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Re: Is Australia a Crypto-Republic?
Reply #15 - Nov 9^th, 2025 at 6:53pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 6:50pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 2:40pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 1:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:16am:

With the Whitlam government's ending of the British honours system in Australia, the Australia Act of 1986 ending the last vestiges of Australia's legislative and governance subordination to Britain, the Head of State defined as the Queen/King of Australia (as opposed to the UK), 'the Crown' subtlely redefined as 'the Crown of Australia'...

With all authority completely vested in Australian-only institutions and governance, what part of a republic are we not already governed by?

Right now?!
Australia is a Leftism country of American Media isms and narratives

In American terms, Australia's politically conservative right would be considered leftist... Labor is considered extreme left, if not communist, by American standards.

Nonsense.

Like the son of Pakistan, you are stuck, mentally, in the 60s.
Sclerotic old farts.

Why do you bother smearing your opinion all over a politics forum

Why do you?

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Re: Is Australia a Crypto-Republic?
Reply #16 - Nov 9^th, 2025 at 7:46pm

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 6:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 6:50pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 2:40pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 1:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:16am:

With the Whitlam government's ending of the British honours system in Australia, the Australia Act of 1986 ending the last vestiges of Australia's legislative and governance subordination to Britain, the Head of State defined as the Queen/King of Australia (as opposed to the UK), 'the Crown' subtlely redefined as 'the Crown of Australia'...

With all authority completely vested in Australian-only institutions and governance, what part of a republic are we not already governed by?

Right now?!
Australia is a Leftism country of American Media isms and narratives

In American terms, Australia's politically conservative right would be considered leftist... Labor is considered extreme left, if not communist, by American standards.

Nonsense.

Like the son of Pakistan, you are stuck, mentally, in the 60s.
Sclerotic old farts.

Why do you bother smearing your opinion all over a politics forum

Why do you?

Aww, you're playing that game, eh, Agatha Frank (they/them)... regressing to childhood, then.

I know what I'm talking about... Like the twitterc~nt you are, you post here to burn off some of your psychic aggression.

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Re: Is Australia a Crypto-Republic?
Reply #17 - Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 7:46pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 6:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 6:50pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 6:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 2:40pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 1:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:16am:

With the Whitlam government's ending of the British honours system in Australia, the Australia Act of 1986 ending the last vestiges of Australia's legislative and governance subordination to Britain, the Head of State defined as the Queen/King of Australia (as opposed to the UK), 'the Crown' subtlely redefined as 'the Crown of Australia'...

With all authority completely vested in Australian-only institutions and governance, what part of a republic are we not already governed by?

Right now?!
Australia is a Leftism country of American Media isms and narratives

In American terms, Australia's politically conservative right would be considered leftist... Labor is considered extreme left, if not communist, by American standards.

Nonsense.

Like the son of Pakistan, you are stuck, mentally, in the 60s.
Sclerotic old farts.

Why do you bother smearing your opinion all over a politics forum

Why do you?

Aww, you're playing that game, eh, Agatha Frank (they/them)... regressing to childhood, then.

I know what I'm talking about... Like the twitterc~nt you are, you post here to burn off some of your psychic aggression.

You are silly and childish.

Do you know Sad Teapot? You two have very similar personalities. Intensely prickly and not even shallow.
You aren't from Meanjin ( Grin

) too, by any chance?

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Re: Is Australia a Crypto-Republic?
Reply #18 - Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:29pm

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:02pm:

You are silly and childish.

Do you know Sad Teapot? You two have very similar personalities. Intensely prickly and not even shallow.
You aren't from Meanjin ( Grin

) too, by any chance?

Agatha Frank (they/them), you know what you are and why you post.

Apart from projecting bitchery, you know nothing of Australia, nothing of its politics, nothing of world politics... whatever your role before you were removed from your job, it wasn't teaching.

How is it you don't know about American attitudes towards Australian politics, yet post anyway? Do you post to real politics boards?

