Gee. Citizens of the so-called 'democracies' of the west are being spoonfed lies from Media propagandists like BBC UK, ABC Australia, CNN, NBC America. Along with oppressive Leftism narratives of Political Correctness imprisonments and falsifying histories via Cancel Culture agendas.
I'm sure the citizens of Taiwan prefer salvation from the mainlanders than being sexually abused by LGBTQ Democrats trying to come in from behind.

Yes. Of course.
Especially a Democracy based upon the ruins of an Athenian past like an indigenous past of European politics that is a dead end.

Great Britain could 'let go'.  (Hong Kong)
But Democrat USA seems it can't... just like Korea and Vietnam.

You know exactly that Taiwan is just another potential Korea & Vietnam with USA's MEDDLING in Asia.
USA is not the UN for starters.
They would be wiser to deny Democrat meddling, using Taiwan to undermine Xi and leaving the issue to the 'chinese' of Taiwan and the mainland to sort out. It might turn out for the better you know.

Is Taiwan UN member?

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I am not suggesting we meddle with anything Jasin. I am suggesting no-one meddle with Taiwan. Somehow flipping that into its opposite makes me think you have swallowed the communist handbook. Do you realise that Taiwan is a separate, independent country to China? A better analogy would be the US "interfering" to make Australia a separate country from Indonesia, or Germany a separate country from France.

Jasin wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 3:12pm:


The Chinese of Taiwan don't want to be part of mainland China.

That's why they're still there.

It's the same as the Chinese of Hong Kong.... they didn't want to be re-absorbed back into the CCP run Chinese mainland.

But the Brits relinquished them back & they had no say.

Any opposition was quickly squashed by CCP stooges & storm troopers.

MHO - phuk the CCP dictatorial Govt.

Jasin wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 5:43pm:



As for Communism? It's only failure is that it is compromised by Northern Hemisphere politics in general?

Wow JaSin - you are awfully close to being on the cultural Marxist list.   

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'Mainland China' ???

Did you mean West Taiwan ?

That authoritarian FASCIST state ?

Britain was a Drug Cartel in Hong Kong.
Nothing more.
But hey. Great Britain hasn't done well in Asia or Africa now.

Jasin wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 5:43pm:




Bobby. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 5:56pm:




WWW search....



Google.......AI Overview

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kU6mdn74 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 6:38pm:



No - they came from Pacific islands like Fiji, Tonga  etc -
there are 100s of small islands.

Jasin wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 5:53pm:


Newsflash Jasin. Taiwan is independent, whether you pump it or not. The CCP does not control it. The only thing I am pumping is the avoidance of WWIII over petty Chinese imperialism.

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Did you miss the part about the 100 million Chinese people killed by the CCP? I challenge you to name a single regime that has killed more people than the regime you want foisted upon the Taiwanese. The CCP regime is worse than the holocaust. Worse even than the Russian communists.

freediver wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 7:32pm:


Point 1: Taiwanese independence from the mainland is only icing, not the cake and that icing is just a political difference with the Taiwanese difference being not so long ago as the same as was on the mainland.
You can just have the icing. I'll enjoy the cake.

Point 2: You are correct. 100 million lives lost. Is it still the highest in regards to percentage of population at the time in comparison to other nations or people?
Maybe they should have had some Black people to manage their lands and prevent a famine. Seems yellow people are only good at cities.

Despite the political incompetence of the CCP  or even the ROC (or even archaic Western politics based on Rome & Athens) to prevent such death.
I say, let them both reunite in a more peaceful assimilation rather than the Korea/Vietnam type confliction, both of which caused a lot of death too and a repeated scenario which the American Democrats/Media pushed towards during the Biden term.
Why must the Taiwan/Mainland issue go down that path? It wasn't good for Vietnam or Korea - many died needlessly.
Why not take the more peaceful path untried? Who knows, it might work out for the better and Taiwan ROC might cause change in mainland CCP  more than you think? It might even bring an end to the CCP itself?

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A lot of it was deliberate. The CCP are mass murderers, not just incompetent managers.

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Why? Are you assuming the only options are violent or peaceful unification? You do realise that the people of Taiwan don't actually want to be part of China right? Especially if it means the loss of democracy and all their rights. How exactly do you expect to achieve a "peaceful assimilation"? And why do you want it in the first place?

Do you realise that China would do a far better job at maintaining peace by not trying to "assimilate" the Taiwanese?

