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Bobby.

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Reply #15 - Oct 30^th, 2025 at 6:11pm

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 5:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

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They then fail to invest in the necessary need to maintain the power plants they own.

They are spending a fortune, pushing them beyond their nominal design life. The problem is underinvestment in new infrastructure, a result of the regulatory uncertainty over the last few decades. No-one wants to build a new coal fired power station, because everyone expects stricter regulations just around the corner, but they never actually come.

It's all about Govt mismanagement.
A new coal fired power station should have been built in every State
and used as a resource when renewables fail and risk blackouts or brownouts.
They could have used low emission anthracite coal from the QLD Bowen Basin.
The Govt. could own them - not for sale -
owned by - we the people - for our energy security
and part of our national security in what should be a 1st world country.

Coal is the next most expensive energy technology after nuclear. It gets even more expensive if you only use it intermittently. That is part of the reason our existing coal fired stations are struggling with maintenance issues - they were not designed to be ramped up and down as much as they are now.

So what is your solution for blackouts or brownouts? Undecided

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Reply #16 - Oct 30^th, 2025 at 6:38pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 5:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

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They then fail to invest in the necessary need to maintain the power plants they own.

They are spending a fortune, pushing them beyond their nominal design life. The problem is underinvestment in new infrastructure, a result of the regulatory uncertainty over the last few decades. No-one wants to build a new coal fired power station, because everyone expects stricter regulations just around the corner, but they never actually come.

It's all about Govt mismanagement.
A new coal fired power station should have been built in every State
and used as a resource when renewables fail and risk blackouts or brownouts.
They could have used low emission anthracite coal from the QLD Bowen Basin.
The Govt. could own them - not for sale -
owned by - we the people - for our energy security
and part of our national security in what should be a 1st world country.

Coal is the next most expensive energy technology after nuclear. It gets even more expensive if you only use it intermittently. That is part of the reason our existing coal fired stations are struggling with maintenance issues - they were not designed to be ramped up and down as much as they are now.

So what is your solution for blackouts or brownouts? Undecided

From the government? Legislative clarity and consistency. We should have stuck with the carbon tax.

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Reply #17 - Oct 30^th, 2025 at 6:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 5:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

Quote:

They then fail to invest in the necessary need to maintain the power plants they own.

They are spending a fortune, pushing them beyond their nominal design life. The problem is underinvestment in new infrastructure, a result of the regulatory uncertainty over the last few decades. No-one wants to build a new coal fired power station, because everyone expects stricter regulations just around the corner, but they never actually come.

It's all about Govt mismanagement.
A new coal fired power station should have been built in every State
and used as a resource when renewables fail and risk blackouts or brownouts.
They could have used low emission anthracite coal from the QLD Bowen Basin.
The Govt. could own them - not for sale -
owned by - we the people - for our energy security
and part of our national security in what should be a 1st world country.

Coal is the next most expensive energy technology after nuclear. It gets even more expensive if you only use it intermittently. That is part of the reason our existing coal fired stations are struggling with maintenance issues - they were not designed to be ramped up and down as much as they are now.

So what is your solution for blackouts or brownouts? Undecided

Why do we have to worry about blackouts and burnouts?

It’s not ( any longer ) a public service it’s a private for profit industry.

If the private company cannot provide the service then they should lose the right to provide the service and the government can sell it off again to a new private company that believes they can.

This whole corporate welfare system in Australia is simply bizarre.

Why not just keep the power plants in public ownership and just give these overseas companies money?

It might work out cheaper for the taxpayers?

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I don’t care about Australians who are living in poverty or their businesses have gone bankrupt or those working hard and still struggling to survive.

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That’s fair more important!

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Reply #18 - Oct 30^th, 2025 at 7:00pm

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 5:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

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They then fail to invest in the necessary need to maintain the power plants they own.

They are spending a fortune, pushing them beyond their nominal design life. The problem is underinvestment in new infrastructure, a result of the regulatory uncertainty over the last few decades. No-one wants to build a new coal fired power station, because everyone expects stricter regulations just around the corner, but they never actually come.