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Reply #19 - Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:34pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:02pm:

You are silly and childish.

Do you know Sad Teapot? You two have very similar personalities. Intensely prickly and not even shallow.
You aren't from Meanjin ( Grin

) too, by any chance?

Agatha Frank (they/them), you know what you are and why you post.

Apart from projecting bitchery, you know nothing of Australia, nothing of world politics... whatever your role before you were removed from your job, it wasn't teaching.

How is it you don't know about American attitudes towards Australian politics, yet post anyway? Do you post to real politics boards?

:

Silly little puffed up 'mystic'. YOU know 330 milĺion Americans' attitudes to Australian politics??

How self-conceited and Bwwiyasnesque can you be?!??

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Reply #20 - Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:49pm

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:02pm:

You are silly and childish.

Do you know Sad Teapot? You two have very similar personalities. Intensely prickly and not even shallow.
You aren't from Meanjin ( Grin

) too, by any chance?

Agatha Frank (they/them), you know what you are and why you post.

Apart from projecting bitchery, you know nothing of Australia, nothing of world politics... whatever your role before you were removed from your job, it wasn't teaching.

How is it you don't know about American attitudes towards Australian politics, yet post anyway? Do you post to real politics boards?

:

Silly little puffed up 'mystic'. YOU know 330 milĺion Americans' attitudes to Australian politics??

How self-conceited and Bwwiyasnesque can you be?!??

You mean like you know 'the Muslim mind, the Aboriginal mind, the Australian mind...

You're a bitchy cross-dressing immigrant, Agatha Frank (they/them), not much else.

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Re: Is Australia a Crypto-Republic?
Reply #21 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 6:09am

For those of us who know what they're talking about, regarding American political sensibilities as opposed to Australia's (our politically conservative right being considered American leftist... Labor being considered extreme left, if not communist, by American standards), the likes of a Zohran Mamdani or a Bernie Sanders would not be out of place in the Australian (or British) leftist political landscape... i.e. Both Mamdani and Sanders are like American Gough Whitlams, or Harold Wilsons, not Staln or Mao.

America's 'shock horror' that New Yorkers have elected a communist arises from the American conflation of the terms communist, socialist and democratic socialist... they generally do not distinguish the three and their political history, at least since the spectre of Stalinism and Maoism entered into their national psyche, blinds them to any nuance.

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Reply #22 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 6:16am

Mamdani's promises to New Yorkers would not be exceptional, nor even unusual, in Australia if they came from the mouth of an Australian (or British) Labor Prime Minister.

Freeze rents
Free city buses
Universal free childcare
Build 200,000 affordable homes
Raise the minimum wage to $30/hour
Create a Department of Community Safety
Tax the wealthy and corporations to fund programs

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Reply #23 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 7:19am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 6:16am:

Mamdani's promises to New Yorkers would not be exceptional, nor even unusual, in Australia if they came from the mouth of an Australian (or British) Labor Prime Minister.

Freeze rents
Free city buses
Universal free childcare
Build 200,000 affordable homes
Raise the minimum wage to $30/hour
Create a Department of Community Safety
Tax the wealthy and corporations to fund programs

In fact, Mamdani's promises are modest, conservative, even, compared to what Whitlam promised and delivered

Medibank
The Trade Practices Act
Cutting tariff protections
No-fault divorce in the Family Law Act,
The Australia Council,
The Federal Court,
The Order of Australia,
Federal legal aid,
The Racial Discrimination Act,
Needs-based school funding,
The recognition of China,
The abolition of conscription,
The law reform commission,
Student financial assistance,
The Heritage Commission,
Nondiscriminatory immigration rules,
Community health clinics,
Aboriginal land rights,
Paid maternity leave for public servants,
Lowering the minimum voting age to 18 years
Fair electoral boundaries
Senate representation for the territories.

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Reply #24 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 7:27am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:49pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:29pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 9^th, 2025 at 9:02pm:

You are silly and childish.