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You are the only one insisting on it. But if China does try to force itself on Taiwan, violence is inevitable, for the same reason that we would fight against any dictatorship that tried to destroy our freedoms and democracy.

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They give them more money. But money can't buy you love.

Are you saying that to avoid war, China should occupy Taiwan so that the Taiwanese democrats can overthrow the CCP?

...let Gollum CCP have his 'preciousss' Taiwan... in the end.
The West needs to let it go.

**evil laugh 😈

freediver wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 12:02pm:


Vast majority?

Yet:

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/26/g-s1-79704/taiwanese-voters-reject-a-bid-to-remov...

26 July 2025 — The independence-leaning ruling Democratic Progressive Party won the last presidential election, but the China-friendly Nationalists (KMT) and the Taiwan Workers Party won the recent 'recall elections':

Taiwanese voters rejected a DPP bid to oust about one-fifth of lawmakers, all from the opposition Nationalist Party, in a recall election Saturday, dampening hopes for the ruling party to flip the balance of power in the self-ruled island's legislature.

The independence-leaning ruling Democratic Progressive Party won last year's presidential election, but the China-friendly Nationalists, also known as the KMT, and the smaller Taiwan People's Party have enough seats to form a majority bloc.

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You can see why the pro-independence DPP 'freedom or death' morons want to get rid of the more pragmatic members of parliament who want peace with the mainland and therefore don't support  'Taiwan independence'.

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Says the narrative from another 'freedom - or death'! ideologue who won't do the dying (hopefully...) when the DPP tries to assert it's "freedom", ie, independence from the mainland. 

Meanwhile most mainlanders  are horrified by the fake 'freedom' of  blind-leading-the-blind 'democracy',  after seeing the Capitol riots in the US. 

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Said 'independence' not recognised by the UN? You are confused.

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Resulting in a sovereignty stalemate, so long as the US supports the DPP goons, on ideological grounds. 

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No.

Political systems are really only confused systems resulting from dysfunctional economic systems ("it's the economy, stupid"); hence the political chaos in most democracies around the world today. 

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..ie, as seen by 'freedom or death''/survival of the fittest/free-market ideologues. 

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Hey....congratulations: an intelligent comment at last; indeed  "the CCP is internally democratic", and appreciated by the vast majority of mainlanders (c.90%, according to a Harvard poll) who in fact have a favourable opnion of their central government,  unlike the view of the electors in democracies who are split into numerous contending interests, and forced to elect unstable governments despised by more than half the population, eg Labor only gained 30% of the primary vote in the last election, yet it's governing with a huge majority in the HoR.     

TGD,
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Dear TGD,
are you now or have you ever been a member of the CCP?

Jasin wrote on Nov 20^th, 2025 at 4:25pm:



My problem is with mass uncontrolled immigration.

they just let anyone in -
even people with no qualifications that
go straight on to the dole.
They invited 3rd world no hopers here that no other country would accept.

And let's be reasonable. The USA can NOT protect or even save Taiwan.

Black Maths will rule the likes of China.
Pushing aside White Politics like a tax write-off.

Many tourists and YouTuber travellers go to China.
It isn't as strict or controlling as people think.
Better than going to Russia, Turkmenistan or other countries in Africa and other regions. A lot safer than the USA.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20^th, 2025 at 4:28pm:


If the Americans said they wanted to peacefully unify China and Taiwan into one democratic country, with the current Taiwanese government as the interim managers, and the CCP consigned to the dustbin of history where they belong, would you also describe them as being "China-friendly"?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20^th, 2025 at 5:25pm:



Communism was never about making everyone equal -
those at the top of the communist pyramid are outrageously rich -
a bit like capitalism.

Commies would steal all houses then give the best ones to the top party officials.

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2025 at 10:30pm:

Gawd you are a bloody ijit.

The Soviet Union had elections.So does Cuba, North Korea, Iran.  So they must be democracies, eh??


How deep does your moronic streak go?
All the way down.

Lenin's Communism was designed 'for the people' as are Re-Publics.
In other words, political power in the control and management of the people at large. But as always, Politics in the northern hemisphere always falls into a minority population of people over the non political mass.
I only know of South America where the Workers owning a factory or business and are in overall power that employ management's to run them administrative. Sunrise in Australia is ruled by the Farmers, not the Admin or factory workers.
So the intention of Communism and other Northern Hemisphere political styles is there, but fail to achieve this.
Even USA politics. With the majority of population being of the Art world. The minority populating Political has to buy it's votes and voting is not mandatory. We saw the Democrats spend triple of what Trump Republicans did and they bought the Media to blockade any Trump promo let alone attack Trump. In essence, not everyone voting also makes the American system flawed.

