

run away and hide Cheesy

Why? do you think you're frightening?

You're frighteningly stupid.

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