It's all about Govt mismanagement.
A new coal fired power station should have been built in every State
and used as a resource when renewables fail and risk blackouts or brownouts.
They could have used low emission anthracite coal from the QLD Bowen Basin.
The Govt. could own them - not for sale -
owned by - we the people - for our energy security
and part of our national security in what should be a 1st world country.

Coal is the next most expensive energy technology after nuclear. It gets even more expensive if you only use it intermittently. That is part of the reason our existing coal fired stations are struggling with maintenance issues - they were not designed to be ramped up and down as much as they are now.

Coal is the cheapest, far cheaper than wind and solar. In fact coal is not even comparable to wind and solar because wind and solar cannot even compete with coal. Wind and solar are only viable if they are backed up by coal or gas. So to even have wind or solar the first thing you need to build is a coal or gas to provide the gaps in wind and solar.

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Reply #19 - Oct 30^th, 2025 at 7:11pm

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 5:23pm:

Coal is the next most expensive energy technology after nuclear. It gets even more expensive if you only use it intermittently. That is part of the reason our existing coal fired stations are struggling with maintenance issues - they were not designed to be ramped up and down as much as they are now.

This is idiotic.

The entire industrial revolution of the 17-18th centuries was built on coal and the 19-20th centurs on coal, oil and gas.

They had wind, wood and hydro before already, for transport, industry, heat, lightingh but they decided, morons, as they all were pre-Greta, to go for something much, much more expensive, right?? They were all morons, they knew nuffin' except how to develop exponentially.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51808 At my desk.	Re: You white people Reply #20 - Oct 30^th, 2025 at 7:14pm Quote: The entire industrial revolution of the 17-18th centuries Welcome to the 21st century Frank.
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 54598 Gender:	Re: You white people Reply #21 - Oct 30^th, 2025 at 7:23pm freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 7:14pm: Quote: The entire industrial revolution of the 17-18th centuries Welcome to the 21st century Frank. That you gweggy? Or is gweggy just your post editor, fd? You are picking up bad habits: https://youtube.com/shorts/X-kKflukav4?si=yYDEQZXF6XsIgFZV
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Daves2017 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 2699 Gender:	Re: You white people Reply #22 - Oct 30^th, 2025 at 7:32pm Can just one discussion/ debate stay on topic without unnecessary personal insults? Surely we can all agree that the Linda Thorpe has single handed destroy any potential credibility that the greens had once under Bob Brown? They brought the clown to the circus
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Reply #23 - Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:26am

Daves2017 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2025 at 6:54pm:

Why do we have to worry about blackouts and burnouts?

It’s not ( any longer ) a public service it’s a private for profit industry.

If the private company cannot provide the service then they should lose the right to provide the service and the government can sell it off again to a new private company that believes they can.

This whole corporate welfare system in Australia is simply bizarre.

Why not just keep the power plants in public ownership and just give these overseas companies money?

It might work out cheaper for the taxpayers?

Well if the sun is blocked by thick clouds for many days in a dark winter,
solar panels won't produce much power,
and there's no wind for wind turbines, no water stored in a hydro reservoir,
or an important transmission line is down,
large battery storage only lasts a few hours,
then we could be without power.
What will we do?
Most hospitals and places like airports have diesel generators
that can go as long as diesel is supplied.
Did you know that petrol stations can't pump diesel or petrol
without electricity?

A low emission coal power plant could save the power grid.

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Reply #24 - Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:28am

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or an important transmission line is down

If an important transmission line goes down, a more distributed system with battery backup will handle it better than the current system.

Already many people are benefitting from having large car or wall-mounted batteries to power their home appliances when there is a blackout caused by a storm etc.

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Reply #25 - Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:32am

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:28am:

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or an important transmission line is down

If an important transmission line goes down, a more distributed system with battery backup will handle it better than the current system.