Australia has the best system. Not just because it is the Windsor system. But because everyone, political or not - has to take responsibility and vote.
Alas, for northern Communism, Democracies, etc. They always fall into minority power and these tend to over-achiever into absolutism of just negating or corrupting the vote aspect of being of any real importance.

I guess this is where Australia comes into the global picture of where the bottom of the pyramid hold the political power for the first time in history. Communism could succeed here, as well as a true Republic etc.

Yes. And Gillard nearly forced Australians to vote again because she didn't like a Hung Parliament AS VOTED BY THE PEOPLE. She nearly crossed that line.

freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2025 at 9:03pm:


Oh no: another FD question based on his democratic "freedom" ideology, which is sure to result in more GIGO....but let's read on.... 

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That's a 'novel' scenario: the US is as committed to delusional democratic "freedom" as you and the DPP are, while US democracy itself displays the worst level of hyper-partisanship in the world...but let's read on:

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Good try FD - and thanks for the laugh; GIGO takes some wonderful turns at times  .

There are a number of ways of answering that question...

eg 'yes,

or

'no'.

But I'll be generous and answer a more straight-foward version of your question:

"If the Americans said they wanted to peacefully unify China and Taiwan, would you also describe (the non-DPP majority on Taiwan) as being "China-friendly"?.

No, if the US could achieve unification peacefully. 

Yes: if the US can't achieve unification peacefully.

But you are (absurdly) positing the US CAN achieve unification peacefully.

Only the non-DPP majority on Taiwan can convince the mainlanders to adopt delusional 'democratic "freedom" ideology, peacefully. 

Whereas the DPP are relying on the US to enforce Taiwan's permanent separation from China, with a view to UN membership.

But if the US crawls back into its hole when faced by a more powerful PLA, it's game over for the "freedom or death" DPP fools on the island.

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2025 at 11:46am:


Yes; if the US butts out,  the PLA can enforce an embargo on the island, cripple its economy and  starve it into submission without heavy loss of life or property.

But the CCP want peaceful reunification, and they are building  the  people to people contacts to achieve it, despite DPP hindering such contacts.

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Warned that if you dare attack the PLA in the Taiwan Straits, you will be a legitimate target wherever you are.

Times have changed since WW2 when Germany - too late to win - invented rockets.

Nowadays, anywhere on the globe is a (near instantaneous) target - a capacity  possessed by both the Pentagon and the PLA.

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In 2015, Taiwan's per capita GDP was 2.8 times that of China. In 2025, it is 2.5 times as high. Are you saying that in a decade, China might catch up to where Taiwan was a decade ago?

On top of that, China has a much larger and more severe income disparity than Taiwan.

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And I pointed out already that this is just another example of you mimicking the CCP's capacity for self delusion. The party you described as being China-friendly is the one that wants Taiwan to take over China and turn it into a modern, wealthy democracy. It takes a particular devotion to lying to yourself to turn that around and decide the Taiwanese want the Chinese to starve them out, slaughter them, and turn the place into another Chinese shithole. Even worse, to convince yourself that the support will grow as China starves and kills them.

The CCP's propaganda simply does not work in nations that allow their people to think for themselves.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21^st, 2025 at 12:43pm:


So when you said China would catch up to "the islanders" in a decade, you meant first world democracies, not Taiwan?

Did you mean China would "catch up" because they would be blockading and starving them out within a decade?

What does India have to do with it? Do you simply fall back on India every time you are proven to be lying about the CCP's economic performance?

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And I posted the link to actual serveys of the actual opinions of actual Tainwanese people, not a little pink's delusions about the CCP's grandeur.

If you "keep abreast" how is it that you decided that a party that wants to overthrow the CCP and set up a modern wealthy democracy in China is Taiwan's "China friendly" party, and that the votes they get are proof that Taiwanese people are in favour of the CCP starving them, slaughtering them, then imposing their economic mismanagement on them?

Why do you call the first world democracies "the islanders"?

Watched Cycle around Taiwan with Linda Huang and her nice arse in Lycra. It was on NHK Japan. It looked all Chinese to me.

Going by the American Democrats during Bidenism, Taiwan was a colony of Americanism.

Millions have died because of Americanism.

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2025 at 8:20am:


I meant both.
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Now this IS interesting: perhaps Trump will see he CAN prevent a war with China over Taiwan, in contrast to the Ukraine war which he claims he would have prevented if he had been president in 2022....