Do you know Sad Teapot? You two have very similar personalities. Intensely prickly and not even shallow.
You aren't from Meanjin ( Grin

) too, by any chance?

Agatha Frank (they/them), you know what you are and why you post.

Apart from projecting bitchery, you know nothing of Australia, nothing of world politics... whatever your role before you were removed from your job, it wasn't teaching.

How is it you don't know about American attitudes towards Australian politics, yet post anyway? Do you post to real politics boards?

:

Silly little puffed up 'mystic'. YOU know 330 milĺion Americans' attitudes to Australian politics??

How self-conceited and Bwwiyasnesque can you be?!??

You mean like you know 'the Muslim mind, the Aboriginal mind, the Australian mind...

You're a bitchy cross-dressing immigrant, Agatha Frank (they/them), not much else.

Silly attempt at equivalence and analogy again.

You know Muslims by their creed, words and actions. You cannot know anything about Americans' attitude towards Australian politics, other than indifference, given that they have no unified creed and dont talk about Australia.

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Reply #25 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 8:05am

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 7:27am:

You cannot know anything about Americans' attitude towards Australian politics, other than indifference, given that they have no unified creed and dont talk about Australia.

So, you've never listened to, or engaged with, American, British, or Australian political commentators when they discuss American attitudes towards Australian (or British) politics relative to those of Americans, then.

Of course you didn't.. If you didn't pull it out of your arse, you don't comprehend it.

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Reply #26 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 8:16am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 8:05am:

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 7:27am:

You cannot know anything about Americans' attitude towards Australian politics, other than indifference, given that they have no unified creed and dont talk about Australia.

So, you've never listened to, or engaged with, American, British, or Australian political commentators when they discuss American attitudes towards Australian (or British) politics relative to those of Americans, then.

Of course you didn't.. If you didn't pull it out of your arse, you don't comprehend it.

When discussing the Australian political landscape relative to the US, these commentators are unanimous in their agreement that, when presented with what passes for Australian (or British) mainstream conservatism, Americans recognise it as American leftism/liberalism. When presented with what passes for Australian (or British) mainstream liberalism, Americans equate it with communism or socialism.

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Reply #27 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 8:21am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 8:05am:

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 7:27am:

You cannot know anything about Americans' attitude towards Australian politics, other than indifference, given that they have no unified creed and dont talk about Australia.

So, you've never listened to, or engaged with, American, British, or Australian political commentators when they discuss American attitudes towards Australian (or British) politics relative to those of Americans, then.

Of course you didn't.. If you didn't pull it out of your arse, you don't comprehend it.

So political commentators speak for entire countries. They speak for a unified American view of Australian politics, shared by Trump, Kackela, Mamdani, Bidden, Sharpton and Vance, Darlene, Buck and Chuck.

Got it. Homogeneity is their strength.

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Reply #28 - Nov 10^th, 2025 at 8:40am

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 8:21am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 8:05am:

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2025 at 7:27am:

You cannot know anything about Americans' attitude towards Australian politics, other than indifference, given that they have no unified creed and dont talk about Australia.

So, you've never listened to, or engaged with, American, British, or Australian political commentators when they discuss American attitudes towards Australian (or British) politics relative to those of Americans, then.

Of course you didn't.. If you didn't pull it out of your arse, you don't comprehend it.

So political commentators speak for entire countries. They speak for a unified American view of Australian politics, shared by Trump, Kackela, Mamdani, Bidden, Sharpton and Vance, Darlene, Buck and Chuck.

Got it. Homogeneity is their strength.

They speak for a little bit more than what you are, Agatha Frank (they/them).

They know what they're talking about, nearly all having had experience in the Australian, British and American political worlds, and who have interviewed senior political figures and political academics from all 3 countries.

The most glaringly obvious to Americans is that Australian mainstream conservatism supports:

universal healthcare,
tight gun laws,
publicly funded education and media,
environmental regulation, and
pragmatic, secular governance

These are all leftist/liberal American platforms

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