Already many people are benefitting from having large car or wall-mounted batteries to power their home appliances when there is a blackout caused by a storm etc.

So you think we'll be OK with only non base load power?

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Reply #26 - Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:47am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:32am:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:28am:

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or an important transmission line is down

If an important transmission line goes down, a more distributed system with battery backup will handle it better than the current system.

Already many people are benefitting from having large car or wall-mounted batteries to power their home appliances when there is a blackout caused by a storm etc.

So you think we'll be OK with only non base load power?

No Bobby. I think the government should provide more legislative clarity and impose a carbon tax. I think market forces should be left to decide how to handle reliability. A large part of that involves all consumers being exposed to the fluctuating spot price of electricity. It might not be a vote winner, but this will do far more to manage reliability issues than massive government-funded infrastructure. We have plenty of options to choose from - conventional batteries, pumped hydro, gas peaking, conventional hydro etc. Snowy II and the grid connection to Tasmania will be a big help.

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Reply #27 - Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:57am

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:32am:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:28am:

Quote:

or an important transmission line is down

If an important transmission line goes down, a more distributed system with battery backup will handle it better than the current system.

Already many people are benefitting from having large car or wall-mounted batteries to power their home appliances when there is a blackout caused by a storm etc.

So you think we'll be OK with only non base load power?

No Bobby. I think the government should provide more legislative clarity and impose a carbon tax. I think market forces should be left to decide how to handle reliability. A large part of that involves all consumers being exposed to the fluctuating spot price of electricity. It might not be a vote winner, but this will do far more to manage reliability issues than massive government-funded infrastructure. We have plenty of options to choose from - conventional batteries, pumped hydro, gas peaking, conventional hydro etc. Snowy II and the grid connection to Tasmania will be a big help.

Take you blinkers off FD, industry can't run on a few solar panels, yes your house can but that is a small part of supply.

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Reply #28 - Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:58am

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:32am:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:28am:

Quote:

or an important transmission line is down

If an important transmission line goes down, a more distributed system with battery backup will handle it better than the current system.

Already many people are benefitting from having large car or wall-mounted batteries to power their home appliances when there is a blackout caused by a storm etc.

So you think we'll be OK with only non base load power?

No Bobby. I think the government should provide more legislative clarity and impose a carbon tax. I think market forces should be left to decide how to handle reliability. A large part of that involves all consumers being exposed to the fluctuating spot price of electricity. It might not be a vote winner, but this will do far more to manage reliability issues than massive government-funded infrastructure. We have plenty of options to choose from - conventional batteries, pumped hydro, gas peaking, conventional hydro etc. Snowy II and the grid connection to Tasmania will be a big help.

I think it's too late now -
they are closing down coal fired power stations.
Many have already closed here in Victoria.
Our population has increased creating more demand.
It's only a matter of time till we have massive brown outs and blackouts.
Victoria and many other States are like a house of cards waiting to collapse.

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Reply #29 - Oct 31^st, 2025 at 8:21am

Leroy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:57am:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:32am:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 7:28am:

Quote:

or an important transmission line is down

If an important transmission line goes down, a more distributed system with battery backup will handle it better than the current system.

Already many people are benefitting from having large car or wall-mounted batteries to power their home appliances when there is a blackout caused by a storm etc.

So you think we'll be OK with only non base load power?

No Bobby. I think the government should provide more legislative clarity and impose a carbon tax. I think market forces should be left to decide how to handle reliability. A large part of that involves all consumers being exposed to the fluctuating spot price of electricity. It might not be a vote winner, but this will do far more to manage reliability issues than massive government-funded infrastructure. We have plenty of options to choose from - conventional batteries, pumped hydro, gas peaking, conventional hydro etc. Snowy II and the grid connection to Tasmania will be a big help.

Take you blinkers off FD, industry can't run on a few solar panels, yes your house can but that is a small part of supply.

Perhaps we need more than "a few" then?

Are you attempting to make a rational argument here Leroy?

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