(SCMP)

Xi, Trump hold rare call as Taiwan tensions flare after Japan’s warning
Chinese President Xi Jinping and the US President Donald Trump had a phone conversation on Taiwan and Ukraine issues on Monday, according to the official Chinese news agency Xinhua.


“Our relationship with China is extremely strong!” Trump said on social media following the Monday morning call, a follow-up to their “highly successful” meeting in South Korea on October 30.

“Since then, there has been significant progress on both sides in keeping our agreements current and accurate. Now we can set our sights on the big picture.”

Trump added that he will host Xi for a state visit in the United States later in 2026 following his April trip to the Chinese capital.

“We agreed that it is important that we communicate often, which I look forward to doing,” Trump added, citing Monday’s “very good” call with Xi that covered Ukraine, Russia, fentanyl, soybeans and other farm products.

“We have done a good, and very important, deal for our Great Farmers – and it will only get better,” the American president added with his characteristic bravado.

The telephone call follows a series of fast-changing geopolitical developments in recent weeks.

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Trump realizes he needs to maintain trade with China; hopefully he will understand China's claims to Taiwan, after the island's return to China in 1945 upon Japan's defeat in WW2.  The change of the Chinese government from ROC to PRC in 1949 doesn't change that reality - unless Trump decides  to go to war with China....

A choice he CAN make, because he IS president...   i

So when will the war start?
In my estimation 2027-2030 inclusively.

Europe is not rock but WOKE Sodom while Asia have to stop America from reaping them off that's why your fantasy is just that, a fantasy.

Jasin wrote on Nov 25^th, 2025 at 4:54pm:


And the reality is islamo comie shame like yesterday Senate session 

Islam is not fallen, it is relocating itself to the WOKE West spreading like weeds in garden, yet the West is still barking up the wrong tree because of stupidity of it's WOKE ideology 

Jasin wrote on Nov 25^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:


Who is this Aussie?


I told you that you would know the identity of kU6mdn74 

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2025 at 1:27pm:


Yes, meaning the Chinese economy, as a 'developed economy' (ie, reaching '1st world' per capita income)  will be far and away the largest in the world. 

And as for war, many islanders are already rejecting Lai's war preparations (he's the insane 'freedom or death' ideologue leading the DPP and seeking 'Taiwan independence'.

(Global Times)

Several civic groups in Taiwan island held a rally outside the "Legislative Yuan" on Friday to denounce regional leader Lai Ching-te for pushing a $40 billion special arms-purchase budget and proposing to raise defense spending to 5 percent of GDP, slamming that such moves would recklessly drag Taiwan toward the battlefield and destruction.

Participants at Friday's event chanted slogans such as "Oppose 'Taiwan independence' and the provocations that endanger Taiwan," "Sky-high arms purchases betray the people," and "Stop 'Taiwan independence' to save Taiwan; stop arms purchases to protect livelihoods." Three youth representatives later delivered a statement to the "Legislative Yuan," according to a statement sent to the Global Times by Wang Wu-lang, secretary-general of the Labor Party.

Meanwhile Trump phoned the insane war-loving witch in Japan to tone down her rhetoric; he wants to win the Nobel Peace Prize.

While Lai is supported in Oz by the insane 'freedom or death' ASPI goon Malcolm Davis on the ABC last week urging the Oz government to increase military spending - while homelessness, child poverty and youth crime in Oz are increasing - to prevent reunification of Taiwan with the mainland, as existed in 1945 after Japan's defeat. 

Deplorable.   



 

freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:27pm:


I meant what I said  both times, ie

1. the Chinese economy, as a 'developed economy' (ie, reaching '1st world' per capita income)....

and - which is the same thing:

2.   over a billion people on the mainland will have a per capita income as high as the islanders.

Now back to your absurd Taiwan's right to exist argument:

It already exists; and since 1945 it has been part of China, just as it was under the Qing dynasty before the Japanese occupation 1895-1945.

freediver wrote Yesterday at 5:04pm:


You are confused, hence your ridiculous question: "each",  not "every", having the same per capita income.  

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I didn't say it was.

I did say delusional 'freedom or death' morons - by seeking or supporting Taiwan's independence, as Lai is doing - thereby ignoring the UN's widely-recognized 'One China' principle - will plunge the world into war. 

Well the Australian government's seem to have supported the CCP.
We've even given them the resources to build its military war machine and still do so.
Says a lot about Australians compared to Communism.
At least Communism isn't WEAK.